Talk:Tails Doll/Archive 1

Should we make a robotic counterpart category?
I think it might be a good idea, but what do you guys think? -- 050294 01:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh. Maybe. We should probably get other things sorted out first, though.  SLJCO  AAATR  So  ul  01:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * We should-- there are a lot of them...
 * Tailsfan999 10:56, March 22, 2011 (UTC)Tailsfan999

Revisions?
I say, old bean Alexrd, what's with the excision of colour scheme? Removing Ghost-series gems I can accept, but it's difficult to deny that the creature is orange / white...? The Doctor... IS IN Molten Scandium  19:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, it's difficult do deny that the creature is orange and white. Everybody can see his picture. There is no need to fill those fields. Those are for articles without pictures. Alexrd 21:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Or for users who can't load pictures, or for visually-challenged users who rely on text-reading software for details. -- Supermorff 21:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah some times my PSP does not load the pic on some pages-- Noname The Hero  ( Hero Talk ) This is the liberty we've won for ourselves....OUTER HAVEN 23:39, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

why cant we put down on Trivia that Tails Doll might be created by Travelers Tales? Sentai the Husky  Live Free....or DIE HARD!  13:22, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it's just an assumption without reason. Alexrd 13:19, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

oh, 'k then. Sentai the Husky  Live Free....or DIE HARD!  19:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

ok how about this, i put down what Tails doll is in Japanese. if it's useless, then just tell me and i'll erase it.-- Sentai the Husky  Live Free....or DIE HARD!  03:50, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Um,I found A Tails Doll sprite,But I don't knoe if it's fan Art or not. Can Someone help me?-Sharna 22:43, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Fan Art, definately. Tails Doll never got any sprites, since he's never been in a 2D game.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 22:45, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Kay. I thought so. It looked rly real so I din't know.--Sir Rath 22:48, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Trivia
The Trivia section is about trivia of the Tails Doll (individual) not any tails doll that was created. For that, I suggest to create a page for any tails doll, except the character. Alexrd 00:02, November 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * You can do that if you like, although I have no problem having some info about all the tails dolls here. -- Supermorff 08:11, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Lock
should we lock this page so that only admins can edit it? Midnight Wolf  Don't be hatin'!  13:54, November 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Tempting. Has there been recent trouble to warrant it? -- Supermorff 17:32, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

* shrugs* i dont know. but you can never be too careful Midnight Wolf  Don't be hatin'!  16:21, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Why? There's no reason to lock it.Alexrd 10:28, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Tails Doll Curse
Kay, so I know the curse doesn't really exist, but it is wildly believed. I think we could add a section mentioning that it's a popular belief that tails doll is cursed.  Myself 123  21:58, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't. It would only feed that lie. Alexrd 21:00, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Not unless you put a warning stating that it's not real. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master


 * I agree with Alexrd. We don't need it, it doesn't add anything. And no, it's not a popular belief. Nobody with any sense believes it. It is, in fact, a popular joke, and nothing more. -- Supermorff 17:47, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

We could at least add something that has to do with its meme-ing. It appeared ar Summer of Sonic 09-- Milo the  echidna  13:54, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's better - a notable reference. It would be good if you can find a couple more. -- Supermorff 17:58, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * besides, the curse is a bunch of spam. so why put it on the wiki if spam is not allowed? Midnight Wolf  Don't be hatin'!  16:55, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Cleaned the article
I've cleaned the article from irrelevant and misleading information. The article is about Tails Doll (individual) from Sonic R, not other characters similar to it. Alexrd 20:56, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's irrelevant, yes. This article is about the character from Sonic R. Not about any other. If an article is needed for other character, let's create it. Alexrd 21:24, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * What? If an article is about someone, you talk about him, not another person. Alexrd 21:30, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

As well as their relationship with other characters. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master
 * But that's not the case on this situation. As such, I see no relevance on talking about the other replicas. Alexrd 21:35, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * As you said yourself, it is unofficial. Unofficial information on a Wiki is considered spam. Alexrd 21:39, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Like what, my annoying friend? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master


 * First, this is not Sonic Retro. Second, saying that we should have it just because Sonic Retro has it, is a fallacy. Third, it' still unofficial information. Alexrd 21:46, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * What's the part of "unofficial" that you don't understand?Alexrd 21:53, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Sonic Retro is way better than us. Not to mention, some of the onformation your deleteing is from Sonic Channel, created by Sonic Team themselves. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master
 * I belong to Sonic Retro. I've contributed to their Wiki myself. Besides, what information have I deleted which is from Sonic Channel?Alexrd 21:53, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Trivia on this page is good and should not be deleted. The Tails Doll cameos in the archie comics could even have its own section rather than just be in the trivia. The AoStH info is fun and good trivia as is the Sonic Rivals and Sonic Adventure info. especially since they are all other tails dolls made by robotnik. Similarly, the Metal Sonic page alludes to other robot versions of Sonic. The trivia clearly mentions that they are references or coincidences, either way they educate readers on Tails doll information. Sonictoast 22:05, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * The trivia section is supposed to be about the character itself. Examples are behind-the-scenes information about the character, official info about it's original purpose, etc... Not about other similar characters. Alexrd 22:08, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * nothing in the trivia is about a different character. Just other dolls of Tails which are objects, not characters. The Trivia is simply making readers aware that the Tails doll concept is present in a number of different Sonic texts. Plus the Archie comics cameo is the actual character about whom the article is for.Sonictoast 22:13, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Then let the Archie info remain. But the info on the chart is full of unofficial information, and I will remove it. You, as a sysop should revert these type of info too, instead of just revert. Alexrd 22:25, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. You don't need to tell sysops, admins, beaucrats, etc. how to do their job. Besides, I'm colser than you. I made over 4,000 edits in my time on this wiki. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master
 * At least, Sonictoast understood my intentions, unlike you both. And what do you mean by saying you've made over 4,000 edits? Does it make you better than anyone? You need to grow up. Alexrd 22:47, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

I understand your intentions perfectly. You just executed them the wrong way. And about the 4,000 edits, that just means I have experience. Meaning, I have more experience than you, dude. I'm not trying to be rude. (imitating Sonic) I just gotta do what I gotta do! That's all! Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Who are you to say that I have less experience than you? By the number of edits? Please, be serious. Alexrd 23:02, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, man. (head spins around like from The Excorsist) Sonic &amp;  Scrab  Master

That's the way I see it to be honest. Admins have a lot of experience. That's y they are what they are. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

I tend to appreciate what Alexrd is trying to do, but I disagree with the way he has done it - and I also think that antagonising him in the way certain people have done on this talk page is immature and unnecessary. This page is used to document all characters that are called Tails Doll. There is more than one such character, but the one from Sonic R is the most prominent. Therefore, that character is the one mentioned in the introduction paragraph.

Alexrd, if you feel that information should be put into a separate article - that is, if you think that this page should be for the Sonic R character only - then DO NOT delete information. Instead, create the new article yourself and move information to that article, leaving a link on this page.

Can somebody please provide a reference to the Sonic Channel info on this page? In particular, as Sonic Channel is a Japanese website, how was it translated? -- Supermorff 15:20, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, apologies. I've just checked the page's edit history and see that the ongoing edit war is only about the information in the infobox. A couple of thoughts: Tails Doll has never expressed any likes or dislikes, the nicknames appear to be made by fans rather than used in-universe, and the idea of robots having 'family' continues to baffle me. -- Supermorff 15:26, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Same reason Tails Doll did. Nobody had deleted it. Or, if they had deleted it, someone else put it back. -- Supermorff 16:59, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Supermoff, and sorry for any trouble. I remember when FerralMoonrender had quit from SNN because of the great amount of fanon and childish stuff in the articles, and that's what I was trying to remove. But it's impossible with some members. At least you are one of the few serious people around here. Alexrd 17:32, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

But not even Supermorff is all work and no play. Many of the things u call "childish" can be useful. And u kept removing info that people who need help understnding the character need. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master
 * Play what? Do you think a Wiki is a place to play? And what type of "useful" info have I removed? If it's not official info, there's no need to be on the article. Alexrd 18:06, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Its official al right. That's what it says on Sonic Channel and the Sonic website. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master
 * What's official? I only see you complaining, but you can't say a thing that I've deleted and is official. Alexrd 18:43, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Quite simple, my friend. Go to Sonic Channel or Sega website, it'll give u all the info you need, pal. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Sonic Channel is in Japanese, so please provide a link and a translation. Can somebody please also provide a reference to whether Tails Doll is the slowest character in the game. If not, then we will get rid of that information too. -- Supermorff 20:02, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

[http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://sonic.sega.jp/&ei=taW7S8CJBYvM8wSKnIzkBw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CA8Q7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsonic%2Bchannel%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff Is this what your looking for? Enjoy!] Sonic &amp;  Scrab  Master

No sir. You claimed that I've deleted official info. I'm asking you what info have I deleted. You can't make me go search something that only you claim. You are the one with the burden of proof. Not me. Supermorff, I've been trying to delete that info because: 1) Amy and Egg Robot are slower than Tails Doll. 2) There is no reference that can support that info. Alexrd 21:50, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, Sonic & Scrab Master, that is a translation of the home page of Sonic Channel. That page does not have any information pertaining to Tails Doll. Please translate the specific page that has information relating to Tails Doll. In fact, after a very quick check on the Sonic R page at The GHZ, I can see that Amy is indeed the slowest character in the game. Tails Doll actually has a high top speed. So info goes. -- Supermorff 22:20, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Then why don't you post the link? There is no info there that supports what was in the article, as such, I agree with Supermorff. Alexrd 22:45, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

since when was he referred to as male? Same with Metal Knuckles Puppy1   Hi!  13:18, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because it's modelled after a male character.  Myself 123  18:15, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Description
Is that translated properly? Cus it says there's a power plant in it's head.  Myself 123  18:20, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Should there be something about the proposed "Tails Doll Curse"?   Why do I exist...?  01:42, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not unless you can find adequate, encyclopedic, secondary sources for references. -- Supermorff 18:58, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Aosth Episode
The episode in question was "Grounder the Genius". I would've been able to put that down, but...it's locked for some reason. PikachuColoredPichu 22:06, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks, I'll add that. Yeah, it's locked because of people spamming the page with nonsense about the Tails Doll curse. -- Supermorff 17:52, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, yeah...I don't blame you. In fact, I spoke to the original spreader (forget his name), he's surprised it spread TOO far. PikachuColoredPichu 10:06, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Ok lets get something clear here
I have seen too many topics (even form Admins) about the "Tails Doll Curse" and edits of it into the trivia, I would like to clear up a misconception about it. There is no Tails Doll Curse, I don't know a single person who takes it seriiously, the real reason it exists is to parody Cuckie form Child's Play that's all there is to it. If people feel that it should be brought up somewhere in the trivia, then make it factual and state the truth, which is that fans like to use the caracter to satire ''Child's Play. ''74.70.209.222 20:36, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I wasn't aware of the Child's Play influence until you mentioned it. However, it definitely merits some kind of attention -- while I'm not sure how to "cite" something like popularity, depicting the Tails Doll as a nightmarish demon is, at the very least, notably widespread in fandom. - Caswin 21:58, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well (and yes I am the guy who started this topic but was unregistered before) could put it in the trivia section in the form of something like "This character has been used by numerous fans to parody the film Child's Play to the point where there is a comedic false curse about this character made by fans." It isn't perfect but it's a start, more importantly, I want to know if people think it should be mentioned in the trivia at all since it isn't really useful to the cannon character. Though in an informative way it might help clarify information to those who have never played Sonic R and don't know much about the character.
 * P.S. It's kind of funny really, I've never actually seen any of the Child's Play films, I just know about the idea that there is a doll who is evil and murders others. Jacktheinfinite101 23:09, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've brought this up before, if you look up on this page, the idea was rejected.  Myself 123  23:12, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * If someone's curious enough about this, they'll just check the talk thread like I've done. But likewise. A lot of people use this curse in fandom, so having it in the trivia section would make sense, no? By that I mean, anyone looking at a fan story about the curse and thinking "wtf?" needs only check this page to find it out.
 * If someone's curious enough about this, they'll just check the talk thread like I've done. But likewise. A lot of people use this curse in fandom, so having it in the trivia section would make sense, no? By that I mean, anyone looking at a fan story about the curse and thinking "wtf?" needs only check this page to find it out.

I am aware of the previous topic and the fact that it isn't real (I'm the guy who made this topic) but I wanted to bring up the fact that it was based on a popular (assuming that it is popular) film because when looked at that way, it seems more factual than just speculative, like saying that he is the subject of parody to Child's Play as opposed to saying that people belive there is a curse to Tails Doll. I wasn't sure if making it a bit more professional would change the view of anyone but I guess not. Ah well I don't care that much about it. Jacktheinfinite101 02:29, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * He's right. The non-existence of the "curse" itself is beside the point -- the running joke about the curse and popular depiction of the character is hard to deny. - Caswin 22:13, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Terrifying Tails Doll
If we all agree that there is no tails doll curse, can we at least mention the common oppinion about how creepy the thing is? I'd add it myself, but it's locked. Something along the lines of "With dead, soulless eyes and slow, but deliberate movement like a serial killer from a horror movie, Sonic R's Tails Doll is somewhat disturbing to some. Unlike Mecha Sonic and Mecha Knuckles, which were designed to look intimidating and powerful, Tails Doll's deceptively cute appearance is contradictory of its inner, malevolent nature. It was, after all, designed to catch and destroy Sonic. Although nothing but a stuffed animal attached to a hover device, many believe that its tiny computer is nonetheless pure evil, driven insane by its lack of respect and subpar combat ability." Jonruy


 * That still sounds too speculative. However, the fact remains that it is arguably best-known for its reputation as a preternatural horror, even if there have been no proven ties between the Tails Doll and any mysterious deaths starting from the release date of Sonic R. Some mention of the legend (and the off-puttingly creepy appearance that inspired it) is in order. - Caswin 02:26, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Other Tails Dolls
Two of the trivia pieces mention other tails dolls, should we create a separate section about other Tails Dolls?  Myself <font color="Black">123  13:05, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ridiculous statement about theme song
Okay, I've heard around the site and outside that ppl think that "Can you feel the Sunshine", a song from Sonic R, themed for Resort Island, is Tails Doll's theme song. Okay, where the H*** did this come from?

Can you feel the Sunshine has absolute no relation to Tails Doll, and even if they're both from the same game, there are OTHER songs from Sonic R that could have been his theme song, but none were.

Like I just said above, the song and the character just don't fit. If anything, it would be called (this is my assumpsion) "I Can feel the Hypnotism" or something.

I want to wonder why people think this is his theme song. Because it is obviously not. Pinkolol16, I love Sonic...  I'm a Proud Sonic Fan  08:34, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

New Section
I think the pictures are a little messy on this page. Juely 10:16, August 15, 2011 (UTC)