Well, since I couldn't get any help from the Official Sonic Subreddit, I might as well try here. Where are some clips—not pictures, clips—of Sonic with a real dumb/flat/sarcastic look on his face? I'm hoping to use one less recent than the one in Sonic Mania Adventures. I'm making a quick video and I need a shot of him to cut to. Official media only. I prefer Classic Sonic for this (so I don't mind the TV shows), but I'll take modern if there aren't any good Classic ones. Thanks in advance!
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As a whole? I'd say Sonic Colors. There are plenty of levels and occasions where I do an amazing/incredible run, with some of the best times and flawless completions I've ever had, only to get a B rank. It's pretty rough in terms of grading.
I've collected the tracks for most of the major albums. I'm missing a few from games I haven't played, but I should be able to find them. Before I start matches though, I do have some questions:
1. Are we including SegaSonic the Hedgehog? It may not be a main console game, but it was designed for the arcade. This decision is up to you guys.
2 Have we come up with a solution for Sonic CD? Let me remind everyone here that we're not getting rid of the US version just because it is sl ower in tempo.
3. This hadn't occurred to me earlier, but should we include the Bonus Stages from Sonic 3 & Knuckles? They're technically not Special Stages, but one could argue that they might be necessary. Same goes with the competition themes in Sonic 3.
4. Do we include Sonic the Fighters?
5. How will the zones be counted in modern games like Sonic Adventure? Most stages have multiple acts, all with different musical tracks to go with them. Do we consolidate them into one stage like with the classic games? Or do we separate those in order to acknowledge their differences?
6. Do we include Sonic Shuffle?
7. Are multiplayer tracks allowed? i.e. Sonic Heroes, Sonic & the Secret Rings, etc.
Whenever you guys can, come back to me with those answers and I can continue with the building of the tournament.
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I've actually been somewhat busy--adding contributions to other Wikis I enjoy, and getting a definitive list ready for the Music Tournament. But it's hard to edit material when someone just goes back and deletes it right afterward. It lowers morale.
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I'll concede to that, and I'll back off unitl we can find some more people willing to help. But I think it'd go without saying that I wouldn't be fighting this hard if I weren't ready to volunteer.
I did offer descriptions and (when I could) added pictures for the Level Tournament. If I had known about the Game Tournament, I would've helped out then...I like to contribute whenever I can, and this would've been no exception.
I won't press this agenda any further until I can find dedicated helpers. In the meantime, I'll compile the songs from the series myself and see if I can make an even match-up--at least enough to construct brackets.
I know at least one graphic designer who owes me a favor--he doesn't really like Sonic stuff that much, but he usually puts his personal feeling aside in order to get the project done. If not, I'm friends with another guy, I can see what he says about it.
Once I get everything together, I can present a case to the admins, and if they're on board, they can provide the edits!
Anyway, I won't come back unprepared, but I do have one question: Are descirptions really necessary for music tracks? It made sense in the level and game tourneys because it was so immersive and interactive--triggering impulses through multiple senses. Music only requires listening--and in my opinion, that's all that should really be said: Just listen. If we were required to put in descriptions, I'd have absolutely no idea what they'd say or how it would be structred. If I get this all together, I think descriptions--other than a slight blurb about which game it came from or what year--would probably be better off just excluded this time.
With that, I'll leave and make a plan to organize all this together.
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Journalistic wrote:
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Years?I feel inclined to ask why? Wouldn't the downtime between Sonic games be a good opprotunity to put something like this together? Are we very,very busy right now? What out there would require so much work that it would take years(literally plural) of pushing this tournament back? If more games come out, then that would be an even heavier workload, and most people wouldn't want to be spoiled listening to the last few tracks or anything specific.
Starting on a tournament isn't easy. It requires a lot of work from all parties - some may need to go out of their original day schedule to contribute. This is a workload no one is interested into doing.
Years?I feel inclined to ask why? Wouldn't the downtime between Sonic games be a good opprotunity to put something like this together? Are we very,very busy right now? What out there would require so much work that it would take years(literally plural) of pushing this tournament back? If more games come out, then that would be an even heavier workload, and most people wouldn't want to be spoiled listening to the last few tracks or anything specific.
It's already been six months--if no one is interested in doing it right now, what's wrong with starting in January? Pushing the tournament back in years is beyond drastic.
Side note: Considering I contributed to both Level and Game Tournament which was able to get from the ground with the help from me, I won't be contributing to any more tournaments for the foreseeable future.
I disagree--So far we have a handful of people interested, and with the exception of spammers and idiots, we're actually having a civil discussion about it.I'm not even the one who started this idea and I'm likely the most interested in it.
I'm glad you were able to assist with the two previous tournaments, and I appreicate it, as I'm sure the rest of the members do. With all due respect however, hosting an event like this doesn't absolutely depend on the same person each time.If you aren't interested in joining in, then we can always have volunteers--maybe even hire additional help. I'm not too knowledgeable on Wiki formatting, but I'm sure someone out there will be willing to teach.
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Years?
I feel inclined to ask why? Wouldn't the downtime between Sonic games be a good opprotunity to put something like this together? Are we very,very busy right now? What out there would require so much work that it would take years(literally plural) of pushing this tournament back? If more games come out, then that would be an even heavier workload, and most people wouldn't want to be spoiled listening to the last few tracks or anything specific.
It's already been six months--if no one is interested in doing it right now, what's wrong with starting in January? Pushing the tournament back in years is beyond drastic.
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Demon heart 5 wrote:
So what is the whole point about this?
So what is the whole point about this?
Same as all the other tournaments--community.
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Genesjs wrote:
I find most of your suggestions agreeable. However, I have some questions about some of them.
For #4, you suggested that menu themes should be excluded from consideration for being entered into the tournament, yet you don't really explain why they should be. Could you perhaps explain to me why you feel they should be excluded?
For #7,you claim that Hub/Free Roam themes should be excluded because they would "encourage biased leverage, and by indirect extension, could be considered menu themes". Could you explain how exactly they would encourage this leverage, and be mistaken for menu themes? Because I fail to see how it would do either of these things. Hub/Free Roam songs are just as part of the soundtrack as any of the other songs are, and (while I admit there's no way I can prove this) I think most players can tell the difference between a menu theme and a Hub/Free Roam theme so how there would be notable confusion over something like this, if there is any at all, is beyond me.
I consider those "extra" tracks that aren't really necessary. Considering there are almost 50 games to go through, all getting bigger and bigger with age, we have an insane amount of work ahead of us. Besides, most of the games that have menus, also have multiple menu tracks. Meaning there would be several rounds where we're all literally just voting on one game's multiple menu themes. As for the hub stuff--I can literally count on one hand all the Sonic games that have explorable Hubs in the first place. That's why I believe it would cause imbalance--that's going against all the other Sonic games that don't have one. A hub is basically like an 'interactive' menu--you can mess around all you like, but you're eventually selecting an "option"--going to this level, fighting this boss, or even quitting the game.
So in summation, I feel that there aren't enough menu themes/hub themes to add to the already blistering list we have now. And speaking realistically--would any of them really hit even an honorable spot anywhere in the bracket?
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Mystic Monkey wrote:
I guess so. Just usually zones are known for their music that brings out there themes that I'm concerned that a Level Tourney and Music tourney would have roughly same results if a particular popular level is known for it's great music.
And you have every right to be. Everything a human being thinks about is associated with something. And you're right--in cases of video games, a musical track to a level is often associated with that level, since that's where they go together. However, I believe that we as a site(and our users) can separate our feelings from those, especially with reminders about professionalism. I absolutely hate Labyrinth Zone, but I enjoy the music for it. I like Sky Road Act 4, but that music makes me want to bash my head in.
As long as we inform people not to think about the level itself and just focus on the music, we should have an unbiased vote.
Now let's talk about Sonic CD--what can we do with something like that?
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Mystic Monkey wrote:
For music tournament, I tihnk we should only have music that appeared in official OST over game music, because whats the point in selecting our favourite zone music if we're gonna have a level tourney again?
For music tournament, I tihnk we should only have music that appeared in official OST over game music, because whats the point in selecting our favourite zone music if we're gonna have a level tourney again?
Because A) Excluding gamerips would also remove a large portion of the games made in the series and B)Places like Pirate Storm, Lava Mountain 2, and the entirety of Sonic 06 are more than solid proof that opinions of a level's gameplay and opinions of a level's music are vastly different, if not complete polar opposites.
Think about it--Masa held onto the rights for his music for decades. He just allowed license for an official soundtrack for Sonic 1 & 2 in two thousand and eleven--20 years later. If he never caved and we went with CD's only, that means that not a single classic generation Sonic game would be eligible for this tournament. People would be out for blood. I know it's not conventional, but some stuff has to be included, regardless of licensing rights, budget, sales, or general interest. They made the music--it must be acknowledged.
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Ultimate Silver Fan wrote:
Wasn't here for the Level Tournament so I'm here to ask why it turned out so badly.
Wasn't here for the Level Tournament so I'm here to ask why it turned out so badly.
Well, it didn't go badly, it just wasn't managed well. Great idea, poor execution.
We had one person assigned to keep track of the torunament standings(lost interest), one person in charge of edits and links(RL got in the way) and another who was tasked with designing graphics and pictures for the match-ups(he ended up leaving, if I remember correctly).
A handful of us users volunteered to write stage descriptions for each match, but some couldn't do it, some sullied theirs with personal opinions, and there was at least one spammer who went back in and messed up everyone's descriptions after they were submitted.
It was a good idea, however--one I hope we can bring back.
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I know we all took a break from this and everything, which is fine--the anniversary comes first--but I spent a lot of time thinking about it, and I have a general outlining suggestion as to the rules this tourney could follow in order to maximize efficiency and prevent it from stretching out too far or too long:
1. All tournament entries should be based on Official (physical disc/digital download) Licensed Album Release, i.e. Sonic the Hedgehog 1 & 2 Soundtrack or Planetary Pieces. Games that DON'T have albums, i.e. Sonic 3 & Knuckles or Sonic Triple Trouble can be collected through Gamerips or anything closely resembling an official release.
2. Tournament entries should be entered by chronological order of game release, then by track order(Official) or level order(Unofficial).
3. No jingles, sound effects or cutscene score.
4. It personally pains me to say this, but menus are also out.
5. Songs/Stages With Multiple Acts--Classic games; i.e. Sonic 3 & Knuckles and Sonic 3D Blast can be consolidated into one song/act.I'm on the fence with the 3D and Modern games, because stage acts often have enormous differences between the two, and shouldn't(at least in my opinion) be combined. We'll have to have a discussion about that together.
7. Hub/Free Roam Themes--while I don't agree with it(especially considering how beautiful some of the songs are), Hub Themes and Free-Roam Area themes must be excluded: They only appear in 2 or 3 games, which would encourage biased leverage, and by indirect extension, could be considered menu themes.
8. I think it's safe to say we can exclude all 8-bit versions of the main game series (Sonic 1 & 2, for example).
9. In order to save time, demo/unfinished/rough draft versions of songs, i.e. the entirety of the Sonic 1 & 2 Soundtrack 2nd disc, or extras from soundtracks, should be excluded, UNLESS the finished/final product was never created.
10. Sonic CD--This one is going to be VERY difficult to amend without entering some highly emotional debates. We have seven stages with eight separate songs for each one--ALL of them vastly different from both their default(Present) counterparts AND their region(US/JP) counterparts. Before anyone says it--no, we will not exclude the US version from the tournament. Spencer Neilsen and crew worked very hard to create a whole new soundtrack entirely separate from Hataya's arrangements. Regardless of anyone's opinion of the US music, it's still vital to the game, the character and the series as a whole. Without them, Sonic CD(at least in America) wouldn't even have music. This is a huge obstacle we must face, considering that all the stages, versions, and time settings combined, with Opening/Ending themes and Special stages, it's literally got enough tracks to hold it's own tournament. We can all discuss this amongst each other in the forum as well.
11. Special Stages--obviously, that's a yes.
12. Compilation GAMES--To be honest, the only compilation games I've personally played on were Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing, Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed, and Super Smash.Bros. Brawl and 4. I don't know what songs the others have, but I move that only NEW, Sonic-related content (previously unreleased) should be considered for tournament entry.
13. Compilation ALBUMS--I think the same rules should apply; only new content like remixes should be entered.
14. Remixes--Which leads us to this. I think we should be somewhat selective with our remix choices. I've got like...eight different official mixes of "Open Your Heart". And some mixes are exact copies of the original--I truly can't(and never have) tell the difference between the original and the '07 mixes of ANY of the songs that Crush 40 did. So, my proposal is this--1 of the original, 1 Official remix, and/or the Generations remix(es). Which would lead up to a possibility of up to four versions. Anything else is overkill.
15. Sonic Boom(2014)--I don't know about the others, but unfortunately the Sonic Boom game has a sound test option, but it doesn't have a single track name on them. They literally all say 'Track01' , 'Track02' and so forth. As crappy a game as it was, I'll refer you to my Sonic CD argument--it's still a game, thus it still counts. I doubt anyone(including myself) will have the patience to name the songs based on appearances, so (if we can find a veritable source), we'll just go with Track 1, 2, etc. Sorry.
That's all I can think of(yes, I know it's a lot) for now. Once we discuss and share our solutions for the critical thinking points, we can get to collecting, filtering and organizing!
We can do this, everyone--we just need to keep a clear head, remain informed and civilized, work together, stay on track....
....and don't look back.....
..just feel the pace....
come on now, race!
...sorry. I'll go sit in the corner.
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We could always do streams...I say the members who can, hook up and play various Sonic games live for a few days--something to help create buzz and hopefully make people want to play.
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Also, I suggest that we limit the songs to album only--that way, every track has a name and a place where it came from. Hopefully, that'll make things easier for us to work with as well.
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That sounds like a good idea. I propose that zones/levels with multiple acts (Say, Angel Island or Skyscraper Scamper) should get counted as one, to help further consolidate the data.
And Eggman Rox nailed this premise--EVERYONE has Live & Learn or City Escape at the top of their list. Quite literally everyone. I briefly considered excluding those two, but that would be going the wrong direction. So maybe if it's separated by type(instrumental level themes, character/appearance themes, vocal themes, hub/menu themes--unless we're not doing those) and just single elim. those until we eventually come up with something from each bracket going against each other.
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Absolutely. I think the Level Tourney was a spectacular idea--we just weren't all ready for it at the time. If we try to make it as close to the Game Tournament as possible(see if we can bring back those descriptions) and get good pictures of the level to go with it, this relaunch could really take off.
In terms of song, that's going to be somewhat difficult. Are we talking vocal? Level theme? Character Theme? Cutscene score? Sound effect pick-ups? If a musical tournament is something to be seen, then definitely make sure you're going specific.
Song names, too--not just "the one where".
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Who can I talk to about signing up?
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Ooh! Ooh! Me, me, me!!
I've got at least three microphones--I'll definitely be happy to volunteer for anything voice-related.
I've also got a great voice. ;-)
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