Talk:Sonic News Network/Archive 2

5 Months?!?!?!
Why has it been 5 months since the last edit?!?!?! HyperSonicBoom 22:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I think Sonic fans don't know about this wiki. Do you know how we could find some more people to edit here? Are you a member of any sonic forums where you could ask your friends to join in? Angela talk 01:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Just a quick tip: A search for "sonic wiki" on google in apr 2008 yields "Sonic News Network - 15:02

We now have a sister wiki, the Mobius Encyclopaedia!" -- not very informative :) also placing a link in "external links" in key wikipedia articles might help. -- 87.194.117.25 23:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm going to try to make this wiki better, wish me luck! Sacre Fi 23:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Good luck! :) Angela talk 03:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Let me help! I love Sonic 1 and 2! I have some music and have a lot of information. I first think that we should all use the debug mode cheat to map the levels. We can then get the music and put it here. I think that we CAN make a difference to this wiki! 16:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I call all the sonic history pages! i know everything about the older sonics! yay!
 * =D Yay for recruitment! P.S. You don't have a signature template for this wiki yet. ;) Sacre Fi 01:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You can just sign with ~ instead. Angela talk 17:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This is way late, but I guess Sacre got me to come from RS Wiki to over here. 18:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

wwddddddweww== Admins ==

Who are the Admins here? Will there be more added later? Also, if you are looking for something to do, look here 01:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I think the administrators have abandoned this wiki... someone should try to be one after a certain amount of edits. Sacre Fi 04:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)hjuhjjkjuhhgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Template Problems
*Sigh* I think something's wrong with what we're doing with new templates... like Template:General CVG character, because they turn out fine on the template page, but when they're put elsewhere everything goes wrong. I don't mean to be a pain, but we need some advice... Sacre Fi 05:37, 28 ggggggggggggggggggwith my character template! If there was a temlpate making guide, it would help a whole lot! 19:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Anyone know what's up with the References template? Just look at FFF's beloved E-123 (or the newly-ref'd Pir'Oth Ix); the references are numbered fine within the article, but it's all 1's when you actually get to the bottom. Wassup wid dat? (Molten Scandium 23:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC))

Note to Staff
We have voted on an admin on the admin page. Please check it! Thanks! Also, can anybody explain the above? 22:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I've made 2 new admins. User:Splarka is a good person to ask about the template problems. Angela talk 12:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Im going to make this page look like Sonic Channel, but english
Sonic Channel may rule, but this wiki rules!

SNN, Some user threatened me with vandalism
SNN, block this user for threatening me with vandalism, i have been finding sources.

Big Website
This wiki is getting popular and bigger.

Please hurry up with the edits. ITs been 15 years and the articles are quite young.

Comments
I just want to remind everyone to please sign your comments by typing four tildes ( "~" ) at the end of your posts. Thanks. FerralMoonrender 00:19, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey hurry up and edit things faster you guys. We also needed a Featured article or something on the Main page.(Assaulthead 08:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC))

Yeah, on the bottom, I put a link to the featured article voting. I think that we actually need featured articles, now the people are making their own articles. 21:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Main Page design
Hullo! I'm Kirkburn, a Wikia Gaming Helper, and I have a suggestion to make regarding the Main Page. You may be interested in stealing some code from the Wikia Starter wiki which is the current new wiki base design. It makes content a bit easier to add and is easily expanded. Keep up the great work! Kirkburn (talk) 18:38, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a decent idea! I'll see what we can do about it! Thanks for the heads up! - 05:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * How's it look? FerralMoonrender 03:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks great! Kirkburn (talk) 18:06, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Images and Info Suggestions
Enzeru 18:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC) (teamARTAIL, Sonic Style, Sonic Art Archive, Sonic Cult, The Sonic Stadium)

Sonic Criticism
I, Enzeru 16:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC), think we should add a page on Sonic Criticism (don't have time). Includes Canonicity (Sally, Mario, Shuffle, G-Mel, Nazo, X, Elise, other side characters), Relationships (Sally, Blaze, Chris, Elise, Amy), Worlds (where/when Blaze comes from, Earth/Mobius), 4Kids, and Past/Present.

Why Sonic Voices From 4Kids Suck
The reason why Mike Pollock does well as Eggman is because he had clips from Deem Bristow and utilized them. The same goes for Emi Motoi as Amy in Sonic Shuffle, Ryan Drummond as Knuckles in Sonic Shuffle, and so on. Maybe we should just ask Jason Griffith to use Ryan's Sonic clips for reference instead of asking for Drummond back (not that he has a chance of coming back, sadly) or flaming Griffith.

Tiara B.
I've been writing an article about the character Tiara Boobowski from the canceled game, Sonic X-treme. I'm new here, so I'm not familiar with the templates, categories, etc. Can someone let me know which templates and categories I should add at the bottom of her page? ...and furthermore, which ones I should add her to? Stumpers 18:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Great job! Enzeru 18:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Stumpers 00:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Sonic Unleashed
I'm assuming everyone knows of it, right? Enzeru 18:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I definately know,I have it on PS2.?TDK  TDKiller 

Wikia Gaming IRC channel
Hullo! I am Kirkburn, your friendly local Wikia Gaming Helper!

You may be interested to know there is a Wikia gaming IRC channel, #wikia-gaming on chat.freenode.net, where you can hop on, ask for help from users of other gaming wikis, or offer your own experiences. If you are not familiar with IRC clients, you can access it from http://irc.wikia.com/gaming.

Different people may be on sporadically, but we organize weekly chats at a fixed time so we can get the most number of people online at the same time to ask and answer questions, or just to hang out. The admins of some of Wikia's biggest gaming wikis (e.g. WoW, Halo) often attend them. You can find the time for the next chat by following this link.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me! Kirkburn (talk) 11:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Metal Shadic
MetalShadic

Dunno where best to present such topics nor if it's in my power to do something about it as a Member. Sorry.

Does it counts as Vandalism and should be noticed?

--Mystic Monkey 23:56, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Fanon characters are moved to a user's userspace, but in this case it's just an IP account... what to do... Stumpers 00:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, is it allowed for people to leave User links to there fan characters on the appropriate page? Like on my page, it would help with the explanation of the page.

Mystic Monkey 14:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

PS. Who should I discuss if I see any problems or should I just report the page through the tab?
 * One of the admins, FerralMoonrender, is always quick in this sort of thing. He's usually on at least once a week and took care of a similar problem about two weeks ago.  There are other people you can ask, too, of course, but FM has been who I run to with spam/vandalism/etc. Stumpers 00:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

---Featured article we should lower the time limit an article is featured, this one has been featured for about 5 or so months.

Im in Sonic Rush 3?
I sent a report on this topic But just to know, no, Mystic Monkey is not appearing in any Sonic games.

However I got a message from the original person who started the topic and edited my profile abit, He thought my userpage was an article.

Besides Sonic Rush 3, how come unregesterd guests get to edit users accounts? Mystic Monkey 11:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * They're not supposed to, but there is technically nothing stopping them, you just have to revert any changes they make, and, if it becomes a real problem, leave a message on their talk page and warn an admin (such as myself), who can protect pages from editing by unregistered users. ~ FerralMoonrender 10:48, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Main page layout and monaco skin
Hi all, your friendly local Wikia Gaming helper here!

I've been working on a new main page layout. Hopefully you have read about the skin and ad changes at Wikia's New Style on Central Wikia. If not, I hope you'll have a look.

One of the changes is a block of two ads on each main page. It's possible that they won't always show up, but to ensure your main page continues to work properly when they do, you need to update your main page column formatting code with new column tags.

I have drafted a main page using the new tags on User:Kirkburn/Dev which I hope you can take a look at - feel free to edit it of course. The main change to the layout is the fixed width of the right column. This still allows a lot of customisation - for example see these main pages - w:c:muppet, w:c:wowwiki, w:c:ffxi. If you encounter any problems with the new tags, please let me know. The new design also has a section for contents links - this should really be filled out to give visitors a sense of what you cover and quick links to the important stuff. I will look at filling in a few.

You also need to consider the move to Monaco skin, and whether you want to customise the skin for this wiki. For examples of customisation, see Memory Alpha, Millitary Wikia, Rappelz or even (if you really want to see what can be done) UK Transport Wikia.

Or, you can choose one of the defaults. Please let me know what you prefer!

Thanks, Kirkburn (talk) 12:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I've updated the draft with links to some of the main articles - it could probably be expanded/improved with someone with better knowledge of what's popular and useful. Regarding the poll, I realise that goes off the screen - there's a fairly easy tweak to the CSS that will fix it for live. I'd love to get the new layout in before next week - any feedback for it? Kirkburn (talk) 11:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Can the header ("Welcome to the Sonic News Network", etc.) go all the way across the top? I think that would make it look a lot better. If you want my honest opinion, (and please don't take this personally,) i think it looks awful compared to our current main page (and our current main page took me quite a while to design, too!) I'm annoyed about being forced to switch to Monaco in general, (I've always hated the Monaco skin,) but if we have to switch, I guess we have to. I'll work on it over the weekend, and I do appreciate and thank you for your help. ~ FerralMoonrender 08:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I see now that it can't, because that would interfere with the ads (which look atrocious, by the way.) Oh well, at least the ads will fill the awkward whitespace. ~ FerralMoonrender 08:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The reason for that is that ad buyers like to have joined-up ads, and it also means the ads aren't "within" the content as much. I do understand the frustration, but there's still a lot you can do with it. Regarding the skin, it mainly affects anon visitors - you can still choose to browse on monobook if you wish :) Kirkburn (talk) 12:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Any news, or particular way the design could be improved? I want to make the transition as smooth as possible. (I made the old gamingstarter and current starter layouts - so it's not as if I'm not familiar with the design :P )
 * I should also mention, for logged-in users, the only ads you will see are on the main page. The reason we double-up on ads there is because ad buyers really like that spot, and pay better for it - by having more there, it means we can have less elsewhere. Kirkburn (talk) 12:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I have made a few more tweaks, fixed the poll, and put it live. Please feel free to tweak it. As for the skin, Monaco Sapphire seems to fit well with the site. Is it okay as-is, or would you like any customizations? Kirkburn (talk) 18:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * As there have been no objections, I have switched the skin. Kirkburn (talk) 23:16, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Can't edit main page, and someone make this correction?
I noticed the main page, has been protected, which is fine and dandy. I was just wondering if someone could correct the information about Mobius Encyclopaedia where it says it currently has "145 articles" and correct it to be "400 articles". Thanks for your time. - Dimitri the Echidna 22:33, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Update, Mobius Encyclopaedia is up to 500 articles. If someone could update that for me, it'd be awesome. - Dimitri the Echidna 20:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

R.E The Wikia gaming section at the bottom of the main page
can an admin edit it, so it includes, Sega and Smashwiki and any other related Wikia wiki's

-- 22:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

New here
Hi, I'm new here. I'm from The Super Mario Wiki. Anyways, If you guys want some inside info, ask Chaosninji, he's Pete Capella's cousin. Now, if you excuse me, I'm checking out the Chatroom.-KP Blue 18:14, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

New Character Template Idea
Hey all, I just wanted to throw a new idea out there for templates containing character lists. The main one is getting very overwhelming with the vast amount of characters, and is growing with every day. So, my plan is to change it Template:Recurring Game Characters, while characters who were in one game only (Excluding cameos), will be placed in a template for characters from that specific game, much like how I did here. Games with sequels would share the same template. For example: Template:Sonic Riders Characters. I also propose something similar for the comics, and shows, but, going by arc, instead of game. What's everyone's opinions on my proposal? Skeletal '''SLJCOAAATR Soul 22:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's a good idea. The old one is getting too big and crowed. Unknown the Hedgehog 22:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ...Anyone else...? Skeletal '''SLJCOAAATR Soul 19:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

SLJ's Goals

 * Merge game plot info from character articles, to game articles. (Example: E-123 Omega)
 * Remove excess/un-needed images from articles.
 * Shorten reationship sections in character articles. One-time relations/ver minor relations need to be cut down very much, and have only the vital parts remain, or be completely removed. (Example: Amy Rose)
 * (See above

I hope you all see eye to eye with me, and agreewith my ideas to improve/neaten up a bit more. I wanted to place this here before I changed anything,so that you could all place your ideas/opinions. Thank you. Skeletal '''SLJCOAAATR Soul 19:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Regarding your wanting to remove info from the 'Relationships' sections, I can understand the arguments for conciseness, and that this is not meant to be a collection of every scrap of info about the kitchen sink, but if we can have more specific info, I don't see any reason not to do so. What would you think of having separate pages, or better yet, subpages, for more specific info (ex. Amy Rose/Relationships) or do you have a different idea? ~ FerralMoonrender 23:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * How about a page for relationships in general?E123Brawler 01:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that would just be worse. A subpage for relationships is just moving the mess from one place to another. All we need to do is trim it down a bit.
 * Why do we need to merge the plot content? It's already in the articles. And readers should be able to know the character's role in a certain game without having to go back and forth between articles.Fair field fencer F F <font color="#FF2400">F  09:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we should keep them all in the characters articles, just, trim it down to just the vital stuff.
 * As for the game roles, that's part of the reason the Wiki articles were merged. We just don't need that. A quick summerization of their roles in each continuity, but, don't go too much in-depth. Save that for each specific games article. <font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal '''<font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR <font color="#800080">Soul 23:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Scourge The Hedgehog
The Main page is missing Scourge The Hedgehog in the Villians Section.
 * It's just for the major game characters. Scourge isn't even that important. <font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal '''<font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR <font color="#800080">Soul
 * There's more useless villains there too.Metal Knuckles isn't important.He's only in 1 game,right,Sonic R?<font color="Red">TDK  <font color="Yellow">TDKiller 

Fanart
I my opinion, fanart images here, on SNN aren't serving any relevance, and should be deleted. What do you, the Sonic News Network community, think about the matter? <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Admin 21:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think fan-art should only be for people's user look-up. Fan art wouldn't be informative for most, being as anyone can add stuff like different colors and anything else that would cause many rumors, like "OMG! Sonic is really fat!" or "HEY! Shadow's stripes are really blue!" or any other nonsense. Sonic Fan Fiction is also pointless on a Sonic Wiki, due to the fact that some Sonic Fan stuff may serve no relation to Sonic at all. --Nickno 22:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Nick, by user look-up, I assume you mean userspace? As I'm fine with that. It's just, I don't have the time to go through EVERY bit of fanart, and check to see if it's even being used at all... <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Admin 22:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with SLJ in theory, but might widespread deletion of fanon creations alienate some editors who contribute useful articles as well? Wouldn't the wiki be better served by someone making one canon article and one fanon article than it would by someone who makes no articles at all? (Molten Scandium 22:24, 13 January 2009 (UTC))
 * That's fine, and dandy, Molten. If you see a 'fanon' article, look at the page's 'History'. If there's pretty much been one solid editor for it, select 'Move'. Type in User:(Insert users name here, not this)/(Name of article, not this.)
 * Make sure you don't forget the '/'! <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Admin 22:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Oops. Yeah, I meant userspace. Anyways, I really think fan art shouldn't be on this wiki at all. I was thinking at another one's point of view. I mean really, The SONIC Wiki should be about, umm, oh yeah, SONIC ! But, I guess there will always BE Sonic Fan stuff on here. Also, I think SLJ's theory of moving fan pages by one person is good. If someone makes their own Sonic character, then they should have it on their userspace. It makes perfect sense. --Nickno 22:47, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

←SLJ, people have been putting fanart on here for a while. Let's just leave it. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. Y'know? Having a conversation between a small group of editors and then deleting all these images without telling anybody about it, is exactly the same injustice we had on Wikipedia with that huge merge.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  23:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, this came at an opportune time. With reference to what I've just done with Scrap Brain Zone. While I was rewriting and re=formatting that article I was actually thinking a nice piece of fanart wouldn't go amiss. And I think it looks better the way it is than if you take it out. 'Cos you see, it is relevant where I've stuck it.

(Molten Scandium 01:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC))
 * Fanart can't be used in articles because it doesn't depict the article's subject properly. You're treating this like I was with information I saw as relevant on Wikipedia. But there's just one tiny flaw in that argument. All the information I wanted to keep was official, while the fanart you want to put in articles is not.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  10:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the main priority with fanart is simply leave it were it is and remove any that makes its way into article-space. That way, everyone wins.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  10:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Fanart can't be used in articles because it doesn't depict the article's subject properly. - Good point, well made. In which case I concur. (Molten Scandium 11:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC))
 * T'whatever suits yo boat, Triple. Looks like we'll just keep it out of mainspace. Any other opinions? <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Admin 20:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, in my honest opinion, 99% of fanrt is crap, both in appearance and in design. This is a wiki, with no need for fancruft. And even if fanart is limited, as it has been as of late, people will still post it. It's better just to ban it altogether, but even then, it likely won't solve anything.<font color="Red">E123 <font color="Black">Brawler  <font color="Red">Ω  01:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, because it'll still get uploaded. Users on this wiki have every right to put whatever information about themselves on their userpages. I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to put fanart there as well.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  11:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Fanart should be restricted to userpages and connected pages (IE. userpage/something), outside the main space. In some cases though, where it's impossible for an original image and a fan made image is as close as possible to the needed image, then that should be passable. Flashfire212 09:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No it shouldn't. This website deals with official information. The images in the articles should be official too.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  11:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Real image, or no image at all. <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Admin 20:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I mean that fanart can be useful. They use Fanart on the Final Fantasy wiki to great effect. Why can't they use it here for improved images of badniks if the image just plain sucks? Flashfire212 00:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

You have a very good point there, Flashfire212.-It&#39;s-a me, KP Blue!! Wish me luck in the final WST

Thank you! Flashfire212 00:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Like I've alreadt stated, we deal with official info in articles so we should deal with official images as well. Those guys at the Final Fantasy wiki think it's a good idea, but I say different for numerous reasons. One of those reasons is fanart can never be trusted to be 100% accurate which is what we want our articles to be. Take fanart of E-123 Omega for example. Every piece of artwork of him I've seen has not been completely accurate. Most of the time they give him two Omega symbols when he usually has one. The few artists that actually manage to avoid that mistake usually make others. Like the images quality isn't good enough. Like the artist sowia. He's always avoided that mistake but he always draws things in pencil so the quality isn't good enough. And he's drawn pictures of Team Dark at Christmas or on holiday at the seaside. If somebody comes across this image after seeing that sowia drew an image of Omega and it's on his article, the user might think "Am I supposed to think because those pieces of fanart with Team Dark at the seaside are official because they used sowia's other fanart on a wiki? Maybe." When the answer is actually no.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  10:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I support fan art. I Believe that Fan art for mainspace articles should only be aprooved by admins and higher mods, but still be allowed to be uploaded for Userpage uses like my pictures on my userpages. You won't find them anywhere else. Still if uploading fan art on SNN is a problem to the server or however it works then why not a seperate method of uploading that works? Eitherway it falls in my support for (admin aprooved) fan articles can be allowed on SNN. Incidentally fan art can also be used for mainspace articles if the picture is accurate. for example in the Mighty the Armadillo article we had a picture from Chris Supernerd until replaced by a picture from Archie. Point is at least some fan art should be allowed in Mainspace while OK for Userpages unless it is causing a technical problem with the server that holds SNN images. Also take into notice that SNN if a fan project itself and not made by Sega or Sonic Team--Mystic Monkey 22:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah. I remember Chris' 3D Mighty. But, as FFF has stated, there's some sort of mistake, and could easily fool fans. Back when Mighty had on article on Wikipedia, and that image was used, I thought that it meant Mighty was in a 3D game, and went crazy trying to find him. Then I realised it was photoshopped off Sonic's Shadow art. Same for Tikal's nex-gen art, but, with Amy. Point is, fanart is completely irrelevant. <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Admin 22:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if irrelevent on Mainspace then so be it, perhaps selected fan artist SNN trust to provide pictures for certain articles but if in general fanart is not allowed on Mainspace then I atleast hope it be OK for userpages. I know I said I support aprooved fan articles but lets talk about 'now' than future matters. I have fan art on my userpage thats to show who my fan char is, be problem if by no fan art, it includes Userpage pictures.--Mystic Monkey 23:31, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that Fan art should only be used for characters for which there are limited images of, such as Mephiles or Chip who only appear once and don't even have Sonic Channel bios.
 * No. The fanart should stick to userpages and nothing more. There are loads of reasons why. Show me any simple fanart image and I'll put up a good case why it shouldn't be in an article.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  20:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Not minding whether Mainspce or not, What if it's volunteered and SNN approved fan art as long as it's all accurate? Though Id be satisfied if fanart be allowed on Userpages.--Mystic Monkey 03:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No. I doubt it would be 100% accurate. And besides, the articles deal with official info, the images should be official too.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  08:59, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * True, agree with you there. Problem is getting the official images even if the articles about a rare character. Closest I believe for Mighty would be from Knuckles' Chaotix... I think, I don't own the original copy with manual.--Mystic Monkey 13:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean like this? <font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  13:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yah thats the one. *Checks the Mighty link again* Well was sure it wasn't there last time I checked. Point is that though we have pictures of Archie sonic characters, it's best to provide them with pictures from alternate selves like games etc.--Mystic Monkey 14:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * For that we need pictures from the games and not fanart. just wanted to get that straight.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  14:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Enzeru 17:45, 28 January 2009 (UTC) I say fanart is acceptible on actual pages ONLY if the character has no drawn art we can use on the page and is Sonic Adventure/Sonic Channel styled (ex. Photoshop art of Chip using SA2B style.
 * Can you guarantee it would be 100% accurate? I once saw a recolor of Shadow's Channel art to make it look like Mephiles and I could see things wrong with it. And they're basically the same.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  18:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I think fanart is ok, it should only be used on user namespace, though.--Digisapien 23:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

THIS IS TOTALLY STUPID!!!!!!!!!! Fanart is like any other pic!!!! THAT IS BULLCRAP!!!!!! D:<

In-Universe / Out-Universe writing style
As my beady eye catches the glorious updated front page and ol' Meatbag-hating Omega, I also notice the starting phraseology: "E-123 Omega is a fictional robot robot from the Sonic the Hedgehog video game universe..."'

I.e. not written in an in-universe style (circa my recent Solaris Project page). I'm wondering, before I go on writing more articles, if this is accepted best practice? I don't particularly WANT to have to qualify all my articles with "This is a fictional zone / robot / character" at the start, and I don't think articles on the Sonic wiki require this kind of qualification, given that it's... well, it's not Wikipedia. It isn't supposed to contain a wealth of information on IRL things, so no-one who's going to be reading it is going require the opening "This is fictional" discalimer tag.

Molten Scandium 17:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This is 100% optional, my friend.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  17:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Okays! ^_^ (Molten Scandium 18:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC))
 * Yeup, you're safe. <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Admin 22:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Templaaaaaaaaaates vs. canon
Fellow editors;

While clicking happily on the "Random page" button in an effort to increase my general understanding of those canons what I ain't not seen none of, a theme emerges.

And that theme's name is "Articles with no attribution as to what continuity they belong in".

This is perhaps something of a problem, if we want this wiki to become the central repository of information from... well, all canons. It's important to be able to distinguish between them; especially if you're a fascist like me who eschews all mention of anything but game canon from his own fanfic-y works.

Accordingly:

Might I propose that new templates of the above nature be implemented, with a view as to more clearly specifying the continuity of articles dealing with characters / events / locations which appear only in a single sphere of the grand Sonic metaverse?

Molten Scandium 23:35, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent idea. Make the templates at once but replace the images of characters with the logo of the individual canon.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  08:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Personally, I would say to also make ones for Sonic The Comic and Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog. Games arn't really needed. Also, for note of all things fanon, we should have a fanon catagory for userpage connected/forum connected fanfics and the like. Flashfire212 09:40, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed on both accounts. Comics should have their own template. The logo should be easy to get. The categories for fan pages I at first thought unnecessary, but it would help clear things up for the confused reader.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  09:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I fully intended to craft templates for the comics as well; the two you see above were simply the 'samplers' from what will become a complete set. As for replacing the character pictures with the the appropriate series logos...

THAT was my alternative output for the Sonic Underground one, but I didn't think it looked as good as the Sonia / Manic version. Molten Scandium 11:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, here's another one for ya:


 * {| style="background:#000080; border:1px solid #bbaaba; width:450px;text-align:centre; padding:5px"

<font color="#FFE4E1">This article deals exclusively with a feature of the <font color="#1E90FF">Sonic OAV Movie universe. <font color="#FFE4E1">Be aware that the information presented may not be canonical to the storyline of the Sonic games.
 * style="padding-right: 1em;" |[[Image:SonicTailsSleep.gif|120px]]
 * style="padding-right: 1em;" |<div style="margin-top: 1ex; padding: 0.3ex 1em; border-top: 2px #F5F5DC solid; border-bottom: 2px #F5F5DC solid;">
 * }


 * Molten Scandium 11:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just replace the images with the logos, (you can probably find them on Wikipedia), and then send 'em out throughout the wiki. I must say, Molten, keep it up and admin status is most definitely yours.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  11:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Tails' face I think captures what runs through all our heads when we see some of the fanon insanity people come out with:


 * {|style="color: #000000; background-color: #CC0000; border: 2px solid #000000; padding: 2px; a{ color:#ffffff;}" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 align="center"

<font color="#FFFF33"> THIS ARTICLE IS MARKED FOR SPEEDY DELETION <font color="#FFFF33">It discusses completly unsanctioned fan work and has at best only a tenuous relationship with any official Sonic media <font color="FFFF33">You should move the article to Userspace ASAP, or you may soon find it deleted by an admin
 * style="padding-right: 1em;" |[[Image:Tailswut.jpg|90px]]
 * style="padding-right: 1em;" |<div style="margin-top: 1ex; padding: 0.3ex 1em; border-top: 2px #000000 solid; padding:10px; border-bottom: 2px #000000 solid;">
 * }


 * Poor, poor Tails. Molten Scandium 23:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL. But, Scandium, templates are supposed to go right at the top of articles. I just wanted to clear that out.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  10:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The one on the movie page was nearly at the top. I only shifted it down a tad so you didn't have the MASSIVE GAPING WHITE SPACES on either side.


 * But I take it from this you'd prefer a wide, banner-like template rather than the squashed one I have now, such that the template can be placed at the very top but the aforementioned white spaces aren't there? Molten Scandium 12:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'd prefer for the articles to look nice and neat. I'm a bit of a perfectionist.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  13:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Better?

I'll go update the template now, then. ^^ Molten Scandium 13:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Finished Templates
Volia:

The above is implemented with .

The above is implemented with .

The above is implemented with .

The above is implemented with .

The above is implemented with .

The above is implemented with .

The above is implemented with .

These are all working and ready to be rolled out. They automaticly add the article to the relevent category, and the template pages themselves include advice on best-use practice and how to resolve possible overlaps. ENJOY!! ^_^


 * (PS: I did look for the logos, on Wikipedia AND Google, but Underground and Sonic X were the only ones I could find. And I had to edit the Sonic X one in Paint myself to get eh background the right colour, which was a bit of a chore I can tell you.)

Molten Scandium 00:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Molten, these are most impressive and will come in very useful. Thank you for all your hard work and determination. You're going to be one of the key gears in the great machine known as the Sonic News Network.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  10:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Aww, I was the one who suggested and wanted to make these ages ago when I started out to help organise between the different canons and even a banner for fancruft.--Mystic Monkey 01:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * So... why didn't you? Molten Scandium 09:20, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 'cus no admin or mod permited me to make them.--Mystic Monkey 14:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Amazing, Molten! As Triple F has stated, you'll be a key player here. Too bad I can't get time to do any major work... ^.^;
 * Anyways, I shall start looking for articles to place these in. Think you could make one along the lines of "This is a fanpage, used only for fanon purposes, and has no relation to any canons's." As well as, ones for the Knuckles' comics, Universe, and those old miniseries'? <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Admin 15:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Im getting lulz'd at, I just know it, since we usually argue over fancruft eh SLJ? :P. >_< So how do you make these banners anyway?--Mystic Monkey 03:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Monkey: You'll note I made prototypes FIRST and THEN asked for permission to implement them. ;D If you want to know how to make them: just steal the code from one of mine and play around with it in Sandbox, or something. It's not too hard once you get the hang of it. If you were wanting to know how to place them: it's just as I laid out above. When you're editing a page, simply type at the top and the AoStH banner will turn up when you view it normally. Molten Scandium 22:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

SLJ: Consider it done. For fanon, at least. With regard to the other miniseries: I understand where you're coming from, but there's something of a problem, and it applies to a lesser extent to the SatAM template too. Before I made these templates, FFF told me that the SatAM and Archie continuities, while largely overlapping, were technically distinct and so I'd be best to make a banner for both of them seperately. And I did, as ye can see above. The problem is that I've found a grand total of ONE article that's in SatAM and not Archie (and I'm not even certain about that one, given that I never watched / read either of those series), which has made me question the need for a SatAM template at all. A combined SatAM / Archie one, on the other hand, would sweep the problem away entirely. Why is this relevant to your request? Well, basicly because I think the problem's only gonna get worse with the Knuckles comics, which are exactly the same continuity as Archie. We'd run the risk of ending up with, liek, multiple banners per page: Archie Continuity and Knuckles series continuity and SatAM continuity' all for the same article, making it both CONFUSING and HORRIBLY UNTIDY. So my humble proposal is this: Just use the ones we have for now (in fact, maybe roll it back one, 'cos the more I think about it, the more attractive a singular SatAM + Archie banner becomes), and IF AND WHEN the number of articles deaing with Knuckles comics / Universe comics ALONE gets to a high enough level, then roll out specific templates for 'em. I just think it's a waste of our time (and, most horribly, MY time in making it) collecting templates that only apply to about two articles, y'see. Molten Scandium 22:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be rather untidy with all those templates. God, imagine what Sonic's article would look like.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  00:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm convinced to agre now, Molten. Even putting up good arguments, unlike my puss-bag come backs. This one's got great potential! Now if only my guy would get back with my plans...... <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Sonic Wikia Admin 01:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I do talk sense sometimes. :) Also, here's the "Fanon" one. I made it a bit louder than the other templates, as it's... well, it's a warning that it's all lies, isn't it?


 * The above is implemented with .


 * I guess credit should go to Mystic Monkey again, as a peruse of the Forums shows that he thought of this 6 months ago as well, lolz. Molten Scandium 02:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I would of helped and made the banner if I knew how banner making and the permisison system works. ^_^; I was wither gonna have Mystic at first but though Ashura would be more of a neutral choice. But I hope the fan banner will be used well, not just for userpages but permitted fan articles, but that discussion is for here since it's already there. Plus technically the fan information would relate to the continuality, unless it truely has nothing to do with Sonic, lik,e a Mario fna on this Wiki.--Mystic Monkey 13:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Although it's a bit late now, FOR FUTURE REFERENCE I'd advise putting the templates at the bottom of the page rather than the top. Lengthy experimentation has demonstrated that, on aggregate, it looks neater down there. Otherwise you have a big wide banner taking up space (and attention) in the opening screen, which tends to detract from the nice presentation of those better-constructed articles. Molten Scandium 20:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * VERY NICE, Molten!
 * Actually, they're better off at the top, due to people who don't look at the bottom. Let's say, without the fanon template, someone looks at a fanon article, doesn't see it at top, assumes it's real. <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Sonic Wikia Admin 21:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Agree with the Fanon one, if only because that's denoting COMPLETLY non-canonical information and so your attention SHOULD be drawn away from the content of the article itself. But for the official continuity templates, I can't escape a feeling of horrible guilt when I just slap it there at the top of a well-constructed article and ruin the encyclopaedic look. :S


 * Plus, if you're interested in an article enough to care which continuity it's from, I'd think you'd be interested enough to scroll down to the bottom? Molten Scandium 21:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Breaxorz
True, but, there's nothing wrng with it. I've found myself getting side-tracked to a link to another article before finishing the one I'm reading. So, personally, I say the top is fine. It looks like a good way to start, and prevents cluelesseness. Any other opinions? <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Sonic Wikia Admin 21:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This about top or bottom? Banners go to the top, it's like wiki tradition :D. That and it helps researchers know they found the right articles they are looking for than stating "What is this crap" mid way through the article.--Mystic Monkey 20:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "I've found myself getting side-tracked to a link to another article before finishing the one I'm reading." - Good point, well made. Top it is! Molten Scandium 20:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

fanart
how about fanart could go at the very bottom and labeled as fanart so everyone knows its fanart? Illogic armada 20:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No. What's the point of doing so? Images are needed to depict things. How you're suggesting it, such actions wouldn't be needed.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  21:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)