Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog series

Does anyone ever read this? Anyway, I noticed that the instruction manual for Triple Trouble states that Robotnik has once again tricked Knuckles in to believing that Sonic was after the Chaos Emeralds for evil. This changes up the timeline a bit. Now, we can place Triple Trouble after Sonic and Knuckles, and, perhaps, Sonic 2 can be bumped up a bit to come right before Sonic 3. is that us or japan?

what does oneiromancy have to do with the section of the page?


 * I don't know, but I assume it was a joke. It has been removed. -- Supermorff 21:57, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Canon

 * I don't think the word "Canon" is being used properly on this page. Canon is a work that has been accepted as an authentic, published, text. I would agree that Sonic X-treme and crackers are not canon because they were never released, but things like Olympic games, and mean bean machine I think are canon. Just because they don't fit into a speculative continuity does not mean they are not official texts. Sonictoast 15:16, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Rather depends, really. You can take something as canon with respect to a certain continuity. Sonic canon, in general and using the definition you provide, is huge and encompasses all the comics, all the games and all the TV series. The "Sonic games canon", as we generally define it on this wiki (and as other sites tend to), means that something takes place within the continuity established in the main games of the Sonic game series. Mean Bean Machine takes place within the continuity of the Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog TV series. -- Supermorff 17:57, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Well said Supermorff. Sonictoast 22:46, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Sonic 06 ≠ Sonic Rush
Well, it is speculated there are two blazes. Or Sonic 06 is not canon. Or Sonic Team failed to explain.

I doubt Blaze was sealed into SRA's world. Because when she is, she is shown a place with lovely grass... but in SRA, its all sandy and foresty ETC.

But.....


 * That doesn't mean anything. We're talking about another dimension, not just another little area. She could have travelled to another place within that dimension. In Sonic Rush Adventure, there are so many various settings and islands, just like how Earth has varying areas. Diamonddeath 01:32, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

LittleBigPlanet
I don't know if this is the right place to mention but I was looking at the LittleBigPlanet wiki and I found this:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/littlebigplanet/images/7/73/Little_Big_Planet_Sonic_Pack.png

I'm a little annoyed that they chose the werehog over a certain black &amp; red hedgehog, but what can ya do?  Myself 123  19:39, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Themes
Should we have a section regarding the themes of the sonic series? Although largely absent now, the main theme of the early Sonic games was Nature Vs Man, with sonic being a hedgehog, and Eggman wanting to replace the world with machines and capturing animals and turning them into robots. Sonic CD shows this heavily, with the natural phenomenon, little planet, being tethered in place, and the bad future showing the planet ruined by Eggman's influence. Sonic Chronicles also references it too with Eggman's quote "There wasn't nearly as much flower-sniffing and puppy-hugging as I thought there was going to be".  Myself 123  14:41, July 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not sure. Can you find some references from creators that this was intended, because if we rely on evidence from the games alone it'll end up as a page full of speculation and original research. Also, can you think of any other themes, because if this is the only one that it might also not make for a great article. -- Supermorff 19:21, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Unleashed, colors and Chronicles
I believe that SEGA intended Chronicles to be directly after unleashed. Knuckles and the others are always saying that Sonic has been gone for "a long time", referring to him being off on his world adventure with Chip. They all also believe Robotnik is dead referring to when he was attacked by Dark Gaia. We know that Robotnik was okay in the end, but Sonic did not see him crash in the desert and did not know he lived. Surely this is evidence that Sonic Chronicles goes directly after Sonic Unleashed. However, that leaves a predicament as to where to fit Sonic Colors. Perhaps Colors goes before Unleashed. It would explain why Unleashed begins in Outer Space.Sonictoast 03:43, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Don't know how effective it is to answer almost 8 months later, but I think the reason they thought Robotnik was dead was because of the huge explosion on his airship, followed by it crashlanding in Metropolis, which was shown in the intro of the game. After that, Sonic took a long vacation and went exploring n' stuff.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 15:16, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Colors goes after Unleashed and before Generations, since Eggman makes reference to his defeat in Colors that directly leads to the plot of Generations (not trying to give away too many spoilers of course). After all, the levels listed seem to be in chronological order: Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic and Knuckles, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Sonic 2006 (although the events of this game were erased, Time Eater must be really powerful), Sonic Unleashed, and Sonic Colors. Of course, this isn't all the games, but Unleashed must be before Colors, which is directly before Generations. Ghostkaiba297 18:55, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

I believe that Colors happens before Unleashed, because as said before Unleashed begins in outer space. My main reason for thinking this however, is because Sonic doesn't seem to know what the Boost technique is. In one of the cutscenes him and Tails talk about the White Wisps having energy they've never seen before, for example when Tails says "Yeah, and remember all of that energy you got from just one of them?" while he's explaining Hyper Go-On energy. Because of this, I believe Sonic gradually learned to boost by himself without the need of White Wisps to help him and could harness the power of Super Sonic without even transforming. And, thus, Unleashed. BxBright 00:29, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Overhaul
Okay, the Sonic Free Riders description, at the very least, needs a big-time redo. It's total speculation on the events and timeline, instead of actually describing the game's plot like the others!--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 15:13, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sonic CD
Well I got a problem with the place of Sonic CD. The game involve Metal Sonic, Dr. Robotnik's best creations and Sonic CD is before Sonic 2 but in Sonic 2 we can see Mecha Sonic which is clearly inferior to Metal Sonic. The Mecha Sonic from Sonic and Knuckles is best but not as good as Metal Sonic... So either has Robotnik completely forgot how to build Metal Sonic or either he didn't already created him...So I think the best place is after Sonic and Knuckles I think after such an adventure he did get on vacation with Amy.^^ (Sonic already knows Amy on the manual story)78.230.48.89 15:47, August 26, 2011 (UTC)Noxyam


 * Wow, you beat me to it. The Mecha Sonic in Sonic 2 (called Silver Sonic) is destroyed, so Robotnik replaces him with Mecha Sonic in Sonic and Knuckles. Knuckles destroys Mecha Sonic, so in Sonic CD, Robotnik replaces him with Metal Sonic, who survives up until Sonic Generations. Ghostkaiba297 18:48, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Sonic Advance
I don't really understand why the appearance of the red Tornado goes as a reason for the placement of Sonic Advance before Sonic Adventure because in articles of this Wiki itself is told that Tails repeared his old plane after the end of Sonic Adventure. 84.63.240.164 14:29, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

SegaSonic the Hedgehog's Placement
I noticed that SegaSonic the Hedgehog has been moved to the first slot. Where was it ever mentioned that Sonic and Robotnik met before the events of the first game? In SegaSonic the Hedgehog, I am pretty sure that Robotnik captures Sonic because he has already caused trouble for him and not necessarily because it was just a random kidnapping. It would seem that the entire island was meant to get rid of Sonic, so it couldn't be the first in the series. As for Mighty and Ray, they were probably just with Sonic at the time he was taken. The story leading into the game is a bit unclear. I'm moving the arcade game to a later point in the timeline until further notice. Diamonddeath 04:12, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Storybook saga
due to sonic mentioning the Secret rings game on Sonic Generations it means the game took place before generations So i guess we should put the storubook saga as Saga 10 while the Planetary Problems as Saga 11 due to the events of secret rings happening before those games

I haven't played it yet, but I find this interesting. What exactly does he say? We might have to wind up placing it earlier in the timeline, then. We might even have to remove the Storybook Saga completely and just place the two games within their respective sagas. Diamonddeath 14:29, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Sonic Generations Timeline Issue
For Modern Sonic it's currently the last [released] game in the timeline minus Chronicles, but how about for Classic???


 * Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode II will feature Classic Sonic, as it is set shortly after Sonic 4 Episode I, which is shortly after Sonic and Knuckles. Chronologically, Classic Sonic arrived in the limbo of Generations from the first level in the first Sonic the Hedgehog, possibly even before his first fight with Robotnik. Ghostkaiba297 18:51, November 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * One, this timeline doesn't state that. Two, then where did Classic Tails come from?

It's possible that Classic Sonic was just passing through Green Hill Zone. He seems to run around to various places quite often. Diamonddeath 01:15, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

It is possible but the important thing is which point in the timeline it takes place in, which MUST be before Sonic Pocket Adventure if the costume change within it affects anything. Although this game's plot does a major screwing with the timeline everyone worked so hard on.

Rush and Rivals
Assuming the Eggman Nega in the Rivals series is the same as the one in Rush, Rush and Rush Adventure would have to take place before Rivals and Rivals 2, because Eggman Nega is on Eggman's side in Rush, but at the end of Sonic Rush Adventure, they seem to turn against each other when Eggman Nega tries to blow up the world, and in Rivals, he is Eggman's enemy. (Although because Eggman Nega in Rivals wants Eggman out of the timeline because of his failures disrupting his line of scientists, I believe it's a different one than the Sol counterpart in Rush). As for Blaze and Silver, Rivals has to take place after the events of Sonic 2006 were erased, otherwise Silver would have recognized Sonic in 2006, and not recognized him in Generations. I'm not sure whether Rush takes place before 2006 would, though. Ghostkaiba297 19:05, November 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * About Eggman Nega, it is possible that he teamed up with Dr. Eggman after his defeat in both Sonic Rivals and Sonic Rivals 2. He probably realized what made Dr. Eggman constantly fail and decided to team up with him in order to win. As for Rivals taking place after Sonic 2006, you're right, and that's why I arranged it as such. As for Generations, I haven't played it yet, but I'm assuming that Silver didn't recognize Sonic from Sonic 2006 (since those events were erased) but rather from Rivals 1 and 2, since Rivals was the first time that they met thanks to the events of Sonic 2006 being erased. Diamonddeath 01:21, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * You assume correctly about Silver. As for Eggman Nega, how could he have escaped the Ifrit's dimension in Rivals 2 when it can only be opened from the outside, and no one outside is on his side? (Sure, he escaped from his imprisonment in a card in the first Rivals, but anyone could have just released him by mistake, maybe Metal Sonic before Eggman reprogrammed him) Ghostkaiba297 06:20, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

I figured that maybe the Ifrit's dimension was somehow connected to Blaze's world. Perhaps Ifrit and its dimension was made from Iblis inside of her (if it was still there). Perhaps is was removed or somehow got thrown into an alternate dimension. Of course, I know that is speculative, but so is this timeline (aside from the placements that are kind of obvious). 67.84.95.51 06:05, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sonic Generations (Classic Continuity) ?
After Sonic 3, Sonic and Tails flew to South Island, where Sonics "House" is. While Tails stayed at the house, fixing up the Tornado, Sonic decided to Take a Quick run through Green Hill, then visit Splash Hill Zone, another part of GHZ That he never visited before, Before he was able to get to Splash Hill, a black Time Anomoly came and captured Green Hill, With Sonic and Tails in it.

After the Events of Sonic Generations, (I believe Sonic and Tails lost all memory of the events, while their future selves still remember) Sonic had ended up back at the end of Green Hill, and on his way to Splash Hill. Unknown to Sonic at this point, Sonic's eyes had started to develop Emerald Green Irises, the rest of body was going through puberty for the first time (His limbs got longer, His quills grew longer and sharper, his fur got slightly darker). And He had somehow thought of a new skill. The Homing Attack. Where he learned it was a mystery to him, But he can now see, or feel, The location of everything around him, and can focus, or lock on, to his opponents, and home-in, on them.

Then Sonic Pocket Adventure starts.

There, The Sonic 1-CD-2-3K-4 is all fixed!

Here's something I've pasted from a forum member at SEGA forums, thesoniczone11, I believe it should be implemented as currently there's nothing for Classic Sonic in Generations. BxBright 00:29, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Good theory, but far too specualtive to put on the page.  Myself 123  00:35, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

The 3DS version of Sonic Generations tells of how Classic Sonic is taught the homing attack, and slowly taught the boost as well, from his modern self. This can expand on this theory. 79.77.216.5 19:30, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Seperate Page
This page should be seperated because this timeline's getting too big - half the page is just for the unofficial timeline.

Sonic Dimensions
Why was this game removed from the timeline? Diamonddeath 01:23, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Because it doesn't exist.  Myself 123  01:26, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

It's supposedly in development. Diamonddeath 01:29, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Proof?  Myself 123  01:37, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Other than what I already posted as a reference, no. Are rumors taken as speculative? Diamonddeath 14:27, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Rumors are rumors, I could dpread a rumor about a new sonic game, wouldn't make it true.  Myself 123  14:38, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Storybook series
I don't know how to word it, but it should be added that the two we have now take place before Sonic Generations. We know at least that Secret Rings does, as Sonic references it after GHZ act 2. "No stranger than rescuing genies in magic books..." --TheLairOfRockwhales 17:21, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that it's necessary to do that. It's pretty obvious that both storybook games occurred before Sonic Generations.

I'm all for placing the Storybook Adventures before Planetary Problems. It has to take place after Sonic Riders because of the character, Sir Lamorack, who is based on Jet, from Sonic and the Black Knight. 67.84.95.51 06:12, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

New characters for next year
Any more heroes and villians coming soon or not?

Sonic Advance
I think the Sonic Advance games take place after Sonic Adventure because Sonic gives Robotnik the name "Eggman" in Adventure, and in Sonic Advance 2, Tails calls him "Eggman" Ghostkaiba297 06:10, December 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * That doesn't necessarily mean that Advance 2 takes place after Adventure. Sonic could've come up with the term "Eggman" before Adventure, but after Advance.


 * Also, I think Sonic Advance and Sonic Advance 2 has to take place in canon, due to Sonic Adventure & Sonic Heroes featuring Cream, and Amy having knowledge of Cream in the latter. -uMadik Musik

Title Change
"The" in Sonic's name isn't capitalized. "The" is just a minor word and should only be capitalized in a title if it's the first word, so it was unnecessary to make that change to the title. 15:00, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Sonic's Speech
In relation to the Sonic timeline...

Classic Sonic doesn't talk, as proven from the release of Sonic Generations. Sonic CD however is a game where Sonic does speak - it's minor, but he says a few things during this time but in no other classic game I'm aware of. Could CD possibly there follow 4?

Sonic rush, rivals and sonic 06 timeline
'''Probably sonic rush was most likely after the events of sonic 06. The only reason sonic doesent remember blaze in sonic rush are because of the events at the end of sonic 06 where they erase iblis from happening. The same reason sonic did'nt remember silver in sonic rivals'''
 * The events were erased from the timeline, but Blaze was sent to another dimension. It's possible that the Iblis inside of her was erased or somehow formed into the Sol Emeralds, but that is just speculation. Silver wouldn't remember Sonic because the reset of the continuity prevented them from ever meeting. The same goes for Blaze. In the end, the result of '06 that was not reset was Blaze being sent to another dimension. Everything else seemed to be changed to have never happened. We know this because Blaze was not present when all of the timelines merged during the final battle. Blaze was not there because she was no longer a part of that dimension, timeline, or universe. Diamonddeath 01:00, February 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * And Blaze most likely lose her memories from going to the alternate dimension right? If she was "removed" from Sonic's dimension thus not being "erased" with the events of '06, she wouldn't have forgotten (is that gramatically correct...?) about Sonic, Silver and other events. Memory loss isn't such a big thing in videogames anyway... However, if this theory is ever proved "canonical" by Sega, I hope they'll explain how she became a princess. -- Hitsuji Mamoru 08:03, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Sonic Chronicles Leading Into Sonic Unleashed
It seems that Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood won't be getting its sequel anytime soon. In order to prevent the timeline from leaving off on a cliffhanger, I am considering moving it into the Planetary Problems saga before Sonic Unleashed. In the beginning of Sonic Unleashed, Sonic seems to be stopping Dr. Eggman from some sort of scheme as Super Sonic, which could be the continuation of Sonic Chronicles where Dr. Eggman takes over and Sonic has all of the Emeralds. I will be placing it there for the time being. I would like to hear what anyone else thinks about this. Diamonddeath 08:40, February 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * I like your theory however, if Sega want to make a sequel to Chronicles they can because Unleashed's intro is un-specific enough to make it happen anywhere. By the way I still think Chronicles needs a sequel because Shade goes back to Sonic's dimension with the team right? She could not disappear like nothing, this need a explanation. -- Hitsuji Mamoru 12:05, February 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sonic Chronicles goes after Sonic Unleashed. in the Chronicles storyline, everyone mentions that Sonic has been gone for a long time on his world adventure. Sonictoast 04:38, February 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I suppose that for now, Shade is living somewhere by herself or away from everyone else. Either that, or she just never makes an appearance after that. As for the placement in the timeline, Sonic's world adventure doesn't have to be referring to the game, Sonic Unleashed. Sonic saw his friends during Sonic Unleashed, so if that was the world adventure, then it wouldn't make sense, considering that nobody saw Sonic during his adventure. If Eggman didn't do anything in that time, then it would make sense for everyone to wonder what he had been up to since his last defeat and consider that his final defeat. Diamonddeath 03:27, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

We know that Chronicles happens last due to the fact that Classic Eggman states 'Do we ever win' and Eggman semi-won in Chronicles, also it states that Sonic has been away for a long time and that would mean it is a while after the others.DrNefarious 13:23, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

placement of games (IMPORTANT)
Sonic Triple Trouble, Knuckles' Chaotix, Sonic Drift 2, Sonic the Fighters and Sonic R are either Non-Canon or take place after Sonic the Hedgehog 4, due to the new backstory stating that Metal Sonic has been on the Little Planet the entire time.DrNefarious 04:47, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Though It's possible it was a second Metal Sonic.DrNefarious 04:48, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well, many of these games should be non-canon, like Chronicles, but this page is melding many of the games into the main series, so I'd say that they go after Sonic 4. Knuckleschaotix 15:07, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Canonicty is hard to discuss in a videogame, especially in the Sonic series which have so many games and spin-offs. IIRC Knuckles' Chaotix has been stated to be non-canon and that the actual Chaotix made their first canon appearance in Sonic Heroes and that's the only thing we can "affirm" so far. Chronicles brought things that don't contradict with established elements in the main timeline (unlike the MSX/GG games and Rush ~somehow), the Riders and Storybook series can take place anywhere in the timeline (as long as the story-involved characters were already introduced)... I'm thinking to much ahead of myself. Sorry -- Hitsuji Mamoru 15:23, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

From the point of view of a SonAmy fan like myself, SatBK should take place right after Sonic Unleashed, because at the end on Unleashed, Amy asked Sonic out, and you could either say yes or no, and at the beginning of SatBK, Sonic is heading to a date with Amy. And there are many different places that Chronicles could go. It could go after Generations, around SatSR, after SatBK, before Unleashed, or just nowhere.... Knuckleschaotix 15:33, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

I was only talking about the five games I mentioned, since in our timeline they are before Sonic the Hedgehog 4, but during that time Metal Sonic (a character in those games) was trapped on the Little Planet. Which means they have to come before Sonic CD, or after Sonic the Hedgehog 4DrNefarious 04:02, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Oh... sorry, I get a bit off-track lol. Well, I already consider those games to be non-canon or just "somewhere" in the timeline. For example, as I've already noted, Chaotix was taken away from the timeline, officially reintroducing the Chaotix in Heroes. Now about the Drifts, StF, Triple Trouble and Sonic R, they all have to take place anytime after Sonic 4 (I personally consider theme to be non-canon but to be fair, let's find them a place^^) -- Hitsuji Mamoru 05:04, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well they all use the classic designs but Sonic 4 uses modern, perhaphs they could be a new Saga in between the Eggman's Vengence and Amy Rose Joins the Battle and we could call it Metal Sonic's Return or something....DrNefarious 09:47, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Design has nothing to do with continuity. A design is just a design. They could add more in-between games of course, but I heavily doubt it -- Hitsuji Mamoru 07:52, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Im gonna add a new thing in between then.DrNefarious 10:12, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I fixed the errors that were in the timeline in terms of the layout. As for MEtal Sonic's backstory, I agree. If Sonic 4 Episode II claims that Metal Sonic was one Little Planet the whole time, then the other games with him in them have to take place after. What I'm more concerned about is the placement of the later games- Sonic Riders, the Storybook Series, and the later games. Being released at all different times, should we put them closer to their release dates? Someone mentioned to me that the date that Sonic missed in Sonic and the Black knight was most likely the date that was planned in Sonic Unleashed. While it doesn't necessarily have to be the same date, it could very well be the same date. Diamonddeath 04:22, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * That sounds possible... I suppose now would be as good a time as any to make some major changes to the timeline... if so we should change Unleashed to happen just before SatBK and put Chronicles last.DrNefarious 14:02, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

MillionHogNic
I donot assume here in the page that Sonic has sold 116,000,000 copies worldwide. In 2010 they mentioned 80,000,000. This 116,000,000 thing is in Wikipedia and their reference doesn't have anything to do with the sales. Has Sonic grown 36,000,000 in 2 years? It's hard to believe. --DiscoQueenInYourHouse! 05:30, March 21, 2012 (UTC)