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Relation to Shadow[]

Shadow was created by Professor Gerald Robotnik, Grandfather of Doctor Eggman. So surely Shadow should be added to the 'Family' section as (Technically) Adoptive Uncle? Gerald even addresses him as son, and Eggman is listed as family on Shadow's page, along with the Professor, Maria, and even Eggman Nega.Magicisgreat (talk) 20:21, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Seems like more of a problem on Shadow's page than this one. -- Supermorff (talk) 22:38, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

True Name[]

Apparently his original name was kintobor. Shouldn't it be that?

Dr Sphere (talk) 02:31, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

That's a different continuity. This is the Dr.Eggman of the video games continuity and his original name is Ivo Robotnik.OrbAdventures (talk) 09:02, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Bowser is in fact friends with Eggman in the Mario & Sonic Series...in fact, ALL the Mario characters are friends with the Sonic characters in the series, can someone edit all the Sonic character pages and add the fact that all the Mario characters are friends and at the same time rivals in the Mario & Sonic games just like Knuckles the Idiot..and yes I am a huge fan of the Great Clement on youtube.  (David Bear (talk) 02:44, April 26, 2013 (UTC))

As much as I'd love a serious crossover, it should probably be best if the Mario characters are listed less than personal from the Sonic characters in the main sense. Besides, I think it would be more epic if Bowser and Eggman eventually double-crossed each other.--Mike Gilbert 02:30, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Title quote[]

Which game is the title quote from? If someone says its Sonic Adventure, he actually says 'Silence! I am Dr. Robotnik, the most cunning scientific genius in the world!' I am Mystic Orb, the overlord of all! (talk page) 11:24, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sonic Boom info[]

I got some new tidbits on a cutscene from sonic boom, unless somehow a part of this cutscene is what I plan speaking. Apparently the thing used to control the deadly six was a conch shell-like item that irritated the deadly six, in which was soon kicked away by sonic, causing the six to turn against eggman, ensuing in complete chaos of laser beams. Also eggman bribed them with a giant sandwich, that aside, I hope this info helps ;) Tails6000 (Feel the power, of TOASTY!) 04:05, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Omochao unused Line[]

It says in unused Omocaho lines the Docotrs moustache is fake, should this be included in the trivia?I like pie, you know why? It's pie flavored (talk) 00:41, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Quotes from client in Sonic Heroes[]

We know that Team Chaotix's client happens to be Doctor Eggman in Sonic Heroes and I'm wanting to add some of his quotes. Can I add them on this page or does it have to be in another article about the client himself? Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am? What do you want? What do I do? 08:03, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

Where is Sonic Shuffle?[]

There is no sub-heading info. regarding Eggman's involvement in Sonic Shuffle.Profgawhite678 01:41, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe because Eggman didn't appear in Sonic Shuffle (as much as I can recall)? Mystic Orb (TP.CO.EC) 01:43, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
I think he did appear, if there's no section on that game, just write one. Myself 123 01:46, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Why these games not listed?[]

Where is the headings for his involvement in Sonic CD (which was the first game to feature Amy and Metal Sonic so it should be notable, plus it's between both Sonic 4 episodes), Sonic Chaos, Sonic Triple Trouble, and the Sonic Advance series?

Also I could be wrong but isn't the order like Riders, Rush, 06, Rivals, Unleashed? Yet this one says 06, Rush, Unleashed, Riders, Rivals. Sonic 1-Shadow and Colors-Lost World are as I wrote them down (based on what Sonic's page said at the time), is there a definite timeline order for those five or it is up to us to decide like some of the Mario games? Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 01:30, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

There's also Chronicles.--Mike Gilbert 02:26, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Eyes among other things.[]

I just thought I'd asked for a reminder where that blue eyes info comes from and if we should continue where most of the archive stuff left off. Like the possible fortune and questionable legality.--Mike Gilbert 02:39, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Cut scenes from Sonic 2006 show him from the side, you can see his eyes. -- Supermorff (talk) 08:51, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

How many good deeds has eggman accually done?[]

He is the main antagonist of the entire franchise, but he has also done some good stuff as well, So, has anyone made a list of his heroic deeds?

I don't know if it's necessary. He mostly does good for his own self-interests.--Mike Gilbert 23:36, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

New Japanese Voice Actor?[]

It is confirmed that Motomu Kiyokawa (Blazblue Continuum Shift II's Valkenhayn R. Hellsing, Hellsing's Walter C. Dornez) That he's Dr. Eggman's JP VA. (Not sure about Nega but might be the same.)

Edit: They reused Ohtsuka's Voice: https://i.imgur.com/q4zwWJ7.png


SonikkuAensland (talk) 21:49, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Eggman's blood type[]

So you nay have noticed that bios for Japanese characters tend to list their blood type among the facts and statistics. After looking into it, I discovered that in Japan there is a "Blood type personality theory" in which people believe a person's bloodtype affects their personality, much like astrology's star signs. While this is widely considered superstition, blood types are still given in character bios as a way to give the reader a quick and breif description of the character. You may be wondering why I'm saying all this and it's because Eggman is no exception. Sonic Channel's bio for Eggman lists his blood type and is notably the only to have this listed. Eggman's blood type is listed as Type B which, according to Wikipedia's article, means that he's "passionate, active, doer, creative, strong, irresponsible, unforgiving, and 'going own way.'" Considering that blood types are used to describe character in Japanese culture, I think the character traits associated with Type B blood should be mentioned on the page. Myself 123 18:32, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

Definitely. At least in the Trivia section.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 18:40, November 22, 2016 (UTC)
That's understandable, I was thinking that should be added to the personality section, but I don't know enough about this theory to know if the personality traits associated with blood types are absolute or a give and take. Myself 123 19:13, November 22, 2016 (UTC)
Interesting indeed! Luma.dash (talk) 09:59, November 23, 2016 (UTC)

Equipment[]

In Sonic 06, his sunglasses are a highly advanced technological piece that allowed him to trace the Chaos Emeralds' signals across the distorted world. So, does not that make it an equipment that should be mentioned on his Powers and abilities section? It appeared in one game, but I think it should be mentioned as it is an accessory.--Luma.dash (talk) 14:28, July 1, 2017 (UTC)

I don't see why not.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 16:04, July 1, 2017 (UTC)

Eggman's theme[]

RE: that one part in the trivia section: where in Forces is his '06 theme used? I don't recall hearing it at any point when watching playthroughs and such. Windyhillzone (talk) 07:28, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

Doctor versus Dr.[]

This page has been using "Doctor" and "Dr." interchangeably, disregarding what the cited sources actually say. For example, the article previously said that the US Sonic 1 manual called him "Doctor Ivo Robotnik", which was incorrect, the manual calls him "Dr. Ivo Robotnik". I have corrected this.

The article also presents the katakana ドクター・ロボトニック. This would be the correct katakana for "Doctor Robotnik", but has this ever actually been used anywhere in the series? Sonic Jam Official Guide uses ロボトニック (Robotnik) on its own, without the ドクター (Doctor).

As for his usual katakana name, the JP Sonic 1 manual uses ドクター・エッグマン (Doctor Eggman), but in the years since then Dr.エッグマン (Dr. Eggman) has been much more commonly used, and is what is used on Sonic Channel.

Similarly, English language Sonic media almost always uses "Dr. Eggman" rather than "Doctor Eggman". So shouldn't the article be named "Dr. Eggman"? IndigoPengi (talk) 11:59, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

    • Dr is just an abbreviation of Doctor, it literally means the same thing. Lockhqu (talk) 13:52, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Obviously. That's not the point. When citing a source we should cite it correctly. Sega actively chooses to use the abbreviation "Dr.", this wiki has actively chosen to use "Doctor". Wouldn't it be better if we were consistent with the official source material? IndigoPengi (talk) 17:34, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
I am with Indigo - "Doctor" is the license that Eggman obtained, while "Dr." is just a part of name that commonly used. It's like there's an edit-warring on Sally's article name, which should be either "Sally Acorn" or "Princess Sally Acorn" at one point. That, of course, reverted and closed. FredCat 17:39, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
A problem I have with this decision is that if it has to be changed for one article, it has to be changed for all situations where the term "Doctor" is used on SNN in order to maintain consistency.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 17:42, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
It only needs to be changed to match what the source material says. If a Sonic comic has a character whose name is written as "Doctor Dolphin", then we use "Doctor". If a Sonic video game has a character whose name is written as "Dr. Porcupine" then we use "Dr.". It's a case by case basis. It's the source material that we have to be consistent with. IndigoPengi (talk) 18:32, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
I am very much against that idea, regardless of the case by case basic. It will only leads to contradictions, chaos and disagreements about what should be called what and what takes priority over others in case they start using "Dr." for a character that was using "Doctor" in the beginning and vice versa. Furthermore, what about those cases where Doctor" is said without having any written source to determine whether it is "Dr." or "Doctor"? That could spark heated disagreements about which one is right. It is important that we have a format we stick to so we can ensure equal treatment of every article and prevent disagreements like those mentioned above to begin with.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 18:43, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
I don't think we should be intentionally stylising names differently from the source material. We should follow the source material. In the case of Eggman, Sega uses "Dr. Eggman" 99.99% of the time. We shouldn't be writing characters' names differently from how they're officially written, just because of potential wiki disagreement concerns. That's putting the cart before the horse. The format we should stick to is "write it the way it's written in the source material". We certainly shouldn't be misquoting our citations.
"Furthermore, what about those cases where Doctor" is said without having any written source to determine whether it is "Dr." or "Doctor"?"
If it's a TV show, then subtitles will be available. But that's hypothetical and not relevant to the Dr. Eggman page. IndigoPengi (talk) 01:59, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Mister Eggman, for example. FredCat 05:49, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Doctor Eggman should just be considered the full form of Dr. Eggman. "Sonic" is referred to as just "Sonic" far more often than he's called "Sonic the Hedgehog", but we still consider "Sonic the Hedgehog" to be the official, full form of his name. Obviously in a quote, it's important whether the source text says "Dr." or "Doctor," but in terms of article text Dr. should be used for the short version and Doctor should be used in situations that warrant the full form. JakeMorph (talk) 08:03, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Exactly, just as Sonic's full (unofficial) name is Olgilvie Maurine Hedgehog in Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comics. FredCat 09:41, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Following Jake's comment: Sega uses "Sonic" as the short name and "Sonic the Hedgehog" as the full name. This is reflected on his Sonic Channel profile, where it lists "real name: ソニック・ザ・ヘッジホッグ", "English name: SONIC THE HEDGEHOG", "known as: ソニック". "Doctor Eggman" isn't used on Eggman's Sonic Channel profile. Sega presents his full name as "Dr. Eggman" with great consistency, I can't even remember the last time they used "Doctor Eggman" in English text, if ever. I agree that if a specific game refers to him as Doctor Eggman, then we should use [[Dr. Eggman|Doctor Eggman]] for that particular game's page. But our character profiles should reflect Sega's character profiles, and how Sega presents its characters' names.

Going back to what Ultrasonic was saying about wiki consistency: Our Tails profile is Miles "Tails" Prower, simply because that's how Sega presents his name. You can say this is inconsistent with other parts of the wiki, because we don't have a page titled Rotor "Boomer" Walrus. But it's irrelevant, Tails' name is presented that way and Rotor's isn't. IndigoPengi (talk) 11:35, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Agreed - we would have to do the same with all "Anti-" characters that appear in Pre-SGW universe of Archie Comic's Sonic the Hedgehog issues. Like Anti-Sally being called Sally "Alicia" Acorn, Anti-Rotor - Rotor "Anti-Rotor Boomer" Walrus, Miles "Miles" Prower, etc. FredCat 14:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Real name[]

So, do we have an actual recent source that states that Eggman's first name is "Ivo"? Because, while both old and modern sources use the surname "Robotnik" (specially since it would make sense if you include Gerald and Maria), there's no source that uses "Ivo". I mean, the American manuals for old games have long been discarded and aren't used for anything other than gimmick names and Zone descriptions. But even American sources only use "Dr. Robotnik" rather than the "full" "Dr. Ivo Robotnik". DiegoUreta68 (talk) 14:30, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

"Ivo" was first used in the American Sonic 1 manual. The last time I recall it being used was in Prima's Sonic Chronicles official guide book. It's never been used in-game. Eggman's profile on Sonic Channel says that his real name is unknown. IndigoPengi (talk) 15:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Well. Sonic Chronicles' never been canon, so that's discarded. DiegoUreta68 (talk) 15:07, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
"Ivo" is still being used by Sega on promotional stuff, example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PTBaLBhIrY Cookiepinguy (talk) 21:01, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
True, while "Julian" is not official and only used in Archie Comic's Sonic the Hedgehog issues, both pre-SGW and post-SGW. FredCat 21:31, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

do we know which of Ivo's parents was the child of Gerald?[]

Seems like something which didn't get covered.

Since Maria and Ivo are cousins I guess this also raises the question of which of Maria's parents was Gerald's child (ie the aunt or uncle of Ivo)

This would also make the aforementioned parent-of-Gerald the uncle or aunt of Maria.

If there's no hint in the games, maybe in the Sonic X anime or the comics? Just want a Robotnik family tree. Tycio (talk) 23:27, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Neither of them mentioned it. But at least we knew that Gerald had two children due to Eggman and Maria being "Cousin" to each other. FredCat 23:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
The Archie comics have a Robotnik family tree which can easily be found by looking up their page here or on the Mobius Encyclopedia. JakeMorph (talk) 00:15, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
That, however, is no longer official thanks to Ken Penders for severing SEGA's partnership with Archie Comic. FredCat 01:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
It is still "official". It's just not in a continuity that is used anymore. JakeMorph (talk) 01:22, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, but not on Sega's game version of Dr. Eggman. Archie Comic go on the Archie Comic version. That's a big difference. Ergo, it's NOT official on Dr. Eggman in the Sega's game article. So, please keep this off the record. FredCat 01:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
The user asked if there was anything about this in the comics or anime, so I gave an answer. What are you talking about, "off the record"? That's not what that means. JakeMorph (talk) 01:31, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
That was referred to Sonic X cartoon or comic, nothing to do with Archie Comic itself.
Ergo, the answer of using Archie Comic's main series is still an No. FredCat 07:44, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the Relationships section for Sage[]

I think that section for Sage should be spoilered. Does anyone know how to spoiler the section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Profgawhite678 (talkcontribs) 21:32, 9 November 2022

{{Spoiler}} at the top of selected section. And also, be sure to type down four tildes (~~~~) at end of your comment whenever you post in the talk page like this one, otherwise, we have to put in the unsigned template with your account name and date included by force. FredCat 12:29, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, is it okay to put daughter next to Sage's name in the relationship section, because that's what Eggman calls her? Furthermore is it okay to put son next to Metal Sonic? because in The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog, Metal Sonic and Sage both appear to be wearing shirts that say "Lets Go Dad" KevinManning01 (talk) 03:00, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

No, not biologically. Vanilla and Cream are mother and daughter, biologically. FredCat 07:20, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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