"but Sonic already has his own princess....but she's not in the games...and she is VERY different from Peach (and Elise)."
Sally's certainly more competent than Peach, and is able to keep up with Sonic's lifestyle -- in her own way.
@Waterkirby1994: "To be fair kissing someone to bring them back to life has been done plenty in the past. Snow White did it, Yuyu Hakusho did it in the 4th Episode, & you see it all the time with CPR. The kiss could have been breathing life into Sonic & necessary for his return for the battle against Solaris. A battle that would prove unwinnable, resulting in the need to banish it to an aborted timeline."
The reasons those kissing scenes don't garner any negative feedback is because the characters that kissed were human (although to be fair, there HAVE been some people who pointed out the implications of Snow White, effectively a corpse, being kissed, so that particular scene is/was not COMPLETELY free of controversy.). Perfectly normal in the eyes of the average viewer.
"As for the opinion of 06 it's quite mixed these days. Some say there were huge leaps as far as cutscenes went, & that the game was just a victim of being rushed so that it could be a launch title. "
If you're referring to the looks of the CG cutscenes, then yeah, I guess for their time they looked pretty good. But I vaguely recall there being a more mixed reaction for the in-game engine and the cinematic that took place in it. I don't particularly care about this specific issue though, so maybe I'm mistaken on some this, but I don't think I am. Also, the game was rushed so it could both be on time for the series' 15th anniversary and for a Christmas release. Don't recall ever hearing about the game being rushed because SEGA wanted to get a launch title for the new consoles at the time out as fast as they could just because -- if that were the case, I'm sure they would've handled development of the game with more care than they ultimately did when they decided that meeting certain self-imposed deadlines took priority over making sure they had a quality product.
"There are fan projects to make 06 more playable in terms of controls, gamebreaking glitches, loading times, & physics."
First I've heard of this.
"The Kiss scene wasn't nearly as big a deal as we made it out as being, just trying to give Sonic his own Princess Peach. We were much more judgemental when it came to relationships in those days than today though."
Does Sonic really need his own Princess Peach, though? I think that sort of thing would just give him needless baggage if he keeps having to keep rescuing a love interest who keeps getting herself kidnapped, which wouldn't mesh well with his character. Sonic should just do Sonic rather than try to needlessly emulate Mario in this way.
@Fusroyay20: "Will fans always end up with better ideas than Sega?"
Depends on who you ask.
I'm completely neutral on the subject of this movie -- I don't feel anything for it either way, therefore I have zero expectations for or against it. If this thing actually comes out, I'm just gonna wait and see the general response to it before I consider giving it a go (although even if it turned out bad, I would likely watch it anyway, because even I like picking apart and poking fun at bad movies every now and then.).
I haven't played it yet. Don't know when I will, but at some point I plan to. I've been hearing mixed reactions to the game's overall quality, so I'm not expecting anything groundbreaking going in, at the very least.
My initial reaction to the kiss could be summed up as, "Oh boy, this is NOT gonna go over well with most people who see this once they think about what Elise and Sonic actually are, even though Sonic is obviously not a normal animal no matter how you slice it." A lot of people tend to judge things on just a service level and nothing else, but as far as this case is concerned even though Sonic isn't a normal animal that unwittingly found himself swapping saliva with a human woman, and could therefore give consent as humans understand it, Sonic is still a creature based on a real-life animal, and considering he was dead when he was kissed he wasn't exactly in a position to give any form of consent whatsoever. When you keep these facts in mind it's not hard to understand why a noticeably large portion of the audience would find the kissing scene to be unpleasant to watch, to put it mildly. It's more than just the idea of a human kissing a hedgehog that made this scene so infamous.
Come 2018, I don't really see why the vitriol this scene receives as of the current year would in any way have decreased to any noticeable degree than it did when this game initially came out 12 years ago, because to this day Sonic 06 is a mess of a game that the vast majority of people, including SEGA themselves, want to forget. -- being part of a game that had a whole encyclopedia's worth of technical issues and troubled production only serves to exacerbate the already bad reaction the scene would've received by itself. I think this is just one of those things that's only going to live in infamy in the minds of gamers for decades to come.
Everything looks good to me. I approve.
I like the general theme and look behind NotLess' background concept. I'd be for seeing it implemented if all the possible technical issues that may occur can be resolved without issue.
I'm of the same opinion as Myself 123, in which I think the only issue with the background as of late has been that we've been changing our MAIN theme a bit too much this year. I don't mind seeing the background change for temporary events like certain holidays or major releases in the Sonic franchise. I think we should just simply decide on what kind of main background for the Wiki we wish to implement that most of us would be fine with having up for possibly a good while, in a time frame that could range anywhere from a full year to several. I think at least a year minimum would be ideal, IMO, so that way we don't even have to THINK of making replacements for the main theme for a decent while, if doing so is truly stressful to many of us.
I'm late to the party, but if anyone is curious about my lack of input on this matter up to this point, I have two reasons for not caring about the particular issue of changing the Wiki's background into holiday-based themes (in this case, Halloween):
1) I see changing the standard backgrounds into holiday-themed backgrounds temporarily whenever a particularly notable holiday comes around (like Halloween and Christmas, to name the most prominent examples) as a tradition that's always been done on this Wiki since even before I joined here over half a decade ago. I'm used to seeing it happen all the time, and hardly anyone ever really complained about it during my time on here (from what I've seen, anyway.), so in my mind I'd normally see this as a non-issue unworthy of having that serious of a discussion over.
2) I've been off social media a lot these past few weeks again because real life has been keeping me occupied in some area or another, so whenever I managed to get any free time to myself I usually took the opportunity to relax by engaging in one of my hobbies rather than log onto much of anything online in general. In other words, when it comes to making time to come on here and at least check on things regularly, for some reason or another I've been lazy about it, which is why I've only just now learned about this particular discussion and decided to throw in my own two cents into it, even if all I'd really be doing is explaining my recent absence in most Discussions up until now.
Finally, in regards to the complaints that we've been apparently getting from people who've not taken a liking to the changes to the background: If it's causing that much of a stink with people, I think we can afford to forego tradition for this year and just stick to a more neutral background that most people won't take issue with, whatever background that may be. No need to make a bigger fuss over this issue than absolutely necessary.
I also concur with Mystic and Luma.dash's suggestions for improving Discussions, but I'd also like to add a couple ideas on how a search bar could be used to help search for specific content. For example, it'd be nice if we could search for discussions based around factors besides titles, such as dates when the discussions were made.
Other than that, I think Luma.dash has already summed up the other stuff that could be touched upon.
Its like a refined version of Sonic CD's animated cutscenes. What's not to love?
@Nightcore Master: To each their own, I guess.
MyOrangeTails, I concur with DeCool's assessment of you. You have my support.
@NotLessOrEqual: I'm quite curious to know about that as well. I hope to God that what you heard isn't true though, because if it is I'm not gonna be happy.
@DeCool99: I assume you were responding to my comment? If so, here's my own reply:
It's not that I have trouble accepting that there's going to be something new replacing something old that I care about. That isn't the problem. The problem for me is whether or not the old thing is going to be preserved in any way. Moving towards the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing, and I am of the belief that if we don't make steps to preserve our past for all future generations to see then we'd be doing ourselves and them a disservice. The future hasn't even happened yet -- the past already has, therefore I think preserving the past takes just a bit more priority than looking forward to the future, because whether we want it to or not the future is going to happen and we're going to have to do our best to accept it when it finally hits us, but the past on the other hand needs help to be preserved so it can be looked upon by future generations -- it can't keep itself alive on it's own. This isn't me "dwelling" on the past. Dwelling is focusing too much on something needlessly. What I'm asking for isn't a desire born out of me dwelling on anything.
Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand, I just don't really care about whatever IDW has to bring to the table if it isn't a continuation of the Archie comics, which I doubt it would be. Maybe that will change if they can present me something that sounds genuinely interesting to me, but until they do then I see no reason why I should really care all that much. I get what you're trying to say, but the problem you're trying to address doesn't exist because, again, I, at the very least, am not dwelling on anything. Besides, I've only recently learned of the news of the series' cancellation, so I'm going to be mourning for a decent while, especially considering how much of a role the Archie comics has had in influencing my becoming a fan of the Sonic series and how it has also. by extenstion, helped influence my life in the direction that it has been going for as long as I've been a fan of them and the Sonic franchise as a whole. The Archie comics have ultimately played a bigger role in my life than just being another hobby for me to enjoy, as silly as that might sound to some people.
So, yes, I very much care about these comics being preserved, both because I want to continue enjoying them even though they've been cancelled now, and because I think that they're a piece of history that shouldn't be forgotten and should be enjoyed by future generations of fans for the pieces of history that they are. So it should probably go without saying that if I were to hear that these comics AREN'T going to be preserved in any way for everybody to enjoy, I won't exactly be all that happy about it, and given my viewpoint that I've just spent several paragraphs explaining I think I'd feel completely justified in feeling that way, despite what anyone else may have to say to the contrary. If I'm not misreadng you, I want the same thing you want -- I'm probably just more passionate about it than you are.
@Myself 123: A final battle pitting the player/Sonic against Infinite, as two equals battling it out instead of Sonic vs. a giant monster, WOULD be a welcome change of pace.
I knew the series was on it's death bed. What I didn't know was that it was already cancelled a few days ago. I only just learned of this yesterday. I'm likely going to be writing a blog on the main Wiki detailing all my thoughts on this matter, along with everything else that led up to it, along with sharing a few stories about myself and the Archie comics, because I think that filling this thread with all that stuff would be unwelcome, and I'd feel like I'd be derailing the conversation in a way by ranting a lot about all this. But for now, the short version of what I feel over everything is basically this:
What an absolutely miserable way for such a beloved comic series to go. While I won't say this series was perfect (it had its ups and downs just like a lot of long-running series tend to have over time), I don't believe that it deserved to end in the way that it ultimately did. While there may be some silver lining for some of you with IDW taking over the liscense for the Sonic comics, I won't really see it as such unless they, or some other company, can make it possible to continue reprinting the older issues of the Archie comics. I don't see IDW being able to continue the story from where Archie left off, so as far as I'm concerned unless IDW is willing to play some sort of role in helping to keep the older issues being reprinted in graphic novel format, I really can't be bothered to care about any news relating to IDW possibly making Sonic comics of their own. They can do whatever they want for all I care -- I just want to complete my collection of the Archie Sonic comics, because at this point, when it comes to any Sonic comic series, the original series before the reboot they made by issue #252, along with it's spin-off comics, is all I really care about.
At this point all I care about is reprints of the older issues. As long as we got those, I'll be happy enough.