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SonicStorm478 wrote: Yeah, I thought Scourge was a pretty cool character. He's basically like a true counterpoint to Sonic compared to Shadow.

He's also a bit iffy copyright-wise since he was "created" by Penders and was orignally basically nothing more than Sonic wearing a leather jacket appearance-wise. Then was turned into Scourge by Ian Flynn to make him more interesting and slightly more distinct.

Basically, he's based on Sonic, so while Penders somehow owns the rights to him (So he claims), he can't use him. On the flipside, since he's supposedly Penders', Archie can't use him either.

Makes my head hurt a bit. NotLessOrEqual wrote: Mystic Monkey wrote: My favourate character was Scourge. Yeah he was rather cliché but thats what I liked about him.

Uhhh...I didnt really like Scourge since the beginning, not that I hate it. Besides being an attempted rip off by Penders, Scourge didn't really have any other motives than being the evil sonic from an alternate universe, acting all kool and badass and stealing Sonic (and tail's) girl. It doesnt really add a lot to his overall character. What they could have done on a creative narrative point of view, could be something happens mentally with Sonic where some meddling with Chaos Emerald creates a split physical persona of him based on his bad personality which he managed to hide away at the back of his head. And then said persona goes on through character developement, yadda yadda, tries to attack The freedom fighters, take over the world yadda yadda. Less of a cliche of being "the bad/good sonic from an alt universe where everything is reverse).

Sorta like Yu-Gi-Oh classic basically. I have Archie comics idea how he could be reintroduced into the series.

Dr. Eggman attempts to clone Sonic using his grandfathers equipment from ARK. He names the project: ASHURA. When the green hedgehog awakens for the first time, instead of his brain being a blank slate for Eggman to fill (other than his head being partially cyberized) he had memories of a prior life as the scourge of Sonic's life. Regardless he adopts the name Ashura.

At least thats how I imagine it can work. It fits in well with Sega mandates. Sonic can't have any siblings but didn't say anything about clones and Ashura does not belong to Ken Penders. (Though he is more fandom property, depends how the glitch founder Charles "Kiken" Mugg feels about it.)

NotLessOrEqual wrote: Mystic Monkey wrote: Well I still think they're being too harsh and in doing so making Sonic less of a relatable character. True. The comics before the purge was when we get to see Sonic most relatable. Not like the games or anything else. He was powerful and strong, sure. But not invincible. This allowed for character developement, unlike the games version where "HE ALWAYS WINS, NEVER LOSE AND NEVER CRY". See? No Room, no, scratch that, no NEED for character developement. And now Sega wants that Sonic for the comics and I can not imagine that working. The comics are constant story about life on this new Mobius, a world that develops and change and Sonic will just be a constant force in it than regarded as a person.

NotLessOrEqual wrote: Mystic Monkey wrote:

I think the comic started out with mandates but over time Archie tried to work around the mandates. I think by then Sega accepted Archie comics knew what they weer doing due to sheer popularity of the comics and leased some mandates up, such as permitting Sonic to have parents or that story arc where he went to school for some reason or courtship with Princess Sally when she was considering marriage.

That was probably when the License people were piss drunk and didn't bat an eyelid to check up what Archie was cooking up. All they saw was: "Oh look! we are getting high sales from your comics, watever your doing, keep doing it, cya!" I agree with the parents thing as long as its reasonable. It makes them more relatable a bit more realistic. So what? Mobians just procreate a-sexually by dividing in two? Pfft.

Anyway, I didn't think Sal was being serious about marriage at the time even after i read the Future Arcs. They could be couple sure, but from an economic, social and political point of view, Sonic is probably the worst candidate for a royal marriage out of everyone else. He had no money, no significant political relations and was a commoner. Since they married and had kids in the future, I'm pretty sure Sal just ended the Acorn line right there and then unless she reformed the rules. Remember Eli and Meg? Meg and their daughter Alexis cant take the throne because they are commoners. Acorn bloodline stops at Elias' end. Whoops. However, the reason why they might have married other than for love maybe due to political purposes. By the way Max Acorn talked about it in one issue, I hypothesize mobian culture and divided in a social class structure. Maybe the marriage could signify a relation of rich and poor and the removal of the social barrier? who knows?

I understood the school part somewhat. Sonic is pretty stupid. gotta learn how not to die when facing Eggman, eh? Since her brother became king, I can imagine Princess Sally giving up her crown (tiara?) to live a less that royal life with Sonic. Sonic perhaps becoming a duke, marquess, earl, viscount, or baron. Someone of noble class but Sonic doesn't have to act like it nor worry about any royal responsibilities. But Ken Penders had other ideas. Elias wife Meg would affectively be more of a princess or dutchess than a queen while her husband will remain king. Queen Victoria dearly loved her husband Prince Albert, but Albert was a Prince Consort and could not be king. Might work similar to mobians like Meg and Sonic if they married royalty.

Now Post-SGW Sally Acorn has a new, albeit currently absent mother but appears to be an only child. Since Sega are against Sonally, seems Sally can concentrate on being queen when she feels it's time. If Archie Comics will ever have comics set in the future ever again I doubt it.

Pity, I wanted to know how Elias will take his crown back from Naugus with his secret agency of freedom fighters. But that went out the window as fast as Wally Naugus did.

NotLessOrEqual wrote: Mystic Monkey wrote:

Ken Penders just made Sega more hard-nosed on the quality of the comics. I think Sega have a tight budget and all them lawsuits made them peeved. they're trying to recover Sonic's reputation but I think they're doing it in a wrong way. Yeah, you're right. its not specifically only Pender's fault, its also partly Sega's fault. I remember in Pender's private forum he said that Sega/Archie wanted to sue in a quarter million dollars in damages. Short story, Penders' wasn't happy. As much as I always have and always will love Sonic, Sega themselves have fallen from grace since the dreamcast went belly-up. It's hard to be supportive and want best for Sonic if his "fathers" are being headless chickens about it.