User talk:Supermorff

Adding categories to Dark Valley, you say??
Well... thanks. I'd clearly dropped the ball and forgotten them there. But in due course, I'd like to ask your opinion on the Locations vs. Game stages categories.

You would think they would overlap lots, wouldn't you? And, indeed, they do. What I've been doing (when I remember to add them at all!) is stick "Game stages" on everything that is... well, a named level or zone. And stick Locations on things when they become MORE than just one level - like Green Hill, which has been in many, many games, and so clearly becomes a Plot Element instead of just a random stage. Also, Soleanna, which isn't a specific named level ever, but is clearly a location.

Which generally boils down to: if it's NEVER been a game stage, it gets just location. If it's ONCE been a game stage, it gets Game Stage. If it's been a game stage more than once, it gets Location AND Game stage.

Do you think this makes any sense at all? I would like to try and hammer out (at some point) an SNN "best practice procedure" for Game Stage category vs. Location categoty, and so your sage thoughts on the matter would be much appreciated. :D The Doctor... IS IN Molten Scandium  00:28, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I think there are two things to consider here: namely the short-term and long-term methods for dealing with this little difficulty. Short-term, your solution is pretty good. It means at the very least that every game stage is categorised as such, and every location is either in the Locations category or one of its subcats.
 * Long-term, I'm still slightly conflicted over the best way to deal with it. Fortunately, being long-term, we have some time yet to ponder it. I assure you I will give this some thought.
 * Oh, the one thing I would point out is that some "game stages" clearly aren't "locations" in the usual sense: e.g. Babylon Guardian is a character and boss stage, but the location where the boss battle takes place appears to be called the Digital Dimension. So that's something to keep an eye on in future as well. -- Supermorff 15:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

A query I have
Hello Supermorff,

I've been informed from Kagimizu that I should seek a mod about a query I have instead of actually trying to edit the articles themselves so I simply chose you out of random because I can't seem to find anyone in charge of this wiki as a whole admin.

Anyways, this topic is about the trivia sections on this site. I've been here at SNN for some time (I believe since June) and think this Sonic wiki is a good idea. A place where every fan can input info they find. I come to this site often to get info and listings. It's all good except for one section: trivia. When I look at the trivia sections, it's a complete mess. There is information in those sections on almost every page with trivia that should not belong. Some of them are fan speculations, others are hypothesis and guesses, and some are just dumb and pointless. At this time, I thought someone was not taking care of this and all this info was inputted by someone who had no idea what they were doing or what belong in the article or not. So I decided to edit them myself and clean up the trivia sections that had information not necessary. Well to my surprise, they kept reappearing. Every page I went, the info kept popping up. At first I thought it was some stubborn user but then it turned out it was none other than Kagimizu, a mod. It would be understandable if it was some user who did not know how to input info into a trivia section but if a mod approves of such info, then we got a problem here.

I'm a fan of the trivia sections. I love them because you get even more in depth info from the subject in question that you would not learn formally. But when I come to SNN, I am displeased to learn that almost anything is put into the trivia sections. It's as if no one knows how to do a trivia section properly and assume anything can be put in.

A trivia section is a section of an article where info that cannot be placed on the main article is placed on it's own section. This info is not important enough to be a part of the main section but still useful enough to be known so it should not be omitted. The information that goes into a trivia section adds and expands the article and gives more insight, knowledge, and description to the subject. Wikipedia's guidelines for trivia state that it's info that can not fit anywhere and the editor should try to look for a place to put it in. In other words, trivia is the last thing that should be worked on because you want to search for a place to fit the info on the article and add to it. If it can't be added, then it's considered trivial and thus, goes into it's own section.

But this does not apply to SNN. When I see an trivia section, I am seeing information that is quiet useless to know about such as comparing one character to another. I don't understand why I need to know about a trait that is more coincidental than it is about the development of the character. If one character has a trait that is similar to another, such as Blaze being similar to Knuckles in the fact that they are guardians of certain emeralds, then you must ask yourself "Why is this important to the article?" In the example I showed, how does that information help the Blaze article expand more and give insight to her. If it was stated by a employee at Sega that they got inspiration from Knuckles when modeling Blaze, than that would be considered trivia since you would not be able to fit it into the article itself but is important to the understanding of Blaze's development. But if it's just a coincidence that Blaze so happens to be like Knuckles in only that they share that trait and there is nothing to back up that they both share such a common feature besides it being a coincidence, than that is not trivia because it does not help the expand the article and it's pretty much just an observation someone made.

There are many common mistakes that are added to the trivia sections. Others being fan speculations, good obsevations that are not informative enough to warrant research, what people "think" might be, and stuff that is not informative at all and are just comments. These may be interesting to know but when I read them, they didn't add to the article I was reading and didn't help my research. It felt like I was reading a persons comment rather than an excerpt of the subject. If the item doesn't give you applied knowledge, it should not be included.

I believe that the trivia sections need a serious clean up. If a mod approves it, then that means that no one here knows how trivia should be done. Serious guidelines should be done for trivia and what it is, what should go in it, and so on. The other info is not important to be warranted as research. Though I have thought about why a mod would approve of it, I come to the conclusion that they consider it important to know. I came to this because I remember I edited out a bad trivia item when I was editing articles. When it was brought back though, that item was not. So there is some attention being put to the trivia sections but no real guideline. That is why I propose there be a new section: miscellaneous. Just what it means, anything and everything else that doesn't even fit in trivia. While trivia SHOULD still cover the article's items that are not important to be in the article itself but still important enough to be known, miscellaneous is just information that is not really important to know but have been observed and might be of interest one way or another. Observations that have bee noted like comparing one character to another (especially when the other character is not even from Sega) is not really trivia but can be put into miscellaneous. I think it would clean up the trivia section and make it more neat.

So that is my post. Sorry if it's huge but it should show you that I am serious about the trivia sections. I love them and hate to see this wiki mishandle them just because people don't understand what trivia means. Just because trivia means info that cannot be inserted into the main article, it does not mean ANYTHING can be placed under it. It should still contain information that adds to the article in a small way but gives you a bit more information about the subject that is necessary to know about. Anything that is simply observed or coincidences are not trivia unless it is backed up by a source of information that is not hearsay or guessing. If you want to have that information, then a good idea would be to make a separate section for them. This will help keep the article in order so when you get to the trivia section, it won't be a jumble mess and you will be able to tell what's actual fact and what is a possibility. --TKGB 07:27, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'm glad that you agree and was surprised to know that someone else has a concern about it. But that still doesn't solve anything. Isn't there anything that can be done about this? Simply editing it won't do since someone will just end up undoing it.--TKGB 00:28, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that's not entirely true. If we simply keep an eye on the articles and remove uneeded info, that should really clean up the Trivia.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 00:36, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well that would be ideal except that people don't understand what trivia is here. There is no guideline for that in this wiki and people just keep posting items unrelated to being trivia and it keeps being approved. So when you say "uneeded", what does that mean here? That's why I'm proposing two sections. That would be ideal to keep stuff that is still revelant to the subject and info that is are just hypothesis that people have (i.e. "...because of this, it is believed that...").--TKGB 00:47, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Well, Trivia already has its own "section" on pages, but seperate pages is too far. The way I see it, if the trivia is notable and relevant, it's fine by me. For example, some new trivia that was added to Amy's page was that "Amy is currently the only female hedgehog in the games". Stuff like that seems reasonable to me.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 00:52, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * See, that kind of information is not trivia. Firstly, what I suggested was not a new page but a new category for this kind of thing. Second, I don't think you understand the meaning of trivia. As I've said on the original long post I made for Supermorff, trivia is information that aids the article. It helps expand the article on knowledge about the subject. Don't you think that pointing out that Amy is the only female hedgehog is too loose to be considered helpful. If you approve of that, how about "Amy is currently the only pink female character". How about "Amy is currently the only character who wields a hammer". Or "Amy is currently the only character that was kidnapped by Metal Sonic" and "Amy is currently the only hedgehog whose design has changed drastically"? You have to ask yourself if the information is helpful in research and development of the character both ingame and real world, not just observations.

If you still can't understand what I mean, consider another subject. Let me use English as an example. Look at this site:

http://www.sentex.net/~ajy/facts/words.html

The site contains many information that can be considered trivia. So by your approval, one could put "As of today, the letter Y is the only one that can be used as both a vowel and a consonant." Yeah, thats nice but it's pretty obvious that most people know about it so it doesn't need to be written down. I hope you understand what I mean. --TKGB 06:13, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

In my books, if you have several strings of trivia related to each other, then those need to be clumped together to form a new section, as was the case with Silver when I first came here. Trivia is my biggest crib with this wikia and I'm a reglaur visitor here. I raised this issue recently, because Silver's trivia section was massive. I listed elsewhere several points and problems with trivia. In the end it comes down to this: Can it fit elsewhere on the page? If yes, then it doesn't belong in trivia. If not, then it belongs in trivia.

As a experience wikia peep, this wikia can be off putting at times, but I come here because I have long term issues with wikipedia (used to be a wikipedian until 2 years ago or so). At the very least, what someone needs to do is look at the largest section on the page other then trivia (not including galleries) and ask "Is the trivia section bigger then this?". If yes, something needs to be done ASAP, as I had to do with Silver's page. Regardless, I'm happy to see it finally being discussed, but there seems to be a problem with controlling it. If you have guidelines for trivia, that would help, if not, perhaps its time something was done. One-Winged Hawk 15:16, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Re: User masthead
Hey Supermorff. Sorry for the late reply. I just tested this code and it worked, so just add it to Monaco.css and hard refresh (Ctrl+F5).

color: #000000 !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs a {

color: #BA0000 !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs a.new {

background-color: #FFFFFF !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs li.selected a, #page_tabs li.selected a.new {

background-color: #EEEEEE !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs li a, #page_tabs li a.new {

body.masthead-regular #page_bar, body.masthead-special #page_bar { border-bottom: none; }

While we're talking about css colors, I was wondering if you'd want to make the text on the header buttons (GAMING and MORE) more visible. They're quite hard to read. If you want to change that text color, edit this item in Monaco.css:

/* this makes the background of those 'pill' buttons blue also */ .headerMenuButton dt, .headerMenuButton dd { background-image: url(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/help/images/3/3a/Sapphire_header_button.png); color: #808080; } Just change #808080 to white or a light gray (such as #DDDDDD, #CCCCCC, etc.) to match the color of the little down arrow. Let me know if you have any problems or need help with anything else. JoePlay ( talk ) 21:30, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * If you use Firefox, then Firebug is a very useful tool for troubleshooting css code used on the Monaco skin. JoePlay ( talk ) 19:57, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Eggman's eyes…
Of course that video showed Eggman's eyes. Very clearly it did, even. The camera was, at multiple times, at an angle that cleary revealed his eyes. Here's a screenshot someone took also showing it. Herman2000 19:41, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I disagree there, indeed. If it's in the game, it's obviously canon. Herman2000 01:19, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sir Frances Charles. His full name was revealed in SatAM. Trust me, I wouldn't lie. Watch SatAm to comfirm my sources though I can't remember which episode. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Just so you know, Comick (the one who made Sonic Switch) made a new short. It is based in the Sonic Switch plot and has a cameo of Scourge. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

You saw it? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

There are also two easter eggs. The first is one Knuckles' shoe (when Sonic fell to the ground) and on Rouge's breasts when everyone (except Sonic) was enjoying Scourge's dance. AND Comick also finished Sonic Switch and is working on "Sonic and the Crystal Egg. Hail to the king, baby! Sonic &amp;  Scrab  Master

Supermorff, I would like some help with the Sonic Cameoes page. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kaze no Kizu!  21:19, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I know of a few Sonic Cameoes in two Mario games, but I don't know how to work the graphs. The first is Harry Hedgehog from Super Mario World 2 and Yoshi's Island and take a look at this picture. Does anyone look familiar? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kaze no Kizu!  21:30, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Look at the portrait on the far left. It's easier to see it if you have the game. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kaze no Kizu!  21:50, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I think it was changed slightly to avoid copyright or something. Kinda like Mari-Oh. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kaze no Kizu!  22:01, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Mari-Oh] was a cancelled boss from Alex Kidd in Shinobi World. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kaze no Kizu!  22:06, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hey
How goes it, Supermorff? Sorry I didnt reply to your message right away. I saw it a few minutes after you left it but I really had to.... actually, you dont wanna know what I had to go do. I was also busy on a trip in another country. Guess where.

CANADA. Ontario, actually. Anyways can you help me delete some stuff? There's a bunch of unnecessary pictures that you can see in the speedy deletion page.

-- Eh, What's up Doc?   ~  DjWindmaster97  08:52, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Canada actually wasnt so bad. They've got nice neighborhoods, the street signs are in English, I saw Niagara Falls, and I went to the CN Tower in Toronto. However, there were a lot of Asian people there for reasons that are far beyond me.... And I dont mean the Korean-looking Asian, but Asians in general (Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Japanese etc).


 * And you dont have to rush yourself deleting those pictures. Most of them are just a bunch of tiny, lo-res pics that DiscoDuck uploaded (not to mention he never categorizes them).

-- Eh, What's up Doc?   ~  DjWindmaster97  09:23, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Merchandise Category
Hey, hey, hey. How's life, Supermorff? I just came back from a trip to Germany to visit some family members (not that I'm German), and since I was suffering from jet lag and everything was in Deutsch, I haven't been able to go online as much. But at least one of the few times that I went on the internet I was lucky enough to get the chance to vote for my favorite character (Knuckley Knuckles of course) in the Character Tournament.

Anyways, I wanted to ask you if I could make a category for images of all types of merchandise except for games. I once tried to make such a category, but was quickly shot down by another Admin who said that we already had a category for merchandise (the "Sonic Toy images" category I guess). I mostly want to make this category so that there's a place for the images in the Sonic Foods article. Maybe I should just make a "Foods" category?

-- Eh, What's up Doc?   ~  DjWindmaster97  18:02, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * So what category do you think I should put Merchandise in? I can only think of the "Images" category.
 * -- Eh, What's up Doc?   ~  DjWindmaster97  20:48, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Congrats on winning the featured user poll, you totally deserve it.Sonictoast 18:08, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed I noticed, and I must say week 3 is looking great, as always. I also really like how you always have the sneak peek of the following week (I did not mean for that whole sentence to rhyme). I plan to get movin on week 5's write ups soon. Sonictoast 20:59, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * yeah, for sure, actually, I believe we have two Sega super stars in week 5, so that'll be kinda nifty.Sonictoast 21:10, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

tourney update
I followed all your steps, I hit a little snag, but cleaned it up. I think I covered everything, but if you could look it over and make sure everything is right, that would be great. Let me know if I didn't do anything right, even if it is minor. and thanks for doing those write ups. Sonictoast 05:59, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

I need some advice
There is (or was) a discussion for merging the badnik page with the Eggman's robots page. There is no reason for the pages not to merge, and, at this point, no everyone has agreed that they should merge and there is no one saying they shouldn't. Of course, no one has actually stepped up to merge the pages. I would do it, but I want your advice on how I should go about it. I'm already going through the pages to see if anything needs to be moved from the Badniks page to the E.R. page. How does one go about a successful merge, redirecting all thinks and all that?Rogue General 21:17, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help.Rogue General 21:42, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

== Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round ~ ==

It is not just that arguement. Cloud has repeatedly gotten into fights with other Users.--Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:22, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

You can find 'em on Admiral's Mult's and his comic blogs.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:34, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

I saw his comments a bit differently, but okay.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:03, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

I will admit that both are my reasons. However, we have a Sandbox for a reason. On top of that, everyone contributes to this wiki, so all of them deserve to have a say in matters concerning the wiki itself, so we can see what the majority of the wiki feels would be best. If that means no changes are made, then so be it.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:32, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the sandbox is for editing and experimenting in a safe environment, I know that. What I'm saying is that the end results of those experiments could be shown to the community before making a decision, giving everyone a chance to think it over and come to a complete conclusion. I mean, what if we made a change that at first everyone enjoyed in the moment, but then in a matter of weeks or months, came to hate and complain about?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:47, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't you prefer to avoid all that grief in the first place?

There's also another thing I think we should talk about: Recent Releases. While I've been away, I've noticed that all mention of the upcoming comic books have been removed. You said it was because they weren't recently released, but upcoming. However, your most recent edit to the Main Page brings a bit of a contradiction to that reason. Since this is the Sonic Wiki focused on everything Sonic, perhaps the mention of the comics should be placed back in there. The months of the releases would be informative as well.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:54, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't want to make unilateral decisions, but this wiki does focus on all things Sonic. If it has red links, it just shows Users what we need and what they can do to contribute.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:17, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Morff, I heard you changed Cloud's ban to a mere 1 month. You do know that he stole copyrighted material and lied about it, don't you? On top of that, the original owner was furious, and demanded that Cloud be taken care of. Is 1 month really a decent ban? I decided against a permanent ban, but what he did is serious business. GM Tails was banned indefinitely, was he not?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 05:14, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Unfortunately, I'm mainly a gamer who often looks at M.E., so the more abstract/lesser-known characters will be difficult, like Molly was.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:16, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

XD Thanks.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:33, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Morff, why'd you change the stuff I put down for some of the battles?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:00, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay. It just seemed like you were thinking they weren't good enough or something.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:14, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Morff, I need you to give adminship privelages to my back-up account, Dragonbreaker. Someone tried to get the password for my main account changed, and it certainly wasn't me. So, in case anything happens to this account, I want to be able to continue my adminship duties on SNN.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:23, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I got an email that told me my password had been changed, and that the request had come from an IP. Considering the IP apparently comes from a telecommunications company in Canada, I'm pretty sure it wasn't me. That's why I want to get admin privelages on my back-up account; in case this one gets hijacked and has to be blocked.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:59, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

No I didn't. I did however block the ***** on here.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:06, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

58SlugDrones!
Can you do the tournament updates this week? Sonictoast 18:10, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Groovy, well I can do next week and probably the following two weeks as well.Sonictoast 21:38, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I invited Kagi to help write the descriptions on the User:Supermorff/Battles page. I thought we could use a little help, and he accepted.  I hope you're okay with that. Sonictoast 15:10, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Morff, I know I said I could do the change overs this week, but spur the moment I got a call and now I am traveling for a job interview this weekend and I do not know how much internet access I will have Sunday night. Is there anyway you could possibly do the updates this week? Sonictoast 04:52, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much.Sonictoast 13:22, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, SORRY!
Hi! Sorry about that...got confused, can you please explain to me how you can make a fan page seperate to the one I all ready have?

PS: REALLY sorry! -User:Boo-yah!101 2010 25 August

Oh, thank you! That helps alot!:) -User:Boo-yah!101 25 August 2010

Interview
Well, it's been a long time comin Supermorff. So, where do ya want to hold your Featured User interview? Can't be here on SNN.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 01:00, September 1, 2010 (UTC)