Talk:Mephiles the Dark/Archive 1

that last bit of trivia, what about bean the dynamite?Myself 123 17:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Fanart Image
Whoever is whining no fanart, cut it out and stop taking the Mephilies Sonic Channel Pic out. Check Super Tails.
 * That shouldn't have been there in the first place. Fanart is not allowed in articles. Userspace is OK, but articles aren't. If you see an article with fan-artwork again, please remove the image from the article.Fair field fencer F F F  20:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * So I'm whining now, eh? Whatever. But Triple ha it right. Mehiles never had Channel art. Just fans photoshopping Shadow's to resemble Mephiles' "Shadow's shadow" form. Skeletal '''SLJCOAAATR Soul 21:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think s/he was talking about me.Fair field fencer F F F  21:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Mephiles acts as if he and Iblis are boyfriend and girlfriend...
But I wonder which one he is... XD -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog  04:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Whichever one Iblis isn't.--The prefessional launchballer is The Duchy of Effenhauer Junior and is very resourceful. 08:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

GOOD ONE! XD -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog  04:22, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

[Oblivious look on face] I don't get it.--Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 04:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Keep up, it's not rocket science... -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog  04:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Shelly, I have trouble with 9th grade math. *knocks on head* And, before I give you a chance, I was knocking on MY head, not yours.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 04:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, sweet nibblets... -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog  04:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I know, I'm a Jackson *points finger at Shelly's face* and don't you dare take it any further than that, got it?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 04:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * pretends to bite Kagi's finger* -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog Amy to Shelly.png 04:54, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

* pulls away finger, spray Shelly with water spritzer* No! Bad girl!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 05:07, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Shelly: *stares at him with a bored expression on her face, unaffected by the water* ...water, Kagi? Really??? -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog Amy to Shelly.png 05:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

* Grins* Who said it was water?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 05:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Shelly: AAAH!!! *runs away with Kagi chasing her, squirting* AAAH, HELP!! HE'S SQUIRTING ME!!! IT'S NOT WATER!!!!!!! (funny, the same thing happened on iCarly) -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog Amy to Shelly.png 05:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Really, it could be anything from salt water or hot sauce to sewer water or what you'd find in a used toilet *grins even wider*--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 02:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Shelly: *speaks gibberish, runs even faster* HELP!! S.O.S! MAYDAY! ARBOR DAY! BIRTHDAY! -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog Amy to Shelly.png 02:51, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

[Gets in front of Shelly] Hey Shelly,
 * Shelly: What?
 * * Squirts her with more fluid*--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 02:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

oooookkkaaaaayy, weird Midnight Wolf  Don't be hatin'!  23:23, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Oh and Shelly... it's just water. *bursts into laughter* I got you good!!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 23:30, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

that went on for like, two months lol Midnight Wolf  Don't be hatin'!  23:34, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

sorry my mistake, i meant to say that that whole RP happened 2 months ago, but nevermind Midnight Wolf  Don't be hatin'!  23:35, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

I think you guys are weird....- Sharna here!  Chat!   Sonarna!  23:43, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Well you'd know, wouldn't you.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 23:55, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

To avoid further spam: Mephiles rather acts as if he and Iblis were part of the same thing -- which, quite frankly, is exactly the case. Herman2000 10:30, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

thats it, i'm getting a picture of his Shadow Form, for his main picture. and i'll try go get a picture of his Ooze Form too Midnight Wolf  Don't be hatin'!  15:40, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Question...
Can we PLEASE stop citing all those quotes from Sonic 06 after each one? We all know he only had one game he actually spoke in, and that just makes this all look redundant and messy. ^^;

Or better yet, since his quotes seem to cite the places in which they took place, why not just order them by what story, or something? Gosh knows we know there was at least two of him in the timestream (you can ask me to prove it... I can, I charted it and figured out the timeline that proves that it's absolutely impossible for this all to be orchestrated with just one of him ^^ ).

I also see nothing bringing up the possibility of there being two of them (one in Shadow's story and one in Silver's, and the big give off is one fighting Shadow at the EXACT SAME TIME Sonic was impaled and Mephiles laughed his head off...), which, due to the whole time travel thing, it's likely that Future Mephiles wasn't supposed to be in present time, where his younger self was, and at least had the foresight to not cross paths with him, referencing to a concept brought up in Harry Potter 3, where if one sees themselves' from another time, the one that exists in THAT time could easily mistake the future one for an impostor and attack them. That being said, that can pose a problem where Present Mephiles destroys his future and that timeline is altered, or Future Mephiles accidentally wipes himself for interacting with his present self, creating a paradox that should not be... unless he was SUPPOSED to do that... then... ugh...

But because it's smarter to avoid alternate selves, that's why the two would have never met if the Future one was wise enough to see to it, since the Present one would not have understood, having not reached the point in time in which that would have been an issue.

Interestingly enough, since Mephiles can travel through the timestream, and it's only been confirmed that in the Sonic 06 timeline he's been wiped (I think that game was merely a tangent to the main series, and what the ending was as far as Sonic and Elise meeting again was simply deja vu, and that what we spent at least 26 hours playing was a mind trip of what happened before it was set right...), and we know that because of a paradox, he not only exists as is, but had to at one point existed as another way before the paradox between him and Shadow started (the one where because he attacks Shadow, Shadow seals him in the Scepter, prompting him to attack Shadow a decade later and start the cycle over again...), and is likely to have an alternate version of him escaping erasure due to too many time rule breaks and all.

If I remember right, a cut dialogue piece of his lifted from the original script was: "I transcend time itself... a bridge to other worlds..."

If he really is above time itself, and can, as he implied, move from world to world... then there should be at least one of him in the timesstream left. Heck... he might have already shown up, and we didn't know it... he only names himself Mephiles because he probably heard Shadow shout it in the halls while chasing him to seal him the first time, and he only looks like Shadow because he took his shadow and form. His defining characteristics are only unique to this game... hmm...

I probably oughta point out that I can't help but notice that he and Chip have a couple things in common as far as general facts... such as:


 * Both of them are halves to a greater deity (Mephiles+Iblis=Solaris, and Chip+Dark Gaia=I assume Gaia...). While Solaris is a time god or whatever, the whole Chip/Dark Gaia thing is like... a god of the planet right? I can't find a way to word that... sorry... ^^;
 * Both are the speaking halves that have a much higher displayed level of intelligence than the their counterparts. (Iblis and Dark Gaia's "dialogue" consist mostly of "Grarrrrrrrgh!", right? XD )
 * Both are considerably smaller than their counterparts.
 * Both seemingly have potential to harness/control/beat down/whatever you call what they did their counterparts (Mephiles eventually unleashed Iblis and shortly combined with him, and Chip basically suppresses Dark Gaia when he gets unruly.

Just a thought... RaeLogan 10:29, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

demons
i got notice that Iblis is the arabic word for devil, and that Mephiles's name is derived of Mephisto Pheles when you combine it you get the name Mephiles.

Should this be taken into consideration?
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs30/f/2009/252/6/6/Mephiles_Whereabout_Explained_by_RaeLogan.png

I think it strengthens the possibility of two Mephileses (Mephili?) being present in the game at the same time, but never crossing paths. Also, it proves that the Mephiles in Silver's story was the one that killed Sonic, because at the very same time in Dusty Desert, Mephiles was also fighting Shadow.

Given that time travel was featured prominently in this game, it's not unlikely. As for why the two never never meet... obviously, any interaction with his past self would have greatly endangered the Future Mephiles' existence, and likely would have resulted in Past Mephiles flat out attacking him under the assumption that it was a trick, erasing his future. Eh... time travel...

Still, it's an interesting theory, and explains a few formerly loose ends, and is supported by game evidence.

RaeLogan 18:13, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Are you saying that there are two mephileses, or that he used time travel to be in more than one place at the same time?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  18:10, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Kinda both.

I'm saying that though possibly unintentional to the Future Mephiles, his existence in the past with his Past self (Present Mephiles) has resulted in two Mephiles in the same time era.

One the was going after Shadow (who has the golder rings on his wrists and had gotten a hold of the yellow Emerald) and the one who was dogging around Silver's heels, pointing him to Sonic (the one with bluer rings on his wrists, and eventually got the purple Emerald.).

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All the colors in that pallete I made is taken on the same point in relative distance to a matching point on the opposite picture.

Being that both stories take place at the exact same time, as evidenced by crossover points that are located in the same points in each story... it is impossible for Mephiles to have harassed Shadow at the very same time he was telling Silver to go after Sonic, and follow him, UNLESS he was in two places at once, which can be explained by the two Mephileses. The one that already existed in the Present Timeline... and the one from the future that traveled back in time to be there.

Neither of them met, which would have caused countless paradox and existence problems, which, as the older and possibly (I should hope so) more experienced Mephiles would have been very much aware of. As the Present Mephiles would not have known of his Future Self existing in his own time era, Present Mephiles was very much oblivious to the situation, and did not know. Only Future Mephiles would have any knowledge of the situations of two of himself being in one city, and I'm sure he saw to it that he never crossed paths with himself. That would have endangered Future Mephiles' existence, and would have quite possibly caused a serious alteration in his own past, and removed himself from the timestream, destroying Present Mephiles' future as well...

UNLESS, it was already written in stone that Mephiles was supposed to meet Mephiles.

Being that Mephiles meets Shadow because Mephiles in the Ten Years Later future (our Present) attacks Shadow for Shadow in the Ten Years Before past sealing him in the Scepter that Ten Years Later Shadow breaks... Mephiles' existence is already swimming in a paradox. Neither of those events in this paragraph can exist without the others.

RaeLogan 19:06, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Very good observation but I don't think that there are two mephiles's active at once. I belive that Mephiles escaped Shadow (in Shadow's story) and THEN found the purple Chaos emerald, then went to the future to decieve Silver, then went to the present to decieve him again, THEN killed Sonic. 74.70.209.222 08:04, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good point, but given that the timeline calls for too many strict time restraints, it would be quite difficult for him to go through all that, not to mention that one must wonder if time traveling spends any of his energy if not powered by a Chaos Emerald, which would not be in his possession, otherwise he would have skipped all that and went straight to Iblis. ^^;

So, here's the outline of the plot as I see it, only backed up by playing this game way too many times to count (I'll ball park it at at least 16 front to back), watching the scenes separately, and owning the gamers' guide. Color coded so it's not too much of an eyestrain.

Sonic Story

Silver Story

Shadow Story

Last Story

1. Shadow seals Mephiles. (10 Years prior to game's date. event 1 cannot exist without event 2)

2. Mephiles breaks free and takes Shadow's shadow. Gets mad that Shadow seems to have forgotten him, and sends Shadow and Rouge into the Future, as well as himself. (event 2 cannot exist without event 1)

3. Rouge and Shadow find out they're in the future.

4. Team Sonic is thrown into the future with Eggman's Machine.

5. Rouge and Shadow meet up with Team Sonic. Agree to find two Emeralds to get back home.

6. Rouge and Shadow find Omega in stand by.

7. Blaze and Silver Meet Future Mephiles.

8. Team Sonic glimpse Silver, Blaze and Future Mephiles.

9. Future Mephiles sends himself, Silver and Blaze to the Present.

10. Team Sonic learns Elise was to die on board Eggman's aircraft, which malfunctions after takeoff.

11. Silver goes to find Sonic, meets Amy.

12. Sonic meets Elise in this time moment as the below happens elsewhere in time.

13. Rouge and Shadow find an Emerald along with Team Sonic. Opens Portal.

14. Sonic is attacked by Silver. Amy saves him

15. Shadow stays behind to chase Present Mephiles.

Rouge realizes that Shadow didn't come back. Goes to Omega, gives him an Emerald, tells him to go in standby.

16. Shadow fights Present Mephiles, Omega reactivates in the future, helps Shadow, Mephiles flees.

17. Shadow and Omega return to the present, start researching info about Mephiles.

18. Silver is informed that Sonic is at the train terminal by Future Mephiles.

19. Silver attempts to kill Sonic again, Shadow steps in.

20. Shadow and Silver fight. Opens a portal to 10 years ago. Witness Mephiles' creation.

21. Shadow seals Mephiles. (this event cannot exist without event 1 and 2)

22. Shadow leaves Scepter with Elise. Silver witnesses Iblis' sealing, gives Elise the blue Emerald.

23. Shadow and Silver return to the present.

24. Shadow informs Rouge of how to seal Mephiles again. At the same time, Silver informs Blaze of the truth of the Day of Disaster.

25. Silver meets up with Sonic, and informs him of a misunderstanding and a change of plans.

26. Sonic tries to save Elise from dying in the battleship malfunction, but arrives too late. Silver suggests returning to an earlier point in time to arrive before it happens again. Silver and Blaze return to the future.

27. Team Dark catch up with present time Mephiles. Fight ensues.

28. Sonic saves Elise.

29. Future Mephiles finds an Emerald

30. Blaze sacrifices herself at approximately the same time.

31. Future Mephiles kills Sonic. Summons the rest of the Emeralds.

32. Shadow tries to pick up the Yellow and Green ones before they disappear. Present Mephiles and his clones are puddle of oily ooze on the ground

33. Future Mephiles and Present Iblis fuse and become Solaris.

The point that I am trying to say is not that there was two separate Mephileses that exist in the same time line, but rather that one from a tangent time line made his way there, that being the one from Silver's future world, since the game takes place in our present... or rather Sonic and Elise's Deja Vu they experienced the moment they locked gazes at the beginning of the game, leading me to believe that everything outlined above did indeed happen, and that merely resetting it did not remove the residual evidence that it existed. They know it happened somehow, or that something DID happen somehow, but they don't know what...

This whole game is just one big crazy paradoxial goose chase, and I think it's better understood by those who also understood LOST. I mean, I get it pretty well, and my cousin did... but only because we understand that kinda story telling... how? I don't know, I just know that I do. Once you understand at least event 1 and event 2 as outlined above... I think that's just a start...

Of course, I also believe that the game creators didn't really intend for it to turn out like this, but I feel that the above outline probably helps patch a few of the plot holes and confusion... but again... this game was a mess to begin with. I might be reading too far in because I've had to play it so much, mainly due to either my cousin originally losing the PS2 that most of my other games were on, making me have to sell them and but others over time, and also due to the fact that he also killed the last Xbox 360 by wrapping it in towels and leaving it on overnight just because he heard online that it fixes the crash problem, making me have to start the game over from the start AGAIN, making me lose all my achievements and S ranks. >_<

As of now... he's not allowed to try and mod the system, since he took apart to controllers to spray paint them and the buttons black, messing up some of the internal works making the controllers jerk us to left and one D pad unresponsive, and sold the wireless controller while I was asleep... >_<

If I'm taking the game apart... it's his fault for making this so difficult...

I'm getting off the subject here... ^^;

Anyway... I just think it would help the story a bit if there was a second Mephiles, since there's enough to back that up anyway, and would help some of it make more sense for those who are confused.

I think that there's more to this character than what we saw. *shrugs*

By the way, I'm not trying to sound... eh... rude or one up-ish... so, I apologize if I came off as that ^^;

RaeLogan 03:57, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

So then what did Mephiles do for 200 years, hm? TheLairOfRockwhales 20:47, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's never been disclosed in the game. It can be assumed that he collected data on the "Day of Disaster," what with him saying he has records of that event and stuff. --Herman2000 18:46, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

WOO!
Mephiles is, by far, my favourite Sonic Villain (Shadow's a hero now). I think He should be in Sonic Colors. But I still wonder how they'd say he'd survived...

User:Pulsive think that Mephiles pretends to be killed and trapped...LONG LIVE MEPHILES THE DARK!!!

OMG!
man killing sonic that sucked wwhen i found out wat he did i went crazy nevertheless sonic managed to live but to all u mephiles fans.....u are SICK!-ChaosTheWolf

At least he accomplished in one game, nay... HALF of a game in minimal screen time what Eggman has been trying for years. XD

Besides... Sonic got wished back DBZ style anyway and all that, didn't he? And Mephiles is erased for time now, right? So, no harm done. ^^

But still... I like Mephiles... and not because he killed Sonic. I liked his style and his potential that was severely underdeveloped... he's an enigma. A mystery. A walking cliff hanger.

Heck, he only killed Sonic because Sonic was a plot device in his own game. Seriously. If Sonic was replaced as Elise's love interest by someone else... then Mephiles would have killed them. It's not that it was Sonic... it was simply the position and a way to crush Elise's heart. He probably doesn't really know who Sonic really is or even cares, to tell you that truth. XD

RaeLogan 04:03, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, it was a stupid idea for SEGA and Sonic Team to come up with the idea of a death scene for Sonic. Although yes he did get brought back to life, it was still a stupid idea to make Sonic die. And what I also wanted to see in that game was Mephiles survive after his Solaris transformation was destroyed, and Sonic (in his regular form) challenge Mephiles in the final showdown as an extra boss battle. And in an extra cutscene, they should've also shown Sonic killing Mephiles, for payback. And this is just my opinion. 173.66.193.28 00:48, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Slightly off-topic, but... Sonic killing someone is so very much against Sonic's very nature and personality, don't you think that would've been much more stupid than them killing Sonic? Besides, Sonic dying doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing just because he gets killed. A lot of popular main characters in fiction die at least once, anyhow, right? It's not like he was killed off for real, either, so... eh. --Herman2000 01:37, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well played, Herman. It's true... Sonic would probably be the LEAST likely character (or among the top three, since Tails should be in there...) to kill someone, justified or no.


 * Given that the Sonic series has been confirmed to be influenced by the DragonBall series, (I can list at least 7 similarities right of the top of my head in one breathe, not to mention the developers have alluded to that...), I would compare Sonic to Goku (Shadow to Vegeta, Tails to a Krillin/Gohan meld mix, Amy to Chichi, Rouge to Bulma, Knuckles to Yamcha, Silver to Trunks... am I the only one?). Both are hero characters that are happy go lucky (though Sonic has more attitude), enjoy a challenge, is the world's 911, etc, etc, etc... and more importantly, believes that killing is wrong.


 * Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the Solaris fight HAD ended with Mephiles surviving, and Sonic gives him the option to consider using his power to create rather than destroy (time travel can be a good fixer upper if used properly as mush as it can be a sledgehammer)... and... well... remember when Goku gives the second chance to Freiza? Who promptly effs it up not even 2 minutes afterward? By trying to stab him in the back... again. And is simply left for dead because Goku refuses to try a third time? Yeeaaaaah.... Soo... given that Mephiles at the point would have nothing else to lose, and given his inclination towards evil (The name MEPHILES the DARK is a good indication as to why), and already ticked off at Shadow, so Sonic being yet another thing threatening his ego and existence would end up with him having another go... possibly already weakened further (Mephiles without a Chaos Emerald is pretty lacking in the offense department to begin with... can't take a good thump to the head without stumbling like a drunk) due to Iblis being either gone, or extinguished or whatever... so the result would be-



... ... ??? !!!


 * Oh, geeze... that would end up being either sad or depressing on his part. It would either had another tragic element to him as a whole, or further degrade his initial badassery... revealing him to be nothing more than the effect of... a rage driven coward who knows that the moment he yoinks out of existence... that he'll have made no lasting impression or mark or whatever, be it through manipulation, or fear, or intimidation or overpowering... that Mephiles the Dark had never existed beyond 11 other characters (give or take a few), or rose to the status of big bads and then some like he intended... it's Scepter of Darkness all over again (sealed away for a long time, and the world never even heard of him. Even, supposedly, the one who trapped him there to begin with)... just on a grander scale... and for far longer. Perhaps forever.


 * Now... uh... 173.66.193.28... whoever you are... do you really wish such a fate on a character? Regardless of what he did? That's kinda disproportionate to what he did... all he did was take out one guy to make a chick cry ONLY because it was the most effective way to free the other half of himself so that he can be complete once more. In all due respect, he was only trying to survive the only was he knew how, considering that he shows signs of aging (200 years seems to be the physical equivalent to 40ish to him, if observations point true), which would suggest that his immortality had been reduced to extended longevity once Iblis was split from him.


 * Add that to the fact that he's really just the side product of a science experiment gone wrong that was essentially fed the idea that he's SUPPOSED to be bad from the get go (Thanks a lot on THAT one Shadow... -_- ), and that his good counterpart (Shadow) has similar origins (both projects involve playing God over something that man really shouldn't try and alter (Death and Time) ), and yet, Shadow is the praised one of what he is... is it any wonder why Mephiles might be a bit psycho? Shadow is what he CAN'T be. Shadow is what he MIGHT HAVE ended up like. Shadow is superior to him every way. And yet... he cannot exist without Shadow. Shadow is the basis of his known form. Shadow is the one who trapped him. Shadow is the one who inadvertently influenced him to be the Mephiles we know. He wants to destroy Shadow... but doing so would unravel the thread of time that links the both of them in that paradox I pointed out way up about. He would destroy himself... whether or not he knows that is a good question... hmm...


 * Sooo... Mephiles could really be an unfortunate soul suffering from self induced insanity and delusions. He doesn't know any better other than what he knows and why he thinks it's a good idea. Add to that that his chronological age from the time the Scepter was made to the point that he broke free from it in the start of Shadow's story... and he's only 10 years old. All of that time, he's spent in dark isolation, listening to God knows what that's been going on in his head...


 * Besides, if Shadow's boss fights with him are any indications... it's an easy S Rank, since all he does is warp, twirl, laugh, summon, talk and dissolve into temper tantrums when it's not going his way... XD


 * As much as I liked him and felt his performance was to little given... I dunno if a third boss fight would be a good idea with him, unless he had some leveled up form that's a good challenge...


 * On that subject... what's the real difference between Phase 1 and Phase 2? The music? The persistence? That Rouge is there in Phase 2 as well? He looks the same, and fights the same, just uses more things to keep you from hitting him...


 * On a sillier note, I actually accessed a glitch one time (I dunno how, exactly) that after the Chaos Meter went down and the ground looked all oily again... I could still hit and deal damage to him. So, under certain circumstances... Normal Shadow can still kick his butt. XD


 * Gee... I trailed off... ^^;

RaeLogan 05:09, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Y'know, I might not be the first to think of this, but Mephiles could have been accidentily released in Generations. Think about it. Eggman used the Time Eater to "undo his previous defeats". In doing so, various places and people from Sonic's past & present were sucked into the damaged timestream, one of them being Crisis City. By rights, "Crisis City" isn't supposed to exist in the timeline anymore, since it's part of the "future" destroyed by Iblis. If it was brought back, then wouldn't that mean the events of 06' were acknowledged as though it actually happened? (minus the fact that the events of 06 snuffed out Iblis and Mephiles out of existance.) If so, wouldn't that mean there's the possibility that Mephiles could still exist? Of course, when the Time Eater was defeated, everything was returned back to normal. Still, you think it could work, despite the whole thing seeming so far-fetched? You never know, SEGA could try to pull a stunt like this in the games... SonikkuBoom20 14:13, January 3, 2012 (UTC) SonikkuBoom20

I feel evil.....
When i'm at the part where Mephiles told Shadow to join with him i feel like i was going evil on that.

Artwork
You know maybe Mephile's Sonic Tweet card could be his offical artwork i'll do some editing to make it so-The Ferbette 12:25, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Purple Emerald
"...finds the purple Chaos Emerald and uses it to warp to Sonic and Elise's location..." So how did he have that emerald in Silver's time? It seems to me that after he got the purple emerald in Mephiles' Smile, he went back to the future and convinced the hedgehog he saw earlier to kill Sonic, then when that failed he did it himself. It's the only way he makes sense at all. If no one objects I'll fix it myself. --TheLairOfRockwhales 06:04, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I was listening to you, I'm just saying it doesn't add up either way, hence, confusing. E.g. Why would Mephiles tell Silver to kill Sonic if he's going to kill him himself? And how would he know what Silver was doing when they met in the present?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  23:19, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1. Because he WASN'T going to kill him himself. Hence why he had Silver do it. He's a coward as seen in his boss fights. 2. Because he went back to the present with Silver, remember? He went to the future with Shadow (speculation: he's smart, so maybe he knows what of the future, but then you still control the past, only you- *cough*) and then fight, back to the present, Chaos Emerald hunt, then he finds the purple one. Honestly, how would he have that purple one in the future? Or know of Sonic and Elise for that matter? Besides I'm not even saying that as fact, I'm just stating that it makes the most sense because of the emerald (also see the above image of his ring coloration). Besides, you're telling me that he magicly pulled the emerald out of his butt and told Silver to kill someone he didn't know about, then lost and found it again, makes more sense than my suggestion? Um... --TheLairOfRockwhales 23:25, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

You're point about Mephiles knowing about Sonic and Elise doesn't make sense as he never seems to interact with them in the present. As you pointed out, Mephiles doesn't like to get his hands dirty, so it doesn't make sense if setting Silver on Sonic is one of the last things he does, we know in Flame Core he tried to convince Shadow to join him and after that fails he doesn't bother with Shadow (except from when Shadow confronts him). Sure, the whole Purple Chaos Emerald thing doesn't make sense, but niether does the cyan emerald. That's just the joys of time travel.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  23:42, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe after Shadow fails him he tries Silver, and after that he just does what he should have done in the first five minutes of the game. I don't know. All I was pointing out was that my suggestion is the only logical origin of the purple emerald. This doesn't make the whole Smile cutscene make as much sense, but it explains why he has the knowledge and possibly why he's had a slight pallete alteration. That's all I was trying to say. --TheLairOfRockwhales 23:49, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * And yes it's speculation, but so is saying he killed Sonic imediataly and somehow got the emerald in the future earlier. Until Sega says something, but they won't because they hate Mephiles for some reason Didn't even get official art...*snif*. --TheLairOfRockwhales 23:51, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Image
Would this be acceptable for use? It's from Mephiles's Sonic Tweet card, all I did was remove the background.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  23:51, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Generations
On the article, it says Mephiles cameos in Sonic Generations. Does anyone have any actual proof for that claim? The game's been out for a bit thanks to the Best Buy street-date-break and so far, I have seen not a glimpse of Mephiles. --Herman2000 03:16, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Credits. --TheLairOfRockwhales 19:07, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

I probably should have read this before posting what I said. Anyways, he isn't in the cameos list, so...

81.159.51.93 23:18, December 29, 2011 (UTC)Ikilledkenny41

OK, I got a reply from what I posted saying he's in the credits somewhere.

86.160.175.230 20:08, December 30, 2011 (UTC)Ikilleddkenny41

Mistake about Mephiles?
According to this, Mephiles appeared as a cameo, but in the Sonic Generations cameo list, he's nowhere.

Can someone please explain this?!

81.159.51.93 23:14, December 29, 2011 (UTC)Ikilledkenny41

The credits. <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; border:4px ridge steelblue; padding:1px; -moz-box-shadow: 0px 0px 7px black; -webkit-box-shadow: 0px 0px 7px blueviolet; box-shadow 0px 0px 7px black;"> Blaze Chance  1  23:18, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

"One of the two characters to actually succeed in killing Sonic"
Who was the other one? - 190.138.10.18 09:10, March 31, 2012 (UTC