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This looks cool, but why is metal sonic destroying badniks?

For kicks, most likely.--Akamia(Talk)(Want to see what I've been doing?) 12:13, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

kicks? sonic icon 04:40, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, kicks. As in personal enjoyment.--Akamia(Talk)(Want to see what I've been doing?) 06:53, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Oh... I knew that sonic icon 07:38, April 7, 2012 (UTC)


this game is pretty obviosly a hoax:

1. unrealistic cover

2. reuses levels from episode 1

3. same physics engine as episode 1

4. unrealistic concept in genaral. and what is wrong with existing, huh? all hail G-corp! 16:40, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Um, it was in a trailer... Ken Balough confirmed it from his own mouth. Knuckleschaotix 16:42, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

How do you explain the official trailer that confirms it then? Myself 123 16:44, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Super Metal

This probably won't happen, but what if he could turn into Super Metal? That would be cool, and strange. XD Time Biter "The Rift" 18:43, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Even then, proving Super Metal in Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode II

"Even without wings, I can still fly!" -Sonic the Hedgehog

3 or 4 Extra Stages

The extra stages could be the stages from Episode II, not "NEW!" stages, but we will have to wait to find out. Pacmansonic138 01:42, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, these "NEW" stages are one zone from Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 1. Bummer.

Proof? Don’t mess with the dubstep. Or you get the claws. 15:41, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

The full game was leaked, it's just four acts. Very misleading. Myself 123 15:58, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Bad Future

They've messed up here, the cutscene shows Metal being revived in the bad future, assuming that the good endings to each game are the canon endings, Metal should be in the good fututre of Stardust Speedway. In fact, why did they even need to make it the same Metal Sonic? Coulldn't he just have been a rebuilt model? Myself 123 16:12, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

They probably did that to make it sound cool and intense. I mean, the idea of the original Metal Sonic coming back to get revenge on Sonic sounds pretty cool and would make me want to buy the game (even though I can't). Lightning the Hedgehog

Maybe Eggman is lazy with outright rebuilding one-of-a-kind robots. Anyway, I like the original Metal Sonic coming back for revenge thing. As for the little error with the Bad Future... I'm even more puzzled about this than you are.--Akamia(Talk)(Want to see what I've been doing?) 09:08, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well if the Bad Future was restored to the Good Future, then how did Metal Sonic race with Sonic at all?

You still fight bosses in Sonic CD, even if you make a good future. Myself 123 16:10, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

No, Metal Sonic raced with Sonic in the BAD Future not the Good Future, and more proof, Eggman is taking over Little Planet again, so there you go, Bad Future again.

No, if you destroy the robot generators in both rounds, or collect all the time stones, you make a good future, so the Metal Sonic can be fought in the good future. Myself 123 16:27, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe, since the Bad Future was in Sonic Generations, SEGA put it in there since it might be a little more well known to new Sonic players. Lightning the Hedgehog

All the bosses are the same whether you get the Good or Bad Future in Sonic CD. That includes Metal Sonic.

As for the bad future appearing at all... What if Sonic CD is the one time in Sonic history where the good ending did not really happen? Or at least, Sonic did not get all the generators/Time Stones when he hit his race against Metal Sonic, but got the last one in Metallic Madness?--Akamia(Talk)(Want to see what I've been doing?) 06:10, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

That doesn't work. The Bad Ending can't be canon as Eggman died in it. Getting all Time Stones turns all bad futures into good futures, so even if Sonic had obtained that last one in Metallic Madness, SS's future should have changed. And if Sonic had destroyed the robot teleporters in all areas but Stardust Speedway, that wouldn't have caused the good ending, as ALL areas must have good futures. - 17:48, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
Eggman never died in the first place. Sonic chucks a rock at his Eggmobile in all endings, and Boom. He appears again in Sonic 3. Serious Sam Minigun icon Heavy 17:52, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

How is this a main console game? Dr. Eggman rox 2 YO PIE GOOD!

I think it's simular to how Sonic & Knuckles is to Sonic 3.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 17:30, May 19, 2012 (UTC)


I fail to see how downloading both episodes of Sonic 4 to get a special extra episode is similar to Sonic & Knuckles' lock-on technology. The lock-on tech merged sonic 3 and sonic and knuckles together, whilst this just gives you a special story exclusive to Metal Sonic, allowing to reply the ep 1 levels and four unique levels. I can't see any comparisons there. Myself 123 01:17, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

There is a small comparison with Knuckles in Sonic 2. There were no bonus levels for that, though.--Akamia(Talk)(Want to see what I've been doing?) 13:26, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

That's probably a more complete digital way of lock-on.OrbAdventures (talk) 06:45, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Classic Metal Sonic

Is he in the game? I mean he must be if he raced Classic Sonic, lost and then much later Dr. Eggman who is now modern goes over to wake Classic Metal Sonic, takes him to Mad Gear Zone and upgrades him to be Modern Metal Sonic.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 20:03, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

No, it's just modern, seeing as it's just a redesign, all the old designs are not canon I think, with Sonic Generations being pure nostalgia. Myself 123 17:37, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

I guess. it makes kind of a contradiction in a sense if Classic Sonic was how Modern Sonic looked when he was litually younger and Classic Eggman was simply a change of wardrobe. I don't see why not Sonic Team release a "Classic models DLC" for the games. But my guess the reason Sonic Team will not do it is because it be more of a hassle than it looks.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 17:39, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

I guess, I also think they want to got back to his old design, Generations being the exception. Myself 123 17:51, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

I am not 100% on this but I think Sonic Team is planning a third redesign for Sonic and his friends for the next era of Sonic games. I myself have ideas for how Sonic could look for my game which is Modern Sonic slightly classic like.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 18:01, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

I have heard that Takashi Iizuka has plans for a new Sonic, it's not clear what he's planning, only he's planning something. I do find it an odd decision, as Sonic games are currently doing really well. Myself 123 18:06, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

I hope what he has in mind is simular to my ideas for how Sonic cna look. When I was planning Ultimate Sonic I had some friends saying I should make the characters classic instead of modern. While I favoured the modern characters I wanted to do classic because of the various motions Classic Sonic can do as an anime/cartoon character (Sonic CD cinematics, movie and Man of the Year) and wanted them in my game. However as this game was planned since the Dreamcast era now I want Modern Sonic in my game but still with the movement and abilities of Classic Sonic. So I decided to design my own version of Sonic. I haven't drawn pictures yet but pretty much a slightly more cartoon version of Modern Sonic so that he may behave more like his Classic self.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 18:15, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

what platforms doesthis work on?


Perhaps - and this is just a theory, mind you - but when Metal Sonic was damaged in Sonic CD, what we see in when he falls in Episode Metal's Stardust Speedway is his damaged form. It just so happens that it matches Sonic's current growth and has a closer resemblance to "Modern Sonic", so there was no need to correct it. It's a silly coincidence, but that's just my interpretation (and sillier things have happened in this series, like the storylines of Sonic Labyrinth and Sonic Blast)... That, or you can go with the other theory that the classic designs were simply an art style change and not representative of a time skip, but I think Sonic Generations made that idea much less popular now. LinkTheLefty (talk) 20:02, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

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