Talk:Sonic News Network/Archive 2

Fanart
I my opinion, fanart images here, on SNN aren't serving any relevance, and should be deleted. What do you, the Sonic News Network community, think about the matter? LORD  SLJCOAAATR  Admin 21:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think fan-art should only be for people's user look-up. Fan art wouldn't be informative for most, being as anyone can add stuff like different colors and anything else that would cause many rumors, like "OMG! Sonic is really fat!" or "HEY! Shadow's stripes are really blue!" or any other nonsense. Sonic Fan Fiction is also pointless on a Sonic Wiki, due to the fact that some Sonic Fan stuff may serve no relation to Sonic at all. --Nickno 22:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Nick, by user look-up, I assume you mean userspace? As I'm fine with that. It's just, I don't have the time to go through EVERY bit of fanart, and check to see if it's even being used at all... LORD  SLJCOAAATR  Admin 22:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with SLJ in theory, but might widespread deletion of fanon creations alienate some editors who contribute useful articles as well? Wouldn't the wiki be better served by someone making one canon article and one fanon article than it would by someone who makes no articles at all? (Molten Scandium 22:24, 13 January 2009 (UTC))
 * That's fine, and dandy, Molten. If you see a 'fanon' article, look at the page's 'History'. If there's pretty much been one solid editor for it, select 'Move'. Type in User:(Insert users name here, not this)/(Name of article, not this.)
 * Make sure you don't forget the '/'! LORD  SLJCOAAATR  Admin 22:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Oops. Yeah, I meant userspace. Anyways, I really think fan art shouldn't be on this wiki at all. I was thinking at another one's point of view. I mean really, The SONIC Wiki should be about, umm, oh yeah, SONIC ! But, I guess there will always BE Sonic Fan stuff on here. Also, I think SLJ's theory of moving fan pages by one person is good. If someone makes their own Sonic character, then they should have it on their userspace. It makes perfect sense. --Nickno 22:47, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

←SLJ, people have been putting fanart on here for a while. Let's just leave it. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. Y'know? Having a conversation between a small group of editors and then deleting all these images without telling anybody about it, is exactly the same injustice we had on Wikipedia with that huge merge.Fair field fencer F F F  23:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, this came at an opportune time. With reference to what I've just done with Scrap Brain Zone. While I was rewriting and re=formatting that article I was actually thinking a nice piece of fanart wouldn't go amiss. And I think it looks better the way it is than if you take it out. 'Cos you see, it is relevant where I've stuck it.

(Molten Scandium 01:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC))
 * Fanart can't be used in articles because it doesn't depict the article's subject properly. You're treating this like I was with information I saw as relevant on Wikipedia. But there's just one tiny flaw in that argument. All the information I wanted to keep was official, while the fanart you want to put in articles is not.Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  10:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the main priority with fanart is simply leave it were it is and remove any that makes its way into article-space. That way, everyone wins.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  10:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Fanart can't be used in articles because it doesn't depict the article's subject properly. - Good point, well made. In which case I concur. (Molten Scandium 11:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC))
 * T'whatever suits yo boat, Triple. Looks like we'll just keep it out of mainspace. Any other opinions? <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Admin 20:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, in my honest opinion, 99% of fanrt is crap, both in appearance and in design. This is a wiki, with no need for fancruft. And even if fanart is limited, as it has been as of late, people will still post it. It's better just to ban it altogether, but even then, it likely won't solve anything.<font color="Red">E123 <font color="Black">Brawler  <font color="Red">Ω  01:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, because it'll still get uploaded. Users on this wiki have every right to put whatever information about themselves on their userpages. I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to put fanart there as well.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  11:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Fanart should be restricted to userpages and connected pages (IE. userpage/something), outside the main space. In some cases though, where it's impossible for an original image and a fan made image is as close as possible to the needed image, then that should be passable. Flashfire212 09:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No it shouldn't. This website deals with official information. The images in the articles should be official too.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  11:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Real image, or no image at all. <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Admin 20:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I mean that fanart can be useful. They use Fanart on the Final Fantasy wiki to great effect. Why can't they use it here for improved images of badniks if the image just plain sucks? Flashfire212 00:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

You have a very good point there, Flashfire212.-It&#39;s-a me, KP Blue!! Wish me luck in the final WST

Thank you! Flashfire212 00:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Like I've alreadt stated, we deal with official info in articles so we should deal with official images as well. Those guys at the Final Fantasy wiki think it's a good idea, but I say different for numerous reasons. One of those reasons is fanart can never be trusted to be 100% accurate which is what we want our articles to be. Take fanart of E-123 Omega for example. Every piece of artwork of him I've seen has not been completely accurate. Most of the time they give him two Omega symbols when he usually has one. The few artists that actually manage to avoid that mistake usually make others. Like the images quality isn't good enough. Like the artist sowia. He's always avoided that mistake but he always draws things in pencil so the quality isn't good enough. And he's drawn pictures of Team Dark at Christmas or on holiday at the seaside. If somebody comes across this image after seeing that sowia drew an image of Omega and it's on his article, the user might think "Am I supposed to think because those pieces of fanart with Team Dark at the seaside are official because they used sowia's other fanart on a wiki? Maybe." When the answer is actually no.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  10:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I support fan art. I Believe that Fan art for mainspace articles should only be aprooved by admins and higher mods, but still be allowed to be uploaded for Userpage uses like my pictures on my userpages. You won't find them anywhere else. Still if uploading fan art on SNN is a problem to the server or however it works then why not a seperate method of uploading that works? Eitherway it falls in my support for (admin aprooved) fan articles can be allowed on SNN. Incidentally fan art can also be used for mainspace articles if the picture is accurate. for example in the Mighty the Armadillo article we had a picture from Chris Supernerd until replaced by a picture from Archie. Point is at least some fan art should be allowed in Mainspace while OK for Userpages unless it is causing a technical problem with the server that holds SNN images. Also take into notice that SNN if a fan project itself and not made by Sega or Sonic Team--Mystic Monkey 22:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah. I remember Chris' 3D Mighty. But, as FFF has stated, there's some sort of mistake, and could easily fool fans. Back when Mighty had on article on Wikipedia, and that image was used, I thought that it meant Mighty was in a 3D game, and went crazy trying to find him. Then I realised it was photoshopped off Sonic's Shadow art. Same for Tikal's nex-gen art, but, with Amy. Point is, fanart is completely irrelevant. <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Admin 22:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if irrelevent on Mainspace then so be it, perhaps selected fan artist SNN trust to provide pictures for certain articles but if in general fanart is not allowed on Mainspace then I atleast hope it be OK for userpages. I know I said I support aprooved fan articles but lets talk about 'now' than future matters. I have fan art on my userpage thats to show who my fan char is, be problem if by no fan art, it includes Userpage pictures.--Mystic Monkey 23:31, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that Fan art should only be used for characters for which there are limited images of, such as Mephiles or Chip who only appear once and don't even have Sonic Channel bios.
 * No. The fanart should stick to userpages and nothing more. There are loads of reasons why. Show me any simple fanart image and I'll put up a good case why it shouldn't be in an article.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  20:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Not minding whether Mainspce or not, What if it's volunteered and SNN approved fan art as long as it's all accurate? Though Id be satisfied if fanart be allowed on Userpages.--Mystic Monkey 03:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No. I doubt it would be 100% accurate. And besides, the articles deal with official info, the images should be official too.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  08:59, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * True, agree with you there. Problem is getting the official images even if the articles about a rare character. Closest I believe for Mighty would be from Knuckles' Chaotix... I think, I don't own the original copy with manual.--Mystic Monkey 13:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean like this? <font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  13:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yah thats the one. *Checks the Mighty link again* Well was sure it wasn't there last time I checked. Point is that though we have pictures of Archie sonic characters, it's best to provide them with pictures from alternate selves like games etc.--Mystic Monkey 14:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * For that we need pictures from the games and not fanart. just wanted to get that straight.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  14:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Enzeru 17:45, 28 January 2009 (UTC) I say fanart is acceptible on actual pages ONLY if the character has no drawn art we can use on the page and is Sonic Adventure/Sonic Channel styled (ex. Photoshop art of Chip using SA2B style.
 * Can you guarantee it would be 100% accurate? I once saw a recolor of Shadow's Channel art to make it look like Mephiles and I could see things wrong with it. And they're basically the same.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  18:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I think fanart is ok, it should only be used on user namespace, though.--Digisapien 23:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

THIS IS TOTALLY STUPID!!!!!!!!!! Fanart is like any other pic!!!! THAT IS BULLCRAP!!!!!! D:<

In-Universe / Out-Universe writing style
As my beady eye catches the glorious updated front page and ol' Meatbag-hating Omega, I also notice the starting phraseology: "E-123 Omega is a fictional robot robot from the Sonic the Hedgehog video game universe..."'

I.e. not written in an in-universe style (circa my recent Solaris Project page). I'm wondering, before I go on writing more articles, if this is accepted best practice? I don't particularly WANT to have to qualify all my articles with "This is a fictional zone / robot / character" at the start, and I don't think articles on the Sonic wiki require this kind of qualification, given that it's... well, it's not Wikipedia. It isn't supposed to contain a wealth of information on IRL things, so no-one who's going to be reading it is going require the opening "This is fictional" discalimer tag.

Molten Scandium 17:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This is 100% optional, my friend.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  17:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Okays! ^_^ (Molten Scandium 18:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC))
 * Yeup, you're safe. <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Admin 22:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Templaaaaaaaaaates vs. canon
Fellow editors;

While clicking happily on the "Random page" button in an effort to increase my general understanding of those canons what I ain't not seen none of, a theme emerges.

And that theme's name is "Articles with no attribution as to what continuity they belong in".

This is perhaps something of a problem, if we want this wiki to become the central repository of information from... well, all canons. It's important to be able to distinguish between them; especially if you're a fascist like me who eschews all mention of anything but game canon from his own fanfic-y works.

Accordingly:

Might I propose that new templates of the above nature be implemented, with a view as to more clearly specifying the continuity of articles dealing with characters / events / locations which appear only in a single sphere of the grand Sonic metaverse?

Molten Scandium 23:35, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent idea. Make the templates at once but replace the images of characters with the logo of the individual canon.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  08:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Personally, I would say to also make ones for Sonic The Comic and Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog. Games arn't really needed. Also, for note of all things fanon, we should have a fanon catagory for userpage connected/forum connected fanfics and the like. Flashfire212 09:40, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed on both accounts. Comics should have their own template. The logo should be easy to get. The categories for fan pages I at first thought unnecessary, but it would help clear things up for the confused reader.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  09:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I fully intended to craft templates for the comics as well; the two you see above were simply the 'samplers' from what will become a complete set. As for replacing the character pictures with the the appropriate series logos...

THAT was my alternative output for the Sonic Underground one, but I didn't think it looked as good as the Sonia / Manic version. Molten Scandium 11:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, here's another one for ya:


 * {| style="background:#000080; border:1px solid #bbaaba; width:450px;text-align:centre; padding:5px"

<font color="#FFE4E1">This article deals exclusively with a feature of the <font color="#1E90FF">Sonic OAV Movie universe. <font color="#FFE4E1">Be aware that the information presented may not be canonical to the storyline of the Sonic games.
 * style="padding-right: 1em;" |[[Image:SonicTailsSleep.gif|120px]]
 * style="padding-right: 1em;" |<div style="margin-top: 1ex; padding: 0.3ex 1em; border-top: 2px #F5F5DC solid; border-bottom: 2px #F5F5DC solid;">
 * }


 * Molten Scandium 11:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just replace the images with the logos, (you can probably find them on Wikipedia), and then send 'em out throughout the wiki. I must say, Molten, keep it up and admin status is most definitely yours.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  11:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Tails' face I think captures what runs through all our heads when we see some of the fanon insanity people come out with:


 * {|style="color: #000000; background-color: #CC0000; border: 2px solid #000000; padding: 2px; a{ color:#ffffff;}" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 align="center"

<font color="#FFFF33"> THIS ARTICLE IS MARKED FOR SPEEDY DELETION <font color="#FFFF33">It discusses completly unsanctioned fan work and has at best only a tenuous relationship with any official Sonic media <font color="FFFF33">You should move the article to Userspace ASAP, or you may soon find it deleted by an admin
 * style="padding-right: 1em;" |[[Image:Tailswut.jpg|90px]]
 * style="padding-right: 1em;" |<div style="margin-top: 1ex; padding: 0.3ex 1em; border-top: 2px #000000 solid; padding:10px; border-bottom: 2px #000000 solid;">
 * }


 * Poor, poor Tails. Molten Scandium 23:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL. But, Scandium, templates are supposed to go right at the top of articles. I just wanted to clear that out.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  10:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The one on the movie page was nearly at the top. I only shifted it down a tad so you didn't have the MASSIVE GAPING WHITE SPACES on either side.


 * But I take it from this you'd prefer a wide, banner-like template rather than the squashed one I have now, such that the template can be placed at the very top but the aforementioned white spaces aren't there? Molten Scandium 12:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'd prefer for the articles to look nice and neat. I'm a bit of a perfectionist.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  13:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Better?

I'll go update the template now, then. ^^ Molten Scandium 13:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Finished Templates
Volia:

The above is implemented with .

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These are all working and ready to be rolled out. They automaticly add the article to the relevent category, and the template pages themselves include advice on best-use practice and how to resolve possible overlaps. ENJOY!! ^_^


 * (PS: I did look for the logos, on Wikipedia AND Google, but Underground and Sonic X were the only ones I could find. And I had to edit the Sonic X one in Paint myself to get eh background the right colour, which was a bit of a chore I can tell you.)

Molten Scandium 00:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Molten, these are most impressive and will come in very useful. Thank you for all your hard work and determination. You're going to be one of the key gears in the great machine known as the Sonic News Network.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  10:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Aww, I was the one who suggested and wanted to make these ages ago when I started out to help organise between the different canons and even a banner for fancruft.--Mystic Monkey 01:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * So... why didn't you? Molten Scandium 09:20, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 'cus no admin or mod permited me to make them.--Mystic Monkey 14:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Amazing, Molten! As Triple F has stated, you'll be a key player here. Too bad I can't get time to do any major work... ^.^;
 * Anyways, I shall start looking for articles to place these in. Think you could make one along the lines of "This is a fanpage, used only for fanon purposes, and has no relation to any canons's." As well as, ones for the Knuckles' comics, Universe, and those old miniseries'? <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Admin 15:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Im getting lulz'd at, I just know it, since we usually argue over fancruft eh SLJ? :P. >_< So how do you make these banners anyway?--Mystic Monkey 03:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Monkey: You'll note I made prototypes FIRST and THEN asked for permission to implement them. ;D If you want to know how to make them: just steal the code from one of mine and play around with it in Sandbox, or something. It's not too hard once you get the hang of it. If you were wanting to know how to place them: it's just as I laid out above. When you're editing a page, simply type at the top and the AoStH banner will turn up when you view it normally. Molten Scandium 22:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

SLJ: Consider it done. For fanon, at least. With regard to the other miniseries: I understand where you're coming from, but there's something of a problem, and it applies to a lesser extent to the SatAM template too. Before I made these templates, FFF told me that the SatAM and Archie continuities, while largely overlapping, were technically distinct and so I'd be best to make a banner for both of them seperately. And I did, as ye can see above. The problem is that I've found a grand total of ONE article that's in SatAM and not Archie (and I'm not even certain about that one, given that I never watched / read either of those series), which has made me question the need for a SatAM template at all. A combined SatAM / Archie one, on the other hand, would sweep the problem away entirely. Why is this relevant to your request? Well, basicly because I think the problem's only gonna get worse with the Knuckles comics, which are exactly the same continuity as Archie. We'd run the risk of ending up with, liek, multiple banners per page: Archie Continuity and Knuckles series continuity and SatAM continuity' all for the same article, making it both CONFUSING and HORRIBLY UNTIDY. So my humble proposal is this: Just use the ones we have for now (in fact, maybe roll it back one, 'cos the more I think about it, the more attractive a singular SatAM + Archie banner becomes), and IF AND WHEN the number of articles deaing with Knuckles comics / Universe comics ALONE gets to a high enough level, then roll out specific templates for 'em. I just think it's a waste of our time (and, most horribly, MY time in making it) collecting templates that only apply to about two articles, y'see. Molten Scandium 22:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be rather untidy with all those templates. God, imagine what Sonic's article would look like.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  00:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm convinced to agre now, Molten. Even putting up good arguments, unlike my puss-bag come backs. This one's got great potential! Now if only my guy would get back with my plans...... <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Sonic Wikia Admin 01:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I do talk sense sometimes. :) Also, here's the "Fanon" one. I made it a bit louder than the other templates, as it's... well, it's a warning that it's all lies, isn't it?


 * The above is implemented with .


 * I guess credit should go to Mystic Monkey again, as a peruse of the Forums shows that he thought of this 6 months ago as well, lolz. Molten Scandium 02:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I would of helped and made the banner if I knew how banner making and the permisison system works. ^_^; I was wither gonna have Mystic at first but though Ashura would be more of a neutral choice. But I hope the fan banner will be used well, not just for userpages but permitted fan articles, but that discussion is for here since it's already there. Plus technically the fan information would relate to the continuality, unless it truely has nothing to do with Sonic, lik,e a Mario fna on this Wiki.--Mystic Monkey 13:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Although it's a bit late now, FOR FUTURE REFERENCE I'd advise putting the templates at the bottom of the page rather than the top. Lengthy experimentation has demonstrated that, on aggregate, it looks neater down there. Otherwise you have a big wide banner taking up space (and attention) in the opening screen, which tends to detract from the nice presentation of those better-constructed articles. Molten Scandium 20:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * VERY NICE, Molten!
 * Actually, they're better off at the top, due to people who don't look at the bottom. Let's say, without the fanon template, someone looks at a fanon article, doesn't see it at top, assumes it's real. <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Sonic Wikia Admin 21:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Agree with the Fanon one, if only because that's denoting COMPLETLY non-canonical information and so your attention SHOULD be drawn away from the content of the article itself. But for the official continuity templates, I can't escape a feeling of horrible guilt when I just slap it there at the top of a well-constructed article and ruin the encyclopaedic look. :S


 * Plus, if you're interested in an article enough to care which continuity it's from, I'd think you'd be interested enough to scroll down to the bottom? Molten Scandium 21:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Breaxorz
True, but, there's nothing wrng with it. I've found myself getting side-tracked to a link to another article before finishing the one I'm reading. So, personally, I say the top is fine. It looks like a good way to start, and prevents cluelesseness. Any other opinions? <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Sonic Wikia Admin 21:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This about top or bottom? Banners go to the top, it's like wiki tradition :D. That and it helps researchers know they found the right articles they are looking for than stating "What is this crap" mid way through the article.--Mystic Monkey 20:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "I've found myself getting side-tracked to a link to another article before finishing the one I'm reading." - Good point, well made. Top it is! Molten Scandium 20:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Really? It was that easy? :P <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Sonic Wikia Admin 23:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Your point made a lot o' sense. Plus, I also have a secret plan to tweak the templates so they don't take up quite so much space and look a bit more encyclopaedic. Stay tuned! ;) Molten Scandium 23:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * My secret plan hasn't been working too well..... -_-; <font color="#BF00FF">LORD  <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#FFEF00">Sonic Wikia Admin 17:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

And I finally implement my secret plan. Voila:

Now, I know what you're thinking. "That's much worse! We've got a nice, clear, graphical banner already; why would you go BACKWARDS to something lame like that?". Well; the reason is as I stated above.

SPACE.

As it stands, these banners are big things, and in my wikiskin, at least, they tend to shunt the rest of the age downwards so you can't find what you were searching for without scrolling down, down, down. Also, a big block of colour in the head of the page kinda detracts from the encyclopedic tone a little, IMO. AND with the 'Past Featured Article' template we've got swimming around now (though not on Nazo, someone do something about that or give me Ops plzzzzz and I'll do it!!), we ARE running into the problem I prophecised at SLJ when he asked for a Knuckles Comics banner: multiple XBOX HUEG headers on the same page. Which is a no-no from a being-able-to-see-anything point of view.

So I'd like permission to change the continuity-classification templates to cut-down ones of this nature, and run with them for a week or two to see how we like 'em. Worst comes to the worst, we can always put the big banners back in by scraping them off the History pages. Molten Scandium 15:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm glad to see that this is garnering such heated intellectual debate. -_-
 * Well, since I'm apparently the only one with any feelings on the issue, I'MMA GONNA GO CHANGE DEM ALL NAO!! <font color="#FE2712">The Doctor... IS IN <font color="#000000">Molten <font color="#B8860B">Scandium  12:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

fanart
how about fanart could go at the very bottom and labeled as fanart so everyone knows its fanart? Illogic armada 20:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No. What's the point of doing so? Images are needed to depict things. How you're suggesting it, such actions wouldn't be needed.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  21:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

ok. screw my idea. youre the admin. Illogic armada 16:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * For the record, being an admin doesn't mean I'm the big cheese around here. You're idea's alright, but there's really no good point of having fanart in articles.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  16:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL, bureaucrat nao = big cheesy. - Molten Scandium 15:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Distilled 1337-ness
This is a walking advertisment for insomnia. Because if I'd have gone to sleep at a sensible time, I might have missed THIS:

<font color="#FF0000">WINNAR Molten Scandium 03:05, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Pity some of those articles are epic fail.--Mystic Monkey 21:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * ...well, then, perhaps you should get busy editing the fail out of them, Monkey? Molten Scandium 22:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Im on about such articles of pointless fancruft like SpongeBob, articles that were born to be doomed.--Mystic Monkey 23:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi! I'm Digipower22 (I'm a Digimon fan, but also likes Sonic and Pokemon) I have a fan character named Chance "Clawz" Cat. My friends, Digisapien and Ryushusupercat also made fanon chars. If you wanna see them, and some more of my creations, just click on the Clawz link and look at other pages at Sonic Fanon (yes there is a Sonic Fanon Wiki).

Digipower22 05:49, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * A Sonic Fanon Wiki? Now theres an interetsing idea. Though I still say some fan articles should be allowed on SNN, this could be useful for cleaning up SNN... a place for all the uneccisary fancruft!--Mystic Monkey 19:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

New Ideas

 * Idea #1: I've been thinking, and partially inspired by Alex, so, what do you guys think about a Celebration of the Month for the main page? We would have a section for something to celebrate for the month. (ie: March 2009 would be Black Knight month, where we would give a brief description of the game, and style the main page in an Authrian format.)
 * Idea #2: Another idea is User of the Month, where we would vote on one of the current top 10 users, as the most useful in the previous month. Then, the main page would give a brief description of the user, their time on SNN, and their future goals on SNN.
 * Idea #3: The next is, Fanart of the Month, where I would pick a nice tidbit of fanart for the month, and it would be used in a gallery on our mainpage, for the users to see.
 * Idea #4: YET another is, allowing you guys to have personal user Blogs, where you can use a page as your blog from a networking site, and allow other users to discuss you day/life.
 * I'm all for these ideas, and think it'd help keep SNN more lively, and enjoyable to our users, and possibly attract some new ones. So, go under the section for each, type Yes, or No, and why. All opinions are valid! <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 05:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Idea #1

 * Yes: Seems like a good idea.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  09:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No: We've already got "Featured article", which (what with its slow turnover) sorta fulfils the 'monthly' slot already. Besides, new stuff dosn't really come out so fast that we can 'celebrate' something novel each time. - Molten Scandium 13:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply: Actually, there's a difference. 'Featured Article', is bassically one of the best articles at the time, while this would have a special celebration theme, meaning, changing the blue border arounds us. As I said, for BK, I would change it to a stell-esque look, and have swords, such as Caliburn on it. And if we ca't get new game info, we can celebrate something from the comics, or another continuity. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 15:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh, dosn't sound that distinct to me. I think we'd do better to concentrate on getting the Featured Article as a real "thing" with real semi-frequent turnover, rather than spiralling off on other 'temporary themes' on a whim. - Molten Scandium 16:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ehm. You may have a point. Better wait for other's opinions. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 01:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Idea #2

 * Yes: That is a brillaint idea. Users will work harder to get their names for user of the month.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  09:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, BUT: To quote you, SLJ: Every month, I will chose the user, whom I think has done the most work, and the best work for the Wikia this month. That user will win an award, and will likely appear in the Featured Users section of the site. Please, no entering, I will select the users myself. This will begin in January 2009. . . . That never occured, did it? - Molten Scandium 13:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply: Urrrrrrmmmmm.....Yeah....I meant to get around to that, but, something with it kinda backfired, so....Yeah....You beat me there.... <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 15:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That wasn't a "No, don't do it". It was a "Yes, BUT". I think it's a great idea; just make sure you actually DO execute it. - Molten Scandium 16:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I know what you meant. But my new plans have fixed what went wrong last time. That's why it never happened... <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 01:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * hmmmm...this sounds like a good idea. It will encourage people to try their best at helping the wiki. --Nickno 01:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Idea #3

 * Maybe: Not really sure about this one. Some fanart is nice, but it convice users to upload more fanart so it's fanart of the month. That would probably lead to IPs putting the images in articles since there is so much opportnity.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  09:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe: I have a theory on this. I like the idea, but there is one point I have to add in. As admins, you should be able to cook up some code to block IPs from adding images to mainspace pages, something like a unmarked shield on the main pages which only allows experienced users to edit, reducing those IPs to userpages. I want the idea to go ahead, due to the expected level of talent of artists amongst the more experienced members of the Wikia. Flashfire212 10:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply:What, you mean like protect all of the pages from IPs? That'd never work. A code like that can't be made, unfortunately.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  10:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply: Nope. We aint got nothin'. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 15:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes: This can work as a method of bribing people to make good articles. A great number of folks seem to try to use this wiki as a dumping ground for their fan scrawls, which is a bad thing, but if we can say "Alright, we'll let your lame and derivative pictures have a place on the front page; but only if you impress us with the number and quality of edits you make, then we can harness people's artistic narcissism to get them to work for us. Graet success! - Molten Scandium 13:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply: .........****
 * Aight, then. I really didn't think that one through....So, nevermind this one.<font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 15:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Why is this crossed?! I maintain it's a great idea; the best one out of all of them so far. If there's a way of actually HARNESSING the currently-useless (in fact, currently detrimental, 'cos we have to spend time shifting stuff to Userspace) productivity of vain fanart artists, we should do it. Do it, I say! - Molten Scandium 16:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Really? It sounded like sarcasm...Uncrossed. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 01:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Misinterpretational lulz. While I do view the compulsive fanart posters with something like contempt, it remains a sad fact that they appear to account for a large proportion of the usership of this wiki. So we may as well use them, malodorous and vapid though they may be. Molten Scandium 03:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, this is a sad, true fact. Perhaps it could stop any fanart from leaking into mainspace. Though, it could also, at the same time, lead to worse problems.... <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 03:22, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Idea #4

 * Yes: Seems like an OK idea.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  09:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No: BORING. If I wanted to hear about people's tawdry lives, I'd be reading a copy of Celebrity Gossip Weekly, not editing a Sonic wiki. - Molten Scandium 13:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply: I've seen it work well on other Wikia's, and I think it would drive more users here, like, peoplewho want blogs, but aren't allowed for whatever reason. While, being here for a blog, they will likely end up editing a few articles first. If this doesn't work, I can set it so ony established users may have blogs. It could tailor to the happiness of our users, and happy users, means a happy Wiki. It'd also encourage users to work together, and help eachother on projects. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 15:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure ti would actually pan out as you describe, but whatever. I suppose I can always just not read them. - Molten Scandium 16:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This is true. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 01:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

New Featured Article
I think we need a new featured article. Omega is now getting a little boring. I just don't know what featured article there is to put on there...anything? S.H. 06:50 PM, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I feel the same way. But, Omega's the only article truly worthy of FA.....How about Sonic and the Black Knight? <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox
 * Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project Solaris Project.
 * Just a suggestion. I'm aware SLJ expressed misgivings some time ago; so if there's anything you think I could add to make it FA-worthy, please do tell! Molten Scandium 00:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ....Slrs suxorz
 * In all seriousness, I think it could use a brief bio on Mephiles, and Iblis, tell more about how it fights, etc. Also, more sources, and perhaps an image of Solaris. Do that, and.....IDK <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 00:58, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Ya know...I think Solaris Project would be a good new Featured Article, after reading some of it! But I don't think I can do anything with the homepage, since I'm not an administrator. Can I become one, and if so...how??? S.H. 07:01 PM, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to beat you down with the punch hammer, but, it requires alot of serious work. I could have FFF give you rollbacks, if you can prove to be a good user? <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 01:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL, I've made, like, 30 Zone articles from scratch, and I still can't get ops, Rainbowroad! 'Tis an arduous path indeed. :S
 * SLJ: Seriously? Isn't that what the Iblis, Mephiles, and Solaris pages are for? As I went to pains to mention in the disambiguation at the top of Solaris Project, the page is concerned with the Soleannean research organization - NOT with Solaris itself. Duplicating info like that would seem a waste of my time and the readers'... Molten Scandium 01:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a brief 2-3 sentences. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 01:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Weird. S.H. 07:29 PM, 07:30 PM, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ....Not....Really? <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 01:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * DONE. Now there's a redundant block of Mephiles / Iblis text sittin' there takin' up space and time. I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY. :P Molten Scandium 01:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice pun. And YES. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 01:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * See here, for my nomination of Sonic 191. Sorry, Molten. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 01:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've upgraded the FA. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 16:21, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My poor baby. ;_;<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  16:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * hehehehehe *Performs Judge Heather James evil fake smile* <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 16:04, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!1!!one!1!eleven!!1
 * *sniff* Molten Scandium 19:12, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Help the Sonic News Network!
I've just had an idea that would both help the SNN and possibly boost the number of editors. We make something similar to another idea I had. A topic on a Sonic forum that asks people if they can help us. They find out about the SNN, decide to come here, and we get help for the articles in the process. For example, Molten Scandium recently said he needed images of Metropolis for the article. I've seen one before, but can't remember where. I ask in the topic, a Sonic fan who knows where it is gets it, and there's a chance they look up the SNN and decide to join. What do you think?<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  12:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I wander around the Sonic Stadium with a prominent SNN link in my sig, but I fear to do any more since I've seen Flyboy Fox slap other people down for "advertising" on the boards.

Also, this is a question that's been buggin me for a while. WHY are there seperate wikis for Archie Sonic and... us? Half our Archie articles use the exact same media piped from said Archie wiki. Seems a grotesquely inefficient duplication of resources. Molten Scandium 14:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's mainly because Marvel and DC editor copies their articles and puts them here. As for why there is, it's because the creator, Thot Prad, asked for it. I know him. He has an incredible knowledge of Archie Sonic. The Archie Sonic Wiki uses it's own sourcing system and has different rules. He's a bloody good editor to say the least. He's kept that wiki in an incredibly good condition. Always kept on top of things, made sure no vandalsim was left in the articles. There's nothing stopping him or anybody from making another Sonic Wiki. I've been curious how you make them. I've often thought about making a Sonic X Wiki should I find out how.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  14:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And a heroic man the DC Editor is for his efforts, too. Don't make me look at you ANGRILY, FFF. As my userpage states, I'm a fervid champion of having all Sonic information on one site. Ve Must Have Ze Gleischaltung!!!
 * Anyway, in other news:


 * Front page? I've messaged Dreadknux to ask if he's got any fancier advertising banners, but (A) until he gets back to me, and (B) since I fully expect the answer "no", methinks this could serve for now. - Molten Scandium 15:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Molten is like SNN's failure, that ended up full of win. For this, I praise him.
 * Nice template, btw. I'll place it on the front page.
 * Anywho, I don't think that'll work too well, FFF. What I think we need to do is get popular fansites to place banners to SNN on the front page. Even place links on YouTube could help. Put links in our sigs on fourms. Stuff like that. Try to get the word out. But I guess we'll see...... <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 16:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems an ad is blocking some of it.... /: Wish I could get rid of those..... <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 16:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

SKJCOAAATR 1, Are you from London? 'Cause I wouldn't be able to go to this summer convention sonic thingy since it says, "LONDON, UK." I live in America. It seems like most of us do. S.H. 11:54 AM, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * SLJ lives in an outhouse / train station in Pennsylvania. Unlike me and FFF, who live on the Rainy Island and thus will be able to go for scant expense. Yay! ^^ Molten Scandium 17:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Is that really true??? S.H. 12:03 PM, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No it isn't.
 * I'm from Liverpool, England. London is quite far away from here, but maybe I'll ask my parents to take me, but I don't think they'd like it.
 * And Molten, please don't speak German to me again. I did some studying about what they did during the world wars and... well, I don't need to say anymore than that.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  18:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL, anti-Germanism. :D
 * And by "the Rainy Island" I did mean Britain. The last time I checked, that's where Liverpool is... OR IS IT? Molten Scandium 19:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, wait a minute: "Molten is like SNN's failure, that ended up full of win." I say, old bean, are you implying that I started out full of fail? ;_; Molten Scandium 19:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No. I'm not. I'm saying that you fail so hard, you win. Cheers.
 * Ay. I've lived in houses, dumps, mansions, holes, trailers, backyards, hills, outhouses, train stations, hotels, shacks, rundown abandoned places, stores, and schools. But enough of that. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 19:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not Anti-German. I just dislike the Nazis. The entire bloody world did during the early 1900s. If I met a German fella who was nice I'd like him, I wouldn't say "Sod off, Fritzy!" as soon as I lay my eyes on him. I've just read and seen a lot about what the Nazis did. Starving people in concentation camps. A mad doctor conducting God almighty experiments on people. Some of the stuff I've learned will surely haunt me to my grave.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  20:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I like how a topic about advertising became a topic about why we like /dislike Germans / Nazis. But, t'wev. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 20:22, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I just don't want people thinking I'm a racist when I'm not. I just have some... strong feelings towards the subject.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  20:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Ich werde versucht, alles auf Deutsch jetzt zu schreiben. LOLLEN! Molten Scandium 23:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * bitte nicht. Jeder muß sonst verstehen, was Sie sagen.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  00:34, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ...*Sigh* Language people. Use it in English, please....Aaaaannyways, the hell are you doing up so late, FFF? Isn't it, like, 1am for you? You're not known for being awake, and online at that time. I am. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 00:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm in the same time zone as 3-F's, y'know. I'm just a chronic insomniac. Hehehe. Molten Scandium 00:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's nice for you. I'm just nocturnal. Now, enough random talk, about nothing to do with advertising for SNN. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 01:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My mother let me stay up late because my birthday's tomorrow.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  07:10, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Can you tell us how old yr turning or are you keeping your age a secret like me? S.H. 10:11 AM, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll be turning 14 this Monday.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  16:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Sweet. This is all I'm telling you...I am a couple years younger than you. Yeah, you probably know how old I am now. S.H. 10:15 AM, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Depends on what age your refering to. If you mean my current you'd be 11, but if you mean my new you'd be 12.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  16:18, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

←Hey! I turned my sig on SSMB into an advertisement for SNN and I got a new user already.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  11:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * WELL. Evidently you're more e-popular than me. W_W Molten Scandium 12:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you typed me in Google? Anyway, it doesn't matter how popular you arem just how much you post. The secret is, post, post and post again!<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  13:07, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This is what I said.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  13:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

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 * Very nice, Triple F. I'm gonna make "We want you!"-esque thing, for Youtube, and get it placed on IGN, and other gaming fourms. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 16:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

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Don't worry, everyone! I saved the day. *smug*

But seriously. Does it work now in everyone's browser? It looks fine in mine, but it might be different for those of us with larger /smaller monitors... Molten Scandium 18:11, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not in mine. I used a Wikipedia/Monobook skin. Like this.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  18:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * MY EYES! ZE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!!
 * Hmm. Well, then. This raises problems. Molten Scandium 18:32, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me, in everything. Good job. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 16:02, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll be damned. Dreadknux DID get back to me, and it was in the affirmative. He alleges he might have some advertising banners ready in a couple 'o days.
 * What a nice chap. Don't know whether they'll FIT, or not, giving the misfortune we're still having with the one I made m'self, but we shall see, I guess. Molten Scandium 19:09, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Worst comes the worst, we'll re-size it. And by we, I mean you. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 00:46, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

You'd think someone would give me ops for all this grunt-work I'm doing... *mutter* *grumble*... Molten Scandium 01:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

IN OTHER NEWS, can anyone give me a count of the number of Eggman robots that are KNOWN to have gone rogue in the game continuity? I count (in chronological order): Any more, anyone? Molten Scandium 01:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * E-102 Gamma
 * Metal Sonic
 * E-123 Omega
 * Gemerl
 * ......You can consider one to be Emerl, or even Shadow? The whole E-Series kinda did...But those are all debatable. Same for SA-55/Ergo, or whatever his name is. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 01:20, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Everyone forgets Heavy and Bomb.  Myself 123  15:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait.........Who? lol jk <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 23:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Great Work!
I dropped in to take a nostalgic look around just now to see what's been up here since I've been gone, and I have to say, it looks excellent! The Archie comic articles and Solaris Project especially impressed me, as well as the increased number of contributors and contributions. And thanks for the 4 votes for February's user of the month despite having not done anything since January :P Seriously, though, I think it should be all of you who have kept this wiki going thriving. I'm still to busy to help much, but count me as a fan! ~ FerralMoonrender 06:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I had a whole big nice reply. Then I got a 404 error. Now I'm too lazy to retype it... -_-; <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCO <font color="#CD00CC">AAATR <font color="#009A63">4 6 8 15 16 23 42 108 305 316  17:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * On another topic; just so everyone knows I've done something to make Dimitri stop his bitching (LOL, jk):

F-pow. Get it pinned where it needs pinning. 'Cos I'm gonna go rustle up some none-shoddy Casino Night Zone pics instead. <font color="#FE2712">The Doctor... IS IN <font color="#000000">Molten <font color="#B8860B">Scandium  14:41, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Should we...
As we say we have 2 "sister wikis" should we add in the "Sonic Fanon" site. Most of you have checked it out, right? S.H. 05:47 PM, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll add it in a few minutes. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCO <font color="#CD00CC">AAATR <font color="#009A63">4 6 8 15 16 23 42 108 305 316  22:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

bizzare event
do you think its really strange that we only knew each other a week and we're already close friends or is it just me?--Sonicman0123456789 18:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)sonicman0123456789

Where is it?
SLJ, you said you'd put that thing in a few minutes. Oh well, it's your choice if you want it in there or not. --S.H. 00:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Slipped my mind. Sorry..... <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCO <font color="#CD00CC">AAATR <font color="#009A63">4 6 8 15 16 23 42 108 305 316  02:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikia
What's with the Wikia robot? I mean it praises people if they do any edit (including vandelism, uploading pics, talk pages and forums) and it's impersonating you admins! it should somthing like "talk to such n such" not pose as somone they're not!  Myself 123  21:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Bots will be bots.... /:
 * Unfortunatley, we (As in the admins (As in me, FFF, Molten, Mystic, Nav, Ferral, etc.)) have no control over Wikia the Bot. It's programmed by the "Higher Ups", as I call them. You know, the gang from Wikia Central (ie: Kirk, Angela, Avatar, etc.) to do such. Why they programmed it to impersonate admins, I'll never know. I guess to prevent "OMGZ I WENT TO ASK WIKIA BUT IT NEVER TOLD ME MY ANSWER", but in that case, as you pointed out, why not program it to say "For more information, go to 'so, and so'."? While I'm a little angered about this, I'll let it slide without complaints. Let's just keep quiet, and appreciate that they remembered we exist, or realised that we weren't blown to death years ago. <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCO <font color="#CD00CC">AAATR <font color="#009A63">4 6 8 15 16 23 42 108 305 316  21:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah i guess your right.  Myself 123  21:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Eclipse Cannon
Someone needs to fix the counting error at Exlipse Cannon. 1+1+1+3 does not equal 5! I don't know what it should be, but someone here does. I know it! ~Glow~ it equals 6...ur a number off--Artemiscat55 00:26, October 12, 2009 (UTC)no offence

New Wiki request
I've already contacted myself 123. He was the first to contact me, so I wasn't sure who else to go to. I was wondering about a new wiki request. It's a pure site for fan ideas and archives purely fan made. I even have a title- Galactic Alliance Classified Files: A Brainstorming Network of Shocking Proportions. Fans can get on and post articles about anything they want. Any new ideas, stories, characters, anything. It would of course all come from imagination. I know there are a lot of fans out there who are dying do share their ideas with other fans just as badly as myself. I even have an article ready to post. I would really like it.--Galactic Alliance Classified Files &quot;administrator&quot; 14:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There's already one like that. Well, there's two that I know of. one is exclusively Sonic, there's a link to it on the main page, and another called the Fanfiction Wiki.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  17:39, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

featured user
how do you vote for featured user?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  11:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think after the debacle last time, SLJ's just picking them by fiat. Because democracy sux! <font color="#FE2712">The Doctor... IS IN <font color="#000000">Molten <font color="#B8860B">Scandium  11:33, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

yay! i've been nominated for featured user! though it looks like Mystic gonna win. But check it out, i'm the only non-admin there. ;)  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

whoopa! lets sa go!
Now, is it just me, or is there a little bit too much Mario related stuff here? I think we should get rid of most of the articles (i think we should keep the Mario page) and when mario stuff is on articles, we put a link to either wikipedia or the Mario wiki.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  22:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I concur entirely. Why people upload this stuff to a Sonic Wiki is beyond me. <font color="#FE2712">The Doctor... IS IN <font color="#000000">Molten <font color="#B8860B">Scandium  22:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's like there's a Mario virus seeping it's way into this wiki. Also, at the top of the Mario page there should be somthing like "for more information, see somthing-or-other".  Myself  <font color="Black">123  22:22, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I am in the middle of writing an intricate piece of AoStH-themed fanfic at the moment, Myself, so I ain't gonna go round purging the Italian-ness off the wiki right now... but if you feel inquisatorial enough to go find the offending pieces and tag them with the tag, I shall get to them in due course. @_@ <font color="#FE2712">The Doctor... IS IN  <font color="#000000">Molten <font color="#B8860B">Scandium  22:28, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * K, i shall go forth, and if i can, i'll find a Mario wiki and link stuff to that.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  22:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I suggest a single page for Nintendo, including info about all Nintendo characters (perhaps in a list) with heavy links to Wikipedia or a specialist Nintendo/Mario wiki. On our wiki, pages such as Mario would redirect to this central Nintendo hub. We (i.e. you) would delete relevant (i.e. irrelevant) categories. What do you think? -- Supermorff 18:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * For now, I think we should delete anything non-Sonic, and bring them back at a later point. They can serve some relevance, seing as Sonic may've interacted with them at some point (SSBB, MASATOG, or MASATOWG.) It's something we should keep in the back of our minds, but not a major priority at the moment. Maybe once we get a good grip on things. For the few we have now, how about a template stating that they're from such-and-such series, and most of the information in the article has no relation to Sonic? <font color="#BF00FF"> SLJCO <font color="#CCFF00"> AAATR / <font color="#6050DC"> So <font color="#C71585"> ul  22:39, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The article content will make the tenuous-ness of the relationship clear, I would think?
 * I must say, my main objection to the Mario articles is not so much that they are irrelevant, but that they are very poorly made. Indeed, in many cases, they aren't irrelevant. Much as I might personally dislike the fact, Mario and Sonic do interact in officially-produced crossover, and the datum that "Tails has a rivalry with Yoshi in Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games" (which I seem to recall deleting yesterday, along with the entire Yoshi page) MIGHT actually be relevant for someone researching a fanfic - should anyone be so inclined to write Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games fanfiction. And as such, we probably should host it.
 * So I'll vote for something a little like SuperMoff's proposal, though perhaps not quite as "blanket" as Nintendo. Redirect everything Mario-related to a "Mario (series)" page, and within the "Mario (series)" page, let the Italian fanbois go into essentially however much detail they want. If it's only one page, we don't really have to worry about it that much, and we can always prune the thing as and when expedient to cull out blatantly non-Sonic info.
 * I'm somewhat biased in this sense, because I wrote the entire article, but take a look at Ulala. That, I think, is what we want to be aiming for regarding the level of info on non-canon characters. Most importantly, it's NEAT; formatted, with pictures and links, a brief description of Ulala as she relates to her universe, and then a section regarding her interaction with Sonic.
 * My 2c. <font color="#FE2712">The Doctor... IS IN <font color="#000000">Molten <font color="#B8860B">Scandium  00:55, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Or until we get more important priorities finished, we could redirect to either thier Wikipedia, r Mario Wiki articles? <font color="#BF00FF"> SLJCO <font color="#CCFF00"> AAATR / <font color="#6050DC"> So <font color="#C71585"> ul 

04:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If you create redirects to external sites, even other wikis, the software counts it as a Double Redirect, which is both confusing and irritating. For example, see Luigi, which someone should probably delete. -- Supermorff 07:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite. It seems redirects of this nature are not beloved by the wiki. The correct procedure will be to replace every instance of Luigi with Luigi, which does do it right. <font color="#FE2712">The Doctor... IS IN <font color="#000000">Molten <font color="#B8860B">Scandium  11:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Sidebar
Most of the links on the sidebar to this wiki don't go anywhere. Some of them have places that they should go, but instead they point to differently-named pages that don't exist. I can't edit it (and probably wouldn't understand the markup even if I could), so could an admin please have a look? It would be much appreciated.

Other people have noticed too: see the apparent vandalism on News Page:New Updates, which is only linked to from that sidebar. -- Supermorff 11:14, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If it would help, here's a quick list of some of the links that need fixing:

-- Supermorff 11:42, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "Sonic Characters > Sonic X Characters" --> Category:Sonic X characters
 * "Sonic Characters > Archie" --> Category:SatAM and Archie characters
 * "Sonic Characters > Fleetway" --> Category:Sonic the Comic characters
 * All of the characters under "Sonic Characters > Fleetway" should have (Sonic the Comic) as parentheses, rather than (Fleetway). For example, Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic the Comic) not Sonic the Hedgehog (Fleetway).
 * "Sonic Characters > Sonic Underground" --> Category:Sonic Underground characters
 * "Sonic Characters > Sonic Underground > Heroes > Aleena the Hedgehog" --> Queen Aleena the Hedgehog
 * "Sonic Characters > Adventures Of Sonic The Hedgehog" --> Category:Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog characters
 * "Sonic Characters > Adventures Of Sonic The Hedgehog > Villains > Dr. Robotnik (Adventures)" --> Doctor Ivo Robotnik (Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog)
 * "Categories" --> Special:Categories
 * "Categories > Characters" --> Category:Characters
 * I am well aware of the problem, but thanks for pointing it out, in-case I didn't know. ;) :P This is something that I'll be getting to in due time. Unfortunately, I'm rather busy at the moment. Once things clear up, I have big plans for SNN, and will be fixing things up as much as possible. <font color="#BF00FF"> SLJCO <font color="#CCFF00"> AAATR / <font color="#6050DC"> So <font color="#C71585"> ul  20:40, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Argh! Now someone has created Category:Sonic X Characters, despite the fact that we already have a decent category for that already. All because of a dead link from that sidebar. Can someone please delete this category and fix those links in the sidebar? Please? I can't do it myself because I'm not an admin (see how I worked that in there)? I've updated the list above so you know what needs fixing. -- Supermorff 11:28, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I've now fixed the links, although I haven't changed the structure of it. -- Supermorff 12:24, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Clock
Dose anyone know how to change time on the wikia clock? i've been a hour out since the clocks went forward and it's realy bugging me.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  00:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Same here. But nopes, I don't gots a clue. :( <font color="#FE2712">The Doctor... IS IN <font color="#000000">Molten <font color="#B8860B">Scandium  00:49, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Dose this mean i have to go to the heads at central wikia? Those people are scary compared to tiny 'ittle users like me, i bet they could eraze from existance with just a thought.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  00:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * * Phew* I'm not the only one who's scared of the "Superiors" :S
 * Sadly, I have no idea. Mine's been using military time on me since I joined. I've learned to cope. <font color="#BF00FF"> SLJCO <font color="#CCFF00"> AAATR <font color="#6050DC"> So <font color="#C71585"> ul  03:38, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What clock? You mean the one on the watchlists? Just go to my preferences and fix the clock under the time and date section.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  07:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Never thought of that. Thanks!  Myself  <font color="Black">123  11:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, the British lad! Always dealing with the obvious that I miss. I'll get him yet. <font color="#BF00FF"> SLJCO <font color="#CCFF00"> AAATR <font color="#6050DC"> So <font color="#C71585"> ul  14:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't bet on it, yer "yankee"!<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  16:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I hate the Yankees. Matter of fact, I hate baseball as a whole. I also hate all other sports. So there, you terrible brittish pirate. <font color="#BF00FF"> SLJCO <font color="#CCFF00"> AAATR <font color="#6050DC"> So <font color="#C71585"> ul  17:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Yarh! Avast ye landlubba! Err, i be a pirate! Umm, fire the starboard cannon me-hearties! Yarh!  Myself  <font color="Black">123  23:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sadly, this is the best internet pirate I've ever seen. <font color="#BF00FF"> SLJCO <font color="#CCFF00"> AAATR <font color="#6050DC"> So <font color="#C71585"> ul  23:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, i'm an awsome pirate.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  23:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

hos this for a warsong?

who be death? we be death! heres d'blades wot stop your breath! kye arr rakkachakka whummwhummwhumm!!! plunder good! slayin good! these d'blades wot shed your blood! kye arr rakkachakka whummwhummwhumm!!!

--Artemiscat55 00:30, October 12, 2009 (UTC)lord of the eight seas![yes, i know the ordinary layman only knows of seven]

Categories for fan articles
I don't mind fan characters having pages, as long as they are restricted to userspace. However, I do sometimes get annoyed when fan characters appear in categories along with canon articles. Does anyone else think that? Can I propose that we implement a rule that fan characters (which should be consigned to userspace anyway) cannot be included in categories? Or, if this is too strong, that they can only be included in special, set-aside categories (e.g. "Category:User characters" instead of "Category:Characters")? I'd love to get some feedback on this.

Also, for anyone that's interested, there's a discussion going on at Sonic News Network:Community Portal about over-categorization of characters. I'd love feedback on that as well. -- Supermorff 01:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Fan characters should VERY MUCH NOT appear in the real character categories. In fairness, I don't think we should have all these "Characters who can fly", "Characters with super speed" categories anyway, but SLJ started making them and I didn't want to get into a bureaucrat vs. bureaucrat fight...
 * BUT ENOUGH OF MY PROBLEMS. I'd go for a solution like Morffs, but maybe specify that userspace articles of any kind should have no categories at all. After all, this is an official info wiki, and even if it wasn't, no-one really needs to be able to sort / categorise fancharacters, or stuff that's in Userspace in general. Userspace is supposed to be like your own personal scrapbook; it's not supposed to be an Encyclopedia itself.
 * In the long-term, I think there are 2 solutions to the creep of Userspace / fancharacter mess. My preferred solution is to burn every single fanon article from the site, be it in Userspace or not. But I think I'd see mass rebellion, so the OTHER solution is that someone needs to write a "Fancharacters on the Sonic Wiki" style guide, explaining the kind of category / no category / not in mainspace / no links in mainspace / etc. rules we're laying down. Pin it to the front page, nice and publicly, and then just go tell people to read and obey. If they don't, baleet their hackneyed Fanchara article. <font color="#FE2712">The Doctor... IS IN  <font color="#000000">Molten <font color="#B8860B">Scandium  01:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well you wouldn't get a rebellion from me, but I do see what you're saying. Any such style guide (good idea, by the way) would also need pretty heavy links to the Sonic Fanon Wiki, or perhaps the Archie Sonic Fanon Wiki (or both). The ideal solution for everyone would be for the fanmade articles to still exist, just on those other wikis and not here. But that requires encouraging users to migrate, which is difficult.
 * Still, until someone does create a style guide like that (or, say, adds a few extra rules to Sonic News Network:About), do I have permission to edit userspace fan articles in order to remove categories? -- Supermorff 11:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If you hate yourself enough to delve into the seedy underbelly of the Userspace Fanon Article Mess, then certainly feel free to do so. You'd probably better pen a concise form of the above rationalisations in the edit summaries, though, or you'll attract an incensed mob of fancharacter creators roid-raging at you for tinkering with "their" Userspaces. <font color="#FE2712">The Doctor... IS IN <font color="#000000">Molten <font color="#B8860B">Scandium  15:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * there are probily some fan articles that were made by users who aen't even active around here anymore.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  15:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Granted, but it's not like the Internet is getting full and we need to create more space. As I said, for the sake of neatness, indiscriminate deletion is my preferred option, but at the same time I realise it's true that a Userspace fancharacter article quietly tucked away in a corner somewhere isn't hurting anyone. Maybe some day we can audit every page on the whole site and cull the stuff that's forgotten and unloved, but I have to confess that it's not high on my priority list.
 * But hey, if you feel like plumbing Userspace for the aforementioned forgotten pages, feel free to do so and mark 'em with delete templates. Every little helps! :) <font color="#FE2712">The Doctor... IS IN <font color="#000000">Molten <font color="#B8860B">Scandium  15:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Excellent. -- Supermorff 21:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. I've removed the categories from any fan article I could find (by searching through all the category subcats), and left a message on all of their talk pages. Would someone ask SLJ to take his user page out of Category:Males? -- Supermorff 22:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * With my mighty Ops powers I can (and have) screwed with his Userspace myself. Although I also note with consternation that he has a billion Userspace-specific (and even personalised) categories down at the bottom of his page... X_X <font color="#FE2712">The Doctor... IS IN <font color="#000000">Molten <font color="#B8860B">Scandium  23:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * That's great, thank you. -- Supermorff 11:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Wait a minute!
Why isn't my wiki in the news? It is a sister wiki after all.-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 10:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * He has a point. but as of now it is very small.-- Skylerthewasp  19:15, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Why is the underlying nowiki tags still in place? Tch.
Please remove the crap posted above. It is on the main page. It serves no purpose.--Launchballer 17:08, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Typo
On the main page, "There are 1,663 articles and growing since this wiki was founded in September 2005 ." it shouldn't have a space just before the fullstop, could someone fix that?--Launchballer 16:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

And i shall, thanks, nice catch.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  16:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that.--Launchballer 16:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Er, excuse me, someone has spelt deletion as deleteion. Can I suggest someone fixes that, please?--Launchballer 20:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * My mistake. Sorry. Getting on it now. <font color="#BF00FF"> SLJCO <font color="#CCFF00"> AAATR <font color="#6050DC"> So <font color="#C71585"> ul  21:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I ought to pore over it thoroughly to find any others.--Launchballer 17:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Feel free, though I don't believe that there are any others. <font color="#BF00FF"> SLJCO <font color="#CCFF00"> AAATR <font color="#6050DC"> So <font color="#C71585"> ul  21:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

A character of storys
I Need Help desideing which sonic the Hedgehog Character to do a Story on on Sonic Fanon.--Shadow night
 * Write a story about Metal Sonic's cybernetic epiphany to return to The Doctor's service after Sonic Heroes; while in the custody of Shadow and Omega. SORTED. <font color="#FE2712">The Doctor... IS IN <font color="#000000">Molten <font color="#B8860B">Scandium  02:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

History of SNN
Well, I was going about, and got curious about the history of this wiki. For example, when was this wiki started? By who? How much has it changed since then? What admins have come and gone? And questions like that. The problem is, there's nothing about it except past accounts and Talk Pages. I was just wondering about that.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round~ 00:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Internet Explorer tabs
I noticed the SNN logo which is next to all related sites tabs have been replace with a W. thought to let someone know incase they haven't noticed.--<font color="00 FF 7F">Mystic Monkey 22:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as I am aware, the icon has always been a big fat W, just not blue as it is at current.--The prefessional launchballer is The Duchy of Effenhauer Junior and is very resourceful. 06:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I remember it being the SNN logo til recently.--<font color="00 FF 7F">Mystic Monkey 17:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I'm pretty certain that it has always been a big fat W.--The prefessional launchballer is The Duchy of Effenhauer Junior and is very resourceful. 18:34, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, Mystic is right. All the Wiki's I use (Or rather lurk.) used to have their logo as their fav. icon. After one of Wikia's recent service downers, they all switched to a blue W, or a gold W. <font color="#BF00FF"> SLJCO <font color="#CCFF00"> AAATR <font color="#6050DC"> So <font color="#C71585"> ul  18:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Featured Wikia
May I strongly recommend putting our Wikia up for Featured Wikia?--The prefessional launchballer is The Duchy of Effenhauer Junior and is very resourceful. 16:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I like your thinking, but we should leave it until after the purge on 30 June. Not much longer. See if we can get 2000 content pages before then! -- Supermorff 16:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, god no. We're in terrible shape. I'd like to try, but I'd to try when we actaully have accurate info, get rid of all the cruft, fix all the template glitches, etc. We have a lot of work left.
 * Anywyas, I've begun the purge now, as I won't be around much for the next 2 weeks. <font color="#BF00FF"> SLJCO <font color="#CCFF00"> AAATR <font color="#6050DC"> So <font color="#C71585"> ul  18:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Help!
Hi, I'm CyberGirlFan, and I'm here to ask for some help. I've made a new wiki, called Sonic Card Maker Wiki. It's a place where you can make your own Sonic cards. I know there haven't really been any sonic card games, this wiki is just for a card game I've created in my spare time. I'll put the rules of the game up soon. Anyway, back to the point. I'm kinda new to wikia, so I'm gonna need some help; I don't know how to change the logo of the site, or put any images on to the wiki. Please give me some help, I'm desprate!--CyberGirlFan 10:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi CyberGirlFan. You can upload an image by visiting this page. If you upload a logo called Wiki.png, it will automatically become the wiki's logo. It should be no taller than 155 pixels. You can also get help with making one on the Logo Creation Wiki. Check out logo help and images help. You can also revisit the New Wiki Builder page and go through the steps there to add a logo. Angela (talk) 12:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

June?
[feeds birds]--Artemiscat55 00:33, October 12, 2009 (UTC)bird/cat fan

Comparisons
Is anyone else bothered by the amount of conparisons to other media there is in trivia sections? Most characters fit steryotypes such as the the free-spirited hero, the faithful sidekick, the tough and somtimes dumb but loyal friend, the rival and anti-hero, the ditzy love intress and the evil counterpart. it just seems pointless and irrevelivent to me.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  17:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep. Totally agree with that assessment. -- Supermorff 20:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Featured Article
Alright, this is rediculous. Silver the Hedgehog (Archie) has been the Featured Article for several months now! We really need to pick a new one and update. I know that the admins can't be on as much as they like, and have a lot of other things to take care of, but like I said before, it's just rediculous. Anyone else agree with me?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 22:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed
yep the featured article should be someone different, like, sonic, shadow, jet hawk or mario and sonic at the winter games.

GAME SAGE Jonathan Smith (JohnnyLightning)

Sonic Fan
I'm getting alittle annoyed with this whole sonic fan thing. All the ip does is make random little subpages, i'm all for subpages, but this is ridiculus! What does evryone else think about this?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  19:02, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

What!? I thought it was a User with a lot of IPs!!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 19:17, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

i don't know, the last time the User Sonic fan made an edit was October 18th. I don't know if that means he forgot his password, but i thought they were ways around that. Also, i did a shearch on all his subpages, and i found approximently  288  pages! THe anoyimous(?) ips don't seem to respond when you talk to them either. It just bugs me.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  19:27, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Well, maybe you could leave Sonic Fan a message saying to respond, or all the sub-pages will be deleted. If he, or one of the IPs respond, talk to them and see what's up. If not, time for some wide-spread deletion.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 19:31, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah good idea, i think it might even be possible for a mass delete or maybe with higher up powers at least. yeah i'll him a week, maybe two.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  19:39, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. Looking at his contributions, i don't think Sonic fan ever made a fan page. I think editing another users userspace is agaist the rules, i'll make sure though.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  19:46, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

You'll what him in a week or two? I don't understand that part. Also, if editing someone else's userspace is against the rules, could someone talk to LB?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 19:51, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Meant to say give him a week, are you sure it's allowed? It seems like a violation to that person's space here. Looking at the rules, it doesn't say you can't use another user's space, but it says that fan pages you made should be in your userpage.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:06, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Calm down LB, you've not been back long, also what you're doing is different you and i both know that.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:08, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

There's still the issue of large amount of userpages, most of the one's i have seen made are stubs, it's gotten to a ridiculus point, this is not the sonic fanon wiki.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:35, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's true. Of course, I think the reason people put stuff here (like me) is because 1: They like this Wiki, and 2: This place is able to keep fanon and real Sonic stuff seperate. Most people know where the line between real and fanon is around this wiki. The same can't be said for the SFW.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 20:40, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

'cus it might still delete them. And is there any point in doing that? they're just fan pages, they're not important or vital.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  21:02, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

can you show me film/tv series were those two characters are voiced by those two?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  21:17, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Both of those actors are great, but neither of them has ever voice acted for a Sonic character. -- Supermorff 16:10, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Sure you could, but since they will have no connection to Sonic canon why would you bother? If someone wants to make a user subpage saying "These are the voice actors I think would be appropriate for the following characters", I have no problem with it. But I don't see what purpose these stubs have. Do they interlink at all? Is there any evidence that whoever makes them doesn't just immediately forget they exist? -- Supermorff 16:21, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Also, editing someone else's user subspace may be allowed, but it isn't polite. -- Supermorff 16:22, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

If it were up to me, i'ld change that rule. But you're right about the pages, he does seem to forget they exist. To me it like a dumping ground for his ideas, not a way to show the world his creations.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  17:00, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think he'ld notice to be honest.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  17:34, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you just said, but it sounded scary. :s  Myself  <font color="Black">123  18:11, September 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * You know what, when you're ready for me to delete these articles, just let me know, 'kay? -- Supermorff 16:24, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Alright, do you know any way to delete multiple articles? or are we just gonna delete them 1 by 1?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  19:49, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

We need to talk!
You see, theres no point in saying "that canon, or no thats canon" every thing is canon. So you been making this wiki wrond. So please take your time to read this.

http://www.saturdaymorningsonic.com/features/continuity/ (forgot to put my sig name here, so I will do it now)--S_U_F 02:50, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

nah i don't need to read that, the way i see is that they're all set in different universes because they're all different.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  08:40, September 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * The wiki is not wrong. Everything listed on that page is taken to be canon on this wiki, but they are carefully separated by continuity. Each continuity has its own canon, including the games continuity, and thus the term is sometimes used to mean different things in different contexts. However, fan-made material is not canon at all, and thus is not permitted. (Incidentally, that article is worth a read.) -- Supermorff 16:06, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Oh boy, I feel dumb now. Someone told me that nonconon means fake... I have a wikia I made, Its a wiki that sets all the Sonic communitys together. Is it ok if I post it here?--S_U_F 02:47, September 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, that's a common misconception. You are of course allowed to post a link to your wiki on this talk page, or on your user page, or on a forum. But if you're asking whether we will list you as one of our affiliates, then I'm afraid the answer is probably no. But if it thrives and can function alongside this wiki without competing with it, then maybe eventually we will. -- Supermorff 16:44, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Serious Updating
Alright, I've said it before, I'll say it again: This place needs serious updating. The featured article of the month has been there for almost as long as I've been here, and the featured User poll has been open since June/July! I know that alot of people are busy, but we need to take care of this. Why can't we just look over the FA candidates quickly and pick one? As for the interview, what exactly does that involve? Heck, I might be able to take care of it myself! C'mon, this new admin is ready to contribute!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 04:06, September 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * It was really SLJ's pet project while he was around. You might try asking him and see if he deigns to answer. Or just work it out as you go along. Whatever works. -- Supermorff 16:27, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

"Deigns"? Don't know that word. Anyway, back on topic: The problem is I have no way to contact him. He's said it himself that he's ignored most messages on his Talk, and I can't contact him on YouTube because I don't have an account, and I'm not about to get one. Of course, FFF interviewed SLJ when he won, and he was the latest Featured User. Maybe I should go ask him.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 16:46, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry LB, if you want Featured User, you'll have to be voted in for it; you can't simply ask for it. I'll leave FFF a message to ask how it's done, see if I can interview Shelly, and then I'll change the poll myself. The question bit is gonna be trouble for me though.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 17:01, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Hold it LB. Neither you nor I know how the featured User nominations or interviews go, so we are gonna leave it be until FFF can help us straighten it out, alright?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 17:11, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but we want to try and avoid "****ing up" in the first place. The featured User polls affect a lot of people, and this is something we should try and get right the first time, which is why I asked FFF how to do it. Besides LB, if we change the poll before Shelly gets her Featured User interview, we could end up skipping her altogether by accident. She won by a landslide, so she deserves the interview that's been several months coming, alright?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 17:39, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Eh, she won't be able to do anything either. The Sonic Soundtest Wiki doesn't seem to hold Featured User polls, and the SSN hasn't had it's first Featured User yet. Face it LB, you-and judging from the Featured User list-and I are just gonna have to wait on updating the poll.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 17:51, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Aren't only admins allowed to edit the mainpage? How did Lanchballer get admin/beaurecrat rights? -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog  22:28, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Firstly: Shelly, LB was made an admin same time you were made bureaucrat and I was made Admin. Second: Now that we've taken care of the Featured User, the Featured Article, and the polls, isn't it about time we took down the "Summer of Sonic" thing? It's well past Summer, and well past August 29th. So, should I take it down?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 19:38, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, take it down immediately. And Kagi's right, LB. If the queen of England herself joined, she'd be up for vote just like the rest of us.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  19:57, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Alright then! Oh, and I want to talk about the redirect on the page, particularly Real-World and Objects, but I'll get into that after I remove the Summer of Sonic thing.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 20:04, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, now that that's been taken care of, on to the next subject. The images and redirects for Real-World and Objects are covered up by the "Check out the-" instructions, and I was wondering if we could re-align them. What I had in mind was 2 rows of 4, with a 3rd row of 2 aligned in the center. Now, if that's okay, how would I do it?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 20:23, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * No idea.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  22:32, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

......Then who should I ask?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 22:39, September 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Better or worse? -- Supermorff 18:26, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

BINGO!! That is exactly what I had in mind!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 18:30, September 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Cool. -- Supermorff 18:39, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

SFW Page #'s
You said over 500 the time has come and we have over 2,000! I actually made the 2,000th article twice because someone deleted one so I had to make another. We would like you to change the numbers please. CG Talk!

WTF!!?? How the hell are you even on here!? I banned your @$$!!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 19:48, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

New Name

 * Sonic News Network is not very catchy. I propose we change the name of the site to "Sonikipedia" or even "Dr. Robotnikipedia" heh, heh, pretty clever heh?  Sonictoast 14:50, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'd have to completely disagree with you. Sonic News Network is a completely original and very catchy name. I'd rather keep it as is.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 14:59, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I also disagree, although the "News" part of the name does seem a little like a misnomer. -- Supermorff 17:14, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Well, "Sonic News Network" just sounds right. "Sonic Network" just, doesn't.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 17:17, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not saying it's a bad name, I'm just saying that we don't have a lot of news here. (And I'm also not saying that we should start including news, because I don't think we should.) -- Supermorff 17:19, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that's not true. If anything, SLJ added more news than we had before. -- Supermorff 17:50, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

What you talkin' 'bout LB?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  17:53, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

I think "Sonic News Network" is just fine. And it's not really a literal name. I mean, sure we have tons of not only info, but news here. But that dosen't make us related to the press or anything. Our purpose is to store information on Sonic the Hedgehog, and the word "news" is just fine the way it is. -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog  00:12, October 8, 2009 (UTC) Kagi, did I just contradict everything I just said...?

Upcoming Product
Why "Project Needlemouse" isn't listed in the upcoming product list? Yagomus 10:51, October 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Project Needlemouse is not listed because it doesn't have an official release date or even an official name. And, Launch, he is not capable of changing it himself because the Main Page can only be edited by admins. -- Supermorff 11:00, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

About the recent releases
Why aren't you showing recent releases of August and September even though these months have already pased but they've never have shown it's release's yet, And also i added aritles to the new Archie comics so you should put links on them with the''' like now. -- User:Michaeldragon800

SLJCOAAATR 1 was supposed to add those when they were due September and October, but he hadn't been on in ages. So, sadly, those were never shown. We won't be missing any more though, you can be sure of that. -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog  22:01, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Yeeeeaaaahh, you can also blame me. I'm the one who updated the main page.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 22:10, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

That's a good thing, dude. -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog  22:19, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Well, it did need updating, but I forgot those details. P.S. Shelly I finally put up a section for the Roleplay on Adventure Zone: Crystal Beach: Testing the Metal.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 22:29, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Well i think the recent releases of August and September are Sonic Universe issue's 7 & 8, and Sonic the Hedgehog issue's 203 & 204, and Sonic Arcives Volume 11. -- User:Michaeldragon800

Sorry to ask but what are you guys waiting for?! Can somebody please update the recent releases please, I would do it myself but i can't sence i'm not an admin of this site *Sigh* -- User:Michaeldragon800

Article revamping
Okay, so, me and Kagimizu got into a sorta diagreement over the articles. So I was doing some extension to the Sonic article's page, detailing his involvement in the stories in far greater detail than what was there before. Kagimizu undid quite a bit of them, later pointing out that the main reason to do so was because the article is already "long enough" as it is. Now, that's where I disagree -- not only are the current summaries very childishly written, making them fit more onto here, but also, they are very cruddy in their wording. The most important part to me, though, is that they lack heavy amounts of detail.

Sure, summaries are nice, but why can't we delve deeper into the characters' involvement in their stories, portraying exactly what role they fulfill in the games they appear in? I always thought the goal of these wikis was to become the ultimate source for information on all things related to the subject at hand -- in this case, Sonic. So why not include their entire involvement in the games? Is there any real reason to keep the standard of the descriptions so low? Herman2000 22:22, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Interesting point. As a gut reaction, I agree with you. I disagree with Kagimizu - length of article should not be a reason to remove information. And history sections are something that these pages should have. And yet...
 * Taking Sonic as an example, my problem is this: Sonic doesn't really have a history in the games. Sure, stuff happens to him, but neither he nor his situation ever changes or evolves. Why chart a journey when the beginning and end point is exactly the same? More than that, though, is that no single game is particularly notable in Sonic's backstory. The game story is notable to the game, which is why each game page should have a highly detailed plot summary, but not to Sonic. Each (or, in any case, most) game deserves a mention in Sonic's page, probably more than we have currently, but scene-by-scene synopses probably are not necessary. But I don't really know. That's just my thoughts on the matter. -- Supermorff 08:55, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe I just feel this way for I see, despite many supposed plot-holes, the story as pretty consistent with itself at large, thus I don't see much of a problem of connecting most stories to the character to have one consistent flow of events listed.

I was also thinking that it'd perhaps be better to just list a character's involvement in the story (regardless of how things start or end) -- see, if someone wants to know just what this character did in the story disregarding the others, he or she could just go to the article of the character to see what went down, or so I think, anyway. Just more food for thought. Herman2000 14:27, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Uhh, the reason I undid the edits was because I wasn't sure about Herman's article revamping, and wanted to discuss it first! Who do you think told Herman to bring the subject up right here!?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 16:25, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Uhh, I don't know who "He" is, but I'm just gonna assume you're talking about Fairfieldfencer. And I don't think that's what he meant. How about we get Fairfeildfencer's opinion on this before we do anything.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 16:35, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

So, uh... still no news from F³'s side, I presume? Herman2000 12:26, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Archiving?
I've noticed a few "talk" pages get increasingly long. This one in particular.

Is there any way to archive talk pages, and "clean" these current ones up, with a link to the archived page, so that current talk page can load faster?

I think that this talk page has increased to... 130 KB long, and that's without all the colors and pictures that had to load as well.

That's just me though, I think that archiving talk pages would make things a bit easier, and nicer for the eyes (and scrolling fingers), what does anyone else say to that though?

User-697. Nothing less. Maybe more. 00:56, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Are you kidding me? I've been wanting to get the Archive Tool installed for about a month now! Unfortunately, no one around here knows how to install it.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 00:59, November 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Or, hey, here's a novel idea: you could try doing it the old fashioned way, without using the fancy archive tool. -- Supermorff 18:22, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

The Archive Tool isn't all that special. All that it does is allow Users to clear out there Talk Page, while still preserving the stuff written on your Talk Page.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 17:54, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't that same kind of archival be achieved by simply creating a new article, like, "Talk:[article in question]/Archive" and then cutting and pasting the text from the article into the archive-page or some such thing along those lines? Herman2000 18:01, November 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, which is what I told Kagi to do the last time he suggested this to me on my talk page. -- Supermorff 18:08, November 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks like you Moved the entire talk page to User talk:Launchballer/Archive (by using the 'Change Title?' function), then manually moved parts back that you wanted on the main talk page. -- Supermorff 19:27, November 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Good lord, why? -- Supermorff 20:10, November 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * I have just archived discussions from this page that concluded prior to 31 December 2008. Cut/paste. Wasn't that hard. -- Supermorff 21:00, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Background
Okay, 1. I can't find anything mentioning when or how the change was made, so who made it? 2. Seeing it in use, I feel this background is a little, iffy. I mean, the blue just seems way too pale, and I'm thinking we might need smaller symbols.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 00:55, November 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * I changed it. I disagree with you about the paleness, which I think is fine, although I did wonder briefly if I should increase the saturation a tad. You may have a point about the size of the symbols, but I did shrink them a bit before loading them for just that reason. I didn't want to make them too small. In any event, I'm going to leave it as is for a while. If you - and anyone else - still feel it needs changing after a few days, then we can discuss it and try to work something out. -- Supermorff 08:44, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, 1. Launchballer, this doesn't have a damn thing to deal with your stupid burger! 2. I just think it could be a bit closer to Sonic's color.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 15:23, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Are you suggesting it should be closer to Sonic's colour just for the sake of being closer to Sonic's colour, or do you think that would actually look better? I'm hesitant to change it again because I quite like it the way it is, but if enough people dislike it or want me to change it I will do so. -- Supermorff 17:22, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I want it to be changed to closer to Sonic's color for both reasons. It would fit the Sonic News Network color pattern, and I think it would look better. You could make a test pattern though to see how it would look.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 20:19, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Right shade of blue, but keep the Sonic the same color.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 21:20, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

No. Make the Sonic heads the same color as the new background.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 21:29, November 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Launch, I see what you've tried to do, making heads for each of the four different hedgehogs, but that would look horrible as a background! We should definitely stick to blue and white only - no other hedgehogs. Give me a couple of days and when I have a free moment I will get a darker and more saturated version of the picture uploaded for you to look at. -- Supermorff 08:58, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

I say keep it as it is.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  18:25, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

I say just make the color the same shade of blue that Sonic is! LB, the first version of your background had just the shade of blue I was thinking, but don't make the heads a bunch of different colors: Make them the same shade of blue. That's what I was thinking.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 19:03, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Well, against my better judgement I've had a go at changing the colours a bit. Have a look at File:Background example.jpg now, and see if that's the right shade. -- Supermorff 20:55, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's really close.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 21:17, November 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Close enough? And, yes, leaving a message on the site notice is a good idea. -- Supermorff 21:18, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Homepage
I think that just for Thanksgiving and any upcoming holidays, we should make and upload some pictures mirroring the upcoming holiday. For example: For Thanksgiving, Sonic could be surrounded by thousands of chili dogs and for Valentine's Day, we could have a romantic picture of Sonic and Amy. (I don't care if your a SonicXAmy fan or not) So what do you guys think? Sonic & Scrab  Master


 * Sure we did it for Halloween, that is of course if you can find suitable pics.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  18:28, November 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * May I say something of that idea S&SM had?-- Sharna here!  Chat!   Sonarna!  01:21, November 12, 2009 (UTC)