Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode I

Hoax?
I have my suspisions about this, if its released 2010, SEGA won't have a game for the 20th anniverery, i think its a wind up by gamespot.  Myself 123  12:03, September 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * I also have suspicions. The "teaser trailer" has no graphics that could not have been slapped together by Gamespot. However, I don't see any particular problems with having a page about it, as long as we make it clear that it was announced solely by Gamespot and that it has not been confirmed by Sega (apart from that one interview, also on Gamespot). Also, it would be good if we could find some secondary sources that suggest it may be a hoax, just for the sake of fairness. There must be some somewhere. -- Supermorff 18:07, September 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Its official. How would it end up on Sega's website anyway? http://www.sega.com/games/project-needlemouse/ http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2009/09/10/fans-take-a-guess-at-project-needlemouse/#more-2722 Sonixrulerz 07:25, September 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * The longer this goes on, the more I'm beginning to accept that it may be real. That said, your first link doesn't seem to have anything to do with Project Needlemouse. It just goes to the main Sega webpage. And the second is purely fan speculation. These don't particularly constitute proof. -- Supermorff 15:47, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Early Bird
Lucky I Searched before I started this article. As for authenticity... GameSpot report.--Mystic Monkey 20:45, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

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 * You made this? You didn't sign in, i'm still spectical though, i guess time will tell.  Myself 123  20:53, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't make it. I was going to because I thought nobody else did, but Searched to check if it's already an article.--Mystic Monkey 21:03, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh right that makes sense.  Myself 123  21:05, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

The reason SEGA is doing this...
...is because the fans control the games. Ever since Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) came out, Sonic's been getting bad ratings, so the fans have been complaining about the mass disappointment of the game. That they want Sonic to "go back to the old days". Well, NOW LOOK WHATCHA DID! Next thing you know SonAmy's gonna become a nightmare come to reality and we'll all hate it. This is just SEGA's way of "Saving Sonic" and it ain't workin'. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  05:29, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

My thoughts exactle shelly, my thoughts exactly-13sonicstar-

its the back of sonics head (just use microsoft paint to zoom in) by darksonic50

You mean the emblem? it's the sonic the hedgehog emblem as seen in sonic 1 upwards.  Myself 123  08:34, September 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Shelly you need to chil for god sake, sonamy wont happen because SEGA use it for comic releif, and do you not want needlemouse then?-- Skyler ' the ' Wasp 20:21, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Eh, I dunno. We don't even know the console it's gonna be on. And as for SonAmy, I just don't get why people support a coupling between a bezerk Sonic fangirl and the Blue Blur himself. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  04:16, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I personally like the idea of a casual romance, rather than all that luvey-dovey junk. I think that would work very well.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 04:20, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

I really don't like SonAmy. If Amy really wanted to be Sonic's boyfriend, she'd learn to ease up. Keep this up and she'll just scare Sonic away completely. She's too clingy. That's why I liked Elise better. But that's just my say. And I wish SEGA wouldn't worry about having to bring Sonic back to the past. His games are doing very well. They keep getting cooler each time. But, if SEGA is behind the Olympic Sonic/Mario crosses, why is Mario's name above Sonic's? --Narutoheroes12 02:20, October 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Alphabetical order.  Myself 123  17:36, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Im gonna say this. You all better god d*mn gratfull for a new sonic game. I hope they just dont have Werehog. This could be one hell of a game, think about it a high def 2D sonic game, thats awsome. I my self im looking forward to this game. Dudes the list gets bigger and bigger for awsome games coming out in 2010 Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker, Metal Gear Solid Rising, Halo Reach and now this. Just reamber guys, Sonic 3 and Knuckles!!!!!!!!

-- 22:05, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Who added the characters?
I'm pretty sure no one has confirmed a single character for the game yet. They just announced it. --Narutoheroes12 23:22, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Well...other than Sonic of course... --Vae Infectus 01:54, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

I noticed Sonic's name is on the list, I wouldn't be suprise in the end it is just his name with his shaded face being revealed. But I must admit, that jaggedness next to him, i know what it's suppose to be but it looks more like a pikachu's tail to me, I could be just paranoid and well hope I am wrong about my suspicion. I would IRL cry if this is all a joax--Mystic Monkey  sez 02:30, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

classic Sonic
Can anyone confirm the rumors that Sonic and Robotnik are going back to their original, chubby designs for this game? Sonictoast 15:49, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Dude there not gonna do that!

-- 22:19, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Sonic Rush Style game
Based on the little info that's here, it looks like they're taking a Sonic Rush type approach, a 2D game with a few 2.5D moments as that seemed to be more successful (Both Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure had decent ratings). As for everything else, plot, characters (other than Sonic), pure speculation. --Vae Infectus 01:14, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Hm, sounds reasonable. 3D side-scrolling game seems like what they're gonna do.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 01:21, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

That and the Werehog gameplay in Sonic Unleashed and Sonic's sword weilding antics in Sonic and the Black Knight weren't too popular --Vae Infectus 23:50, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to see them do it with 3d graphics like the bits in Unleashed.  Myself <font color="Black">123  00:05, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd like to see that too, but with way more speed. In Sonic Unleashed and SatBK, there was a noticeable lag between 3D and 2D speed.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 00:19, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Now I'm usually open-minded with Sonic games, but 3D sidescrolling is what closes it up! Can't people get the fact that it belongs with Smash Bros.? COME ON!!-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 02:03, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

i think a 3D side scroller would work for a sonic game-- Cyrus The  Hedgehog 19:24, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Revival type game
You know, I'm a little suspicious about this. I mean, it could work. But at the same time its sounding like what a lot of old metal bands have been doing, a "revival" of sorts, that usually doesn't work. Hopefully yeah, like others said, a Rush approach would be great.--Halofighter92 17:32, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

3D can be good
SEGA can make a good sonic 3D game,like sonic adventure1 that was good,after needlemouse remake sonic adventure1 & 2.they were good.they could port both games to 360

revival characters
they should bring back characters,here is a list of characters who should be revived.1 fang the sniper 2 mighty the armidillo 3 metal sonic 4 egg robo.user:retardedNHS

What about Ray the Squirrel? Sonic & Scrab  Master  19:18, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

What!? no not ray or mighty the bolth suck, if they are gonna revive a character it should be fang the sniper, i mean come on they are bolth cheap ripoffs of sonic, tails and knuckles--13sonicstar F**k you! They're great characters. Though Ray only had one appearence in the games. G30FF!

See its because of retro fans that sonic is going back to its roots,im not saying that i hate those old games but all you did was jump around and run to one direccion, and also mighty and ray didnt have so much personality (only in comics).--13sonicstar--

Well i do agree with you User:13sonicstar -- User:Michaeldragon800

Why thank you, at least someone agrees--13sonicstar--

G30FF: Yeah yeah. (snaps 13sonic's neck) Sonic &  Scrab  Master

Well they should limit the pool of other Sonic characters for this one. One of the problems the Sonic series has had is WAY too many side characters end up taking the spotlight(Sonic 06, for example). I don't mind other characters, Tails should be in there as always, Knuckles & maybe Blaze because everyone loves her and the Rush games.--Halofighter92 07:25, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Definatly Fang, he deserves a revival most. But mighty may return, if a sh**ty character like charmy gets revived then so can ray User:RetardedNHS half past your mum

Download Only
It seems as if there is an increasing chance that this game is download-only. THis game may also be the reason why there were rumours of an HD Wii-- Milo the  echidna  18:38, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm, I think that this game would be a remake of first game Sonic the Hedgehog as guessed then having it for download would be a good mood! Noticed Super Mario Bros for the Wii? It ?!$$€$ me of when critics call Sonic's latest games an "answer" to Mario's games. If Needlemouse is a remake of Sonic 1, yet downloaded for main console than brought in shop then if Needlemouse is an "answer" to SMBwii it won't just be subtle, but also an oppotunity for a new series of Sonic games for sequals like Sonic the Hedgehog 2 or 3/ plus if it sucks, won't directly critisize the main Sonic games. My oppinion though.--<font color="#66DDAA">Mystic Monkey  sez 02:25, January 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nonsence this game is not going to be a remake of the first Sonic game, Besides they say its going to be a BRAND NEW 2D Adventure, Meaning its going to be a new adventure, not a remake. -- User:Michaeldragon800

I'm pretty sure it will only be downloadable. I doubt Sega would sell 2D gameplay games in boxes now, except for Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure. But those two games were made for the DS, so people couldn't download them into their DS. Maybe it will be downloadable to the DSi and Wii. Xsonicdragon 05:11, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Logo comparison
I was looking at the Needlemouse logo and suddenly thought the logo looked similar to the 1991 Sonic game logo, I went in to paint and put the the two pictures together so you can judge for yourself. - RASICTalk 15:19, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

The day I saw the picture at the bottom, I knew it looked the the 1991 Sonic logo. I still think SEGA's just setting fans up for disappointment, and pretty much nothing anyone can say will change my mind. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 04:02, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Small Problem
We have a tiny hiccup at the Sonic Stadium: There's some kind of war going on. Which means we might not get the news until later. Sonic & Scrab  Master

It's an Shellcracker...
Please i need to shove it in your face? (Look at the details CAREFULLY) and read the (カニパンチ) an Punch Crab, Shellcracker japanese name on the pic. CookiePinguy 20:33, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Only Sonic?
Okay, we all know that Sonic is going to be playable, but I think we all were specting at least two characters, I mean... If they were rejecting characters, they should say at first that only one character is going to make it to the game...

If they have done that, It should be pretty obvious...

Still, I like the idea of a 2-D game

And they said in the final post that Sonic is indeed the only player character and an the only character to make to the game (excepting Dr. "Eggman" Robotnik, probabbly). They said it was an return to the roots, and the root of roots is an Sonic game vs Robotnik and his badniks, that until now is that what P. Needlemouse seems to be. --CookiePinguy 10:55, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * The whole thing was just to "troll" a little with purists that can't see characters like Big in a sonic game, and an exelent marketing scheeme to make people know about P. Needlemouse and Sega's channels of information.

WHAT?! JUST SONIC, no one else?!?! I knew this game was going to be a rip-off! Thanks, but no thanks, Sega! Two words for ya: EPIC! FAIL!! -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 06:59, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Oh come on Shelly just because Sonic is the only palyable character in this game does'nt mean its going to suck. -- User:Michaeldragon800

really who did'nt see that it would be just sonic? Cyrus The  Hedgehog 11:17, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Shelly, i think it's obvious you are from another generation of sonic fans (i was 6 when i played the first sonic ever), some of the new games, for me aren't like the old ones they have too much cutsceen and the gameplay focus in just being fast on almost an single line with a bit of plataforming here and there, nothing like the simple fun of exploring big stages on sonic's shoes. But you know i still love some new games like Rush Adventure and others. Give it a try you may like it and have fun like i had when i was an child, you know because even if our tastes are very diffrent, we have something important in common, the love to run with sonic shoes with an plastic controler. CookiePinguy 19:53, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

This game was aimed at the classic gamers, Shelly, the ones who grew up with him. There's only so much Sega can do to please all of the fans. Now, they're focusing on older ones. Ash-Kun 23:42, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

This game
i probably might buy this game but if all games are like this from here on out, with sonic being short and fat and eggman being robotnik and nobody talking and especially the lack of story, i just might not play sonic anymore =( -13sonicstar-

As if someone cared... Just buy the ones you like. CookiePinguy 20:30, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

ok for starters its my opinion and second i like the retro sonic games but i just think that they are past their time, just compare sonic unleashed and sonic 1, now if sega gets the idea and meets the miidle for bolth types of fans they wouldent have gone thorugh all that trouble and make retro sonic games and 3d sonic games-13sonicstar-

You people make a mess of everything, As if the characters talking or not matter, as if the good old doc use "Robotnik" or "Eggman", the only problem the games have is gameplay issues and how the games are made. Belive me, no one bitching how silly Mario characters are, the game is fun and fluid an that's what matter. Sonic should follow the same way, investing in gameplay whatever it has big or silver or whatever. --CookiePinguy 20:36, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

the Sonic the Hedgehog Game thing fits inside of the Needlemouse logo witch mean that it must Be Sonic

the Hedgehog (I hope its like Super Mario Bros Wii) Nero the Hedgehog  Lets Rock...  07:55, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

The only reason why Sega is doing this game is because they felt jealous because Nintendo was making New Super Mario Bros. Wii-Ohmygod123

Sega is an business corporation, not an angry kid, belive me that's the least of their reasons. CookiePinguy 20:02, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Could be. This is supposed to be like a blast from the past to alot of the classic gamers. Its much hyped, and to say the least, I'm thinking its going to be far from what New Super Mario Bros. Wii is. I'm having a bit of a time trying to piece together what you guys are on about. Ash-Kun 23:35, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

This game is likely to be canceled
On the account that this game is not going to be pleasing anyone. At all. Apparently, some of the hardcore fans couldn't even recognize the title logo from the golden days. The problem isn't so much of the quality of the games themselves as it is the fanbase itself having impossibly high standards for every single solitary new entry into the franchise, expecting everything to live up to the 'good old days'. Cause y'know, it could only be good if it's 2D and nothing else. But even arises to the problem that even those this game is going to be 2D, the impossibly high expectations rise about this BECAUSE it's 2D. Because people are going to want something that is exactly like those old games. And when people do it play, guess what happens: ''IT'S NOTHING LIKE TEH ORIGINALZ!1 IT SUX TEH OL GAYMZ WER BETR'. Sega tries and tries their best to please. Always doing something new and different with each game, but to no avail. ''

But what's the point? Even with Sonic Unleashed's success, it'll be futile in the end as the 'hardcore' gamers are naught but solely intent on hating everything that's new. It comes to a point that we must ask ourselves: How many of us are even fans anymore? How many of us are just being hypocritical bundles of misery with impossibly high standards trying to pass ourselves off as 'true fans' who know naught but hate? Why should our fanbase had to have mutated into a cesspool of hate over one single solitary game and how a character's voice sounds? Seriously? What happened? That was nearly four years ago. We are no longer in the 90s. This is the here and now and Sonic is making a good comeback. If you want Sonic to be good again, stop amountin' everything to the first three games. The whole main point of Sonic is the thrill of speed, not copy-pasta over nostalgia. Kaihedgie 22:38, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I highly doubt it's going to be cancelled. If they cancelled games because people are being pissy about what they supposedly like, no game since, say, Heroes would have been made anymore at all. They do keep on making this though, because of the undoubtedly high potential of cashing in big time with this title. The likelyhood for cancellation is not any higher than with any other title here. Herman2000 22:47, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

But the problem is, is that everyone has completely different opinions about how this and that should be done, all with ridiculous standards. There's no way to fulfill everyone's wishes and then get some significant backlash these days. Not only do you have the 'hardcore' gamers that want only Sonic and Eggman, you also have other 'hardcore' people who want their favorites in the game, which amounts to a heated conflict about who wants what Kaihedgie 22:50, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

"all with ridiculous standards". Just because one small group of idiots scream doesn't mean it represents everyone.

I think your mixing every oldschool sonic fan into the same bag, every series (not just in video-games) have it's "purists", an Sonic isn't an expetion there are Sonic 1 purists that think only Sonic/Robotnik, Sonic 2 purists that can't see sonic with green eyes, SATAM purists that somehow think the game's universe it the same and always bitch about Robotnik. The truth is that "Sonic Team" over the years changed too much, and the quallity of the games was always decressing in general, Bad and faulty gameplay for an standart name in plataforming that was in the level of the mighty Super Mario, and maybe better in some minds, and Sega's business model on nowadays focus too much on unnecessary things like creation of character just to make innocent children go "OH MY GOD NEW GUY" without propose instead of using an steady group of character and create character if one paper was needed like in old games and not exagerate, (We need an rival, we need Knuckles. for example. In Unleashed Chip could be an better character if he did only the paper needed to that story, the paper of Light Gaia, Sonic sidekick we already have Tails.) Sega just care now to make quick buck with low quallity tittles. in general people want an 2-D sonic because it worked, if sega cared to make an quallity tittle on par for example Mario Gallaxy, only those small group of purists would scream and bitch, belive me. And if Needlemouse it's an 2-d classic sonic-like (alternative ways, pinball mechanics, focus on mommentum, basics of Mega Drive sonic games) it will be good game even if it isn't as good like the "almighty Sonic 2" people will like it and only stupid purits will scream there. If you find hard to belive, just see good recent example that seperated real old fans from fanboys (read "hateboys"), Mega Man 9 and New Super Mario Bros. Wii, it's was generally acepted with so much people and financial sucesses, and yes purists did scream (and some scream really high like some IGN guy stating that "Nintendo was lazy") and people forgot and didn't care and continued to play CookiePinguy 12:50, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Ok you may say "Mario was always good", but Mega Man no, and it was (and it's still is a bit) in the same position as Sonic in recent times, good game here and there, but generally quick buck products (It's Capcom). CookiePinguy 12:57, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

The question is, will it work now?? Expectations are, as I've said, are ridiculous. It will most likely never live it up to mundane standards. Apparently, it's cool to hate. Of course, Sonic 06 was bad, but people also like to apparently forget about the Rush and Rival series, both of which were 2D, and yet ended up overshadowed by tard rage. The Dark Brotherhood was also fairly good as well and of course the inception of Sonic in the Smash series. So no, it doesn't matter. At all. People will rage and moan and whine, and this small portion is growing. Kaihedgie 18:11, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Y'know, the points "CookiePinguy" itself could be seen as a perfectly fine example of what "Kaihedgie" is trying to say… Herman2000 00:10, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

it seem's to me that sega are not taking time to ask the players what they would like to see within a sonic game. i personally would like to see a sonic game like SA but enable's the player to be able to create and custemize their own character. who woulden't like to play as there favorate character or even there own character. Cyrus The  Hedgehog 00:34, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea, but it's just too good to be true. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 03:42, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Taking ideas from the fans, as I've said, is not a good idea at all. Tempting as it maybe, there are too many idealistic suggestions that conflict with each other, some vocal and others adamant about it. It just wouldn't work. Kaihedgie 07:44, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

@Herman2000, See you already joined me in the "same bag" club, just because i think Sonic have some defects now, doesn't mean i hate them and doesn't mean that the old ones are 100% perfect. Maybe because you don't know me, and that understandable. I have various of those games, from Sonic Heroes to Sonic Unleashed, some i bought at full price when they were released, and for me they were all good purchases, some even love on par of the old games, when some kids come to home asking if they can play them, i don't act like an priest and say that they are evil or something, i showed both old and new games to them and they loved every single of them, i have friends from that era too that loved Unleashed for example. and I have an feeling that i will like Project Needlemouse whatever things wrong it have.

And @Shelly the Hedgehog, you said probabbly that about the "cancelation" of Project Needlemouse, considering your words up there, if not then i'm sorry and ignore this. May because your an kid/teen and all and nothing is wrong about that, but your acting like those "elitists" that bash a game without knowing much about it and without EVEN trying, like those people that say bad things about the sonic games you like, be carefull with that. CookiePinguy 10:44, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

HyperHarry: I dont think that Project Needlemouse should be cancelled because is'nt it what all Sonic fans wanted for a long time, around 10 years in fact. So you should let SEGA take there time and see what comes out in the end

Some bugs
Hello, I work for Sega, Josh Spencer. I wish to share with you that Project Needlemouse has MILLIONS of bugs. It'll be delayed for quite some time. You guys shouldn't even know about it. Yet.

O.K. forgeting that needlemouse exists....now. what were we talking about Cyrus The  Hedgehog  13:25, January 20, 2010 (UTC)