Thread:Ultrasonic9000/@comment-27441478-20161204050217

Okay so I have returned from my travels and reviewed the policy for any expansion and things which require significant elaboration or additions. We need to have all information here listed cleared up to specifics before i can staart writing things down for the final copy of the new Policy.

1. First I went through the edit-able SNN Styles. Most of them are fine the way they are however, I have noticed some sub-heading structures on pages like characters are mixed up such as Sonic (SEGA) & Shadow (SEGA)'s "Personality" sub heading mixed up that is, one of the sub heading begins near the very top of the page whilst the other character has the sub heading and info near the bottom. This should be easy to fix, but will take significant time to identify for any character pages which has a similar screw up.

2. Since I am going around doing Music and Sound file tabs which seem to be okay with everyone (even though when I first did it en masse without higher-up permission, apologies) I think it it would be significantly beneficial to have a "Soundtrack" page guideline and a "Music/Sound" page guideline which goes like this:

Soundtrack Album page:

Infobox Abum including cover of the album/soundtrack along with game, debut, artist, media format, date of release etc.

1st Para: Summary of the song, where it came from, debut, year, game/TV Show/Movie it came from, Artist/Band whome the soundtrack was created by/with along with publishing company, Similar tracks released along-side and a list of significant songs (eg. Vocal songs)

2nd Para: A Table with the following in order: Track Number, Song Name, Music File (ogg.), Length (0:00 Minute:Second) and finally artist/contributing artists (if list of available and accurate)

Trivia sub heading for noticeable things

Notes sub heading

Reference sub heading

External Links heading

( See  this   for reference)

Music Page:

This has to do with singular songs of significance which are not stage-music but more aiming for vocal tracks such as Crush 40 theme songs of Sonic games or similar eg. Live and Learn or Endless Poss.

Infobox Sound including cover of the album/soundtrack (if not present, then the cover of the game it first appeared in) along with game, debut, artist, media format, date of release etc. At the very bottom will be a tab for the .ogg file

1st Para: Summary of the song, where it came from, debut, year, game/TV Show/Movie it came from, Artist/Band whome the soundtrack was created by/with along with publishing company, Similar tracks released along-side and a list of significant songs (eg. Vocal songs), significant/reflection of the theme relation to the game.

2nd Para: Song lyrics, with reference/external link to where the lyrics were received from.

2nd Para ALTERNATE: International non-english native songs. Since Sonic is a non-English originated fanchise from japan, it is no surprise that there are some songs or lyrics in LOTE (Language other than English) and thus, there should be a switchable tab between Non-English lyrics and English lyrics of the Song. See this for example.

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It is highly recommended to replace Youtube sound track videos with .ogg files instead as it serves multiple benefits.

1. It looks more proffessional 2. Requires less bits to load unlike Youtube where people with slow internet wont get bogged down 3. The Youtube sound clip of the original music may be corrupted, deleted or taken down for whatever reason and no longer becomes available. 4. The .ogg based sound file can bypass Locale restrictions such as China (Youtube/Facebook etc. is banned there but a website and its content like this are not).

Additionally, the Policy and Guide should give an instruction to veteran and new editors on HOW to create an .ogg file and upload since I expect most dont, that is:

1. Download/Record a high-quality soundtrack at 320 KBPS, preferably in MP3 format. If a instantly-available and/or free-source is unavailable, free conversion sites such as (highly recommended) MP3Fiberto rip soundtracks from Youtube are available for use.

2. Some sound files (depending on the source of which the user has obtained it) may have encryption installed to prevent modification or conversion of some kind. In this case, it may require the file to be run raw through a MP3 file converter to be converter into an MP3 file for a second time to strip away the encryption. One method is to use Adobe Premiere to do this. If other free media editing or converters are available, they can use that instead of Premiere.

IF SOUND FILE IS NOT ENCRYPTED (e.g Youtube-MP3 audio rip), THEN SKIP STRAIGHT TO STEP 3

3. An .ogg file converter will then be required. Some program examples could include Switch Audio File Converter however, there may be other free methods out there available to users.

4. Once converted, the user will use the "Image (File) Upload Wizard and insert into the appropriate space on the wikia page under

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">As much as I like this, the legal and ethical implications of such a thing is questionable at best even though people along with the ARTIST themselves ignorantly upload their own sounds free directly for everyone to hear on sites such as Youtube instead of limiting them to Spotify or iTunes where all the revenue is (which seems pointless in the anti-piracy arguement), the Copyright policy of the wikia should either be modified or added with extra detail on something like this if need be. Since most of the stuff here has got to do with the Sonic franchise and SEGA is known to be pretty open and okay with fan using their works as long as its non-profit and non derogatory, Im sort of not at ease with 3rd party people outside of SEGA's jurisdiction kicking down the front door eg. the people they hire to make the music whom are not Sonic Music Team e.i Crush40 or other parties. As longas we use it in a reasonably justifiable way I think (hope) that everyone should be okay with this.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">IMAGE/ART POLICY

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Now this needs some elaboration expansion. I got told off by you a lot of times from violating image policy even though the rules were either not explicit or competely ABSCENT from the image rules/policy altogether so much to the point I thought you might be making it up as you go since I wasnt getting a second opinion from some other higher-up eg. Myself123 or similar admins to verify your claim. Otherwise, lets get started.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">1. Cropping

<p style="font-weight:normal;">I got told off by you once here about Lara-Su or some crap. The Policy says image modification are not allowed except for cropping. It doesnt specify what form of cropping since there are multiple methods, but I think they mean by the sizing of the image (e.i square/triangle). In articles relating to comic books I like to crop the background and everything to focus on the SUBJECT since the background is so cluttered it takes the attention off the subject of which the article is made for. Secondly, In some official webbsites belonging to either Sega or Archie etc. already provided official PNG. cropped images of the subject in question appearing so much so that an image or subject ripped and cropped straight from the source by a third party (eg. Me) may appear no different than the official one. (More details eventually below)

<p style="font-weight:normal;">2. Fan Art/Work

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Now this is where it gets complicated. The reason I bought this up is a SEGA getting the good idea of hiring lots and lots of Sonic fans, fan workers and fan artist to do their bidding nowadays. Good example includes subsidiary Archie Comics artists/writers eg. Evan Stanley, Tyson Hesse , Jennifer Hernandez et al. This has become so rife to the point the line drawn between official and fanworks starts to become a grey area unless obvious give-aways are present.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;"> Now, I have been a follower and reader of the Archie Comics for 20 years and I have so much so can instantly recognise an artist by their art style without first looking at the credits.The first one has very little information of the source just called "Scourge Official" which is not very convincing. It also fails to list sources as to where the image came from but I am experienced enough to know that the 3D rendered image is from non other than Rafaela Knight, a sorta-official Archie Staff member artist who does nice 3D renders when official 3D Sega Art is not around for Archie use. What bought me to this attention is that Rafa Knight is a Post-SG Artist, whom Scourge is no where to be seen since during the Pre-SG days, so is her artwork of Scourge really official when compared to her status and an official Archie Staff art member? The second one is Mina Mongoose and the uploader has given us a clue to the origin of the art (which I could instantly tell without the need to see the credits) as to Ben Bates. This however, puzzles me as this artwork is not present in any Archie Comic Book, Official Website or Mobius Encylopaedia either, even though the status of the artist is an official staff member depiciting a character in a canonical context. I need your input for this one because I dont think im experienced enough to give a straight judgement to kiss or diss. I even found the source of the original image on Bate's Official DeviatArt account too.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> The image policy and upload requires images to be licenced but I think it would be best to have the license insertion wizard to have an extra template tab to put image sources, where it came from, website, page, game etc. just to be sure. Not a lot of people put the source of where the image is from anyway sadely, so its up to veterans like us with good memory to instantly recognise and confirm its official. But we sometimes make mistakes too.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">GAME SCREEN SHOT

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Now I got told off again by you a second time for using 1920x1080 Pixel HD screenshots of emulated Sonic Games which I think is counterproductive given the context. Yes, you did say all image screenshot must be their native resolution, but I disagree. Why not go a step further to make the content as best whilst being as accurate as possibly can? Now, for more detailed, I took my in-game screenshots on a High-End PC Running Dolphin and DeSmuMe DS emulators (Highest Quality Emulators of this day and age, almost nothing compares) at maximum possible resolution with emulated back-light. The screen shots I used have Anti-Aliasing automatically added to them (upscaling) when expanded or stretched to fill in the missing Pixels due to the traditional consoles low-resolution/pixel count. This is done to avoid the bluriness you get stretching images in Microsoft Paint. More info on what and how Anti-Aliasing works:here.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Otherwise the image and most importantly the SOURCE of where the image was taken DOES NOT CHANGE.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">As a revised rule, the new Image and screenshot policy must be limited to PC-Native verison of Sonic Games or Emulators only due to higher-quality, with console-based screenshot image capture coming secondary if those options are absolutely unavailable. Otherwise, image taken must not be lower than native 1920x1080, with cropping allowed to reduce image appearance size and/or emphasis on the subject portrayed.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Here is a comparison:

<p style="font-weight:normal;">The one on the left is my PC-Native emulator 1920x1080 Fullscreen Max Resolution with 8x AA Upscaling whilst the one on the right is the DS-Native one only stretched to fullscreen. Take note of how the HUD is much more highly detailed and less jagged on the one on the left.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">Policy and Guideline for Video does not yet exist, yet Vidoes are prevelant.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">This needs further discussion and expansion since there is next to nothing for me to start off with.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Videos are excellent at providing helpful, informative and factual information in a site exactly made for such, such as this Wikia site.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Videos uploaded for display include commonly: Trailers, Cutscenes, Intro, Interviews with Official staff members, Information for reference materials, Walkthroughs, Tech Demo, Song and similar.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Most of them are fine with some exceptions of Walkthroughs and Sound videos (info touched upon above) however there lacks a proffesional sense of "standard" to ones present. I have always uploaded my own videos and walkthroughs onto this Wikia along with many others I am appart of and are warmly accepted due to multiple reasons: 1. I can keep an eye on them to make sure, unlike 3rd party uploaders, that they dont suddenly get deleted or no longer dislayed for reasons outside of mine and largely the wikia's control, and to ensure highest quality and beneficial.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">I highly recommend reading the File Policy for this wikia to get a better understanding for how our standards should be before we begin discussion.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">As a general rule of thumb, users uploading a video game tutorial/demonstration must be 1080p and higher and must be PC-Native, be it through platform integration of emulation providing better results. If possible, the video must be shot at 60FPS if possible (aim for it). An example includes a 60FPS hack available to the Emulator version of Sonic Colors, and yes, it is damn gorgeous, whilst also being informative and helpful on how to complete the level

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> I am a person with high standards on quality, and I expect dedicated fan websites to be no different to deliver a sense of proffesionalism.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;"> All this needs to be discussed between us or other admins before I start writing the draft of the updated policy. We need to get speculations and inaccuracies and disagreements out of the way first. <ac_metadata title="Policy Expansion/Revision (LONG)"> </ac_metadata>