Talk:Sonic Unleashed/Archive 1

Vandalism
VADALIZED! VANDALIZED! VANDALIZED! this page has obviously been vadalized under the story section, should be fixed soon. Sonicobbsessed 22:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but in the future you can save yourself some trouble thought this method: all you have to do is check the history, find when the vandalism took place, select the preceeding edit, copy the good content that has been vandalized, and place it back into the main article. If you catch the vandalism soon enough, you can simply undo the last edit(s) to take care of the vandalism. This way, you won't need to reconstruct the section in question from scratch. Stumpers 03:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Characters
Should we add Professor Pickle to the list of characters? --Flajuram 19:00, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No. I don't see he should be a character on the list since he's Unleashed exclusive and not truly a major to the Sonic community like Chip was. Enzeru 12:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

well we should at least make a stub, after all this is a sonic wiki after allMasterTheif43 20:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Adabat
Is it based on South America or Thailand? --Flajuram 11:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Thailand--13sonicstar--

South America isn't in a beach zone, it´s more tropical, and has some autochthonous species like toucans and tapires.Lukethehedgehog 22:34, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Adabat is based of Thailand.Sonic100jam 15:40, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

I think Adabat is based on Hawaii.Danielk2427 13:01, March 22, 2011 (UTC)Danielk2427

GOW Similarity
I have noticed while playing that the controls and experience of the Nighttime levels somewhat resemble that of "God of War". Should this be mentioned? EHeroFlareNeos 01:00, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Sonic Unleashed.
there's another sonic unleashed page that needs to be deleted. Sonic Unleashed.  Myself 123  22:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I think we should put in the fact that sega is giving Downloadable content to the 360 version of sonic unleashed, they already released some for chun-nan and spagonia. MasterTheif43 20:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: DLC
I think it should be mentioned that both the XBox 360 and PS3 versions are getting DLC content, such as updates and new Acts. Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone!--Ghaleonh41 20:42, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Well since everyone is to lazy to add anything, I took the liberty of writing it myself. MasterTheif43 23:53, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Sonic is the only playable character my foot!
That statement is not true! Here's my proof: In the final boss, you play as the Gaia Colossus/Chip/Light Gaia. Chip is the only other character playable.-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 11:18, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Little thing about the Trivia.
The other week I came to this page and read the Trivia about falling from the sky. I was going to correct that it was the 2nd time, but had to go do something and didn't get to it. Today, I came back, and now it says Unleashed is the second time, but if I remember correctly, this will actually be the third. Sonic fell from the sky in Sonic Adventure, when the Tornado was shot down by Dr. Robotnik/Eggman/whatever you prefer. Just thought I'd throw that out there since it seems to have been forgotten.

But Sonic also fell from the sky in Sonic Advance and Sonic Advance 2!--Shadow34 14:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Making a trivia fact more factual
Ok, if I am being called a vandal, then clearly I need to explain the logic behind this edit.

Old version: Sonic Unleashed could be considered the only game to have Sonic run away from his fears. This is displayed in the Spagonia cutscene when Sonic the Werehog saves Amy, right before she can fully turn around and get a good look at him, he darts off, afraid of what Amy would think of him.

My revised version: One cutscene contains a reference to the ending of Sonic CD. During the cutscene, Sonic (in his werehog state) is seen carefully putting Amy on the ground after having saved her, with her eyes closed, then quickly leaving when she opens her eyes and tunrs to look at him.

Sonic always runs from Amy so it is very presumptous to say that he rans form her in fear of what she'd think of him. This scene is exactly the same as Sonic CD, and he most likely ran form her in this game for the same reason as in Sonic CD and other games. In addition to that, it contradicts what Chip said about Sonic, he said that he never gives into the night or the darkness inside his heart, which was his explanation for how he still remains like his usual self at night even though a portion of Dark Gaia inhabbits his body, I actually read each profile on the Dark Gaia minnions and one thing they are powered by are the fears of others, so if Sonic was running from his fears in that scene, then he would theoratically lose himself to the night, so ultimately, the older version contradicts with the story. Also my revisison notes how this scene is similar to Sonic CD which shiuld be the man subject of the trivia fact and not just a small add-on at the end. Jacktheinfinite101 04:44, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Explain this then: Sonic states he "needs to be careful who sees [him as a werehog]", then runs from Amy. After Amy finds out that it was him, he no longer runs from her.

-SalaComMander

While that is true, he wasn't too worried about Tails seeing him as the Werehog because he called right out to him and he performs multiple interactions with other characters throughout the story without any concern for that. Not to meniton Amy had already seen him once before and wasn't too freaked out by him. It is likely that Sonic ceased t worry about his night form when he saw that people weren't so terrified by it. Additionally, there was never another cutscene in SU where Amy and Sonci were scene together, so we don't know how he would have acted around her afterwards. Jacktheinfinite101 04:56, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

-SalaComMander
 * sigh* When Sonic said he needed to be careful who saw him, he wasn't talking about TAILS, not that it mattered, Tails would've found out anyways, considering Sonic had just saved him from a pack of monsters. Amy had already seen him as a Werehog at that point. Sonic at the time figured "Great, now she's seen me", but after Amy thinks it isn't him, he gets depressed (SonAmy reference), and the next time he comes across her, he tries to take advantage of the fact that she still doesn't know it's him, to no avail. Marking the first time in a Sonic game where Sonic runs from his fears.

Again that is very presumptuous. Since she had already seen him and jumped him with no fear and then even stood there talking to herself and even apologized to him with no concernd for his appearance and since Sonic isn't stupid, he would know form that experience that Amy is not afraid of his new look. Also Amy would have found out too (which she did) because he saved her form a pack of monsters as well. In addition to that, Sonic has plenty of other scnearios where he is out right in the open at night where other people can see. In the story, Sonic does not concern himself with the Professor seeing him and in addition to that he interacts with the elder of the Chun-nan village with no concern. Actualy every time in the cutscenes that Sonic interacts with someone who is not aware of his transformation, he does so by saving them from Dark Gaia monsters, including Amy, yet, he ONLY runs from Amy and Amy is the only person who he knew wouldn't be afraid of him (because with every other character, it was the first time they had run accorss one another but he had already run into Amy who clearly was not afraid of him at all). While I am not saying that you are wrong per se, I am saying that there is not enough evidence to prove 100% that you are right and that the current version seems more like a fan interpretation than a factual ackknowledgement of the scene. Since we can't prove it, it seems it would be better off being left as a factual recollection of the event and if we left it the way that it is we would also be reinforcing a plot hole (see my first post). Jacktheinfinite101 05:29, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

He did save her from a pack of monsters, but unlike Tails, she wasn't exactly..."into it" at the time. Of course he wouldn't care about how the Professor thinks he looks, he needs the Professor's help either way. You are really, really helping me prove my point. The trivia stays as is.

-SalaComMander

"Into it"? Please elaborate. Not to mention you haven't addressed other examples like the Chun-Nan elder. Additionally, there is even if I can't convince you that Sonic isn't running from Amy out of fear, there is still more I can argue that I haven't that would warrant the change of this trivia fact. Jacktheinfinite101 05:46, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

By "into it", I meant to imply she wasn't fully awake. Let me clear this up one more time, Sonic stated he needed to be careful who saw him like this. He was referring to someone in particular. You seem to be denying that he even said the phrase. -SalaComMander

Now you are assmuning that he was referring to Amy, you have no proof. Not to mention based on Chip's reaction (scared for his life), it would suggest he meant anyone. I am not denying that he said the phrase, but you are assuming an interpretation of that when we should not. Jacktheinfinite101 05:52, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Alright Sala, you have less proof than Jack. In the cutscene he said "anyone who sees me like this", now anyone means more than one person, not Amy in particular. Why would he only mean Amy? Jack's is far more factual than yours, and it is more interesting to notice that scene is similar to Sonic CD than Sonic running away from his fears when he isn't.--58SlugDrones! 06:00, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Don't bring your Anti-SonAmy into this. I'm not the guy who put that up there, I'm just the guy who's defending it because it's true. (Seriously, out of every to complain to, he picked you? You who has no respect for trivia sections at all?) By the way, the point I'm trying to defend also points out that there's similarities to that scene from Sonic CD, so that whole "more interesting" thing isn't going to work. Face it, 58, you've never beaten me when it comes to trivia, so let it go.

-SalaComMander

Oh really!? Then why is Werehohg's trivia my way then? When did you ever win? Do you not remember that Supermorff had finalized it by saying I was right? Then Scrab helped me to make the trivia better?--58SlugDrones! 06:07, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

"Your way"? "Your way"?! Your way was to get rid of it entirely! And lastr I checked, it was still there. All I did was put it back every time you performed what would normally be vandalism.

-SalaComMander

When did 58 ever bring Anti-Sonamy into this? In fact I think you just brought sonamy into this. Let's get one thing clear here, I have nothing against sonamy, but there is no solid proof that Sonic has mutual feelings for Amy, while it is possible, it is not confirmed, when it comes to a wikia, romance should only be brought up if it is CONFIRMED, the only characters that should be affiliated with romance are characters like Rouge and Amy who we know are romantically interested in someone else, we can not prove that Sonic is interested in Amy to tht degree so it should be left out, saying that he is would be considered vandalism. Jacktheinfinite101 06:14, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't want to remove the whole trivia. Supermorff, Kagi and Scarb, three admins, said I was right. Anyways, forget about Werehog's trivia.

Why would you think that Sonic ran away from his fears?--58SlugDrones! 06:16, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. Jack is right.--58SlugDrones! 06:18, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

If you didn't want to delete all of the Werehog's trivia, why did you do it? Repeatedly? We've been over this. Many times, now. -SalaComMander

I didn't. I first removed all of it, then when you guys wanted it to stay, I just removed some of the content, then we discussed it over, at the Talk Page. You guys wouldn't agree, I got mad. Supermorff came and said I was right, Scrab listened and decided to help me. And after that we never spoke about it again.

I don't want to talk about something that happened a seriously long time ago. I want to talk about this, and it's not that I want to talk about this, we should talk about this, okay?--58SlugDrones! 06:24, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

I second that, Jacktheinfinite101 06:27, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

You see that? That's called compromise. It's not a victory, and it's not a defeat. No matter how many members of authority helped you in order to comprimise, it shall always remain thus.

We are talking about this. And this discussion, whether you like it or not, has brief indulgences in SonAmy. Sonic ran from the fear of Amy realizing that the big monster she met earlier really is him.

-SalaComMander

Yeah, that's a good point. But, Amy was never scared of him in the first place, you see. She didn't comment that he looks "ugly" or something.--58SlugDrones! 06:33, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't say that, now did I? While she didn't think he was ugly or scary,Sonic was afraid she just wouldn't think of him in the same way if he was this big hairy monster.

Let me give you a trivia question. Do you know specifically why Sonic is afraid of water? Don't just say "Because he can't swim", go into detail.

I'm logging off now, so just leave it as is, and we'll continue this later.

-SalaComMander

No don't go into detail, the only reason we know why Sonic is afraid of water is because he can't swim (and the reason that 58 states later). Never assume information that isn't stated or HIGHLY emphasized. This wikia is supposed to give as much information about Sonic and be as ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE! If someone asked me why Sonic was afraid of water I would not say that it was becaused he almost drowned when he was 8, I would say it was because he can't swim because that is all I or any other fan knows and I would not want to give that person false info. The same applies to this scene. Jacktheinfinite101 06:44, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Also what you just said ("Sonic ran from the fear of Amy realizing that the big monster she met earlier really is him.") suggests that Sonic ran from Amy because if she knew that the "monster" was Sonic then she would chase him, and that is the reason he runs from her (regardless of how he feels ab out amy or why he runs from her when she chases him), so by that extension, you are saying that Sonic ALWAYS shows fear when he runs from Amy. Jacktheinfinite101 06:35, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, Jack is right. Sonic always does run away from Amy.

And if you think that, then why would Sonic be scared if she would think that "monster" is him?--58SlugDrones! 06:43, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Why is Sonic afraid of water?: That is because Yuji Naka first thought that hedgehogs couldn't swim, so that's why he didn't give Sonic the ability to swim in games. But then he saw a picture of a hedgehog swimming in water, so he thought he was wrong, but then he saw in the picture that the hedgehog was using the help of a tree to get out. So then he thought, "Oh no! No one is helping Sonic!". So the thing is, that Sonic can't get out of the water all by himself.--58SlugDrones! 06:47, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

... So, he assumed that hedgehogs can't swim, so that's why he made it that Sonic can't swim. But then recently he saw a photograph in Germany of a hedgehog swimming, so that wasn't quite accurate.

Apparently hedgehogs can swim, but they can't climb out of water. That picture he saw was a guidance thing showing that you should help the hedgehog back up onto a branch, so it can get out. And he [Naka] was thinking, "Oh, nobody is helping Sonic!'"--58SlugDrones! 07:01, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

You got the trivia question right! The reason Sonic is afraid of water is because of the inate fear that nobody will help him. Fear is a strange thing. People can be afraid of things for unexplainable reasons. This is known as a "phobia". Sonic is also afraid that if Amy knew he were a big monster, she wouldn't love him anymore.

-SalaComMander

You still don't get it. You don't have any actual proof that Sonic is afraid of Amy finding out that he is a "monster". There are a number of reasons he could have run from Amy and you are making a fan-guess based on unconfirmed facts. The point is that content should always be a factual as possible. Jacktheinfinite101 17:59, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

"A number of other reasons", huh? Let's hear two logical examples.

-SalaComMander

1. He did not want Amy to follow him around

2. He didn't have time to deal with Amy because he had more important things to do (like saving the world).

3. He didn't want Amy to forcively hug him.

4. He didn't want Amy to chase him with a hammer.

5. He didn't want Amy to see him in his Werehog form.

As you noticed, I used yours as an example, that is because yours is a "logical example" too. All five of these examples are "logical" but we don't know that any single one of them is true so NONE of them should be in the trivia fact. What we do know is that the scene resembles the ending to Sonic CD and THAT is what the trivia fact should be, something we know for fact and nothing that we don't know for sure. Another example is the scene where Sonic gets depressed, there are a few reasons why he is depressed, but the trivia fact only says that he becomes depresses and not any guesses as to why he is depressed. Jacktheinfinite101 18:13, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

1: And why not?

2: But he had time to chat with Tails, as well as several minor characters

3: In order fo rher to do that, she would first have to know that he was the Werehog, which brings us back to the original point

4: Completely illogical

5: And we're back where we started

If you didn't notice. The version that was there before you started editing it mentions the similarities to Sonic CD, so that's not helping you. As for the trivia mentioning Sonic being depressed when Amy leaves...it actually doesn't, so why bring it up?

-SalaComMander

Yes but it mentions it like some pointless side note, it should be the main subject regarding the cutscene and there should be an explanation as to why they are similar. Ok so that trivia fact does not exists (perhaps I was thinking of s different article) but here's the point, if we did have a trivia fact about the scene,all it should say is that this is noe of the few times Sonic is seen depressed and it should explain what happened, but it should NOT attempt to give an explanation as to why Sonic feels depresed as there are multiple answers to that. Anyway you are dodging the main point STAY FACTUAL. Jacktheinfinite101 18:30, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

I am not dodging, I am responding to what you say. Therefor, if I am dodging the subject, it is because you are. If you want to edit the trivia so it goes into more detail about the scenes' similarities, go ahead, but leave the first part alone.

-SalaComMander

Theere are a few reasons why the first part should go. The first reason is because it is too speculative. The second reason is that it enforces a plot hole. The third reason is that the only portion of the first part that actually is factual is wrong to begin with. Jacktheinfinite101 18:40, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Plot hole? What plot hole? And what makes it wrong?

-SalaComMander

Plot Hole: Chip explains that Sonic's personality of never giving into the night and the darkness inside his heart and never doubting himself is the reason that while he physically changes at night, he retains his concious will. I read each profile of the Dark Gaia minnions and one of the things they use to manifest themselves (possess) others is fear, even small fears like rumor and gossip. So Sonic musn't have shown any fear (or anything else negatve that a Dark Gaia minnion would use to possess someone) and fear is one of them, so by extension, Sonic must not have run form his fears, if he ever encountered them he must have faced them and not let them divert him from his path so to speak. If this was not ture, Sonic would be possessed by Dark Gaia during the night.

Why it is wrong: If Sonic not wanting Amy to see him as the Werehog counts as a fear, then running form her when she tries to hit him with her hammer (Sonic Riders,Sonic Rush, Sonic and the Black Knight) also applies as a fear too. So basically, even if it is true that Sonic is running from amy in fear of what'd she'd think, that would not be the only time Sonic has run away from his fears before so there is no real reason for that trivia fact to even exist. Jacktheinfinite101 19:07, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Chip also says he's too strong to lose himself, so even if Sonic showed fear, his will would prevent Dark Gaia from taking over. Besides, if this was a plot hole, it wouldn't be the first.

He's not afraid of Amy, but that was a discussion from a long time ago. If you're this passionate about it, take it up with the guy who posted it there.

-SalaComMander

Chip said that THE REASON he is too strong to lose himself is because of the fact that he does not give into things like, fear, greed, hatred, anger, etc. He never is overcome with those dark emotions. For example, he is afraid of water yet in the classic games he is brave (bravery meaning facing that which you are afraid of) enough to go right to the bottom very deep water formations and in Sonic Unleashed, he is brave enough to run atop massive lakes with no dry surfaces in sight.

Whle Sonic is not afraid of Amy in general, he is clearly afraid of her when she is angry at him. People have tried to kill Sonic in unimaginable ways and yet he doesn't run from then scared, he defends himself wheras when Amy pulls out that hammer, he bolts. I'm not saying that Sonic would hurt Amy, but if he wasn't afraid of her then he would do a number of sensable things, one of which is disarm her, he is easily capable of getting rid of that hammer without hurting her yet he doesn't, he even got hit by her once.

The reason I am taking this up with you is because you aparently want this trivia fact to stay so much that you won't let me change it. I don't see the person who added it originally complaining. I wouldn't even be in this discussion if I you would allow me to make the change. Jacktheinfinite101 19:23, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I am going to be recording some footage for my Sa2 playthrough on YT so I might not respond as quickly if you feel the need to continue this discussion. Jacktheinfinite101 19:31, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Chip said the reason he's too strong to lose himself is because he never gives in to the darkness in his heart.

I just skipped the rest of it because this is no longer my problem.

-SalaComMander

Ok so then you're done with this discussion? Jacktheinfinite101 20:03, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, pals! Sorry I wasn't around. My computer is going to go for repairing so I am using a cell phone, so apparently it would take really long to read your messages. Are we settled with the argument?--58SlugDrones! 05:37, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

I believe we are settled. Jacktheinfinite101 08:46, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sonic boost
Just something I thought I'd mention about the sonic boost. It says that it was carried over from sonic rush (named tension in sonic rush). I noticed that with tension you can push boxes, but with sonic boost you can't.

I've got the secret videos!
But, they have a special voice emulator, called Loquendo(it´s in spanish), but, I doesn't hear pretty loud the voices, and people may not understeand the voices. By the way, I put the URL of the video, contact me on my talk page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuHWXzk_u4g

anyway, thanks Lukethehedgehog 23:01, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * The video was deleted, so I'll try to find another one.--Luke the hedgehog 17:41, April 12, 2011 (UTC)