User talk:Supermorff

A query I have
Hello Supermorff,

I've been informed from Kagimizu that I should seek a mod about a query I have instead of actually trying to edit the articles themselves so I simply chose you out of random because I can't seem to find anyone in charge of this wiki as a whole admin.

Anyways, this topic is about the trivia sections on this site. I've been here at SNN for some time (I believe since June) and think this Sonic wiki is a good idea. A place where every fan can input info they find. I come to this site often to get info and listings. It's all good except for one section: trivia. When I look at the trivia sections, it's a complete mess. There is information in those sections on almost every page with trivia that should not belong. Some of them are fan speculations, others are hypothesis and guesses, and some are just dumb and pointless. At this time, I thought someone was not taking care of this and all this info was inputted by someone who had no idea what they were doing or what belong in the article or not. So I decided to edit them myself and clean up the trivia sections that had information not necessary. Well to my surprise, they kept reappearing. Every page I went, the info kept popping up. At first I thought it was some stubborn user but then it turned out it was none other than Kagimizu, a mod. It would be understandable if it was some user who did not know how to input info into a trivia section but if a mod approves of such info, then we got a problem here.

I'm a fan of the trivia sections. I love them because you get even more in depth info from the subject in question that you would not learn formally. But when I come to SNN, I am displeased to learn that almost anything is put into the trivia sections. It's as if no one knows how to do a trivia section properly and assume anything can be put in.

A trivia section is a section of an article where info that cannot be placed on the main article is placed on it's own section. This info is not important enough to be a part of the main section but still useful enough to be known so it should not be omitted. The information that goes into a trivia section adds and expands the article and gives more insight, knowledge, and description to the subject. Wikipedia's guidelines for trivia state that it's info that can not fit anywhere and the editor should try to look for a place to put it in. In other words, trivia is the last thing that should be worked on because you want to search for a place to fit the info on the article and add to it. If it can't be added, then it's considered trivial and thus, goes into it's own section.

But this does not apply to SNN. When I see an trivia section, I am seeing information that is quiet useless to know about such as comparing one character to another. I don't understand why I need to know about a trait that is more coincidental than it is about the development of the character. If one character has a trait that is similar to another, such as Blaze being similar to Knuckles in the fact that they are guardians of certain emeralds, then you must ask yourself "Why is this important to the article?" In the example I showed, how does that information help the Blaze article expand more and give insight to her. If it was stated by a employee at Sega that they got inspiration from Knuckles when modeling Blaze, than that would be considered trivia since you would not be able to fit it into the article itself but is important to the understanding of Blaze's development. But if it's just a coincidence that Blaze so happens to be like Knuckles in only that they share that trait and there is nothing to back up that they both share such a common feature besides it being a coincidence, than that is not trivia because it does not help the expand the article and it's pretty much just an observation someone made.

There are many common mistakes that are added to the trivia sections. Others being fan speculations, good obsevations that are not informative enough to warrant research, what people "think" might be, and stuff that is not informative at all and are just comments. These may be interesting to know but when I read them, they didn't add to the article I was reading and didn't help my research. It felt like I was reading a persons comment rather than an excerpt of the subject. If the item doesn't give you applied knowledge, it should not be included.

I believe that the trivia sections need a serious clean up. If a mod approves it, then that means that no one here knows how trivia should be done. Serious guidelines should be done for trivia and what it is, what should go in it, and so on. The other info is not important to be warranted as research. Though I have thought about why a mod would approve of it, I come to the conclusion that they consider it important to know. I came to this because I remember I edited out a bad trivia item when I was editing articles. When it was brought back though, that item was not. So there is some attention being put to the trivia sections but no real guideline. That is why I propose there be a new section: miscellaneous. Just what it means, anything and everything else that doesn't even fit in trivia. While trivia SHOULD still cover the article's items that are not important to be in the article itself but still important enough to be known, miscellaneous is just information that is not really important to know but have been observed and might be of interest one way or another. Observations that have bee noted like comparing one character to another (especially when the other character is not even from Sega) is not really trivia but can be put into miscellaneous. I think it would clean up the trivia section and make it more neat.

So that is my post. Sorry if it's huge but it should show you that I am serious about the trivia sections. I love them and hate to see this wiki mishandle them just because people don't understand what trivia means. Just because trivia means info that cannot be inserted into the main article, it does not mean ANYTHING can be placed under it. It should still contain information that adds to the article in a small way but gives you a bit more information about the subject that is necessary to know about. Anything that is simply observed or coincidences are not trivia unless it is backed up by a source of information that is not hearsay or guessing. If you want to have that information, then a good idea would be to make a separate section for them. This will help keep the article in order so when you get to the trivia section, it won't be a jumble mess and you will be able to tell what's actual fact and what is a possibility. --TKGB 07:27, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'm glad that you agree and was surprised to know that someone else has a concern about it. But that still doesn't solve anything. Isn't there anything that can be done about this? Simply editing it won't do since someone will just end up undoing it.--TKGB 00:28, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that's not entirely true. If we simply keep an eye on the articles and remove uneeded info, that should really clean up the Trivia.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 00:36, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well that would be ideal except that people don't understand what trivia is here. There is no guideline for that in this wiki and people just keep posting items unrelated to being trivia and it keeps being approved. So when you say "uneeded", what does that mean here? That's why I'm proposing two sections. That would be ideal to keep stuff that is still revelant to the subject and info that is are just hypothesis that people have (i.e. "...because of this, it is believed that...").--TKGB 00:47, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Well, Trivia already has its own "section" on pages, but seperate pages is too far. The way I see it, if the trivia is notable and relevant, it's fine by me. For example, some new trivia that was added to Amy's page was that "Amy is currently the only female hedgehog in the games". Stuff like that seems reasonable to me.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 00:52, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * See, that kind of information is not trivia. Firstly, what I suggested was not a new page but a new category for this kind of thing. Second, I don't think you understand the meaning of trivia. As I've said on the original long post I made for Supermorff, trivia is information that aids the article. It helps expand the article on knowledge about the subject. Don't you think that pointing out that Amy is the only female hedgehog is too loose to be considered helpful. If you approve of that, how about "Amy is currently the only pink female character". How about "Amy is currently the only character who wields a hammer". Or "Amy is currently the only character that was kidnapped by Metal Sonic" and "Amy is currently the only hedgehog whose design has changed drastically"? You have to ask yourself if the information is helpful in research and development of the character both ingame and real world, not just observations.

If you still can't understand what I mean, consider another subject. Let me use English as an example. Look at this site:

http://www.sentex.net/~ajy/facts/words.html

The site contains many information that can be considered trivia. So by your approval, one could put "As of today, the letter Y is the only one that can be used as both a vowel and a consonant." Yeah, thats nice but it's pretty obvious that most people know about it so it doesn't need to be written down. I hope you understand what I mean. --TKGB 06:13, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

In my books, if you have several strings of trivia related to each other, then those need to be clumped together to form a new section, as was the case with Silver when I first came here. Trivia is my biggest crib with this wikia and I'm a reglaur visitor here. I raised this issue recently, because Silver's trivia section was massive. I listed elsewhere several points and problems with trivia. In the end it comes down to this: Can it fit elsewhere on the page? If yes, then it doesn't belong in trivia. If not, then it belongs in trivia.

As a experience wikia peep, this wikia can be off putting at times, but I come here because I have long term issues with wikipedia (used to be a wikipedian until 2 years ago or so). At the very least, what someone needs to do is look at the largest section on the page other then trivia (not including galleries) and ask "Is the trivia section bigger then this?". If yes, something needs to be done ASAP, as I had to do with Silver's page. Regardless, I'm happy to see it finally being discussed, but there seems to be a problem with controlling it. If you have guidelines for trivia, that would help, if not, perhaps its time something was done. One-Winged Hawk 15:16, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

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== Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round ~ ==

Ah, no. I haven't decided this on my own; the majority of the wiki is in favor of this as well. As for Monaco, Monobook, and Vector; it is indeed possible for us to have those. A lot has happened while you were gone, but to sum it up, Nero's father, the owner of a company with a hosting site, will be migrating a majority of the Sonic wikis, as well as Non-Sonic wikis. This migration could be better compared to "cloning", as Nero's dad will be able to copy every single scrap of data, including ranks, history, and contributions, and place it on an empty "HuskWiki", basically perfectly cloning the SNN, even including Monaco. With this, the wikis don't have to deal with advertizement, all data is maintained, and with the wiki out from under Wikia's thumb, creative freedom with the wiki belongs to the community of the wiki alone. Unfortunately, since we are not paying clients, the wikis have currently been put on the backburner while Nero's dad works with a paying client, hence why we haven't been moved yet. I hope that clears everything up for you.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 19:55, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

(eyes spinning) Okay, hosting is free and as far as I can tell, it's permanent. The website is 12pointdeisgn.com I believe. The reason he's the best bet is because every scrap of our data will be copied so we don't have to start from scratch in any sense, it's entirely free, and we don't have to worry about advertizements. He's said that we can have any wikis we want moved, so I assume the servers can handle it. I'm certain that we don't have to worry about dedication, because this is Nero's dad we're talkng about; Nero is determined to help the wikis, so I'm sure it's okay. As for the rest; ask Nero for the answers.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:36, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

We don't have to suck up to Nero; he knows better. And as I said before, all contributions, privelages, and history will be kept. As for who maintains ultimate control, I suppose that will be Nero's dad possible, or someone else.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:32, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if the move is successful, the idea is to tear down the old wikis, so the new ones don't get blacklisted by search engines.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 22:30, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I bet they didn't think of locking all the pages so only admins can edit them, promoting all Users to admins and having them delete all the articles, then wiping out and/or deleting the MediaWiki coding. I figure if old SNN is gonna go out, it might as well go out with a bang.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 22:57, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Nono! The MediaWiki coding is on each and every wiki. It's what allows stuff like editing and archiving. If we take down the MediaWiki coding for Sonic News Network, it will be a total mess. As a total mess, no-one will want to adopt it, and when abandoned, Wikia staff will have to delete the old SNN. Believe me, this might be a bannable offense, but it's not illegal. Besides, if SNN is cutting ties with Wikia, why listen to the Staff anymore?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:12, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Wikia staff don't regularly patroll the wikis, and we hardly get any experienced Users not already from SNN anyway. More than likely, the only people who would come here are inexperienced Users with no idea what to do. With the MediaWiki down, Users wouldn't come here as often. Coupled with the fact that SNN is moved, who would bother wanting the old one back?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:29, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, if SNN is being cloned, then abandoned, why not take down the old Wikia-controlled one? I doubt they'll find out about it, at least for quite a while. And so what if we're banned from old SNN? We won't even be on it anymore, so what does it matter?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:46, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Let me catch you on one of those first ones; absolutely nothing would be done until the move is completely finished, and we know that it has been a success. Besides Morff, if the current SNN stays, then the non-wiki SNN, the one that most of the Users here will be on, will be blacklisted by search engines, and wno't gain any new members or popularity. That's why something has to be done to the old SNN.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 15:42, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

First and foremost, as this wiki belongs to the community, it's obvious this would have to be brought up to everyone else, especially since this concerns all of them. Second, we were talking about 58's adminship being rescinded due to her actions and attitude as of late.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:17, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, partially cuz I don't have a wikia.css. You saw how your link was red, didn't you?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:43, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, and I don't plan to. I refuse to use the skin that Wikia forced on us. Besides, soon enough SNN will be moved, and we won't have to listen to or adhere to Wikia anymore.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:52, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Pardon me morff, but you have been gone and out of the loop for over a month, while I've been on both SNN and SFW, in the middle of all of this. So, I think I know just a little bit more about the situation than you do. Like for one, the move isn't a risky gamble; if something goes wrong, the original will still be here, and we can try again. Second, we won't be splitting the Userbace, because most everyone on the wiki dislikes and/or hates the new skin, and everyone is for or at least willing to go along with the move.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:05, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

The trashing part I still have to bring up on SNN; the idea was more or less agreed upon for SFW at the very least, so the past could be let go of, and no-one would have to maintain the old SFW that no-one would care about anymore. The moving part has basically been established on my latest blogs, from "SNN's Viewpoint" to "Dissappointment...". It's all been going on for the month you've been gone.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:32, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm going by the same logic 58 did. We've got several Users who are distinctly in favor of this, with next to no opposition to the move. The rest of the Users seem to be willing to go along with the move, or simply don't care.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:24, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Sides, the move has plenty of upsides for SNN.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:34, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Complete creative freedom, and Wikia having absolutely no control over the wiki are two more.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:46, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

.....Do I really have to be specific? *waves hand to the skin*--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:09, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, we're limited on what skins we can and can't use. Outside of Wikia, hell we could make our own skin!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:16, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

It was only an example.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:25, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I did the thing and it is better than before. Still not as good as the wiki used to be, but better, thanks for that. So yeah, this move thing is one of those crazy cranberries I mentioned before. So at first an offer to buy the wiki came from FTCR.com or find the computer room, whatever you want to call it. No one ever asked me about it, but I found them to be a very ambitious website with plans on becoming big like the Sonic Stadium or Sonic Retro. I was all for joining them, thinking we'd finally get a little respect in the Sonic community. But now, reading over your talk page, it appears someone rejected that offer and now want some user's Dad to sponsor the site? That seems pathetic and lame and I'd rather stay where we are. Sonictoast 16:38, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Sorry I blew it with the tournament updates this week, leaving three of the previous winners up, I guess I just got so wrapped up in the numbers I completely forgot about the names. Kagi pitched in with the Tournament a little. I finally got a new job about a month ago, the job is great, but I haven't been able to be on SNN too much lately. But I for one am really glad you are back. You are like a guardian over SNN keeping things in order. I think if you ever left permanently, this wiki would fall apart. Anyway, sorry I'm being kind of ranty, it's late where I am and it has been a long day of work.

So anyway, about this move, I don't think we should be jumping into it yet. I think we should call a meeting with all the active admins. In this meeting we should thoroughly discuss the pros and cons of moving and maybe even vote on the matter. If the pros outweigh the cons and a majority of the admins are for it, we should go ahead and move, but if it is the opposite, we should stay. This is really something I think we should all do together, not have some of us stay and some of us move and have two identical wikis. It should be all or nothing. What are your thoughts on this idea?Sonictoast 05:34, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Tournament Changeovers
Hey Morff, Could you do changeovers this week, possibly for the next two weeks? My wife is 8 months and 3 weeks pregnant. So if the baby doesn't come this weekend, he'll definitely be here next week. So yeah, If she goes into labor, I'm pretty sure SNN will be the last thing on my mind. Sonictoast 06:56, November 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I like that you related the poll to the tourney. It will drive more traffic to the tournament and points out how cool it is the two have been randomly paired off like that. Also, great job on the changeovers. No baby yet on my side, but we have a good feeling about tonight. Sonictoast 01:57, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

just wanted to tell you. My son was born yesterday morning. Everything went well. 8 pounds 13 ounces. Sonictoast 21:07, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

58SlugDrones!
Oh yeah, I won't be around very much. Again. I have my mocks (if you know what they are) from the school for my preparation of the Cambridge Exams. I will be taking a Cambridge Board Exam in Asia not England on May 2011, so there are really busy months for me. These papers are my future and I have to prepare, so I guess I will be cutting off SNN soon. You can inform others if they complain on why am I not around, since I am only telling you.--58SlugDrones! 13:33, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for wishing me luck! I appreciate it! Good luck to you too! I am not sure on when I will be gone though, perhaps during December if things aren't too serious. But I'll let you know on time. As for the jobs, sure I will give them to you (uh... you mean the two HTMLs I was talking about right?). By the way when are your exams, which subjects are you taking and which grade are you in? Just asking because it's good to hear the someone else in this site as his exams too.--58SlugDrones! 13:59, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well, actually I am not British. I am American but I don't live there I live in Asia, in a country where American Education is rare. I take Science subjects like Biology Chemistry and Physics but I am not taking those in May 2011. I am taking History, Geography and Islamiat. I will take Bio, Chem, Phy, Eng and Math in 2012.

Sure you can take the jobs! I would be glad! --58SlugDrones! 02:29, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I am very grateful for your support. If it weren't for you would we have this skin? Remember at that time LB and Kagi didn't want a skin but you supported my idea. If it weren't for you would I have tried changing the headings for the main-page? Thanks alot Supermorff. Thankyou for talking a long conversation through with Kagi. Thanks for everything! You made my place in this wiki, if it weren't for your support I wouldn't have tried to improve the wiki at all. You always did let me. Thanks alot.--58SlugDrones! 11:35, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I am going GCSE. I am doing IGCSE which is the latest format, I am in year two (IGCSE is for 3 years) so, technically I am in 9th grade, I never knew you were so big. I also agree, Kagi hadn't got his mind changed one bit.--58SlugDrones! 10:32, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I have not finalized on when I am leaving. I may be gone for months. Well, you can say that I won't be active here at all in 2011. From January to June I will certainly not be here on SNN. I might come back in the beginning of June if I lose my chance to go to USA and attend E3. But I won't be around this weekend, and the Weekly Poll needs to be changed. Well, right now my condition is "coming and going" over and over again on this site. I guess you should take my jobs now, I won't be doing them from today. Good luck, here is what you do:


 * Make a Weekly Sonic-related poll.
 * Try coming up with News and Updates going around this website or the World of Sonic.
 * Inform anyone who tries to send me message that I am not available and I will reply later. (I suggest you do this later)

I guess that's pretty much it. I am looking forward for your participation, buddy!--58SlugDrones! 10:49, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Christmas Background
Hey Supermorff. I have put up the new skin and color schemes of the website for the Christmas theme. Thus, I put up DiscoDuck's idea of putting a logo on the page. Can you see the new skin? I can see it.--58SlugDrones! 12:12, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Uh, I think those articles should be deleted straight away. I mean, look at all of that fan-fiction! He should be in the Sonic Fanon Wiki if he had to add this much of work. And now we can't keep all his work in our website when not in use. So, I guess all of that should be deleted. What do you think?--58SlugDrones! 14:03, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

I understand. But I don't think anybody would even care to discuss on these pages whether they should be deleted or not. You've been on this for a month, right? Then hasn't anybody had a say in this?--58SlugDrones! 14:14, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

I thought I was the only one who thought that no one in the website cares about what goes on here. Anyways, though you have given them an opportunity for them to have a say on whether these should be deleted, they haven't said anything. So, if you and I agree to delete these then I guess they should be removed because we are the only ones who care.--58SlugDrones! 14:42, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

What about the ones you didn't tag today but tagged earlier? Did anybody say anything about those?--58SlugDrones! 14:47, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to know who said that. I am also curious to know which pages are you tagging that you think users will care?--58SlugDrones! 14:52, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, indeed quite interesting to see what would happen. That girl has many friends. If there are lots to tag then I can help if you want, don't worry, I won't cry if you refuse my help.--58SlugDrones! 15:02, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

No need to thank me. I wouldn't mind it even if you would never reply that message, that's because you are a nice person.--58SlugDrones! 15:07, December 5, 2010 (UTC) 

Merry Christmas, Supermorff. (Well if you are Christian)--58SlugDrones! 15:29, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

(So you aren't a Christian?)I'm a Muslim, how am I supposed to know about Christmas greetings?--58SlugDrones! 15:39, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Right, thanks. Actually, yeah, Christ, Abraham and Adam are prophets in Islam. We love Jesus too and highly respect him but we do not love him as much as we love Muhammad (PBUH) (a muslim cannot say his name without PBUH). Do Christians think Christ is dead?--58SlugDrones! 15:48, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

I see, so are Christians divided into different types? Muslims believe that he is a human and just a prophet (not a son a God) and we think he didn't die. We think that when he was being crucified, an Angel came down to him and brought him up to Heaven to save him. So we believe that he is not dead and he will come in the Day of Judgement and he will save us. PBUH stands for Peace Be Upon Him, Muslims should say it and even write it, well, I do not know if it's a sin not saying it but it is pretty insulting when not said or written after his name.--58SlugDrones! 16:02, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Muslims are divided into many, many types too. But the main ones are Sunni and Shia, first they were divided just because of political differences but now these fools have also made some religious differences. I hate this idea. I believe Islam should be one community and shouldn't have been divided in the first place especially in spiritual ways. The majority are Sunni. Though we are divided we just say we are Muslims instead of saying "Shia" or "Sunni" because we don't care that much.--58SlugDrones! 06:00, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Oh and by the way, I have been getting dizzy because of the lack of update in this wiki, I think we need to change two things:

Featured Article: We can't keep this updated. I remember two months ago I called up some users for this but only Murphyshane had nominated one whereas the rest did not reply. And thus, I do not know how to choose the perfect article in which everybody can agree on. So I think we should nominate three articles so that we don't have problem in the future. I mean nominate an article for January, then at the same time nominate an article for February and another for March so that the voting can go on till January ends. I think this will get more people voting for Featured Articles and will prevent us from keeping the section outdated because we will not the articles for the next two months. But really, my method can cause trouble somehow. So what do you think?

Question of The Month: In the end of Kagimizu's interview, he writes down the "Question of the Month" for users to gather at one place and express their opinions on one question every month. No one has been attending this making it completely useless. I suggest this should be replaced or removed. You?--58SlugDrones! 06:11, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you about the Question of the Month. I don't get involve in it either. As for the Featured Article, I think we should make a page or make an announcement for the users here so that they can be interested. The articles you have nominated are really good, especially the first Sonic game. But you see, it is hard for everyone to agree upon it because no one wants to be involved. We should do something that would attract them. These users (the minor ones) are the ones I am aiming at, they should be involved in what is going on here I want to attract them into getting involved in small things.--58SlugDrones! 05:27, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Thankyou for being interested, but I hope you survive listening to my plans:

Featured Article: Like I said, admins should plan three articles for the future. Okay, what I am going to say here is more work for the admins and less for the minor users because I want them attracted. So, it goes like this, we plan three articles and form them into a poll, right? Now, the minor users (not admins) just simply vote in those polls. We can leave the poll for a week and the article with the most votes will be the first Featured Article, the second number of votes will be the month after the first and the third will be the month after the second. What do you think?

Question of the Month: I have already asked Kagimizu about it. He said that he wants it to stay and said that he will come up with better questions. I told him that if the next tow months doesn't get enough audience action will have to be taken. I'll just have to wait for his reply.--58SlugDrones! 05:30, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

I knew you were going to question that. Look, no-one does choose their favorite page. Even when they can nominate any page, but if they won't do that then I guess the option should be limited. Or is that too strict? I do not want to upset anyone but no one does nominate an article even when they can choose any article they want.--58SlugDrones! 16:43, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

I still want a little bit of participation of theirs. Look, admins choose three articles, compile them into a poll and then the minor users vote.--58SlugDrones! 05:23, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

You have a point there. I had this feeling all along, I know this would disturb others. But when they are given the opportunity to vote for any article they don't. And when they are given a limited opportunity for voting, they will complain. So what can be done?--58SlugDrones! 15:13, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

No-one has. I said they 'will' complain because you said that a limited amount of choice would alienate them.--58SlugDrones! 15:46, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, yes, and when they would feel alienated they would obviously complain. Technically, this is not going to make them ignored, instead they would get choose their favorite article but limited. I do not see how do you they will be ignored, though slightly they cannot choose any article because they aren't and perhaps will not. Anyways, I just came up with another idea.--58SlugDrones! 16:01, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

We can leave a discussion under one topic. Example, if we have to make the Featured Article for next month we should choose an genre and let the others vote. Let's say we put next month's under "Characters", the other users will vote their favorite character page and obviously the decision will be finalized by the number of nominations. Then, for the next next month we can put it under "Games", then after that another topic and so it goes on.--58SlugDrones! 16:11, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, right, that was my third option. We can just use the regular method, but how do we get people involved? Should it be "advertised" on the Home Page or the Main Page?--58SlugDrones! 05:56, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. Wait a minute... you never chose an avatar because you never liked one? Ever?--58SlugDrones! 12:42, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

I guess most of the users would just put up an avatar whether they like it or not. Well, that's what I did! I am very picky about my signature, avatar and user page! I have changed these things tonnes of times. Same goes with my hairstyle and clothes, I change dramatically. Especially my personality! Has your personality every changed dramatically?--58SlugDrones! 14:34, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

How many personalities have you been through?--58SlugDrones! 14:39, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Upcoming Games
I think the content below the "Upcoming Games" header is too simple. So I thought of making it more extravagant right here:http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/User:58SlugDrones!/Changes. Tell me what you think. The color? Is it too big? Should I use something else? Tell me anything.--58SlugDrones! 05:26, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

What happened to your computer? And I have merged two games in one box and along with that, I changed the color completely as well. Check it out:http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/User:58SlugDrones!/Changes--58SlugDrones! 15:24, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I have also merged two games in one box. Is it fine? Would like the color to change? Should I inform other admins? (Or... maybe I can look for something else...)--58SlugDrones! 04:22, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Leave
I will be on leave. My GCE exams are 97 days away. Inform whoever asks, alright? Good luck, buddy!--58SlugDrones! 10:35, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

It is to my understanding that you believe the Lee Brotherton article is a "vanity project". Can you please provide an explanation? Alter the Wolf  <font color="#8A2BE2">Protector of Chaos   06:43, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

I understand. I had a talk with Jake about what you and SonicToast had said. He agrees that certain images should be removed. But, it's hard for me to decide what should be deleted and what should remain on that page because everything on there is official and legit, and not from wikipedia. Also, I would like your opinion on the information in the page. You said that it was well written and well sourced, but you pointed out that we don't need the paragraph on Nibbles. What else shouldn't be on there? I was really hoping that I could make Lee's page a feautured article because of all the hard work I put into it. But, if it is inappropriate, like SonicToast says, then it will never be a featured article. Please tell me what should be removed. Alter the Wolf  <font color="#8A2BE2">Protector of Chaos   13:21, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

I see. I will make these changes immediately. Alter the Wolf  <font color="#8A2BE2">Protector of Chaos   13:58, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Should I leave U Won't 4get ME on on there? Or should it be removed too? Alter the Wolf  <font color="#8A2BE2">Protector of Chaos   15:40, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Ok. Alter the Wolf  <font color="#8A2BE2">Protector of Chaos   16:40, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Your welcome! I knew I couldn't just remove them from the page without putting them under the speedy deletion category first. If I hadn't, you wouldn't have been able to delete them. Alter the Wolf  <font color="#8A2BE2">Protector of Chaos   16:54, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Supermorff, could you please delete my blogs about Bentley Jones and his Finally Free album? I don't need them. Alter the Wolf  <font color="#8A2BE2">Protector of Chaos   21:35, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm still not done fixing the Lee Brotherton page, and may not be able to do that anytime soon because my mother took my laptop away and I don't know when I'm getting it back. Alter the Wolf  <font color="#8A2BE2">Protector of Chaos   21:49, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

I forgot to tell you that my exams are over. Sorry about that.--58SlugDrones! 07:06, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

They went really good in my opinion. Yeah, I'll be active now.--58SlugDrones! 07:21, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I missed you, pal.--58SlugDrones! 07:25, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Category:Musical characters
Could you explain to me how this is unnecessary?-- 08:20, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sonic is part of the category. If there was only one set of musical characters (Underground or the Band) then yes, I would agree with you that it was pointless, but there's two, and I think there should be a category for it; however, I would not be opposed to it being merged into Category:Musicians if that is preferable.-- 08:33, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * It is for members of an in-game band.-- 08:42, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * By "in-game", I meant within the series itself.-- 08:48, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you.-- 08:52, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Dark Chronicles Chao articles
Hello, Super. I have a question. on this list we have all the Chao and Chao types that appear in Sonic Chronicles, but recently I just noticed that there appears to be stub articles for several of the Chao listed on this page. All the ones I've seen so far more or less tell the same information that the article I just linked does, and I was wondering if it is really necessary to have those articles. Should we delete them? Lloyd the Cat "I hog that hedgehate!"  23:26, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

I really don't think there's any need to just make a list that links to the articles or make the articles in question longer because there's really not much information to describe about each of the Chaos anyway. All that can really be described is what they look like and what abilities they give the player's characters, but the list I just linked you pretty much does that already, and the articles I've looked at so far more or less do the exact same thing. I honestly don't think there's anything in the individual articles that can't be described on the list that shows all of them, which is why I don't think having individual articles for every Chao in Dark Chronicles is really necessary at all. Lloyd the Cat "I hog that hedgehate!"  00:20, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

So, can I go ahead and do something about the DC Chao articles, or do you think that we should keep them? Lloyd the Cat "I hog that hedgehate!"  09:45, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

New Wikia feature - Chat
Hi! I'm Mark, from Wikia's Content Team. I'm excited to announce a brand-new Wikia feature - the Chat. The chat has been available for a while in beta, but it was recently added to WikiaLabs, meaning that any local sysop can activate the feature on their wiki! The chat is an excellent way to communicate with less experienced editors and new visitors to the wiki, without having to explain the process of editing entirely using talk pages. In addition to that, the chat also allows you to discuss news about the game easily without having to renew a page all the time waiting for the new messages bubble. Just to be clear, Wikia is not forcing this feature on any wiki, it's completely optional. However, we do recommend the feature as it'll only make editing easier, and attract more editors to the wiki. To activate the feature, visit Special:WikiaLabs and activate the chat. If you have any questions at all, don't hesitate to leave me a message on my talk page! Cheers, Mark  ( talk ) 22:46, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, you know those buttons we have on the Home Page? Well, they are extremely outdated and too plain. So I have been thinking about this for a year now (no honeslty, a whole year) that they should be changed. My idea is that we add up-to-date images of the ones we have now (for e.g. instead of Sonic Unleashed images, we add Sonic Generations images) and edit them on this: http://h7.abload.de/img/sonic47ud9.png

Unfortunately, I do not have a program that can do that so are you able to?--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 05:49, August 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe i do have editing programs such as Photo Pos Pro, Paint.net and Windows Live Photo Gallery to correct the photos that are in a bad correction so i have those ones to edit display colors.--Terrific joker 06:56, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I will give it a try. But I don't think I am allowed to download any of these painting softwares anymore because I have downloaded Paint Tool SAI too many times now!--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 05:31, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Oh it's just a graphic arts program, I am a graphic artist actually. It's because SAI comes with dollars and is not in English so I downloaded many cracked versions that were lies. And I am restricted for downloading several programs even though I finally found the full, free cracked version. But I will give it a try perhaps. But my folks won't like it.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 17:38, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Genesjs has informed that he will be making those icons. Just thought of letting you know.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 10:21, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Chat
Thanks for adding those links for H2 Whoa for me. I'm going to try and add all the missing Sonic X episode pages. jmkrebs30, September 30, 2011

Chat
Hi. I was wondering when the chat would be up, the users are complaining even more about the Non-Sonic blog rule since they can't talk about Non-Sonic stuff as they used to, We could assign the Rollbacks and a few other trusted members of the community with Chat Mod? What do you think? --

Chat Mod RfA
How many users need to participate in a Chat Mod request on the RfA page? It doesn't specify. -- 22:40, October 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Same as rollback sounds good. --

RfA
Hey again. It's been about 2 weeks for Rainbowroad's, Mine, OMG's, and Kat's nomination. Rainbows and mine are about exactly 2 weeks though, might want to check them out. -- 02:39, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

I think. Im probably in a different time zone then you, but it may be tomorrow. -- 10:49, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Coloring Names
Well, Since I'm an admin now, I can change the colors of the name through wikia.css and common.css, should I just bold the admins for now, wait till there is a clear consensus for a color, or...? -- 07:04, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

My request for rollback and chat mod
Hey, as BF pointed out, it's been 2 weeks, and I have 5 "Yes"es to both rollback and chat mod, 3 "No"s to rollback, 1 "No" to both, and 3 "Yes"es to Chat Mod. --Rainbowroad6w, the researcher. ( Talk )( Recent finds and updates. ) 12:47, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Request for rollback and chat mod
That's fine. Thanks! :-) EDIT: I can be given rollback powers now, though, right? --Rainbowroad6w, the researcher. ( Talk )( Recent finds and updates. ) 20:37, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I saw the conclusion... what? The vote for rollback wasn't split more evenly, as there were 5 yeses and 4 nos. So it wasn't split evenly, if that's what you were saying. --Rainbowroad6w, the researcher. ( Talk )( Recent finds and updates. ) 21:06, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

I don't like sounding like the idiot pissing everyone off, but I'm not understanding. I read all that before nominating myself. It seems to me it's saying 5 people must vote (support or oppose) if requesting rollback. Am I not correct? --Rainbowroad6w, the researcher. ( Talk )( Recent finds and updates. ) 21:17, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Oh gotchya. Ok thanks for the clarification. I'll make sure I don't forget that next time I try. Thanks! :-) --Rainbowroad6w, the researcher. ( Talk )( Recent finds and updates. ) 21:28, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Community Corner
Can I do some work on the Community Corner? Look at Pokemon Wiki and LoL Wiki, they have quite the Community Corner, I can add the Poll of the Week, Featured User poll, Recent Site Discussions, Recent Site News, etc. And anything else that should be included. Should I start a forum? -- 02:02, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Apology
I apologize if it seems like I'm edit warring with Jake, however a decision was reached, and I stopped reverting edits, and told Jake lets settle this civilly so things don't go out of hand, I Also had a conversation with Kagimizu and DarkFuture, and we decided what would happen. Jake also got a warning for meatpuppetry and Rude remarks (Also consnsus between me and Kagi). Did I handle that correctly? --

Excuse me Morff, but after having to get involved with the above-mentioned argument, I was able to bring it to an end. However, Jake's behavior was not befitting of how a Rollback should act. I am tempted to give him a ban, but for now I believe his behavior merely warrants a demotion. Could you please?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 02:19, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but I came in late. At first all I did was give Bullet suggestions on how to handle the situation, until Jake finally just got out of control. The edit-warring and immature behavior sticks though. Bullet can give screenshots of skype and Knuckles Wiki Chat convos that show Jake's behavior over the matter. You can also look at my and his talkpage.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 08:24, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Morph, I do admit i acted out of line. Evidence will not be necesary. You may demote me if you wish. Jake the Hedgehog  The Ultimate Apprentice  10:53, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hi want 2 be friends?

Talk 2 me in my talk page!

Bye

Sonicsmansion97 16:44, October 11, 2011 (UTC)Sonicsmansion97

Affiliation
Hi, Video Game Wiki recently affiliated with us, and they featured us on their main page, and they need major expanding, do you think we can feature them on the main page? They featured us, and I think it would only be fair... -- 23:54, October 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Their admin hasn't done it yet, I'll speak to her again, she edits at a lot of wikis, so she probably forgot. -- 11:53, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

RecentChanges
I've refreshed, restarted, etc. And I cannot see the bold coloring on the RecentChanges... Can you? -- 19:37, October 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Look how I originally did the names. For the people with spaces (SLJ has a space, too) use a "_", for Scrabs, use a %26 -- 22:11, October 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Wait... you did do that... Let me figure out the problem. -- 22:13, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

RfA
There's a couple nominations for you to check out. Also, in Special:RecentChanges, all the users I asked cannot see the names bolded. -- 18:06, October 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * On the RecentChanges, some users can't see any, and others can't see the users with symbols/spaces. -- 11:33, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Unfair Kickbans
Hi, Morff. Allow me to explain the situation. You see, there was a user on chat earlier who was spamming, and regardless of age, spamming is spamming, and if warned, it's a worthy kickban. As for Jake's kickban, after that was over, he was complaining about the user being young and based it off his icon, but I told him "I cannot ban him unless he reveals his true age." Then he argued a little more, which seemed highly insulting to a few users, specifically Wkmeads1, and HyperHearts, who were scared from talking by Jake's actions, and he then said to me "why do you have 'issues' today?" which is insulting in mine and Wks eyes. He also called Wk "obnoxious", and said "Be quiet, your comments are unnecessary", which completely scared the user in to not talking, period, even though if his comments are unnecessary, they are not spam, insults, or trolling, therefore, he was allowed to speak. He then said "Tell me when you don't have a pole up your arse (which means "butt") any more Franc". That was highly insulting and the users on the chat also found it to be, which is ultimately why I kickbanned him. For proof and eyewitnesses, ask Wkmeads1. -- 22:25, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

{{jake
 * text = Really? That's all you said? Because as i recall, you told me I was being obnoxious. You told me i was insulting them. You told me i needed to back off. You told me i was complaining about the Wikia Rules.
 * time = Jake the Hedgehog   The Ultimate Apprentice  22:45, October 18, 2011 (UTC)}

Morff, I think this conflict has been resolved, sorry Jake brought this to you, it was pretty much a giant misunderstanding. -- 00:04, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

New Site Graphics
Hi. Check out this forum to see some new graphics this user is designing for us, I personally feel this isn't really a community decision, but more so an admin-decision... Also, I also cannot see users with spaces in their names on the page history bolded...--

Hello
Could you block DarkFuture from this wiki for infinite because he is misunderstanding what the images should be.