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Result: The use of banning and kicking rights (even with explicit permission from the user the rights are being used on) is abuse of the rights. There will be no predetermined punishment, as cases are to be dealt with individually by an administrator. Users who have abused their rights in this manner in the past month will receive a final warning. If the abuse of rights persists, the user will be temporarily banned from the wiki.
Recently, chat mods and admins have been banning each other and other users for the 'fun' or 'enjoyment' of it (they would later undo their ban). Now, i know this does no real harm to people, but look at the log. This is a constant thing happening. I, personally, find this an abuse of power and certainly calls for some punishment. The mods and admins are basically saying 'I don't take my job seriously' (again, in my opinion). I believe as a community we need to make this behavior clearly unacceptable. I will not post a list of the users who did this, but if you request one i can certainly do so (you can also look over the log). I know the chat can get boring and you need to make your own 'fun', but now this way. SilverPlays97 (Wall) (Contributions) 23:48, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree. It ruins people's logs. And I don't find it that amusing either. In my clear words, power abuse. -- MintsyWinterBlue (talk) (contributions) 23:54, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

I think I recall a forum similar to this and it failed. Also, the banning for fun is usually because the people ask for it. I honestly don't really care either way. GraveEclipse567 00:10, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

That's some shonky business right there. While I could say that the choice of quick-banning is acceptable as long as the victim is OK with it, admittedly it's an extreme abuse of power, and there is quite a load of blocks filling up the log. This log contains a history of banning that should be used for reference on actual business, instead of just blocking for the sake of "kicks". Serious Sam Minigun icon Heavy 00:17, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

I personally do not frequent the chatrooms but I must say that this is very immature and exactly the opposite of what one would expect from administrators. Yes, such bans do ruin the repertoire of said users and become part of their record. Administrators are given the power to suspend other users with the expectation that they will only use it when it will directly benefit the Wiki, and they should be reluctant to even want to use it. This is not funny. P.S. If you don't want to get into arguments with other people on the chatroom, then don't go to the d*** chatroom in the first place. --Shelly the Hedgehog of SNN 5 Amy to Shelly


. 00:55, August 23, 2013 (UTC) From my view I have to agree with Sonicrox14 since some of those bans are useless, even if it's for fun. --Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am? What do you want? What do I do? 01:32, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

As I said in the last related forum, no one should be using their user rights irresponsibly, and those that choose to do so show that they are not mature enough to be allowed to bear these rights. SilverPlays, you and anyone else are more than welcome to set up demotion requests at Sonic News Network:Requests for User Rights to bring a solution to this problem. This matter can only be resolved if they cease abusing their rights, or if someone requests to have them demoted. There's no point in creating a rule of some sort that would prohibit chat ban abuse, considering the users with the rights to ban should know better than that. They are expected to use their rights only when needed, not for their personal amusement.   ★EYCEST★R★    ★Contact★ 01:53, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Good point. --Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am? What do you want? What do I do? 03:16, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

I agree and disagree. Yes, I believe that chat-mods/admins shouldn't ban each other for fun, as they do it WAY to frequent, but then again, being a chat-mod really isn't a job to be taken seriously, since it's only one tool, that you can use for good, and this is just a wikia, so no punishment is required. As long as is doesn't harm anyone.. I'm cool with it. So mixed opinions here :\ --DiscoDiva Surnik 06:11, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Dark, i do not wish to remove these rights from these people finitely, but more as a temporary removal. I suggest these users should have a 3-day site ban, 2 week chat ban, and a 2 week removal of their rights (they will be given back afterwords). does anyone else think that is suitable? SilverPlays97 (Wall) (Contributions) 10:25, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

A 3-day site ban sounds reasonable enough. The 2 week chat bans/removal of rights is a bit harsh, only padding onto a lesson that can be learned within the first 3 days of being denied access onto the wiki. Serious Sam Minigun icon Heavy 10:30, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

It could depend. Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am? What do you want? What do I do? 10:32, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

I'll have to agree with Sacor. I'm willing to ban them from chat for one week, but the 3 day ban would be unnecessary at this point, in my opinion. But, if this becomes a problem yet again, I highly advise you (or anyone) to set up demotion requests. If they're not responsible enough to use their rights maturely, then they shouldn't have the rights at all. So, here's how I suggest these bans should be issued out:

  • Those who have abused their user rights on chat during this month, should be banned from chat for 1 week.
  • Additionally, those who were abusing their user rights any previous month will be let off with a final warning to stop abusing their rights on chat, or there will be consequences.
  • If this issue arises again, someone will set up demotion requests at Sonic News Network:Requests for User Rights, that way, the demotion will be permanent, and they will need to renominate themselves to earn their rights again.
  • Instead of creating another forum, simply contact an admin or 'crat and inform them of the issue (though this can also be done by bringing the issue to the RfUR).

Does everyone agree with these terms? Feel free to offer any alterations or better suggestions. These are merely my suggestions before anything is done, so changes can be made.   ★EYCEST★R★    ★Contact★ 13:18, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

I say that'd be an agreeable pact. Consider me supporting. Serious Sam Minigun icon Heavy 13:22, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, maybe a bit too harsh. I'd say a week ban from the chat sounds good, but i think we need to include the month of july, because allot of those bans happened then, but i'm open for debate. SilverPlays97 (Wall) (Contributions) 20:23, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
I'm gonna agree with DF here. Pacmansonic138 (talk) 23:44, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
Don't punish people for mistakes in the past. Let them off with a warning, but inform them that if it happens again, there will be immediate consequences. The "final warning" idea is fine, but punishing people for mistakes they made in the past is overdoing it and is too strident. --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 17:54, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

SilverPlays> I do somewhat agree with what you're saying. My only issue is that the chat ban abuse that occurred in July should have been addressed sooner. Most of the users that did abuse their rights in July haven't done it again recently, which is why I prefer to let them off with a warning and only deal with those that did it during this month.

Bullet> Is my response to Silver what you were referring to? Or were you saying all mods - regardless of how recent they abused their rights - should be left off with a warning instead of banned from chat?   ★EYCEST★R★    ★Contact★ 23:06, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

The latter. --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 23:32, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

I think you can't punish people for doing something if they don't know it's wrong, and we don't, generally, prescribe punishments. Decide whether this is a practice that is wrong on this site discussion. Then, if people keep doing it, punishment is decided on a case-by-case basis by an admin. -- Supermorff (talk) 16:20, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

^This. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 19:31, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

I concur with Supermorff. Don't prescribe punishments. In any instance of "power" abuse, an administrator should deal with the case; there should be no set time duration for the ban. --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 19:34, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

It seems we have come to the point to give a final warning to the users in question. Could and admin please do this? And how are we going to make sure this doesn't happen again? SilverPlays97 (Wall) (Contributions) 22:27, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
By giving them a warning. Just tell them it part of the rules now. We're talking about chat mods here, right? They'll listen.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 05:51, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

How 'bout we add something about this to our chat policy? Just a minor note. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 12:25, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

No need. The chat policy relates to conduct on chat for all users. Blatantly stating on the chat policy page that moderators are not allowed to abuse their power is both completely unnecessary (all moderators should already know better) and just makes us look bad. This should be common sense, not written law. --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 19:28, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
I meant something telling users to contact an admin in the scenario that a mod does abuse power, but you're right, I guess it would make us look bad. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 20:29, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

I agree on this one. It does seem to be an abuse of power that they are meant to be responsible with and should be punished (Not too extreme though) --Psyche the Hedgehog 08:03, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

In conclusion: The use of banning and kicking rights (even with explicit permission from the user the rights are being used on) is abuse of the rights. There will be no predetermined punishment, as cases are to be dealt with individually by an administrator. Users who have abused their rights in this manner in the past month will receive a final warning. If the abuse of rights persists, the user will be temporarily banned from the wiki.

Is everyone okay with this? Unless there are any objections, I will wrap this discussion up shortly. --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 06:14, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

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