Talk:Death Egg Robot (mass-produced)

Merge with Death Egg Robot

I believe this robot and the standard Death Egg Robot should share the same page. For one, “Death Egg Robot sentinel” is not its actual name. “Sentinel” is just there in the sentence to serve as a descriptor of the robot’s purpose as a guard. The term is used once, in the description of a YouTube video. “Death Egg Robot” is the name used in-game, so why was the article not just named that? Secondly, Silver’s statement (the page quote) gives away how Death Egg Robots were being mass-produced; the same Death Egg Robots from Sonic 2 and Sonic 4 Episode 1. All of the recurring Badniks in the game have radically different designs from their previous appearances, but they are still considered the same robots. This must mean that the Death Egg Robots in this game are just like the Badniks, copies created by the Phantom Ruby. Furthermore, the original Death Egg Robot page includes the final boss of Forces as its appearance in the game, simply considering it a different design. Why can’t this “sentinel” have that same treatment? Mystyle^(Message) 06:35, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

• • It’s kind of like Master Overlord, where he is clearly a upgraded version of Metal Overlord but with a different name or like the Egg Dragoon Mk 2, where it’s a recolored of the Mk 2 from Generation. It’s considered a different version of the Death Egg Robot, due to the different head.Lockhqu (talk) 07:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Even if the name is obscure, it is still a name given out by official Sonic media. It is the same way we came upon the Inhibitor Ring's name. Also, it is definitely meant to be a diferent model with its design and autonomy. Even if we could agree that "sentinel" isnt its official name, it could still be called "Death Egg Robot (mass-produced model)".Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 07:52, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Agreed with Ultra. One is basically a mech suit while the other is a mass produced robot. DECOOL! (talk) 12:13, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

This really doesn’t add up. “Death Egg Robot” is the name given in-game. The in-game content is always prioritized over some random YouTube video description. “Sentinel” is just part of the sentence, hence why it is ‘’lowercase’’. Inhibitor Rings is ‘’uppercase’’. If we considered this a completely different model just because it looks different, we would have to do the same with the other Badniks that appear in Forces, including the final boss that is on the standard Death Egg Robot page. Mystyle^(Message) 12:24, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Sure, it may have the same name in the game but the YouTube description is an indicator that it is not the same mecha that Eggman had been using in the boss fights. It is an altered one that has been mass produced. DECOOL! (talk) 12:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Actually, the YouTube description doesn’t indicate anything. It is Silver’s statement in the game that tells us that it is mass-produced. There is no mention of it being altered of any sort. Mystyle^(Message) 13:11, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay, but Silver's statement still indicates that it's mass produced, right? DECOOL! (talk) 13:15, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, but they are still the same robot. How does it being mass-produced make it separate? There are just more of them. Mystyle^(Message) 13:22, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

No, because one is a mech suit that Eggman pilots and the other is a robot that Eggman built but does not pilot. DECOOL! (talk) 13:45, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

The difference of it not being piloted is not present on any of the pages; it has been distinguished only by its design. There is also no confirmation that it cannot be piloted. Mystyle^(Message) 14:00, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

The Death Egg Robot page uses the item infobox because the Death Egg Robot is a mecha that can be piloted. Without Eggman, it does not function. This has been shown so many times throughout the series. There is a difference. If there was not a difference, it would not be separated. Also, since when does Eggman have his other robots be piloted by anybody else? (EDIT: Yes, I remember Mecha Sonic but aside from that) Animal friends don't count.DECOOL! (talk) 14:13, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Pilotable or not, they're both still robots. This one has the same name and is considered the same as the standard Death Egg Robot in the game, so the wiki should follow suit. The Death Egg Robot page can simply be added to the "Robots" category. Mystyle^(Message) 14:42, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Sure, they're both robots, but I do not believe that they are actually being considered the same version. I disagree with this decision. DECOOL! (talk) 14:56, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

I am with DECOOL here, it's the same idea as you could compare Doctor Robotnik and Doctor Robo Robotnik - though they were the same person, but they came from different time eras and timeline. If it was so, it would be a huge article to cover up.
Ergo, let's just leave them as the way they are right now, Mystyle. FredCat 15:13, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

It is another one of the robots that was being mass-produced in Forces. Just like the already mass-produced Egg Pawn, Moto Bug, and Buzz Bomber, it sports a different design. Silver points out that they are specifically Death Egg Robots, and the quote on the page even links to the main Death Egg Robot. This is enough to have it share a page with the main Death Egg Robot. I keep mentioning the final boss of Sonic Forces, because it's the same case; different design and features, but still a Death Egg Robot regardless. Mystyle^(Message) 15:18, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't feel convinced from saying that it's the same as Moto Bugs and Egg Pawns. There are Egg Pawns with bunny ears that have only ever been referred to as Egg Pawns, yet they have a different page because they are a new variant of that robot. If there was not such a significant change in the way the Death Egg Robot is being used, it would not have a different page. DECOOL! (talk) 15:32, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

The changes are not significant enough. It is still a giant destructive robot that is out to destroy Sonic and the others, now mass-produced and operating without Eggman inside. Both the Egg Pawn Bunny and Melee Eggpawn are distinguished by their official names, making them clear variants that warrant separate pages. This Death Egg Robot does not compare to those. Mystyle^(Message) 15:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

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How are the changes not significant enough, with the fact that this Death Egg Robot is bigger, has a different colour scheme and is not directly piloted by Eggman? If Eggman made a mini motorized bike that was modeled after the Moto Bug and he called it the Moto Bug, is it still a normal Moto Bug? No, it is a variant. If anything, if this page is to be merged with the normal Death Egg Robot page, it will be listed under the variants section. DECOOL! (talk) 16:08, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

In comparison to the other robots that appear in Forces, no. The muted color scheme falls right in line with the recurring Badniks in the game. I'll again mention that the final boss Death Egg Robot looks wildly different from both the original model and this one, but still uses the same page as the main Death Egg Robot. That means that the size does not matter either, because the final boss is many times larger than the standard Death Egg Robot. If anything, the features of the final boss vary more from the original Death Egg Robot than this one does. Whether or not it is pilotable doesn't change anything about the robot's actual functionality. It still attacks with claws and lasers like the others. Mystyle^(Message) 16:38, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Are you telling us that E-102 Gamma and E-1000 are the same robot, Mystyle? Well, I disagreed to that logic as well. FredCat 16:16, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

To be fair to Mystyle, that is not what he is saying as those two have different names. DECOOL! (talk) 16:20, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

True but... what I am referring to is... Eggman's original Death Egg Robot and "Death Egg Robot sentinel" have different designs, which made them "different" from each other. It also applied to the two robots I just mentioned; E-102 Gamma and E-1000, because they used same body, despite that they had different arms and souls/batteries. FredCat 16:42, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Again, this does not make sense as a consistent reason to separate the pages when the final boss of the game has a radically different design and is included on the main Death Egg Robot page. Mystyle^(Message) 16:46, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Well then again, they are on several separate games, unlike one on Sonic Forces. It doesn't mean this version is an upgrade of the original. Unless you tell me OMEGA is Gamma's upgrade in some senses or at least Gamma's permanent "final form".
That link was just referring to this version because they shared the same name, but not the shape, design, or even power source. It's like you're forcing onto the clone version, like those Shadow Androids in the Sonic Hero game. Well, tell me that they are the same ones in IDW Publishing comics, please? FredCat 17:29, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Uh, what does the IDW continuity have to do with this? It was explicitly told that it is not canon to the main series, so it requires no additional thought. Omega and Gamma are separate characters and even have different names; they have never been referred to as the same robot, they're just both part of the E-Series and that's it. Back on topic, there is official information right in the game that implies that this Death Egg Robot is another version of the same original machine, and no seen evidence to imply that it's not. Mystyle^(Message) 17:41, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, "another version of the same original machine" is drat right. It's just a copy of former version but in different game. Unless you want to combine Shadow's boss article from Sonic Generations into Shadow the Hedgehog original article? Once again, I don't think so.
Because "Death Egg Robot sentinel" is completely focus on how it appears in Sonic Forces, while the articles of original "Death Egg Robot" were focused on what it appears in Sonic the Hedgehog 3, Sonic Mania, and Sonic Generations, if my memory serves me well. If you want the "sentinel" to merge with the original one, then you should merge ALL of Death Egg Robots from other games as well.
Until then, the "sentinel" version stays separated. FredCat 17:53, 26 April 2021 (UTC)