Yes, I mean that festival. Seeing as how that's the only part of the game that takes place in the revised continuity. Blaze isn't there, but that's not really relevant.
Because, by all other events of the game, Rush couldn't have happened or else Blaze and Sonic would know each other. And even so, nor could any of the other games have happened, because of the whole Chaos Emerald paradox. Though there are obviously some similarities, like Sonic becoming friends with Tails and Knuckles, and Shadow obviously has been released, but with only six Chaos Emeralds, the ARK is never fully activated, and Black Doom never becomes Devil Doom and is probably killed by Shadow on Final Haunt.
It's really the only logical explanation to that paradox with the Chaos Emerald.
So the revised Festival of the Sun takes place after Sonic Rush. Otherwise Blaze would recognize Sonic.
Well, Blaze probably originated from the Sol Dimension. In the "original" timeline (06), she was probably sent through time and dimensions by the Sol Emeralds during some sort of reaction during a battle with an enemy (likely someone from the Chaos Dimension, probably trying to escape Iblis, hell, probably Eggman himself if he survived the Egg Carrier crash), much like Sonic was sent into the future during the final battle in Sonic Mania.
Then, when the timeline was reset, the battle sending her to the future never happened, Eggman Nega came from the future of the Chaos Dimension, she eventually found her way to present day Chaos Dimension, met Sonic, fought Eggman and Eggman Nega, etc. Or perhaps Eggman Nega originated from it but pretended to be Eggman's descendant. I THINK I heard the official word was he was his descendant.
@Myself I think VanillaCream45 was complaining that people gave Silver a lot of unnecessary hate because the game he first appeared in was terrible and didn't handle him right. S/he used the term "underrated", indicating s/he likes Silver.
There's nothing wrong with a guy having a female favorite character. Like I said, Blaze is one of my favorites and I always play as her first in Sonic Rush now I've beaten the game.
Anyone else have a favorite Sonic character they really love?
I remember the system that game was originally for was reviewed by Angry Video Game Nerd. (If you don't know who he is, he reviews (and rants about) poorly designed games and game systems). That's why I ignored it at first, until I realized how important it was to the timeline so I then had to find a placement for it.
Reading closer into it, it could have taken place at any of those three points mentioned, but I hear and understand your reasoning for why it might not be between 4 Episodes I and II.
It did say 4 Episode I took place after Knuckles, and offhand I can't remember where I read something that implied CD took place between Episodes I and II, initially when making my list of games in Sonic continuity (before ever playing any other than Heroes and Sonic the Hedgehog 2), I wrote it off as non-canon because the system it was for was terrible, but had to change my mind on hearing Amy and Metal Sonic first appeared in it, plus it got put on better systems like GameCube, and so I had to find the placement for it, which for some reason I thought was between both episodes of 4.
Mentioning the official site said CD took place between 1 and 2. That was a critical piece of info that would be most helpful, like Shadow's first appearance in Last Story for my whole split timeline theory.
@Myself If you did raise that point, I must have simply missed it.
Oh. I didn't know that. I read the details I got from this site, but obviously someone got that wrong. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess Eggman made Mecha Sonic to replace Metal Sonic, then after his death, revived Metal Sonic.
@Mystic: Of course Sonic 2, Sonic 3, and Sonic & Knuckles are back to back. In addition to what you just said, the Death Egg fell at the end of Sonic 2, and landed on Angel Island, directly leading into Sonic 3, and the same thing happens for it and Knuckles.
Sonic 4 is said to be set right after Sonic & Knuckles, after the Death Egg's destruction, where Eggman revisits his past mechs. So then, CD takes place after Episode I, then Episode II after. (I can understand why many would think CD is between 1 and 2 though, coz of the absence of Tails, but he's not there in 4 either and it's after the Death Egg's destruction)
Besides, I get the impression Silver Sonic (2) was the first draft of a robotic Sonic after Eggman's first encounter with him, then Mecha Sonic (Knuckles) was his second, improved draft, they both die, then Metal Sonic was his third, ultimate, and longest-running version.
But, CD could very well be set between 1 and 2. It's either set between 1 and 2, between Knuckles and 4 Episode I, or between 4 Episodes I and II. They never really specify, but it's definitely one of those three.
@Myself: That wasn't called for. And I find Mystic easier to talk to.
Eggman did come back for him, and he would either be unconscious or temporarily dead during the entire time he was laying there so he wouldn't remember it.
Also, I got the impression that Sonic CD is between both episodes of Sonic 4, and that the postcredits scene of Episode I was meant to be his grand introduction and the moment of his creation leading into Sonic CD. Meaning he'd have been reawakened not long after his fall, and Eggman kept him around so long despite his failures, where he was not so merciful to the E-series robots that disappointed him.
And he could talk in Heroes and Generations, just not in Sonic Rivals 2 where he was kinda reprogrammed as a mindless servant by Eggman. Though the Mario & Sonic games depict him as only able to make the same sounds as Rivals 2.
I might take the time to mention that one of my favorite type of villain death scene is lava. They're not that common, though. There's one in Bomberman 64, two in the second Swan Princess, one in Star Fox Assault, two in Beast Wars, one in Lord of the Rings, one in F-Zero, and Frollo kinda counts too.
Though if I remember right, the versions of Metal Sonic that died by lava were reformed, making it kinda sad.
That pretty much sums up the most logical explanation.
Agreed. I really didn't want to start this up again.
Also, I think in Sonic & Knuckles there was a Tunnelbot that fell into the lava.
I do listen, your arguments just don't convince me. I firmly believe what I do about the alternate versions and the Zeti's fate, as well as Metal Sonic (no need to debate this again, besides Eggman can always build another), though the Zavok thing is subject to change.
(Btw, maybe I was a bit harsh calling you "obnoxious" so I changed it to "stubborn")
To make a long story short, and returning to the point of the OP: Until further details in the game come up, we'll assume that Zor is dead but Zavok's giant powered-up form enabled him to survive the lava and he gave up his apocalyptic plans before being controlled by Eggman again. That, or it's an exclusive sequel to the 3DS version like Runners is to the DS Colors.
I'm not the one who's not listening. You're just being stubborn. Doesn't the fact that one version of Colors has a character and battle that another doesn't mean anything? They can't BOTH be in the same continuity, and the one that would be least canon got a sequel. The differences are there, like two different dubs of the same anime, it's so obvious.
Obviously the Zeti's defeats don't mean anything coz your aversion to villain deaths leads you to believe they definitively survived even in the Wii U version, that they were hiding the ability to teleport and did so while laying on the ground, with nothing to go on for five of them except something Eggman said when he didn't even witness the final battle.
Forget the fact that I've got an explanation as to how Zavok could still be alive and even suspected the possibility all along.
How about my other unusual interest? Are you going to tell me Tails doesn't have two tails and use them to fly? I doubt you can find an alternate explanation to that.
However bad the movie is, and however it affects anyone else, it won't ruin the series for me. Please stop trying to do so yourself. After April it might be the only one of my three favorite series that I can still enjoy. I need anything I can get to ease my depression.
I said "there's no need to debate this again", but since you ignored that: There are significant differences between versions of games, especially Sonic Colors, whose DS version has Mother Wisp, which is referenced in Sonic Runners, but the Wii version doesn't have her, so either the two versions of Colors are parallel continuities with Runners taking place in one, or the DS version AND Runners are non-canon. And again, the two versions of Lost World, the Wii U version shows four of the Zeti exploding in a puff of smoke, and the other two falling into lava, where they retreat in the 3DS version. That makes QUITE a big difference to them.
Why is this so hard for you to grasp? It's like talking to a wall, no matter how clearly I try to explain something you just don't get it! Even with the thing about the 06 split timeline theory, a lot of our heated debate could have been avoided if you'd mentioned Shadow's first scene in Last Story, which I overlooked coz I didn't look past Mephiles absorbing Iblis on my transcript until recently, forgetting it showed where each character was before Solaris started consuming the timeline.
If any of them are still alive it's Zavok, since his giant form could potentially grant him resistance to lava. End of story. Zor mentioned "death's cold embrace" as if welcoming his oncoming death, and the other four lay still and exploded in a puff of smoke (none having displayed teleportation abilities before), and I must admit I wasn't 100% sure Zavok was dead since Bowser was killed by lava in New Super Mario Bros. but is immune to it in giant form (New Super Mario Bros. Wii).
If anything I think you're trying to go out of your way to take away satisfying moments for me and I really don't appreciate it. Already my other two favorite series are running the risk of undoing stuff, and satisfaction for me is in critical short supply these days. And I'm suffering from mild depression, which can flare up at the slightest thing, so I need anything I can get that can make me feel CLOSE to positive. Is there a single villain you think IS dead in ANY series? Palpatine? Voldemort? Joffrey? Dimentio? G1 Tirek? Naraku? Myotismon? Jack Nicholson's Joker?
At LEAST this time there's proof to back it up, unless there's more to it like in Forces.
And btw, Zero? Don't you mean Zeti?
All right, I'm convinced, and I hope you're right.
Not quite. I'm worried that people who liked the Sonic games will lose all love for them because they'll feel the movie ruined the franchise for them and destroyed Sonic's reputation worse than 06.
It's not just Batman either, based on your avatar I assume you're familiar with MLP, and people devoted to it renounced it entirely because it did something they disliked, including stuff like giving Twilight a pair of wings, which is quite a silly reason to just give up on the previous seasons that they did like. Another of my friends did the same thing on announcement of something of Season 9, despite having remained loyal to Seasons 1-8 through S8's flaws up until then. I fear Season 9 might undo one of the show's most powerful moments, but I'll just ignore THAT season and continue to acknowledge and rewatch the rest.
Yes to what? That the games before 06 only transpired in the revised timeline?
Another thing that would debunk my split timeline theory is Blaze's absence from the fight with Solaris, which is due to her sacrifice in the Iblis future