Talk:Deadly Six/Archive 1

Perhaps just me but do the D6 look a bit like Mario villains in theme?-- 12:18, June 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * I dunno, I stopped playing Mario games years ago when the game style didn't change enough and games got too easy for me. They could be though. user:Eternal-Era-Twilight

Deadly Seventh?
If they do have something to do with the emeralds, do you think there will be a deadly seventh who prefers the colours grey or white?-- 18:12, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Or it could be One Ring to rule them all. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 18:29, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * That could make sense if you think about it. Eggman rediscovers the Chaos Rings, infuse them with perhaps Hyper-go-on and the Deadly Six is made. Though I dunno if the red ring is actually pink or not, but the rest is the right colours.-- 17:26, June 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think that there could be a seventh as atleast to me, the Deadly Six seems quite similar to the Seven Deadly sins because the yellow seems to resemble the sin of gluttony and the green resembling the sin of lust when I see them. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a hidden seventh member, especially considering they match the colors of the chaos emeralds as well. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the seventh member is game's final boss. user:Eternal-Era-Twilight 03:28, June 5, 2013 (UTC)]] 03:27, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thats a pretty awesome theory. Red representing Wrath, I can see that.-- 21:18, June 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * In fact one of my friends thinks its possible the 7th member is possibly a fusion of all six of them. And I'd assume the 7th member would be the worst of the 7 Deadly Sins, Pride cause the worst sin definitely screams final boss when using something based of the 7 deadly sins. user:Eternal-Era-Twilight
 * And white is, in the sense of colour spectrum, all colours together.-- 12:17, June 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Exactly! That would give more reason to both the fusion theory and the final member theory! user:Eternal-Era-Twilight
 * yeah,it could be a fusion of the D6 into a awesome final boss of doom
 * I know a 2 months old discussion is considered dead but you guys might be onto something with that Deadly Six--I mean Sins analysis, and the levels those six are depicted in might be a clue as well : Zomom, who can represent Gluttony, is shown in Desert Ruins and what Act 3 of this zone features? CANDIES! (Zomom also have bad teeth lol - extra hint maybe?)


 * Now on Zeena. I think she might represent Envy : she's shown in Frozen Factory and Act 3 is a CASINO. Gambling, desire to be rich => Envy (somewhat)
 * When we'll get more informations on other zones' Acts (especially Act 3) we might (or might not) confirmed those thoughts. And if Sega really look that deep into things I shall applause the writers! -- Hitsuji Mamoru (talk) 09:52, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally I think Zeena represents Lust rather than Envy, and this is because she's the only female in the group and usually when someone personaifies lust in media its usually a female. Especially in Full Metal Alchemist where the Homonculus Lust is a beautiful and attractive female, and the only female Homunculus overall.


 * The act they're in I found doesn't really show what sin they represent, how they look fits better in classifying that. Especially since Zavok fits Wrath best to me.


 * Overall I think the sin each would represent is~
 * Zavok: Wrath or Pride (possible both if there's no 7th member/fused form as he's the leader and his name sounds like Havoc)


 * Zazz: Greed (because his facial expression looks like he's obsessing over something like Gollum did with the ring in Lord of the Rings)


 * Zeena: Lust (since she's a female)


 * Zik: Envy (since he looks old and has that angry look, like he's jealous of the youth everyone still has)


 * Zomom: Gluttony (That gut says it all)


 * Zor: Sloth (because he looks tired and Sloth means lazy) Eternal-Era-Twilight (talk) 12:43, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Zeena being Lust is a bit sexist don't you think lol? It works however, and in the collective mind that's how it is. However, green is the colour of jealousy (Envy) and she's in a world with a casino-themed area. Moreover, I think Zor is another candidate for Lust : he's carrying a rose, the symbol of flirt and "thorny" love... but it can also represent self-affection (Pride).
 * It is of course unquestionnable that Zavoc would be Wrath and Zomom Gluttony, but others are really up to debates^^ -- Hitsuji Mamoru (talk) 13:03, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Edit : The tropical/water world where Zik is shown in the Wisp trailer features an underwater GOLD mine... the old guy might be our Scrouge/Glomgold after all (If we go with the "level/character equivalence theory) -- 17:46, August 16, 2013 (UTC)Hitsuji Mamoru (talk)


 * Personally I think Zor couldn't be Pride, this is because the 7 sins are ranked by how sinful they are, and Pride is the worst of the seven which means the leader of the Deadly Seven would have to represent it. So I wouldn't be surprised if Zavok was pride (or as I said earlier, Pride and Wrath) or if the 7th member/fused form is the one who represents pride. Eternal-Era-Twilight (talk) 21:16, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh I'm with you on that : Pride have to be the most evil of the Deadly Six, I was just going with classic color coding with that Zor=Pride theory. I'll be on vanguard for any news related to them! I really like those characters (and that conversation is going over board xD look how many blank spaces we're leaving there lol) -- Hitsuji Mamoru (talk) 22:26, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Names
Can we have a source for the names? Thanks.  Myself  123  18:56, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

http://segabits.com/blog/2013/06/11/sonic-lost-world-gets-a-release-date-the-deadly-six-get-names/

--SlugDrones • (Contact) 19:01, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Pages of the members
So one of our Trusty mates here, Ultrasonic9000 began to make separate pages for the Deadly Six, all which were according to correct wiki format. However, I felt that all the pages were exactly the same, like just a copy paste of each other and the main change was the picture and name. Also the pages are pretty small and a little nit-picky, like adding info about color, clothes and alignment, which isn't too necessary.

So my plan was to merge the article to the Deadly Six page which I've done just for a preview.

So I contacted him about this and he said he felt that there were going to be pages of the Deadly Six anyways since more info will drop in and saying the it'll be difficult to read a long slur of the members if they were merged to on page and as the Deadly Six are individuals, they earn right to get their pages.

However, I still feel merging the pages will require more convenience to news seekers in this wiki, since.. It is more convenient. Also, im sure these characters are rather 2-Dimensional so pages wont be necessary, I don't think such info will arrive that we will have to make separate pages.

You can view his pages and my merge and discuss what should be kept. Thanks. --Quack 08:47, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

I can say I agree with this.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 09:03, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

The lack of information is because the game hasen't come out yet. When the games does come out, there will be a substantal amount of information avalibe about each of the characters. Also, the characters are going to be Boss Fights, so that infomation will make it stand out from each other even if the characters are identical (which we all know is unlikely). Deleting these pages will be a waste because they will just be re-created again. 12:45, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

I don't believe pages are needed for the characters... yet; I don't think there's enough information right now, I don't see why we should be in such a rush to make pages for things we don't know much about yet.  Myself  123  12:50, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * I can say as well, that when the game is released and we are able to examine and diagnose these members and their roles in the game more closely enough, then members should have own separated articles. Right now, I agreed with Myself about this. - MarioSonic (talk) 13:05, June 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * If it is deemed needed to wait for more info to come up, I will reliqush the articles that I have made and apologize for these unneeded articles. I only had the best interest of staying on top of things and set these articles off to a good start. However, I still stand by that the members are indiviuals and need their own articles. We cannot assume that they are 2 dimensional and are identical (that would make them borring), so when enough info is revealed, I shall aceept that when that time comes.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 14:51, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

When Sonic Lost World comes out, there will be more info about the Deadly Six, making the pages longer. It's unnecessary to delete the pages just to make one page longer. If we did this, we may as well merge all the Template characters in to one page. 12 June 2013 17:28 (UTC)
 * The Deadly Six should have individual pages, just not right now because we now next to nothing about them.  Myself  123  14:59, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Depletion?
In the article it says that Zavok is responsible for the depletion of Sonic. What does that even mean, and when was that information released?


 * If I recall since the Deadly Six escaped Eggman's control early in the game and are trying to destroy the world. Zavik is possible trying to erasing Sonic from existence. Eternal-Era-Twilight (talk) 04:41, July 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * That answers the what, what about the when? Pokemonsonic345 (talk) 15:16, July 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Info is only allowed to stay on a Wikia page if there's a source for it that proves its correct. Check out the Deadly Six's page and one of the links should send you to page with that information.

Sonic was responsible?
Whoa... Sonic was the reason Eggman lost control of the Deadly 6... wow. That's a first, and I wonder if this could explain why Zavok  is the one behind the depletion of Sonic?Eternal-Era-Twilight (talk) 09:06, August 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, nobody is perfect, especially Sonic.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 09:14, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

The Deadly Six were against Eggman much before Sonic messed up.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:07, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Deadly Seventh - Part 2
Since the last topic was so long it becomes ridiculously narrow, I "re-open" it right there. You might not care much guys but I think the subject is really up to chatting a bit^^

So, let's sum up : The Deadly Six seems to have personnalities that match 6 of the 7 Deadly Sins. But which one is what? A fellow member put up his list like this : I have a different association method but I think he might be right for Zor : in the last trailer, he has a line saying "so upbeat I wanna beat him up!" which can be interpreted as someone being so drowzy he can't stand hyperactive people. However, if we got that way, Zazz might be Wrath : he's as violent and threatening as Zavok will being a lot more erratic and noisy. Zavok, with his almighty look and somewhat calm behaviour, can end up being Pride^^
 * Zavok = Wrath or Pride (or both)
 * Zazz = Greed (he's the first to "chase" things)
 * Zeena = Lust (because she's a girl)
 * Zik = Envy (he's old and might be jealous of youngsters)
 * Zomom = Gluttony (he's fat)
 * Zor = Sloth (he looks drowzy)

Zomom not being able to be anything else than Gluttony, that leaves Zeena and Zik with Envy, Lust and Greed! What do you think guys (if you aren't bored up to this point lol) ?

-- Hitsuji Mamoru (talk) 16:56, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

With the latest trailer revealed, I think it's time to put the subject up again!

What does this trailer showed us? a short-tempered crazy pink punk, an obese yellow blob with a sandwich and bad teeth, a small and pompous old Mr.Miyabi look-alike, a lazy green fashionable girl, a whiney emo-goth with purple bangs and a big red demon with a fighting/power fetish... Any ideas now?

-- Hitsuji Mamoru (talk) 14:24, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

YES. The Deadly Six are simply awesome. Stardust327 ~ "Believe in Yourself!" 21:37, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Titles?
OK, so do the Deadly Six call themselves the Deadly Six? Or did they get their name from someone who thought they were really dangerous? Or did Eggman just give them the name????

LOL, the Deadly Six are awesome. XD They wait 'till night to attack. >:3 That's awesome.

One song, six variations
I was looking for videos when I noticed that the music for each of the Deadly Six videos had the same core melody, except with different tweaks and instruments! For example, Zazz, Zomom and Zik share the same intro but the rest is organized differently : Zazz has a more aggressive tune for example. Zavok and Zeena shares their intro and the songs themselves are really same-y!

The only one who has a unique taste to his tune is Zor (maybe because he knows the "melody of death" lol ?)

-- Hitsuji Mamoru (talk) 04:56, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

Debate about their fate
I know this has been mentioned on Zavok's talk page, but I'll just say it. Are we saying for sure they survived just because Eggman, who presumably never saw Sonic's last battles with them, planned to control them again?


 * What suggests they're dead: Zazz, Zomom, Zik, and Zeena explode in a puff of smoke once defeated at Lava Mountain. If this was teleportation, they'd likely have done this when defeated the first two times instead of just jumping away. Also they didn't look like they were performing a teleportation, they were laying on the ground still before they "vanished". As for Zor and Zavok, they fell into lava. This is the only two times we see a Zeti fall into lava and neither re-emerges from it so how do we know they're immune to lava? Also, if Zeti were immune to lava, why did Zor talk like he knew he was going to die there? "In this pain I finally find comfort. I long for death's cold embrace." I know he's a pessimist but if he knew he would survive the lava bath I think he wouldn't have said what he did.


 * What suggests they're alive: Eggman says "I'll find another conch and the Zeti will be mine once again". Everyone pounces on this to say that they definitely survived because Eggman talks of them as if they are still alive. But did he even see Sonic's battles with them? He was working on his mech at the time. He probably assumed they just ran away like they did the first two times Sonic fought them. Also, Zeena says she'll turn Sonic into a snowcone and feed him to Zomom, but it could be she didn't witness his fate either.

One thing to note: I'd have said Eggman was dead after that fall, except the postcredits scene shows he survived. But that's just it - postcredits scene show Eggman survived, but not the Deadly Six. We never see them again after four explode and two fall into lava. The Deadly Six are not Eggman. Eggman has to stay in the Sonic series and appear in every game that Sonic does, whether as the main villain or not, so he'll always survive. I mean, he'll be dead by Silver's time, but probably only of old age. The Deadly Six are one-shot villains like Black Doom, Master Core: ABIS, Mephiles the Dark, Iblis, Ifrit, Dark Gaia... all of them are dead. Chaos was one-shot too and he turns good again. Even Metal Sonic, the second most prominent villain, was killed off, although this is a matter of debate and it's much easier to argue that he survived because such arguments are more powerful in his case.

So, I'll say the evidence pointing towards the Deadly Six's deaths is more powerful than the evidence pointing toward their survival. I think people just want them to survive. I've seen this before. In a certain show I like to watch, people think Queen Chrysalis survived a fall over a mountain because it was staged in a Team Rocket style (though she herself is more like a Disney villain), and that King Sombra survived being shattered to pieces (before the writers confirmed his death), mainly because they wanted them to. Also, when Ronan killed The Other in Guardians of the Galaxy, there are rumors that he will be revived. And what's so special about The Other that they want him to return? (coming from someone who's obsessed with him) They never even noticed him before his neck was snapped. Probably the only villain people want killed off is Joffrey from Game of Thrones.


 * On the subject of King Sombra, the wiki on his show is now saying his fate is unclear because of speculation from the people who make the trading cards (who are not involved in the show itself), as if their word on his fate is more credible than that of the one who wrote it, which is called Word Of God.

Also, I'm not being biased toward my own preferences here - In the same show I mentioned, there are these three sirens who take human form but retain their power through magic stones, and later do astral projections. In the end the astral projections and stones are destroyed and the sirens are rendered powerless. My friend thinks the sirens were possessing humans and were therefore killed (releasing the humans from their control), but based on what they say I can tell that there is no possession involved, the sirens survived and were merely de-powered, like Anya in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Last point: The 3DS version unambiguously has them survive since they run from the battle. So, if you want the Deadly Six to survive, put the 3DS version in your headcanon instead of the Wii U version. Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 06:06, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

The Rivals Games, Free Riders, and the Plympic Games all still have Metal Sonic and he was never killed in the first place merly deactivatied. It's harder to kill robot characters then any other Gamma was ment to come back in Heroes but they couldn't figured out how to make it happen.


 * First, the Olympic games are non-canon, and Rivals and Free Riders probably take place before Generations. Second, like Gamma he was completely destroyed (when Sonic kicks him in Generations). But you know what? I love that the only argument I'm getting is to Metal Sonic because as I said, it's easier for an unbiased person to think that he survived since there are many views one can take on the nature of that battle. Whether it was his Classic self or whether he merely took his Classic form through shapeshifting powers, whether the battle was erased by the timeline's restoration or still stands (Classic Sonic, Classic Tails, Shadow, and Silver appear at Sonic's birthday party and it's established Eggman got out of limbo). Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 06:24, October 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * And about the robot characters, the only two major villains people believe actually died are both robots: Captain Whisker and Master Core: ABIS. Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 06:24, October 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * As for the Rivals and Free Riders most people tend to take it as in the order thier released is the order of events. As for Metal in Generations Sonic 4 Episode Metal shows him being repaired and in the 3DS version he's not shown being kicked as well second it's heavily implied that it's the orginal Metal Sonic not the Modern one in Generations as for the last two ABIS is more of the Arks of the Cosmos AI then SCR-HD and there's nothing Saying Captain Whisker can't be rebuilt. But I agree with you for the most part I'm just saying thiers no concret prove that Metal ever died at any point.
 * In Sonic 4, Metal Sonic was repaired from his defeat in Sonic CD. Sonic 4 was released later but is chronologically right after the Death Egg's destruction in Sonic & Knuckles, and Sonic CD is set between Episodes I and II.
 * As for release dates, Sonic Rivals was released before Sonic Rush Adventure but has to be set after because in both Rush games Eggman Nega is on Eggman's side, and in Rivals he is against him (presumably they fell out after Eggman Nega tried to blow everyone up during the final battle of Rush Adventure). Although I could believe that Eggman could create another Metal Sonic identical to the old one IF he actually was killed there, and as I said there are many valid arguments for his survival. Eggman Nega even more so, the assumption is he dies of starvation or dehydration in the Ifrit's dimension but because we never see it they could make a later game saying he got out somehow. Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 07:00, October 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Those are very true but there's one small hicup with that there's 2 Eggman Nega's the one from the alternaet Diemension or Blaze's who's still around and then the one from the Future or Silver's Who trapped in the Ifirts Dimension which doesn't match up with the one Blaze's world at all.
 * That was a subject of debate too but Sega said there was one Eggman Nega. What I think happened is this: Eggman Nega wasn't taken seriously as an evil scientist due to Eggman's failures, so he first decided to redeem those failures. He knew of the Sol Dimension so he travelled to the Sol Dimension of the past to steal the Sol Emeralds, and when he ran into trouble with Blaze, becoming her archenemy, he led Eggman there to steal the Sol Emeralds, and we know what happens there. After the whole battle in Sonic Rush Adventure he decided his ancestor was irredeemably incompetent so he decided to remove him. Upon return to the future and arrival on Earth (must live on some sort of colony or something in order to escape Iblis's rampage, probably Eggman's son/daughter lives there in present day) he is killed by Iblis, then Blaze and Silver team up. Of course Iblis was erased from history. So Blaze meets up with Silver and together they defeat Eggman Nega, presume him dead, and Blaze returns to her dimension and time. Eggman Nega survives as Eggman often does, becomes Silver's archenemy, steals the camera, etc. Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 16:16, October 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * But if they are separate, then maybe Eggman Nega of Blaze's dimension was killed when Sonic and Blaze smashed through the core, which could have been his cockpit (Eggman escaped as usual). Maybe not, I still think my above theory, but it's possible. Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 16:17, October 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, they survived according to Eggman's statement. I just don't think he would have said that if he was not sure the Zeti was alive. And that applies to both versions. But that is just my opinion.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 19:16, October 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * And I respect that. You can have your opinion on the matter (though it isn't enough to state as fact on this wiki that they survived). But I do have a question - how did they survive? (Also it is possible that Eggman was planning on reviving them with the Chaos Emeralds) Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 19:55, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

humanized forms
Humanized Deadly Six:

Zavok: Body based on King Roland II from Sofia the First, with black hair. wears red sleeveless tunic, black pants, light blue wristbands, and Emperor's New Groove-design sandals. Zor: Short and thin, but without the horns and tail. Wears same ensemble as Zavok, but in white-gray. Zeena: Same size as her normal form, but without the horns. wears a green and black striped top, with black pants and black sandal-like boots. Master Zik: designed like Grampa Long from American Dragon, Jake Long, but with a ponytail, and a light blue and black robe. Zonom: a pudgy man with blonde hair. wears the same ensemble as Zavok, but in yellow. Zazz: a tall thin man with purple hair in the form of his purple spikes. has a black stubble on his chin, the same spiked wristbands, a pink buttonless waistcoat. wears the same pants and sandals as Zavok.

what do you think?

Shrekyardigans (talk) 14:23, April 3, 2016 (UTC)