Board Thread:Speculation, Theories, and Rumors/@comment-679780-20160710203708/@comment-679780-20160711164411

NotLessOrEqual wrote: I prefer an Archie Comics theories than the Sega Universe theories.

In the Sega Universe (excluding TV shows etc.), so far there are only 3 known hedgehogs excluding silver (and Mephilese?) which leaves us with limited options to Sonic, Amy and Shadow. Here's the deal. It is a bit narrow minded to believe Sonic, Amy and Shadow are the only ones in all of Sonic's world in the Sega Universe. Sure I believe humans out-populate mobians but given new characters are often added to the series over time prooves that the world is shared with a variety of mobians.

NotLessOrEqual wrote: 1. If we are gonna take this the biological way of explanation, then we can rule out Shadow as being a possible genetic descendant of Silver. Main reason being is that he is a synthetic lifeform created in a lab, not just as a living being or creature, but sole primary purpose being a living, breathing weapon of war. Not initially recognised as a being, but a tool, or an experiment to an end, he is also immortal and cannot die or be "killed" under normal means. Thus, the need for capability to reproduce was not a consideration or factor biologically in his creation or function thereafter. So I doubt he could possibly under any circumstance be part of Silver's biological ancestral family tree. This is more of an "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" thing, more precisely what we can see between the male hedgehogs legs. It is never specified in the game that Gerald made him sterrile just because he is immortal. While no actual reproductive organs are seen on any of the bare naked male mobians throughout the series it is never implied they cannot reproduce because of it, that it's simply "cartoon logic" why they are naked and have no visable dangly bits.

Another thing Immortalty ≠ invincibility. While not considered more gameplay than canon, Shadow is capable of being killed just like any of the playable characters. When you take a hit without rings, Shadow dies. When you fall off the stage, Shadow dies, when you get crushed, Shadow Dies. Gameplay be pointless if Shadows immortality takes into account for this and allows you to cheat it. What can be regarded as canon is that many have tried to take a hit on Shadow, such as GUN, the Black Arms and at times Eggman, these three characters know Shadow better than anyone else and would not have tried to assault Shadow if they were sure if his invulnerabilities, thus while Shadow cannot die natually, he is can still be mortally wounded and die of irregular deaths.

As for his contribution to Silver's family tree, I'm not saying I believe Shadow and Amy are the very parents ancestors to Silvers family tree, but I do keep in mind that Shadow or any of his personal decendants may parent with Sonic or Amy's decendants along the way.

NotLessOrEqual wrote: 2. Thus, for the Sega Universe we are limiting our options down to those two hedgehogs since non other exists in the game as of the chronological timeline (yet) so it is plausible to say for now that Sonic and Amy could be direct far-off descendants of Silver unless Sega says otherwise (so far they have implied neither)

But that is way too simple, and the options are way limited. The only limit is that SOnic, Shadow and Amy know each other but thats about it. Sega may choose to introduce other hedgehogs in the future. Or if interspecies relationship and reproduction is possible (different animals of mobians parenting children) who knows if Silver is part animals other than hedgehog in his genes?

If Silve ris indeed pure-hedgehog in ancestry that just makes it a bit more like for Sonic, Amy or Shadows blood to get involved at some point.

NotLessOrEqual wrote: This is why I prefer the Archie Universe. They give us more information to work with.

In the Archie Universe, as  Megaladon commented, Hedgehogs are also a common Mobian species and thus we will be able to broaden our options. Excluding Shadow and Silver for obvious reasons, we open up to more Hedgehog species as candidates. Not only that, but the advent of Sonic Universe and Mobius X years later also confirms that Mobians and species can not only reproduce, but  also interbreed naturally. From the evidence given from said comic arcs and issues, we can see a pattern that offsprings between two separate species (say a Hedgehog and a Chipmunk ) usually result in twins, where the born-female is forced to take the species of the mother whilst the born-male takes the species of the father 95% of the time. We can see this as consitent through other characters such as Tails /Mina and even Vector /Argyle (We cant tell whether Argyle's mom was a croc like Vector or a whole different species, but since he was born both a male and takes the species of his father, this theory is still consitent). Born mixed-species is rare, not that I have seen it happen before in the comics. This is probably put there to ensure "mutants" dont occur in some way, I dunno. Nack the Weasel from the Archie Encyclopaedia notes that he is a Wolf/Weasel Hybrid. If my theory of Mobian reproduction is conistent, I can confidentally deduce that Nack's father was a Weasel whilst his mother was a Wolf, in this sense. Is this logic before or after the cosmic reset where lore is completely rewritten to be a bit more canon accurate?

NotLessOrEqual wrote: Since we are putting Silver all the way forward some 300+ years, then the Archie Universe's Silver could have ancestors relatives not only from Hedgehogs but possibly from a whole clusterf*** of different Mobian species ranging from possibly reptiles to birds and some others in between. It could possibly mean either up to him or his close parent relatives that either A. At least one of the mother or father were a species of a Hedgehog throughout the entire family tree until they got to Silver or B. The "Hedgehog" species gene which was once dormant, kicked in and a Hedgehog was born. In this case, both Silvers parents have the possibility of not even being Hedgehogs at all.

And there, ladies and gentleman, was Mobian biology 101. I should write a book about this. As said yes, Silver could be a mix of different Mobian species as well which all could contribute in his physiology. Hedgehog genes could be dominant while his psychokinesis could be from other factors.

NotLessOrEqual wrote: Anyway, that said, the only info we have for the Sega Universe to advance the theory further is that same-species reproduction is known to be possible with Cream and her mother, but cross-bred characters or species canonically noted not to have existed beforehand so far, so to keep it canon with the Sega universe, we might have to keep the theory of Mobian reproduction limited to same-species only and no cross-breeding. This is why the Archie Universe version of this theory would make more sense and gives us more evidence to work off of to support a particular theory.

Anyone care to refute or rebuttle? Well it's certain interspecies mobian romance is possible as such ships as Shadow or Knuckles and Rouge and Silver and Blaze are out there. Whenever it's possible for them to birth children yet is unconfirmed, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. For all we know Mobians reproduce by budding or something. Point is that Mobians consist of a diverse species of animals that possess human like physiology and intelligence that they can commune to one another with ease on a same level that romance between them is possible. It's possible that some mobians seek romantic interest with mobians of their same species while other mobians could be more open minded to find love with other species of mobians, I believe the Sonic games are pretty evident with both, such as Amy's interest in Sonic being hedgehog+hedgehog and Rouges interest in Knuckles being bat+echidna.