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Forums: Index > Site discussions > Closed site discussions > Edit Warring and 3RR


Result: Edit-warring has been made more explicit in the policy. The "Three-revert rule" has been opposed on.
I've made this site discussion to bring to attention an issue that has been rather troubling over these previous months: the Wikia crime known as "edit-warring". This has happened frequently as of late and I would like nothing more than for it to be lessened. Here are a couple of suggestions:
  • Edit warring isn't listed in our rules, but is often considered a sub-rule of "Assume good faith", which is listed. Not everyone is going to know the exact meaning behind this, or everything it entails, so perhaps it can be explained in further detail in a page of its own (like we have with "Don't feed the trolls".) It should be made more explicit that edit-warring is an offense, and the reason not to do it should be clearly explained.
  • Wikipedia has a bright-line rule called the three-revert rule, or 3RR, read that article for more details. The basic idea behind this is that users should not make more than three revisions to the same edit in a space of 24 hours. I was thinking perhaps we could have our own 3RR, or any limit to revisions, and perhaps it doesn't have to be as strictly followed, and used merely as a recommendation.

Feel free to add any suggestions I may have missed out, that might help to decrease the number of edit wars on this wiki, or query the ones I made. THE REFLEX dancing on the valentine 23:02, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind having a sub-page made that helps explain to Users essential information about edit warring. However, I'm leaning towards opposition for your second suggestion, because I think that anyone who has enough time on their hands can check individual edits made by Users and determine their actual quality, regardless of how many are made. Limiting the amount of edits/revisions done to specific pages to 3 per 24 hours just seems to be a tad overkill to me. Lloyd the Cat"I don't die. I just go on adventures." 23:14, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

From what I remember, we already have a 3RR. GraveEclipse567 23:17, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with le. These are very good ideas & rules that should be done. SilverPlays97 (Wall) (Contributions) 23:31, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

We need to explain edit-warring more in-depth, I wholeheartedly support the first idea. The second...well, that would kind of be encompassed by the whole "no edit-warring" thing, and per Gen, it does seem a tad overkill. Twinkle Snow Unleash Christmas 201300:00, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

I don't recall us ever having a 3RR, Spyro...
You think it's overkill, huh? I did say that the limit doesn't have to be 3, it can be more if you prefer. The first bullet point is trying to lower the risk of edit-warring, so it happens less often, while the second bullet point is trying to lower the severity; the level of disruption caused by an edit war should one occur. I also said that it didn't have to be as strictly followed, i.e. if a user undoes the same edit more than thrice, there is little punishment. To see half a page full of "Undo revision XXX by XXX" is just ugly. THE REFLEX dancing on the valentine 16:08, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Solace, I suggest you look back at your comment and see just how rude that sounded... users were simply stating their opinion, no need to be as aggressive as you were.
Temper tantrum aside, per Genesjs. ---~Flare | Talk Page 21:55, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
I wasn't trying to sound rude or aggressive, and I know that's all they were saying. Temper tantrum? I feel insulted. Try not to misread my tone in future. THE REFLEX dancing on the valentine 23:14, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
Per le. Watch watch with your words. SilverPlays97 (Wall) (Contributions) 23:31, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, looks like I misunderstood the 3RR thing. I'll go neutral on that, because I don't really have any objections left, but I don't feel the need to have one. Either way works. Twinkle Snow Unleash Christmas 201300:32, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

I agree that the rules on Edit Warring need to be more specific, but I don't agree that we need a 3-Revert rule. --ALSigNew1ALSigNew2 01:35, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hello? I didn't say we needed one per se, it was only a suggestion. The first point is definitely necessary, the second point is really only an extra that might help even more (it's not overkill though, I don't get it!). Referring to my message above, lowering the risk is more vital than lowering the severity at any rate, which is why I'm not voting on 3RR. THE REFLEX dancing on the valentine 22:02, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

Well, it looks like the consensus is clear...anyone want to try to explain rules on edit warring more explicitly? (for use on policy page) Twinkle Snow Unleash Christmas 201314:43, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Rules against edit warring should be made more explicit - voting

Signatures only please.

Agree

  1. THE REFLEX dancing on the valentine 13:32, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Twinkle Snow Unleash Christmas 201314:06, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
  3. SilverPlays97 (Wall) (Contributions) 01:11, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  4. ALSigNew1ALSigNew2 01:35, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Serious Sam Minigun icon Heavy 08:42, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Two-tailed Fox (talk) 09:09, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  7.  Splash the Otter   C  E  11:44, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Pacmansonic138 (talk) 00:24, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
  9. Lloyd the Cat"I don't die. I just go on adventures." 21:48, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
  10. Akamia(Talk)(Want to see what I've been doing?) 04:36, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  11. Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 03:47, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Disagree

A "three-revert rule" should be added - voting

Signatures only please.

Agree

  1. SilverPlays97 (Wall) (Contributions) 01:12, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  2.  Splash the Otter   C  E  11:44, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Pacmansonic138 (talk) 00:24, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Disagree

  1. Supermorff (talk) 13:02, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
  2. ALSigNew1ALSigNew2 01:35, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Serious Sam Minigun icon Heavy 08:42, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Two-tailed Fox (talk) 09:10, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
  5. ---~Flare | Talk Page 05:22, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
  6. Lloyd the Cat"I don't die. I just go on adventures." 21:47, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Akamia(Talk)(Want to see what I've been doing?) 04:36, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 03:47, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
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