Talk:Amy Rose/Archive 2

Regarding underwear
I've wanted to avoid bringing this issue up, but I feel now I have no alternative. There have been several instances where users, usually IPs have added Amy's underwear to the attire section. This information is usually removed by users due to it being considered inappropriate. I am however, in two minds about this. While such information could indeed be considered inappropriate, it is indeed a fact that Amy wears white panties, something that the creators of games starring Amy Rose like to point out all too often. So, I ask the community. Should this information stay, as it is factual, or should it be removed, as it can be considered inappropriate?  Myself  123  23:22, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Normaly I say keep but no this is one of those times were it's not a thing to keep.Sonamyfan666 a Amy Rose Expert and fan (talk) 23:24, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

As long as it doesn't get pornographic...but if whatever we in the game mean SEGA confirms it.Kenny9277 (talk) 23:37, January 19, 2013 (UTC)Kenny9277

Undergarments count as clothing, I say keep it unless if things gets pornographic as what Kenny said. Pacmansonic138 (talk) 23:46, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Heck no! It's like putting the color of Sonic's socks! 23:47, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

I think his socks are mentioned.  Myself  123  23:48, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

-*facepalm* This is just ridiculous. Why would anyone need to know this? We are supposed to display INFORMATIVE and USEFUL information. 23:52, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

True, but the same could be said for any character's apparel.  Myself  123  00:23, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

How about this we mention everything but the characters undergarments due to the fact that it would be offensive to some people and make others feel uneasy.Sonamyfan666 a Amy Rose Expert and fan (talk) 00:25, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Well, the reason I started this discussion is see whether we should or shouldn't add the information.  Myself  123  00:51, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

So far the concencus is on the no side of things.Sonamyfan666 a Amy Rose Expert and fan (talk) 00:52, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Looks like 3 to 2 on yes.  Myself  123  01:00, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

You've posted nothing on your views of this matter.Sonamyfan666 a Amy Rose Expert and fan (talk) 01:02, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Well... this is awkward...--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 12:05, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

@SAF666: I assume you didn't even read the first post by Myself 123. He clearly has shared his views, and it looks as though he's in favour of keeping the information.

By the way, on Sonic's article, his socks aren't mentioned. And I'm glad they're not, because you don't even see them (the sock-like things are part of his shoes). I believe that we should only list items of clothing that you can see in any piece of artwork. I don't care about it being inappropriate, but you also don't see these undergarments (wuh-oh, I've said too much), and even though the creators have confirmed that she wears them, wouldn't Blaze and most other female characters wear them as well? What's the point? All in all, I don't agree with adding it. We may have to put up a voting section. 12:54, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Uhh actually I think they're socks, as in, not a part of his shoes. Sure sometimes it appears as if the socks are a part of his shoes (SATSR and MASATOWG commercial) but that's probably to focus on what his feet look like (with the shoes, I mean) Uhhh... how do I explain this? I think the socks are shown with the shoe when they're off because the emphasis is not on the shoe, but what he wears on his feet. Am I making any sense here?--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 13:46, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

@Le: Amy's underwear is actually seen all to often. There's very few games satrring Amy Rose in which you can't see her underwear, and it's not like you have to try hard to see them either.

@Drones: I'm pretty sure there his socks as well. They look pretty sock-like.  Myself  123  14:27, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Well what were they thinking showing it like that?!?!?!

I stand by my opinion. 14:46, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

I don't agree. This is a wiki for anything related to Sonic, an E-Rated games. What the purpose of this? Bringing perverts? 14:23, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Well I'm not saying that we should show an image of Amy flashing her underwear, I'm just saying it's part of her clothing.  Myself  123  14:31, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

How about this we just mention undergarments and leave it at that.

How many of you are ladies? Do we need this information written? No thanks.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 16:25, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

I agree we don't need it my last post was just trying to find a middle ground.

Voting section yet? 16:42, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Yep let's set up a poll her and go with the one that has the most votes.

Talk about underwear, there is also a girl who has some scenes like that, but not so much like Amy. 09:17, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Were talking about the serie and site as a whole it leans heavily towards E rated. Also Shaodw was rated E for everyone 10 and up not Teen.

That's still over the E rating Splash  The  Hedgehog  20:18, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

If Amy's article states her panties, then it should only be right that Cream's article should state them too since it's also confirmed.Goji73 (talk) 06:38, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

I havel also noticed that Amy doesn't wear them in Sonic X as i was watching today. 23:06, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

She does it's all depening on the seen.

Poll
Signatures only please

Underwear should be mentioned on this page and any other page in which a character is seen wearing underwear

 * 1)  Myself  123  23:19, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) Pacmansonic138 (talk) 23:45, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * 00:58, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Lloyd the Cat  "I don't die. I just go on adventures."  21:27, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Underwear will not be mentioned and an invisible note will be left in the attire section inofrming users not to add Underwear to the list

 * 23:22, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * 23:23, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 23:39, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * 23:41, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Tentomon22 (talk) 03:11, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) MrSmartyMax 10:55, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 13:13, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Verdict
Well, it looks like enough users deems this inappropriate and/or unecessary to include, an invisible message will be left to tell people not to add it.  Myself  123  14:09, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Peach and Amy
Peach and Amy have never interacted to be rivals, even if they are shown dancing and things in the openings and trailers. The games are uncanon and there was no dialogue saying they are. If we are putting these characters on rival might as well put all the mario cast under the rivals section of each Sonic cast in games. These games are spin-offs and I refuse have Mario characters in the rivals section of character's in the M&S series!, and if we do put them in might as well put them under the friends and ally sections too they seem to get together well. 21:47, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Gentlemen, cast your opinions! 21:48, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

I think we should only put the ones that can be seen to have a rival like engament with that characters.

But that's the thing, Peach and Amy are not rivals 21:53, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

I've seen enough of the Mario and Sonic series to say that yes they are.

Each character has a specific character they have to compete against in the mission mode, one on one. Amy's is Peach, I would say they are rivals.  Myself  123  21:58, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

That doesn't make the rivals. That's like saying that Toad and Chao are rivals because they are commonly found throughout their world of their certain franchises and because they sit right next to each other on the "time to take a break" pop-up on the first game. Plus you're not telling which game is from this spin-off series this is from. I have the first M&S game(wii), I have seen a friend play the M&S DS version, i have seen gamplay of both winter versions, my cousins have the london 2012 version (wii) and i have seen many gameplay of London 2012 (DS) version none of them saaying that they are rivals. If it does not state in game it is not true unless SEGA or Nintendo have said so but nether of them have. 22:13, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Just because nethier company outright says nothing about it does not make it true we can clearly see that Amy and Peach are being presented as freidnly rivals to each other througout the series so therefor they are rivals.

The mission modes of SaMatOG and SaMatOWG for the DS show this, I'm not sure about MaSatL2012OG. The Point is, unless I'm mistaken, both of those games contain a one-on-one event with a character. I think that's enough proof, and if it isn't perhaps Eggman and Tails/Knuckles and Rouge shouldn't be listed as rivals.  Myself  123  22:22, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

They are rivals, yes, I understand that they are rivals; the only thing I'm questioning is whether or not this fact should be mentioned. I thought only characters from the Sonic series could be listed in relationships. The characters are from different video game universes, and they only met in a spin-off series. Does this mean it should still be in that list? 22:36, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps we should put up a poll? 01:24, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Works for me.

I was just looking on the current forums and seems that the Mario and Sonic Games are non-canical 21:22, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Just because it is non canon doesn't mean the fact there rivals isn''t. The events of the game just never happned in the main games story but we still have to included them here. ''

As defined by one user. Even if the games are considered non-canon, why shouldn't the rivals be listed? They've been there for some time and it's clearly listed as existing in the Mario and Sonic series. Plus, we have sections about the series in the history sections.  Myself  123  21:28, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Thats like saying Sonic and Mega Man are rivals because they are from different worlds and mistook each other as  evil beings in Worlds Collide. 22:24, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

No that's different.

It would be, if these characters got into a misunderstanding and started fighting each other.  Myself  123  22:27, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

No because they become friends later on. cause they were on rival systems doesn't make them rivals. and no one dorectly stated them being rivals. Peach and Amy are not rivals. 22:32, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

You can have a rival that is also a freind Splash Amy and Peach are still rivals.

Should Peach and other Mario characters be stated as rivals?
Cast your vote here. Only signatures please

Agree

 * 02:44, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1)  Myself  123  02:45, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 14:50, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1)  Tentomon22 (talk) 15:21, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 21:17, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) MrSmartyMax 21:18, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Disagree

 * 1) Psyche the Hedgehog 1997 Talk
 * 02:48, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 15:42, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) OrbAdventures (talk) 04:33, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) OrbAdventures (talk) 04:33, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

My vote
My vote is meant to be for all Mario and Sonic characters are not rivals with the exception of Mario and Sonic themselves.OrbAdventures (talk) 23:57, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Orb please put that in the disscussion area next time instead of making it a new section. Anyways, since no one has voted in a while it should be noted that any character from the Mario franchise should not be stated as rivals? Speak now or I should delete peach from the rivals along with other Mario characters tooken off the rival list in the M&S Series. 22:59, April 30, 2013 (UTC)~

What? No, the consensus didn't make a decision.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  23:02, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

The poll did ._. and more people voted for it to be removed. 23:09, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

5:4 is not a consensus.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  23:13, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is not.

but might as well so it, no one has voted in over a week. 04:57, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

If no one votes in the next 24 hours im removing all the mario characters from rivals sections on pages. 21:10, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

No, that's not how it works, a concensus wasn't met, so if you do that it would make the whole vote thing completely pointless.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  21:12, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Then how do you do it? No one else has voted in 2-3 weeks, it's time to end this by deciding who has the most votes and clearing more people want them to be removed. Im giving an extra 24 hours for people to vote for it to be decided. 21:17, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

If a concensus hasn't been made, the status quo remains.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  21:19, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

That didn't answer my question. 21:37, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it did, but I'll try explaining it again: When a poll like this is made, a concensus has to be met in order to make a change. In this poll, the vote was 5:4 in the support of removing Mario characters as rivals (but as you can see it has now changed to 6:5 is support of keeping Mario characters as rivals). However, five votes to four is not a concensus, which means that a concensus has not been met. Because a concensus hasn't been met (because it was 5:4), that means no action could be taken, which means that the Mario rivals will not be removed. Is that any clearer?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  21:45, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Talking about Amy's Pre-Final Dress Physics
Please read the ongoing thread before you revert without saying a word. Most of these are dedicated game hackers that are actively dissecting the game. Why remove something that's accurate and certainly has its spot in the triva section? 142.255.117.139 15:11, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * What makes it certainly have a spot in the trivia section? (Just asking...) -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 16:26, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not inaccurate official info, and it can be seen as insight in the design process of the big redesign. It's something that was apparently backed out at the last moment before the final release, and is analogous to the Rouge the Bat tidbit. It's also recently uncovered pre-release info, so the Wiki would be among the first to note it, which should always be a plus. I haven't received a rebuttal against its inclusion in the revert box, so that's why I took it here. In addition, note where I placed it under in the trivia. How would this new info not be acceptable / appropriate but the Sonic the Fighters "panty-shot" is? Either way, both are accurate and simply how it is. 142.255.117.139 16:37, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally, I believe neither piece of trivia is appropriate, but I have no argument against including it besides personal opinion. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 16:42, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

In that link, it doesn't look like her dress is flipped up, it just looks like she's missing the bottom half of her dress.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  19:33, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

I think that we should do a poll to see what every one else says--
 * Reasonable enough. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 20:10, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:11, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Why do you disagree Myself 123? Shadow's right, it's is reasonable enough--

Who are you disagreeing with? Me or the contributor? -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 20:23, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

A poll would be very messy, and not everything needs to boil down to a vote.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:26, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think so, and i was disagreeing with Myself 123, Shadow.--

If you really want a vote, then make a voting section, don't make a poll.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:34, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

We'll do that then.--

Fine, everything doesn't need to come to a vote though.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:42, May 24, 2013 (UTC

Just in case anyone was unaware as to which image we're talking about, it's this.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  14:28, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

I still don't understand how anyone is seeing a flipped up dress in that image, she's quite clearly missing the bottom half of her dress there, nothing more.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  15:49, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Is Amy's Dress Floating When She Jumps?
Ok, here's the deal: In the picture from the last section, we see that Amy's dress is floating when she is jumping, but is it really floating? Please put your signatures in the appropriate section below. Verdict in 2 weeks.

Yes

 * 1:13, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * 15:53, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) OrbAdventures (talk) 12:05, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) <font color="blue" face="Arial Black">MrSmartyMax 15:33, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

No
LightningDude2022 (talk) 23:58, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Verdict
It's unanimous, Amy's dress is floating when she jumps.--

Didn't whoever set this up say that the verdict was be made in two weeks?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  13:25, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, and it's been two weeks. (i was the one who set this up) --

No, it's been a week.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  13:52, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Got my days wrong, sorry.--

And now it's been a month. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:13, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I said the vote was unanimus Tentomon22:"SUPER SHOCKER" 19:20, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

So what does that mean now? Not to be negative, but I don't see what this accomplished if it's done and no one's reacting or doing anything about it... LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:33, June 25, 2013 (UTC)