Talk: Cheese

What's all this acrimony about Cheese's gender?! I am almost certain FFF was right back in the day and that Cheese is canonically genderless. Can someone slap in a reference (or link to appropriate video) which PROVES Cheese is male? 'Cos otherwise, I don't believe you. The Doctor... IS IN ^{Molten Scandium} 14:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Throughout the course of X, Cheese is called a male. I don't have any proof on hand, but I'll look. I don't believe it was ever given a gender in the games, however. SLJCOAAATR Soul 21:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

My understanding was that all Chao were genderless. Cheese is called "him" in the same way that Metal Sonic is called "him". If you find something game-canonical beyond a wayward pronoun, then fine, but until then I'd say "it". The Doctor... IS IN ^{Molten Scandium} 22:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm mistaken (I really don't remember.), but didn't Chao have genders in SA1&2? SLJCOAAATR Soul 22:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I avoided the Chao gardens whenever possible, so I wouldn't know. Anyone else? Anyone? The Doctor... IS IN ^{Molten Scandium} 22:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I feel too lazy to dig up my GC. TO YOUTUBE SLJCOAAATR Soul 22:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

In Shadow the Hedgehog, Cream refers to Cheese as "he" and "him", so that pretty much indicates that he is a boy.Sonictoast 00:30, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Cheese's name

This is ridiculous. Each and every one of you should know how to handle a problem like this by now, especially you Pink. I've seen you get into edit wars with other Users countless times, and each time you never offered any serious evidence to back-up the edits which were being reverted. If you want to settle your name debate, do it here and do it civily, or else people are going to get banned for a pre-determined amount of time. Lloyd the Cat"I hog that hedgehate!" 05:18, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

That's what I wanted to do vote but they probably won't listen so a vote is hopeless and a vote should be on a blog where more people wil notice. Sonicfan919 05:21, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

No, this issue is going to be handled here, where it is more appropriate. Nobody should have to use blogs in order to get other peoples' attention. And if one or all of those who participated don't appear here to settle on something, then this page shall remain locked until a compromise is made. Lloyd the Cat"I hog that hedgehate!" 05:23, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

I've been trying to tell him that Cheese the Chao is his full name. Sure he may not be related to in any continuity as "Cheese the Chao" but his full name is Cheese the Chao. I feel offended now, because I've been trying to tell him proof. Sometimes, I feel like I should leave the wiki sometimes because the users are so mean and unforgiving when I have proof. It just isn't fair, it is his full name, and, that is final, but sometimes, I feel like I'm talking to myself. Pinkolol16, I love Sonic... I'm a Proud Sonic Fan 05:27, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sometimes I feel like leaving this wiki because everyome's treating me like an idiot! Each time I put canon and valid info it gets undone and what for, because they're stupid? Anyways Cheese is his name. It's always been it was just recently changed by Pinkolol. He is always referred to as Cheese and NO contunity lists him under the name Cheese the Chao. If we're changing his species name then we should do that to all pages because that would be unfair. Sonicfan919 05:32, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Genesjs – "I don't die. I just go on adventures." TALK – 05:42, August 20, 2011 (UTC) Just so everyone knows what your so-called proof is, state it on here so everyone can see. And Pink, everytime I see you get into an edit war with other Users, you never present any proof. All you do is keep telling everyone that you're right and they're wrong. So either you show me and everyone else that you do have actual proof this time, or I'll ban you myself. I'm not going to be playing any games here.

My proof, as stated above is that Cheese has never been referred as Cheese the chao in any contunity and SEGA themeselves don't ever use the term Cheese the Chao AND we use characters based on their true names such as Sally Acorn and Tails "Miles" Prower. Sonicfan919 05:49, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well I don't never give proof. Remember that time I was telling you that there were 2 Chao in Sonic Colours, Genesjs?

But it still won't change the fact that his true name is his true name.

Fine I'll leave the page alone. AND THE WIKI!

Goodbye Pinkolol16, I love Sonic... I'm a Proud Sonic Fan 05:51, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well it appears she caved in and quit Sonicfan919 05:54, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

but even if there is no proof SEGA obvously made Cheese a Chao and Cheese the Chao is Cheese's full nameMikee the EchidnaEmeralds Power 05:56, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sally's a Squirrel is her name Sally the Squirrel? NO! There's no proof, she's never been called that so it's not on the wiki same goes for Cheese. Sonicfan919 05:58, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

so? Eggman was never stated as human and yet he's known as a humanMikee the EchidnaEmeralds Power 06:00, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

I believe people are getting worked up over nothing. We need to settle down, we are all entitled to have our opinions; however this does not mean we slander each other. I believe the page was fine the way it was before. Now lets calm down.ChaosLove 06:18, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Genesjs – "I don't die. I just go on adventures." TALK – 06:03, August 20, 2011 (UTC) @Pinkolol: I hardly recall that, but don't change the subject. And all you're saying right now is "I'm right because I know I'm right", and personally I don't find that argument very convincing or progressive. Also, is this how you're going to solve this problem which you helped prolong, instead of immediately going to this Talk Page to talk things out? By running away from it? If so, then you're wasting my time and everyone elses by refusing to help solve he problem. I was expecting better from you, but apparently I was wrong to do so.

Yes, that's waht I'm trying to say. Eggman isn't Eggman the human because

1:It's obvious he's a human

2:SEGA refers him as Eggman.

We should leave it as this page's original name, Cheese. Sonicfan919 06:47, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Genesjs – "I don't die. I just go on adventures." TALK – 06:56, August 20, 2011 (UTC) Then starting today we'll wait a full 7 days from now before making a final decision on what to name the article, and if more people show more favoritism to either the name "Cheese" or "Cheese the Chao", then the decision will be made after 7 days pass, after everyone who's interested in this topic speaks their preferences and why. Currently, I think more people are in favor of the article being named "Cheese" than "Cheese the Chao", but just to be safe we're going to wait 7 days. Any ojections?

Well I guess not, but by the logic of naming the article "Cheese" then we have to do the same for "Chocola the Chao". ChaosLove 07:00, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

I guess no objections. Though the main person has officially left the wiki. Oh, and I don't mind doing that to Chocola. Sonicfan919 07:24, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Genesjs – "I don't die. I just go on adventures." TALK – 07:27, August 20, 2011 (UTC) If people want to rename that article too, then they need to suggest doing so on it's TP. If not, then the article shall be left alone. As far as I'm concerned, our attention should be currently focused on the condition of this article and not any other, unless everyone else feels otherwise. Edit: Well, one person doesn't seem to mind renaming the Chocola article, but IDK if its something he actually wants to happen. Anyway, I'm gonna wait for other people to speak up if they think the Chocola article should be taken care of as well.

Whelp, an admin agreed with me so now,my work here is done. :D Sonicfan919 07:31, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

None of you guys are giving proof on Cheese's name. This discussion wouldn't be do long and angry if I wasn't asleep. Here is your proof,http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/chara/cream/index.html . It's written that his name is "Cheese" not "Cheese the Chao".--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 07:34, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Genesjs – "I don't die. I just go on adventures." TALK – 07:44, August 20, 2011 (UTC) I've never been trying to give proof for anything at all, I've been trying to get everyone else who was in the edit war to do so, but one person seemed to have somewhat-raged quit and left. If you weren't mentioning me as well, then you can ignore this message. Edit: @Sonicfan919: I never really agreed with you on anything, I just stated that I'll let others say what they want to say on the topic. I was never supporting anyone. Ever.

In addition he is referred to as just 'Cheese' in Sonic Rivals, Sonic Chronicles, and Sonic X. All of these images are already on the page. -- Supermorff 07:46, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I wasn't talking about you Genesjs. And yes, Supermorff, I was about to type the same thing.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 07:55, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Actually he was stated as Cheese the Chao once SplashTheHedgehog 02:21, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

If were going by that why not call Amy Rose Amy Rose the Hedgehog he's refred to Cheese the most let's leave it as is. Sonamyfan666 Follow me inside, outside, through the stratosphere...

But Amy was never called Amy Rose the Hedgehog in anyway shape or form, your argument is invalid. Cheese has ben called Cheese the Chao one 04:00, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Sonic Chronicles the Dark Brotherhood her in game bio calls her that. Sonamyfan666 Follow me inside, outside, through the stratosphere...

Gender-neutral Pronouns

According to Evan Stanley, it's now official policy that Cheese be referred to with gender-neutral pronouns: https://spiritsonic.tumblr.com/post/632062761415966720/hi-i-really-enjoyed-issue-33-of-sonic-idw-i

How many times has Cheese been referred to with male pronouns in the games, manuals etc? We should make note of any examples in the Trivia section, but change the pronouns in the main article to reflect the current portrayal of the character. IndigoPengi (talk) 22:21, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm aware, I've already started changes. I'll link the Tumblr. 23:41, 15 October 2020 (UTC)