Talk:Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood/Archive 1

it stated that the game takes place 2 years after sonic defeated eggman, does this mean everyone is now 2 years older? Example: Sonic-17, Tails-10, Knuckles-18, Amy-14, Cream-8, Rouge-20,etc.?--Sonicobbsessed 02:53, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I do remember it saying that the game takes place several years later, in several places, but I don't recall seeing an exact number. But yes, every charachter's canonical age would be slightly older. 75.24.107.127 05:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

WE NEED AN IMAGE OF SHADE!Enzeru 18:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

And how do we know Sally's in it?Enzeru 18:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

does it really matter? YOU GUYES GIVE FAN-CHARACTER ARTICALS AND STATE UN-CITED INFO IN REAL ARTICALS. Why shouldn't you mess this one up too? User:Pik kid 18:12, 16 June 2008

I am still not convinced at all these cameos, as the wiki is now just making stuff up and I don't like it! RayxCreamMaker 12:00 P.M., July 22 2008 (UTC)

Cream and Omega are optional characters and i think it should be mentioned on this page.  Myself 123  14:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Opinions? Thoughts? Discuss!
To those who have atleast played half of it, whats your thoughts on the game? I know it's made by BioWare along with Sega but I got mixed feelings for it best described "Wierd".--Mystic Monkey 17:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I liked it, but i thought it was too easy.  Myself 123  17:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Im stuck on Kron, I am just too weak to go on so I am considering resetting the game. I believe the game is wierd because BioWare took many risks to the natual order of Sonics life. Mystic Monkey


 * Relax, the Kron are hard to kill, i ran away from them most of the time. It's gets easier when you talk to Foreman Krag.  Myself 123  16:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I beat it, and think it's kick-awesome! The combat system is nearly flawless, the graphics are great, and the story, while simple, is better than most critics make it out to be. Shade is just A-W-E-S-O-M-E awesome, and the subplot with Amy is a nice touch :D My only real gripe is the music... 75.24.107.127 05:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I say theres some flaw! It's a bit too fast paced! If it allows the use of items on KO characters then it would help make it more managable, like being able to heal and revive fallen friends in advance.--Mystic Monkey 17:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There's little you can do about that when it comes to TBC.  Myself 123  17:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

It's a good thing that Sonic Chronicles and the Sonic the Hedgehog games are not like how the relation between the Legend of Spyro and Spyro the dragon. or the messed up (The 2 new ones) Crash Bandicoot games. Sonic Chronicles isn't destroying its other counterpart, while the other 2 are.Please tell me what you think! Sk55 11:34, December 28 2008 (UTC)

I think this game should be retconned to make it more canon to the series. The story can be the same just location changed like Central City be replaced with Springyard Town or Starlight City, Metropolis replaced with Scrap Brain Zone. Why these changes? Well it bothers me how Green Hill Zone is not part of South Island anymore in Chronicles. I think South Island itself converted into RPG location would work. I know it's a bit too late now to revamp it. Another thing that should change is the combat system. I just hate it and find it flawed.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 13:16, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Vector?
On Shade's source as playable, it mentions Vector. Also, Cream's playable, I just don't have a link.Nintendofan146 18:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

He's not playable, but he dose appear in the game.  Myself 123  14:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Cream the Rabbit
has been confirmed to be playable. It's on the Wikipedia version of this page, and she's even appeared in a video.Fair field fencer F F F  20:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

More Info
More info can be found here. I'd post it myself, but don't have the rights to edit the article.--Hawki 07:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't have the ability to edit the article, but the game was chosen as the best DS game at Leipzig recently, as seen here. Could be put in a "Trivia" or "reception" game I guess.--Hawki 23:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Release Date
I have confirmation on a release date for Europe. The game will be released on September 26th in the continent, as stated here. As before, I don't have the ability to edit the article due to a user block, so...--Hawki 13:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

New Info from rpgamer's website
Enzeru 23:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC) '''I found news that there will be a limited edition being distributed at Nintendo World on Sept. 28. It features creators autographs and exclusive chao. PLEASE SOMEONE PUT THIS UP! If you don't believe me check for yourselves.'''

Eggman Confirmed?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/KnucklesChao/EGGMAN.jpg Lol. He's so replacing Shadow on my team.E123Brawler 03:52, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Saw it. I lost all hope, for both, Bioware, ad now you. Eggman is just supossed to be an extra in games like Riders. What happened to G-Mel, anyway? --Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  Soul  04:27, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh, I didn't like that he was playable. I was hoping for Chaos. But it's better than forgetting about him once the new bad guys take over his role. Plus, I'm greatful it's not Silver or some newbie character. Plus, Eggman is a pretty cool character. Now I finally have someone cool enough to replace Shadow on my team. Still though. Where's Chaos? Metal Sonic? Gemerl? Even Vector would've done it for me.E123Brawler 04:53, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * NO NEED FOR SILVER HATE! Tell Venom I AM fliping. I'm too lazy to wait 10 hours to get into my account to do so. Thanks. Anyways, I don't like Eggman being playable. G-Mel was supossed to be the final PC. G-MEL!!!! I would've taken Vector, Espio, Mighty, Fang, Charmy, Silver, Blaze, Chaos, Tikal, Gamma, even Marine, instead! Metal can be a boss. I don't settle for villians being PC's. It's one thing for anti-heroes, but, atual villians? No. Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  Soul  04:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Dam you Bioware! Emerl was like a son i don't yet have and was taken away from me, i was thrilled when he reappeared and became good and ive been waiting for his return, and now he's been replaced by a fat "genius"? you owe me 1 yellow, black and white robot Bioware.Myself 123 20:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * All I can say... is SHIT!Enzeru 12:28, 9 September 2008 (UTC) Oh, and WHY THE F*** IS THE PAGE UNEDITABLE?!
 * On the plus side with a name like Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood we should get a sequel, if they don't put G-mel in that, i won't buy it.Myself 123 16:55, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh man, anyone but Eggman please. I am sorry, but I would even prefer Silver over Eggman.

Eggman is playable. He joins the team.--Mystic Monkey 20:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * He isn't actually that bad of a character. Especially with his bomb dropping "Bombardment" POW move. A bit pathetic with his basic attacks, but his POW moves make up for it. If you do that move perfectly you can do up to 70 points worth of damge on all your enemies.Fair field fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  08:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

andd i love 'sabitiooge'(sabatoge).The Chosen One of Fire 19:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Insider Info
New info on the game from Bioware's insider series, as seen here. Gives info on classes.--Hawki 12:21, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Guess what I got! e.e
I just got the game, I can help out with this article now. Anyone else got it?--Mystic Monkey 16:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Leaked copy from Austria? -.- I gotta wait 6 more fricking days...Anyways, the page is locked, and even if it weren't you'd need to source the info with reliable sources. <font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal <font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#800080">Soul 18:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, well it would help to know where I put my BioWare code, I checked the site it provided but no code input.--Mystic Monkey 21:19, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's being released today in the uk, so im gonna get it.Myself 123 07:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I need to play it more before I can contribute any worthy information, so far whats interesting, atleast what I think so unreliable info, is that you can alter outcomes of some events, like hint with Amy SonAmy or find out if Rouge likes Knuckles, or choose a "Smarmy" reply like telling Knuckles how awsome a guardian he is.--Mystic Monkey 10:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * i've managed to complete it, but since most peopple don't have it yet, i don't want to give to much away.Myself 123 17:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Still haven't completed it, but got into deep enough to be suprise how much of a leap BioWare took from Segas ideas. Can't spoil though but you get the idea when it comes to Angel Island. that mission is hard, but I am out of supplies.--Mystic Monkey 20:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That was hard, i let him kill me so i could restart it with full hp and pp and don't bother with the other two.86.149.81.125 14:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Im now stranded on Kron, the opponents are WAY too difficult for me and cannot progress at all. I may have to restart.--Mystic Monkey 11:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Try using Big's Froggy Poison attack, along with Omega's Beam Cannon and a little of Shadow's Atomic Stike. I just gave you the best attack team I can think of. Good luck.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  14:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And if you don't have Omega use Amy so she can team up with Sonic and use, I forget what it's called, but I know it's Sonic who has it and there's a little blue and pink symbol for that particular move.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  14:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's embarrasing to be beatend by monsters with giant balls, especially when they beat me to death with there balls! But thanks for advice.--Mystic Monkey 17:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This team is foolproof.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Im proceeding now, though Omega did most the work.--Mystic Monkey 16:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

←You can have faith in Omega. He's my fav character and one of the most powerful in Chronicles.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  17:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah but, Shade's echidna rush is realy powerful.  Myself 123  17:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Most definitely. But that requires Knuckles meaning you need to give up two spaces for the team you need. And sometimes you need specific characters to get past obstacles in certain areas and it takes up room. With Omega you get a few good and powerful attacks with just one character.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  17:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

sonamy move's called fastball. sonic spinballs and amy 'golfs' him at an opponent with a whole sh##load of power.The Chosen One of Fire 19:39, 14 March 2009 (UTC) I can't get the sonic+amy subplot cut scene and I have played it 3 times.

We're free!
the page is fanily editable everyone!Myself 123 16:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Character List
Im not complaining but why is Super Sonic and Super Ix on the list? there not even characters and the game doesnt call Ix super Ix, and as for the box at the bottom why is tikal and chaos on the list, chaos is referenced but doesnt appear in the game at all and neither does tikal. the box should have only charcters that actually appear in the game [User:Behellmorph|Behellmorph]] 17:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Super Sonic was the 12th PC. Ix used the powers of the Chaos Emeralds, therefore, Super Ix. Chaos Emeralds Energies = Super Form
 * Tikal, Chaos, etc. are there because they were referenced, and are heavily connected the games events. <font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal <font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#800080">Soul 22:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

No, Ix absorbed power from the Nocturne.Nintendofan146 19:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe it was the Emeralds, wasn't it? At any rate, it was still a super form. <font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal <font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#800080">Soul 19:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought he got his power from the master emerlad.  Myself 123  08:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've just completed the game (again) and i have to say, i'm confused. Ix dose say that he got his power from the Nocturnus, but when he transforms the master emerald disappers, then Sonic and Tails mention that he uses the Chaos emeralds.  Myself 123  20:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Features
Hasn't this been the Feature article long enough?--Mystic Monkey 20:43, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think E-123 Omega could be featured. I've asked the creator of the article if he'd like the honor of nominating it.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  21:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Automated transfer of Problem Report #16499
The following message was left by Dark Dedede via PR #16499 on 2008-12-21 01:27:59 UTC

In the Sonic Chronicles Characters Caption, Cheese is reffered as Chesse.

Items
I played the game about 10 times and yet can't find the N'rrgal module, fire ring, and scanner mentioned in the guide I bought for this game. Any ideas about where they are?--Shadow34 00:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I also am on about my 5th playthrough. The fire ring I've never seen or heard of, although I do have the otherwise complete set of Earth, Ice, Lightning, Water, and Wind, so it seems it should be in there somewhere. I think the scanner and the N'rrgal module are quest items, aren't they? The scanner is what Tails assembles to find Eggman, and the N'rrgal module is what you use to attract the Nocturnus pirates? - Molten Scandium 00:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It was N'rrgal Sweet wasn't it? unless it's a random item each playthrough.  Myself 123  01:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's always N'rrgal Sweat... but that sort of comes in a... module-like container? - Molten Scandium 01:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There should be a fire ring. I've never heard or seen of it. Does it say anything about how you obtain it? Maybe you have to complete the game a certain amount of times in order to unlock it.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  10:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The N'rrgal Module was supposed to boost running speed in flee and chase sequences, and the scanner apparently "completely displays map in current area". There should be a N'rrgal module because all the other aliens get an associated item (Kron Hammer, Zoah Shield, Voxai Teleporter), and there is a ring for every element, except fire. Perhaps they can only be gotten by hacking.--Shadow34 21:57, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Article request
An article called Items in Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood would be nice, with items, equipment and the such. I would start it myself but don't know all the items. Plus my friend hasn't returned my NDS yet so I can't start the article with what I know.--<font color="00FF69">Mystic Monkey  Sez 23:25, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Something forgotten

 * Hey, you also forgot to mention that Sonic mention the Chili Dogs at the final conversation!

Also, in this game Sonic only fight against Eggman robots, but not against him In the final conversation Omega says "STUPID MEATBALLS, I'M OUT OF HERE!" if you don´t quit the credits Zeezlon March 22 2009 7:05 p.m. (UTC)

Sonic Unleashed?!? I THINK NOT!!
NO WHERE is it even implied that this game is after Sonic Unleashed. Sure, Sonic went on a solo adventure before this game, but TAILS WAS WITH HIM TOO in Sonic Unleahsed, not making it a solo adventure. And Amy was there too. Why would Tails miss him in the adventure when he flew him around the whole time? He wouldn't. -Anonymous contributor
 * I have fixed such. <font color="#BF00FF"> SLJCO <font color="#CCFF00"> AAATR <font color="#6050DC"> So <font color="#C71585"> ul  22:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Shade
How come Shade is in the Mystic Ruins in the games intro? You can never go there with Shade...--Shadow34 22:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

There was also a screenshot of a team of 3 flying around Central City, which, you would have 4 by then. These screenshots are beta, as mentioned in the article. They were never removed from the intro.Pinkolol-A proud Sonic Fan 22:08, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Timeline
There is no proof that sonic chronicles is set two years in the future. Originaly, it was set two years ahead, but that idea phased out. Now it's just set some time after as mentioned in game. So if anyone changes somone's age two years or mentions they're older in chronicles. YOU'RE WRONG!!!. I hope that's cleared everything up.  Myself <font color="Black">123  21:42, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Wrong. During one of the discusses in the game, Sonic says something like "It makes two years Eggman has not be seen, are you sure he's really behind all this ?" or something like that (I can't remember well, it makes a long time I played the game). Or at least it's like that in the European ver.. Koopalmier 20:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I've played the game several times and sonic doesn't mention that it's been two years since he defeated Eggman just some time, some time, some time.  Myself <font color="Black">123  15:57, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

I would like to point out, it was never mentioned when Dr. Eggman was last seen. Just that it has been 2 years since he was last seen. As this game was released after Sonic Rivals 2 then perhaps 2 years after that. But since he has appeared in Sonic Unleashed which, by IRL time, is the same year then that would mean 2 years after that, or after that, or after that. But if you want to be technical as a few Sonic fans believe the main Sonic games and the handheld Sonic games are seperate canons, besides Sonic the Hedgehog 4 (which takes place after Sonic & Knuckles) and the NDS versions of Colours and Generations, there has been no original handheld Sonic game of yet.--<font color="00FF69">Mystic Monkey  Sez 23:38, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Release date mistake
There's a big error in the article. It's said that the JAP. version came out in April. But it's wrong, as it will come out in August. But I can't edit that, could someone else do it please ? Koopalmier 20:29, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, FierceFieldFencer... FieldFencerFierce... Fencer Fierce Field... Oh, well, the guy who edited the release date. But I forgot to precise it: it will come out in Japan in August, 6. And the game will be called "Sonic Chronicles: Invaders from the Dark Dimension (ソニッククロニクル 闇次元からの侵略者). Koopalmier 23:20, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

The sequel
does anyone know about the sequel?

Nothing more than that they're already writing it.

-SalaComMander


 * I've heard lots of rumors that because Bioware was taken over by EA, they aren't making a sequel. But, you never know!--Shadow34 23:48, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are they making a sequel or not ?! If so, whats going to be the title ? (:
 * ArchAngelUK (SoE employee) has said in various discussions that chances are very low for a sequel happening. http://bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=111099#111099 - He makes a statement about it here. Vector-Espio-Anton-Madd-Fangirl 22:17, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * ArchAngelUK (SoE employee) has said in various discussions that chances are very low for a sequel happening. http://bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=111099#111099 - He makes a statement about it here. Vector-Espio-Anton-Madd-Fangirl 22:17, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * ArchAngelUK (SoE employee) has said in various discussions that chances are very low for a sequel happening. http://bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=111099#111099 - He makes a statement about it here. Vector-Espio-Anton-Madd-Fangirl 22:17, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to add that to the article. -- Supermorff 17:18, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

If they are making a sequel, I bet it would be for the Nintendo 3DS Sonamy4ever2912 03:01, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Smart A**es
Has anyone noticed that everyone in this game is a smart a**? It's hilarious!

Even BIG, the dumba**, is a smart a**!

Big: "I don't know, Froggy, I just don't know."

Sonic: "Are you talking to me?"

Big: "Is your name Froggy? No, your name is Sonic. So-nic!"

-SalaComMander


 * Ah ha ha ha! But that instance is the only one I'm aware of.--Shadow34 23:29, May 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Big is generally pretty cool in this game. I always liked "Help, I think my eyes are broken! ... No wait, they're just closed." -- Supermorff 11:03, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I liked when he suggested "group hug" as a tactic.--Shadow34 23:25, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Those were awesome instances! Big will always be at the top of my list for funny quotes! of course i like it when Shadow finds Omega.


 * And don't forget "We could give Big some ice cream!"-- Shadow34 23:52, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Artwork Similarities?
Is it just me, or does the artwork have a noticeable similarity to the Sonic X art style?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:34, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

I saw so too.Pinkolol-A proud Sonic Fan 22:11, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Conversation with Amy
Has anyone else had that final conversation with Amy? i have played the game several times and have only done it on my first playthrough. - Magnitude99

Shouldn't this be called a spin-off game?
I looked this game up on wikipedia, and it said "Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood is a spin-off game developed by BioWare". Shouldn't it be moved? It's not related to the main series anyway. Take a look at SatBK and SatSR(Sonic and the Black Knight and Sonic and the Secret Rings) They are adventure games, but I don't believe it is a main series game. can we please find someway to put it in the template "spinoff games" and remove it from "main series games" because I don't believe that it is a main series game(they are still foiling Eggmans plans and are not crashing, are they?) So please understand. Pinkolol-A proud Sonic Fan 21:57, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Just becuse Wikipedia says that it's a spinoff game doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Wikipedia isn't exactly the most truthful source of information on the web, and IDT any Bioware or SEGA employee has yet to annnounce that Sonic Chronicles has absolutely no relations to the main series and is therefore non-canon. We can't really call this game a spinoff unless we know with absolute certainty that it's not related to the main series. Also, here's a good question: What is the main series you're refering to? Every new Sonic game that is released always has a completely different plot and setting, and show little to no ties to any previous stories at all, and from what I can see Sonic Chronicles is no different. If you ask me there really is no "main series" because the games haven't been following a set storyline. Lloyd the Cat "I hog that hedgehate!"  22:10, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Because it is diverted into a different TIMELINE, than the "main series games" i'm talking about. Sonic Unleashed to Colours, takes place two years in between(in storyline) and Advance 3 to Rush, looks like the storyline followed through. Chronicles however, takes place YEARS after the main series, which means they could be older, and that would be the end of the series, but its not. Besides, the game was developed by bioware, and it's not a company sega use often(they have used them once, they have used Dimps many times) The games follow a chain of events(handheld and consoles take different paths) and when one steps out of the normal timeline, it's a spin-off. Right? Pinkolol-A proud Sonic Fan 22:28, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

"Chronicles however, takes place YEARS after the main series, which means they could be older, and that would be the end of the series, but its not."

And how do you know this?

"Besides, the game was developed by bioware, and it's not a company sega use often(they have used them once, they have used Dimps many times)"

What does Bioware's currently single partnership with SEGA have to do with Sonic Chronicles being a spinoff title?

"The games follow a chain of events(handheld and consoles take different paths) and when one steps out of the normal timeline, it's a spin-off. Right?"

Did you not read my comment in which I said that every new Sonic title that's released takes a completely different setting and timeline? I don't see how you're even able to make a timeline between Sonic Unleashed and Sonic Colors. It's difficult, if not impossible to tell when all the games take place in relation to one another, so again, what main series are you refering to when there's clearly no main storyline being followed at all? Lloyd the Cat  "I hog that hedgehate!"  22:53, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Sonic and the Black Knight and Sonic and the Secret Rings are adventure games like this one, but they aren't related to the main series consoles, are they? It's the style of gameplay. I don't mean storyline, I mean gameplay. The gameplay(because it is an RPG) is different, therefore, a spin-off. Some other games make to be spinoffs becuase they aren't in the style of gameplay that we're usually used to(hold right, jump) is different. in the two console games I mentioned, they aren't related to the main series games at all(because their gameplay is different). I do not mean storyline, plot of the games, I mean the gameplay style is different from the main games. try to understand. -Pinkolol-A proud Sonic Fan 09:31, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oh and about the timeline between SC and SU, it's easy. in the end of Sonic Unleashed, Tails and Sonic were hovering and running together, respectively, and in the CGI opening of Sonic Colours, it is the same, only that Tails is to the RIGHT of Sonic, not the left, but still hovering. And the gameplay between the 2 games(consoles) were almost exactly the same(only change was with the wisps) but overall, pretty much the same. Pinkolol-A proud Sonic Fan 09:44, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

"Sonic and the Black Knight and Sonic and the Secret Rings are adventure games like this one, but they aren't related to the main series consoles, are they?"

Obviously, because they have their own title called the "story book series".

"It's the style of gameplay. I don't mean storyline, I mean gameplay. The gameplay(because it is an RPG) is different, therefore, a spin-off. Some other games make to be spinoffs becuase they aren't in the style of gameplay that we're usually used to(hold right, jump) is different. in the two console games I mentioned, they aren't related to the main series games at all(because their gameplay is different). I do not mean storyline, plot of the games, I mean the gameplay style is different from the main games. try to understand."

Your reasoning does not make any sense whatsoever. By your logic, then Sonic Adventure and every game that came after it can all be considered spin-offs because they don't follow the gameplay style that the series started out with, which is "go right to beat the level". The Sonic Rush series, Advance series, and the DS version of Sonic Colors could also be referred to as "spin-offs" because they don't follow the gameplay style "that we're used to" to the letter, even if it is in 2D. Hell, you could say that every Resident Evil game that comes after Code Veronica is a spin-off because the series adopted a new form of gameplay in Resident Evil 4, and was therefore not the gameplay we were familiar with back then, even though Resident Evil 4 is canon and part of the "main series" of Resident Evil. Do you see how flawed your arguement is? Gameplay is not a deciding factor in determining whether or not a game belonging to a certain series is a spin-off, and Sonic is far from an exception.

"Oh and about the timeline between SC and SU, it's easy. in the end of Sonic Unleashed, Tails and Sonic were hovering and running together, respectively, and in the CGI opening of Sonic Colours, it is the same, only that Tails is to the RIGHT of Sonic, not the left, but still hovering."

... So, by your logic, Sonic Colors is a sequel to Sonic Unleashed and follow the same timeline... just because Sonic and Tails run and fly together in both games... No offense, but I really think you need to look at what you say before you post it, because this argument is extremely weak and makes no sense.

"And the gameplay between the 2 games(consoles) were almost exactly the same(only change was with the wisps) but overall, pretty much the same."

Do I need to repeat myself? Lloyd the Cat "I hog that hedgehate!"  15:19, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

"Hold right to beat the level" for the 2d games(like the first games, the rush(even though it had boost), advance series and the ds version of colours), 3d controlling for the 3d games(like Adventure, Heroes, Unleashed). That is the main series i'm referring to. The M&S series are obviously their own series, and they are spinoffs. Sonic and Sega all stars racing is a racing game, yet again, a spinoff, so is the riders series, and others.

It's connected by that timeline, i don't mean the same story between the two games.(if this ends up wrong, whoops).

in Chronicles, you play in Sonic's first RPG, which is definetely different than the two styles of gameplay we're used to above. The other 2d games are still following a kind of concept similiar to the old games, you hold right, jump sometimes, with >insert new feature here< added in. The 3d games you control Sonic's free movement instead of being restricted to a straight line, no matter what the game is. Adventure, Heroes, and other 3d games are main series because they still involve you running around a level trying to find the end(even though we've got another dimension here, and the controls are different). Look at that template for spinoff games. Do you see adventure games?(besides what i mentioned above) do you see what are meant to be spin-offs? All different genres of games, fighting, racing, pinball even. RPG also falls into that category, because it's sonic's first and ONLY RPG, even the riders series is in there because they are in the RACING genre, they may have adventure modes, but sometimes(sometimes) its the genre. 2d platforming, adventure, 3d platforming... that sort of thing. The gameplay of those games in that template are different than those that I call main series. The racing games there, the fighting ones, the superstars series and again the storybook series I mentioned above. The "main series" doesn't have to follow a storyline similarity, (only sometimes) gameplay and genre. im, in fact, going to check the "main series" genres to fact it out. -Pinkolol16(I really need to fix my signature).

I checked the generes. here were my results:

2D platformers

Sonic Rush Adventure, Sonic Rush, Sonic Colours(ds), Sonic Advance, Sonic Advance 2, Sonic Advance 3, Sonic the Hedgehog(1991), Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Sonic the Hedgehog 3, Sonic & Knuckles,

3D Platformers

Sonic Heroes, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Colours(Wii)...

The games I mentioned are all main series games. there are others, but Chronicles is the one unique game that is different from all of those. the "handheld main series" template also has games that have the same kind of concept as I mentioned earlier(the "hold right to the end of a level, jump, with >insert new feature< added in") even Sonic Battle is there, even though it is a fighting game(but it as a whole is leaning more toward its "adventure mode"). Sonic Chronicles should not be there. In fact, I have not even seen a reference anywhere else that it is not a spin-off. wouldn't you agree? other people(like my real friend, who understands)?-Pinkolol16


 * ""Hold right to beat the level" for the 2d games(like the first games, the rush(even though it had boost), advance series and the ds version of colours), 3d controlling for the 3d games(like Adventure, Heroes, Unleashed). That is the main series i'm referring to. The M&S series are obviously their own series, and they are spinoffs. Sonic and Sega all stars racing is a racing game, yet again, a spinoff, so is the riders series, and others."

So I was right about howgameplay seems to determine whether a game is a spinoff for you. You have a lot to learn about how video game series works, my friend.

"It's connected by that timeline, i don't mean the same story between the two games.(if this ends up wrong, whoops)."

At this point I don't think you're even reading half of the stuff I'm saying to you. I already told you the flaws about how you're making a timeline between Sonic Unleashed and Colors, therefore acknowledging that you're using some kind of "timeline" to connect to the two games together (even though your reasoning is rather weak).

"in Chronicles, you play in Sonic's first RPG, which is definetely different than the two styles of gameplay we're used to above."

Still doesn't automatically make the game a spin-off.

"The other 2d games are still following a kind of concept similiar to the old games, you hold right, jump sometimes, with >insert new feature here< added in."

But they aren't ecatly following the style of the older games to the letter now, are they? They're introducing new ideas and concepts, therefore changing the gameplay that "we're all used to".

"The 3d games you control Sonic's free movement instead of being restricted to a straight line, no matter what the game is. Adventure, Heroes, and other 3d games are main series because they still involve you running around a level trying to find the end(even though we've got another dimension here, and the controls are different)."

What are you talking about? Where are you getting all these ideas about all the Sonic games that have different gameplay methods being part of some alternate universe?

"Look at that template for spinoff games. Do you see adventure games?(besides what i mentioned above) do you see what are meant to be spin-offs?"

But as far as your logic is concerned, the Adventure games are spin=offs because they tried out new styles of gameplay that "we were not familiar with".

"All different genres of games, fighting, racing, pinball even. RPG also falls into that category, because it's sonic's first and ONLY RPG, even the riders series is in there because they are in the RACING genre, they may have adventure modes, but sometimes(sometimes) its the genre."

You don't know whether Sonic Chronicles is going to be the only Sonic RPG ever made, so don't try to place your opinions and predictions as arguments because they aren't helping you in the slightest. And again, all I'm seeing you do is preach how every bloody Sonic game that doesn't have the gameplay methods that you say belong to the "main series" are spin-off games. Would anybody truly consider Sonic Adventure 2 to be a spin-off game just because of it's gameplay?

"2d platforming, adventure, 3d platforming... that sort of thing. The gameplay of those games in that template are different than those that I call main series."

So you're using your own opinions on what you think are the "main series" as justification to try place Sonic Chronicles as a spin-off game? Just because it doesn't follow your gameplay preferences?

"I checked the generes. here were my results:

2D platformers

Sonic Rush Adventure, Sonic Rush, Sonic Colours(ds), Sonic Advance, Sonic Advance 2, Sonic Advance 3, Sonic the Hedgehog(1991), Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Sonic the Hedgehog 3, Sonic & Knuckles,

3D Platformers

Sonic Heroes, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Colours(Wii)...

The games I mentioned are all main series games. there are others, but Chronicles is the one unique game that is different from all of those."

I don't see Sonic Unleashed in there. Does that mean that it's not a part of the main series, then? Then that means that it can't be a part of the same timeline as Sonic Colors because, as far as your logic is concerned, the spin-off games take place in an alternate universe in order to show it being non-canon. And let me guess, I'm going to expect more of you preaching how Sonic Chronicles is non-canon because it's an RPG?

"the "handheld main series" template also has games that have the same kind of concept as I mentioned earlier(the "hold right to the end of a level, jump, with >insert new feature< added in") even Sonic Battle is there, even though it is a fighting game(but it as a whole is leaning more toward its "adventure mode"). Sonic Chronicles should not be there."

And why the hell not? Just because you say it doesn't?

"In fact, I have not even seen a reference anywhere else that it is not a spin-off. wouldn't you agree? other people(like my real friend, who understands)?"

I don't agree because I highly doubt that every single place on the web agrees with your views, along with Wikipedia's, on Sonic Chronicles being a spin-off title that has no relation to the main series. Know what? I already got my points across, so I'll just let other people tell you what they think of your arguments. I've said all that I needed to say on this issue. Lloyd the Cat "I hog that hedgehate!"  23:12, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

but Chronicles bring us several aspects that are important to the canon just like the fact that there are other echidnas existing besides knuckles and that is important to the canon

Ediskrad327 23:14, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

@Ed: Which one of us are you replying to? Lloyd the Cat "I hog that hedgehate!"  23:16, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

pinnklol

Ediskrad327 23:33, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ah. And there's one more thing I'd like to say: A spin-off is something, such as a product, that is derived from something larger and more or less unrelated; a byproduct. If Sonic Chronocles is indeed a complete spin-off game, then you're right, it is not related to the main series since it's just a byproduct. However, we have yet to hear any official source say that everything about the game is non-canon, so even if it's not related to the main series due to gameplay it can still be related to it through other means if it is decided to make at least some of Sonic Chronicles' events canon. In other words, there's still the possibity that Sonoc Chronicles could still be accepted as part of the main series as far as it's story (or timeline, if you prefer) goes, so ultimately whether or not Sonic Chronicles is an absolutely true spin-off game is debatable at best. With that said, I'll be off. Lloyd the Cat "I hog that hedgehate!"  23:40, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

I now understand what you were trying to say, im sorry, i screwed up. I'd better stay far away from SNN in the future, ive already had 2 arguments, i'd better leave. I am an idiot for screwing up i admit it*bangs head on wall without saying ow*-Pinkolol16

Hold on, hold on. Who said anything about you having to leave SNN just because of a couple arguements? And I'm confused, what exactly did you screw up? Lloyd the Cat "I hog that hedgehate!"  20:20, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

The fact that I didn't know anything, and seeing the information I just thought so... plus, i'm prone to arguments. i'm gonna stay right away from editing anything except my user page and ONLY if i've found useful information. -Pinkolol16

Look, even I make mistakes from time to time, it's a part of life. And learning from those mistakes is how we mature and gain knowledge, but I think that you're being a tad hard on yourself. You don't have to refrain yourself from editing other pages besides your User page just because a couple discussions didn't go well for you. Lloyd the Cat "I hog that hedgehate!"  22:30, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Weirdest thing of the characters' sprites
Any noticed that the characters' sprites have big eyes? CesarTeamHYRO 01:43, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

You mean...like the characters do? PyroGothNerd (talk) 19:01, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Questions
Does the power struggle with Shadow ever happen? And I looked and it said Sonic can get into an arguement with Tails. And isn't there a way we can argue for a sequel?Mike Gilbert 18:39, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Errors vs Trivia
The trivia section is too big. I think the pieces of trivia that are considered"errors" should be given a seperate section for clarification. PyroGothNerd (talk) 18:59, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

I don't see a problem as a matter of fact just do it if someone doesn't agree talk it over with them and make it clear what your doing in the first place.

Because You probably won't read it otherwise
I'm pretty sure that Sonic battle was actually, technically an RPG... you walked around and it had a storyline, and you could do the equivalent of equip battle moves to your character. which makes this game the second Sonic RPG, not the first.

More Information
Is Sonic Chronicles series in hiatus or cancelled?

Ksandershw (talk) 12:49, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Hey! I've been playing Sonic Chronicles for a while, and a weird glitch just happened. Right before the final boss, Knuckles is supposed to say ''This is useless! There are no exits here!'' outside, but he doesn't, and if I go into the room that the robot he just fought was in, he'll say it, and nothing will happen a few lines after that. I'm really confused about what I'm supposed to do. Has this happened to anyone else?

Kassie Macabre (talk) 19:49, July 27, 2016 (UTC)

Alternate character pages
Since this game was confirmed to happen in an alternate universe, why do we not have alternate character pages for each character that appeared in the game (e.g. a "Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood") like we do with every other AU version of a character?Doc Nef (talk) 09:36, September 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * Because the Sonic canon is in constant flux. As you may have noticed, Sonic Team will change what they deem canon on a whim, meaning what is not canon today may be canon tomorrow. The same goes for all the games: Sonic Team only deem which game is canon when they need it to be canon (I have read this black on white). As such, Chronicles' situation is no different from the others.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 12:25, September 8, 2016 (UTC)

Themes
Could all of the music tracks in the game (except two of the enemy battle themes) be remixed versions of themes from previous Sonic the Hedgehog games. I went onto a site reading an article of the music in Sonic Chronicles and it appears that some didn't recognize a few, such as the music for Green Hill Zone, Zoah Colony, Voxai Colony Beta and Voxai Colony Alpha. These tracks are hard to listen to hear the similarities, maybe because the synthesizer the composers used for the game was corrupted and they didn't have some of the instruments needed to play the song.

For Green Hill Zone, the Zone's music could be Green Grove Zone Act 1's music from Sonic 3D Blast (Sega Saturn version). It looks like some parts were cut out. If you listen very carefully to Green Grove Zone's music and then Green Hill Zone's, there is actually a similarity, although very unnoticeable.

For Zoah Colony, the colony's music is Metallic Madness Present from Sonic the Hedgehog CD. It is hard, but easier than the other three.

For Voxai Colony Beta and Voxai Colony Alpha, their music could be Rusty Ruin Zone Act 1's music from Sonic 3D Blast (Sega Genesis version) with a slower tempo and wrong notes. However, Voxai Colony Beta's music is a remix of the title theme. In Voxai Colony Beta's music it is more noticeable in the beginning part, while in Voxai Colony Alpha's it is more noticeable after the middle part.

I don't know if this is all true, but it's anyone's guess. Ramboa (talk) 22:28, September 24, 2017 (UTC)

Misreading the title and imagining a crossover
Being a fan of real time strategy games and Sonic games, I misinterpreted the title as a Sonic crossover with Command & Conquer. That idea could have made a better game than this one, in my opinion. But knowing EA, who owns Bioware, they would probably mess it up or cancel it during development. I apologize if this is off-topic. I am trying to have fun and be creative because you know what will happen to me if I don't cheer up. I already told you.

Ranger-X, who is struggling with depression 01:23, May 2, 2018 (UTC)