User talk:Ultrasonic9000/Archive 2

Done
Done! -- 19:37, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Edits to Chaos Control
The Chaos Emeralds must only be within some undefined proximity to draw power from - this has been proven in both Super transformations and Black Doom's 7 Emerald full power Chaos Control of the Black Comet (where he never makes contract with even a single Emerald). During the course of Shadow's game, Shadow always has at least one Emerald on him until they are stolen by Black Doom - therefore there was always an Emerald nearby when Doom used Chaos Control so you have no proof that Doom can use it without Emeralds. And in SA2 after Knuckles stopped the Chaos Emeralds (in his own words), Sonic & Shadow used the Emeralds to go Super while Knuckles did nothing but stand in awe - therefore you cannot prove that the Emeralds could not be used for Chaos Control at that time.

It is true that Chaos Control is an ability of the character as it is defined as "the ability to use the Chaos Emeralds to warp time and space" and not "the ability of the Chaos Emeralds to warp time and space". But you have no proof that Devil Doom and the Biolizard (also FinalHazard) can use this ability without Chaos Emeralds - and the proof for Shadow is iffy because of the definition which has not only never been expanded or changed but has been invoked by Shadow in Sonic06 and in Shadow's profile in the Rivals games and on Sonic Channel. I am not challenging the inclusion of the inconsistency for Shadow (in fact, I'm the one who originally wrote about the inconsistency) - but it is improper and unprofessional to speculate on this zero Emerald thing - it could very well be just Sonic Team not wanting to program 2 versions of Shadow: one with an Emerald for Chaos Control and one with no Emerald and no Chaos Control - neither of us can prove anything either way. Sonic saiyan (talk) 17:20, August 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response. You do seem quite open minded - though I'd strongly disagree about me being closed minded. The thing is that in a fictional universe, I feel the creator's own words and explanations are the most reliable source for the canon. Therefore what is said in the profiles and cutscenes is the most reliable info we have. And in a professional encyclopedia, accuracy is more important than describing things that have not been explained thoroughly in canon, and would thus require speculation; I am against the speculation. I am fine pointing out the seeming inconsistency, but you want to go farther and explain something that is not explained at all and which contradicts those words and explanations.


 * Furthermore the claim of required possession of an Emerald to draw its power does not have any proof either - although no proof exists either way (outside of Sonic X), Occam's razor (choosing the theory with the least assumptions) would bend against this. Your theory says that the Emerald alters itself so that it only supplies power to the one who possesses or controls it, but a simpler theory is that it just keeps doing its usual thing. It was established as far back as the original Sonic game that the Emeralds give energy to all living things and that they altered the entirety of South Island with their power (while they themselves existed in torrisons in time and space). Further more radars have been created that can detect the power emanating from them - how would your theory account for being able to track an Emerald by its power when its power is all going to the one who possesses and controls it? In comparison, a magnet does not stop affecting another magnet within its vicinity only because 2 different people are holding them. So Doom using Shadow's Emeralds is not a stretch at all.


 * As for Biolizard's organ, it does not prove the Liz can use Chaos Control without Emeralds either. The text states that the organ merely "starts" the Chaos Control. This can be likened to how a spark plug starts a car engine - the spark plug can only turn over an engine if it ignites gasoline (which releases the energy stored within the gas) - without gasoline, the spark plug's spark does nothing; similarly the Liz's organ may only be the spark plug, the gasoline may be the gasoline, and the gas energy is the Chaos Emerald energy. There are other ways of comparing it, but the fact that it could be this way means every one of them (including mine) is speculation - which I am against adding). And you have no proof that Knuckles restored the Emeralds for Sonic and Shadow, only speculation - the scene you described was not depicted, talked about, or even hinted at; in fact Knuckles only said stop the Chaos Emeralds, this can be read narrowly as stop what they are doing currently (powering the ARK).


 * I kind of dislike fan speculated possibilities to explain things not explained in canon. And this one I feel is too controversial to include it because it contradicts the creators' explanations they put into both profiles and cutscenes. Pointing out the inconsistency for Shadow is more than enough - at least it is not as bad as Wikipedia where even that would be too much. Sonic saiyan (talk) 19:46, August 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi again. Sorry to dig this back up but I still do not agree with the phrases "Shadow the Hedgehog can already use Chaos Control naturally" and "This suggests that Chaos Control can be used, at least in Shadow's case, without an Chaos Emerald." I find just telling the reader the fact that CC has appeared to have been used without a known or visible Emerald and then let the reader draw their own conclusions is preferable - rather than suggest editor speculation to direct their conclusions. Sonic saiyan (talk) 18:59, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Doesn't the phrase that was originally there which I wrote years ago, "Although cutscenes, bios in manuals and websites in the Sonic the Hedgehog series often claim activating Chaos Control requires a Chaos Emerald, Shadow the Hedgehog has appeared to use it a few times both in gameplay and during cutscenes without a visible Chaos Emerald" already do that? I feel like this phrase is enough to both draw attention to the fact while not suggesting conclusions for the readers. Why is more necessary? Sonic saiyan (talk) 19:46, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry it takes so long to respond sometimes. However, saying directly that Shadow has such an ability as to use Chaos Control without Emeralds is a conclusion that has never been confirmed by Sonic Team - that is why it is an inconsistency: Sonic Team keeps defining Chaos Control as "the ability to use [the power of] the Chaos Emeralds to warp time and space." Like I said above, they've done this in most of recent games and profiles to include Shadow, including 06, Rivals, and Sonic Channel. Therefore we should not say directly that Shadow can use Chaos Control without Emeralds - just state that it appeared that he has done this and that it is contradicting what Sonic Team said and let the reader judge for themselves. The way it was before is the best way to write it. Sonic saiyan (talk) 18:00, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Sorry, i didn't notice the edit you made. I didn't want you to "yield", just to understand. You do seem like a good, open-minded editor; and I would like you to be a friend rather than enemy (like you said). Sonic saiyan (talk) 18:05, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sir Perciva's Soul Surge
Out of the three different things you posted, she most nearly said Flames Of Kilekion. And don't worry about it. Glad to help. ★Jake the Hedgehog  The Ultimate Apprentice★  16:43, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for making the Rose Typhoon page I've considered making one my self for a while now.Sonamyfan666 (talk) 22:34, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Hyper Mode
I think it may considered a some sort of minor transformation, perhaps even the Super Shields could be considered that too. Both things grant the user some added perks and both are obtained through Chaos Energy.  Myself  123  22:43, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Mobius Encyclopaedia
Good work on the Brotherhood of Guardians article. Are you aware that we're currently in discussion with Mobius Encyclopaedia about the possibility of a merger? I'm just asking because, in the event that it happens (and it might not, and even if it does it might not happen soon), we may have to go over all of the Archie pages again to merge them properly. I'm not saying that your work isn't appreciated, because it is and it needs doing, just that it might be better to hold off on big edits to the Archie pages until we know what's going to happen. Just a heads up. -- Supermorff (talk) 14:03, August 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay then. I appreciate your candour. -- Supermorff (talk) 14:27, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Time Break and Speed Break
Try notifying an admin as soon as possible about the deletion. -- Shadowunleashed13 "I am...none of me..."   13:03, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll get back to that now, had to eat some lunch. 16:12, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

You did a great job on the World of Arabian Nights page. Congratulations! -- Shadowunleashed13 "I am...none of me..."   23:19, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know much about SaSR, but I'll try to help. -- Shadowunleashed13 "I am...none of me..."   23:32, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure really. Chaos Nightmare was a wanted article (i.e, it was in a red link) and it is also a Chaos Power. All the individual healing techniques are very generic and everything is covered in the Healing article

But that's just my opinion -- 'Murphyshane - 熱! Don't click here '  21:56, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox skills
Sounds fine to me. Go ahead. -- Supermorff (talk) 15:47, August 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh okay. I've added a new field called "moves". -- Supermorff (talk) 16:30, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Cartomancy?
What the Hades does that mean?Sonamyfan666 the Amy Rose Expert #1 (talk) 16:02, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Okay well sense that is such a werid term you might want to put in parnitheses what that means beside it. I'll be honest I know a lot of werid words and I didn't know that one.Sonamyfan666 the Amy Rose Expert #1 (talk) 16:08, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Removing citations during editing
Just a reminder, but when you are editing infoboxes and there are citations for certain items, please do not remove those citations. Those are there to cite a particular item to a specific source, to validate it. Removing those citations invalidates the item, which without a source for it, could be fanon. Please be mindful of citations when you're editing and try to avoid removing them. They are there for a reason. Thanks.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 08:02, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Crocodile Bite
Hello Ultrasonic9000, thanks for getting in touch. To be honest, I don't remember this move ever officially being called "Crocodile Bite", in fact, it was never given a name at all. However, as Vector used it in Sonic Heroes (when alone), Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Free Riders (with the S-Item), I thought it deserved to be mentioned. His powerful jaws are mentioned under the Skill section though, so I leave it up to you if you want to delete it. By the way, I never heard of the term Donut Dash, either.

Vector T.C. (talk) 18:10, September 2, 2012 (UTC)Vector T.C.

Hey there
Hey right know I'm filling out a form to be requested to be givien adminstartor powers I was wondering if you would leave a mesage saying wether or not you think I would be good at it sense were on stable terms here.Sonamyfan666 the Amy Rose Expert #1 (talk) 20:15, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

You told me so
Merger isn't going ahead, as I said in the site discussion. -- Supermorff (talk) 16:14, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I may have been a bit quick. I'll let you get it in a form you like first. -- Supermorff (talk) 17:36, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to try it out on a couple of pages to see if it works. I'm surprised you haven't gone further, actually. You don't need "nickname", and has there ever been an official height and weight for a transformation? I'm not sure I like the vibrant yellow colour. Maybe desaturate it a bit? -- Supermorff (talk) 08:16, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Charmy Picture
I ripped the artwork from the Charmy Digital Trading Card from Stampii. Happy to see you like it!

Vector T.C. (talk) 16:27, September 28, 2012 (UTC)Vector T.C.

Rollback
Over the last few days, several users have encouraged me to run for rollback again. Since you are a very active and trustworthy user, I'd like to ask you: Is this the wisest thing to do? --19:36, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'll consider it. --19:46, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Just so you know, I took your advice to heart and this happened. --18:11, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Just saying...it helped. -- Shadowunleashed13  "I am...none of me..."   18:15, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Good Job!
Hey Ultra! I've noticed how much work you've been putting into the Black Knight pages and wanted to say you're doing great! I'm in a really good mood so i thought i'd do that. Keep up the good work buddy! ^_^

Thanks. We're both close to our next milestone in editting. Only 77 more for you and 21 more for me. :P

Filenames
Please be aware that, per our art policy, uploaded images must not have filenames that start with numbers. -- Supermorff (talk) 09:26, October 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's okay. You might want to check the policy page, because there are a couple of other restrictions on filenames. -- Supermorff (talk) 18:58, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yes I am sure,SEGA retro,and I am glad to be here.E-124 MKII (talk) 19:47, October 13, 2012 (UTC)MKII

Well I got it in 2005.Now it's been,murdured.

I forget what I said.But the Sonic Boost Pic is new.E-124 MKII (talk) 20:40, October 13, 2012 (UTC)MKII

Their gone now.I did find them in 2004,then in 2005,the were taken down.

Soul Surges
Thanks for moving them back, and don't worry about it. No harm done. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes. -- Supermorff (talk) 07:39, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Alien species
Because all that info is on other pages and it doesn't need to be duplicated. -- Supermorff (talk) 11:22, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

CRAP!!!!!E-124 MKII (talk) 23:32, October 18, 2012 (UTC)MKII

Espio picture
Hey Ultrasonic9000, nice to hear from you.

I'm aware of Espio being in need of a more high-quality version of his modern render and I'd really like to upload one for the Wiki, but the truth is I can't find one right now. The best one I can find is from the Digital Trading Cards, but unfortunately that one cuts off his head as well as his shoes, making it unusable.

As soon as I find a better version of this artwork, I will rip and upload it, but in the meantime I can't help you.

What I could offer you, though, is trying to get Espio's statue from Sonic Generations, but I don't think this would look much better than what we have right now. If you stumble across the Espio artwork before me and need someone to rip it, let me know!

Greetings,

Vector T.C. (talk) 13:53, October 19, 2012 (UTC)Vector T.C.

So I found it in 2004!I know it came out in 2009!I lost it in 2005!E-124 MKII (talk) 03:45, October 20, 2012 (UTC)MKII

Hey Ultrasonic9000,

I finally found and ripped the latest Espio artwork. Hope you like it! Vector T.C. (talk) 12:17, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Hm..I'm not even sure Omega has a modern render. Will keep an eye open, though.Vector T.C. (talk) 20:42, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, you're right. The render appears on here, too:

How strange that we've never seen a clear shot of this. Unfortunately, I doubt this will change unless Sega decides to use Omega again, which doesn't seem to be the case right now.Vector T.C. (talk) 15:05, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Miniseries article names
I am in the process of reversing all of the moves you just made to the miniseries series and issue pages. Your names, though they are used by Mobius Encyclopaedia, are less accurate than the ones that we had been using. The title of the Tails miniseries, for example, is Tails, not Tails Miniseries. But since it is a miniseries, you can put the qualifier in parentheses, hence "Tails (miniseries)". -- Supermorff (talk) 07:54, October 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Assuming you were the anonymous user who just posted on my talk page, relax. It was a mistake, that's fine. Learn from it, don't do it again, and no more needs to be said. Nobody's going to hold it against you. -- Supermorff (talk) 08:35, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Can you lend a hand?
I can't find a photo of Saburō Bōya on IMDb or Behind the voice actors, where i usaly find photos of voice actors. I was wondering if you could find one. 13:47, October 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah well. Thanks anyway. 14:04, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Comics release date
Hey, when you change the release date of comics - which is fine, by the way, don't panic - could you please leave up the cover date as well, so that people don't get confused and change it back. See what I've done on Archie Sonic the Hedgehog Issue 36, for example. Thanks. -- Supermorff (talk) 07:17, October 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Of course studying takes priority. Whenever you've got time. -- Supermorff (talk) 09:25, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Mecha Sonics
Generally yes, although we have two distinct Mecha Sonics that appear in Sonic 2 for the Mega Drive (16-bit) and Sonic 2 for the Master System (8-bit). And we can't break it down by 8-bit/16-bit, since the Sonic & Knuckles Mecha Sonic is 16-bit too. If you have another suggestion, I'm all ears. -- Supermorff (talk) 13:49, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Sonic Retro do it by zone. It's where I got the idea. The other way you described sounds even more complicated to me than what we do now. -- Supermorff (talk) 14:20, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

8,000
Hello, Ultrasonic! Congratulations on reaching 8,000 edits! The things you've done for the wiki lately are awe-inspiring, I must say. I've always looked up to you as a helpful editor and excellent user. Keep up the good work! 16:52, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

(Forgive my late reply) Awww, thanks! ^_^ It makes me happy knowing that you think of me in that way. I may not be a very fast editor compared to others, but I'll keep going. By the way, just wanted to let you know: some time in early-mid December, I plan on nominating myself for Rollback. I believe I'm already qualified for the position with my maturity, activity, responsibility, etc. but I'd just like a few more weeks to make sure. 22:13, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

?
Hey, I don't know if you know this, but the last edit you just made added various unneeded question marks. This is actually happening when several different users edit and I'm curious as to why it keeps happening. You don't by chance have the visual editor enabled?  Myself  123  20:57, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking that might be reason for the question marks as it doesn't seem to happen with everyone and it happens alot when IPs make edits, and unless I'm mistaken, IPs automatically have visual editor enabled.  Myself  123  21:07, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

RE:
They maybe still part of their title on each comic, but Archie Sonic the Hedgehog Issue [number] should stay like that because that may confuse some users that "Issue" is part of the legit name of Archie Sonic the Hedgehog making it "Archie Sonic the Hedgehog Issue" 17:29, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Darn it. That means I have to go all the way from Issue 1 to reformat it again. 17:43, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Group members
Personally, I don't see what's wrong with those sections, some infromation in infoboxes usually gets repeated in more depth on the rest of page, I don't see why this should be any different.  Myself  123  16:27, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

Well, most of the pges contain information about large groups or species that contain perhaps one or two known members.  Myself  123  16:40, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

That good and all, but that doesn't mean that certain group or species pages can't have specific headers that others don't.  Myself  123  18:10, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

Hah, well I hope it's not a bad reputation!--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 13:25, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Phew! Hey, I see some sonazyness on your page. Oh my, excuse me, just had to point out.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 13:53, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, me too. Except I'm not too fond of Blaze (I like Amy more, yet do not support SonAmy which might sound odd...). I didn't take that offensive. I like to see Sonaze being one-sided, I can picture Blaze having a bit of a crush on Sonic--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 14:12, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Infoboxes
I'm not sure. I saw it done on the Ian Flynn article, and I customized one for the Bentley Jones article about two years ago. Perhaps we can consider making an infobox solely for real world people. I wouldn't mind. 19:04, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on changing anything. But yes, a forum would be quite suitable for alterations such as this. I'll try to start one up soon. I'm a bit busy with other projects at the moment. 19:09, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I have conducted a personal interview with her (as I pointed out the moment I posted the article). The contents of that article were given to me from her. How would I know her artist background? How would I know how she became employed by Archie? I wouldn't, unless she kindly provided me with the facts. The information on that page is strictly how she wanted it to be, including the article's image. I am asking you not to remove that image unless she tells me otherwise. Until then, you must respect her wishes just as I am. Also, do not remove the infobox either until I have created the forum that addresses rather or not real world articles should have infoboxes. The infobox is not doing any harm to the article, and as I pointed out in one of my previous messages to you, other real world articles are using infoboxes too. Thank you. 19:27, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Excellent questions. For starters, what is the Sonic News Network? The SNN is a collaborative encyclopedia that gathers official information about the Sonic the Hedgehog series. The content featured on this site is under "fair use", which means that any image, video, or content from body paragraphs that we add to this site were granted to us without needing copyrights because they come from official sources that we can back up with references and external links.

Additionally, there is a piracy law that we must adhere to as well. You have to comprehend that the Evan Stanley article is not like the other articles. This article was created on a fact-by-fact basis straight from the article's subject herself. Now, let me give you an example of piracy. Say, I allowed you to keep that picture of Evan on her article. Do you know what would have happened? SNN/Wikia could have been sued for piracy for showcasing an image not in discretion with the terms Evan and I implied in our interview. Taking into consideration that of course you (and any other user on SNN) have no idea what was discussed in our interview because only two people partook in it, you wouldn't and shouldn't know what was in her discretion. Evan and I discussed what would be allowed to be featured on the article, and what would not be allowed to be featured on the article. Her real life picture was one of the "dont's". She prefers the image that I uploaded.

If Evan were to see that our consensus had been ignored, then by all means, she can request to have the article deleted. Any real world article subject can do that if they are not comfortable with having their personal information on our site. The contents of real world articles are much more serious than articles about video game characters. In real world articles, we are providing the very essence of actual people. We are showing to the world where they live, how much they have aged, their past, their present, etc. It's all very personal, and most of these real world articles did not have permission from the article's subject to reveal this information publicly. That's where Evan's article differs. She gave me access to her history. She gave me permission to use the image that she preferred to be represented as, not a real life photo. We do not have her permission to use a real life photo of herself. It can be considered piracy if we used a photo of her against her wishes.

Lastly, the image is not "fanart". Fanart is an art that others make of a original source. Had that image of her been created by me, for instance, then it would be considered fanart. But it was not. She made that image herself, so it is technically official and safe to use as her representation. If someone decides to upload a real life image of her, it will simply be removed and deleted. Also, don't patronize me. I do not appreciate that you claimed I would abuse my admin rights to gain a benefit on an article. We do not protect pages unless they are undergoing severe and constant vandalism and/or spam. I have much experience across Wikia and other websites to know when and when not to use my admin rights. 20:30, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

No need to worry. Try not to misread my tone. It's a common mistake of the internet for people to misread someone's tone (which is why emoticons and smileys were invented, IMO). I am not in the slightest bit upset with you, and believe it or not, I consider you to be one of our most dedicated and hardworking editors. I've witnessed many of your contributions. You're a fantastic editor. One little misunderstanding today won't make me deem you otherwise. And yes, it was truly an honor for me to conduct an interview with her. Between you and me (and anyone who reads this response), I was actually quite shock that she responded to me. I had never been so nervous and excited as much as I was conversing with her. To avoid future conflicts on that article, I may have to create a very special template for articles that were in the discretion of the subject. (Mike Pollock is my next target, but I may not try contacting him too soon.) I'll of course get a community consensus before I make the template. 20:48, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry that the pictures I'm uploading are too wide...it's kind of complicated. And no, I don't take any offense. 17:41, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Love the work you're doing here! Keep it up! SNN totally needs you!--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 15:28, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Oh please, it shouldn't mean a lot, just a regular user here. Hah, yes I am fully aware you did the makeover on the Sonic page! Didn't know about the Sonic Unleashed one though.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 15:37, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

I am...? I really have no idea! I don't really think I'm too loved here either.

You totally belong here. Felt that you didn't get any praise for your work so I thought I'd just drop by and tell you.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 15:48, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sonic Chronicles images
Where are you getting your Sonic Chronicles images? Some of them look like they're from a fan version of the game or something. 17:09, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

I didn't really mean those pictures; they look perfectly fine. What about the gameplay ones? I mean, the ones where the player is in battle or walking through a world. 17:39, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well, some of those screenshots are fake. For example, one or two of them have "Fp" instead of "PP" on the light blue bar during battle. Some examples I found while skimming the site you linked:. And that was only skimming. There are a lot of fake screenshots on that website; few of them are legitimate. If you could find another source, maybe there wouldn't be so many screenshots from fan-made versions of the game. 17:49, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I'll help you. :) By the way, I'm not trying to give you a hard time or anything; I don't really blame you, either (I assume you haven't played the game). I'll try to help sort them out, and maybe tag the false ones for deletion. 18:01, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

18:10, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Could be, but I doubt Sega would release so many of those screenshots before releasing screenshots of the final game. WAIT, just as I typed out this message, I came across this image. FerralMoonrender uploaded it in July and said it was a beta version of the game. What do we do now?
 * 2) My memory's just as bad, then...XP

Per my previous message...now that we know these images aren't fake, do we keep them on the Sonic Chronicles page as beta images, or do we put them back on each page? 18:12, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

I'll just add the beta images to the Sonic Chronicles gallery, since that's where other beta screenshots are.

Yeah, I was going to congratulate you when the time came...yesterday I was at 8,999 edits and didn't know what to use my 9,000th edit on...then I absentmindedly commented on a blog. DX Oh, and good luck. 18:18, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations on the 10-digit editcount! 18:53, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

10,000th edit
Congratulations!!! It takes a lot of dedication to reach this edits. Here's to ten thousand more. Crimson   Chaos    96   19:16, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Unleashed must have meant "5-digit", and 10,000 more sounds like a very long time away (you could get there), but I'll also be congratulating you for reaching this impeccable milestone. Keep it up! 19:19, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Introvert?
Hmm, Sonic being an introvert is kinda new to me. But I sometimes had the feeling he could be one because he does enjoy being on his own after being with his friends... he could be an extravert too though... hmmmm--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 07:19, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sonic Chronicles pictures
I use an emulator (because I'm a horrible person) and Debut Video Capture Software (a computer screen capture program). I then watch the playback of my footage and screenshot the frame I think is best for the picture. Having Ferox (the chao) on your characters helps, too, as it gets rid of the circles that you have to tap but I didn't consider that when I got my first few pictures :P RascalTC (talk) 05:46, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

I would love to do that for you guys! I would prefer it if the pages were set up first and then I put the pictures in but if that's a no-goer I 'm sure we can work something out RascalTC (talk) 01:43, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Take as much time as you need, after all I have my own things to do and I'm going back to school in a few days so you're not the only one :P RascalTC (talk) 04:21, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

RE:Effect listing
The way I'm listing the effects is exactly the way they are listed in the game, and the format is to list the effects by level, not by individual effect. If the attack has an element, list the element separately as "Element: BLANK". I don't exactly understand the issue you're trying to communicate about, but it's best to keep things the way they are in the actual game. 20:55, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I get it now. Well, you may be trying to keep things organized, but I'm listing it the way the effects are listed in the game. And the game does not list effects in a random order...for example, look at these two pictures: and. That's how the effects are listed, and I don't see any problem with keeping it that way.

P.S. - The PP italics were on one article, so I added it to the ones I created, take it off. 21:26, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

The way I'm listing it is not necessarily a stream of text. If there were 5 or 6 effects per move, then it would be reasonable to sort them out a different way. But there are no more than 3 effects per move, and people won't be "struggling to figure out the differences in a stream of texts". The way the game lists effects is just as organized, only in a different way. The way I do it, the effects are ordered by upgrade; the way you do it, effects are ordered by...well, effect. People would probably be more likely to be searching for the effects by upgrade than by effect type, IMO. They can just read one short line to get all they want to know, instead of scanning a somewhat spaced-out section to find out why effects are different in one area, but not another. Therefore, I believe the way the effects have been listed before is perfectly fine and more understandable. It's more important to organize thought the way a reader would want it, not the way it would simply look more organized. 21:50, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

You know how you're moving the POW move descriptions to the infoboxes? That's fine and all, but doesn't there need to be some indication that the description is "official", or from the game, like italicization? 17:26, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

The problem is, will others figure that like you do? 17:43, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. 17:45, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Ahh, I was wondering where she gave intelligent advice to sooth her friends... I actually forgot she was like to Silver. Silly me!--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 16:19, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Noitced one of your edits. When did Sonic acknowlege Percival's reflexes/speed?--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 16:51, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Man, you are resourceful! I better look beyond that just playing the games. That's a true Sonic fan right there!--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 17:04, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Help please
Some information on Tails' page are way too lengthy to be readable. I think the huge length isn't necessary in sections such as Sonic 3 and Shuffle. I, however, have very little knowlege on those games. Can you help out in making it brief? The game appearances are supposed to be outlines of events of only Tails and no other character.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 16:01, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Pictures
I took them myself when I was playing the game and cropped them. 21:55, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Er...yeah. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/knuckles/images/5/55/Xat-redface.png 21:58, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Can't remember...I'll tell you when I do. I'm going to play Secret Rings now, so it'll be a while before I respond to new messages. 22:07, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Fine. It was only a suggestion anyway, and I don't think we're in a rush. 00:08, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Help
It's the history section that is unecessarily lengthy to me.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:32, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Hold it. Reading the Sonic Adventure section, I see information which I think might be false. It seems the information has Tails taking Sonic's place (or I could be wrong).

"Eggman sends Gamma up against Tails, but he brutally injures Gamma, causing a heart broken Amy to tell of how caring Gamma truly is. Tails now stricken with guilt agrees to not hurt Gamma. From the grueling battle between the two, the Egg Carrier suffered extreme damage and was starting to lose altitude. Sonic tells Tails to take Amy back to Station Square, so Tails does, but waits to make sure that Gamma is able to get off safely as well."
 * Wasn't Sonic the one who fought Gamma but then felt guilty because of Amy? Or is there an alternate Tails version of this?

And why does Tails win every single race? Tails also has to fight Knuckles? Tails is the one who meets Tikal in the forest? Not Sonic? I seriously could be wrong though, perhaps Tails encounters whatever Sonic does in his story mode... --58SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:54, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

But that is what has to be written in Tails' article - Only what Tails did in the game and no one else. In Tails' article, you can write he fought both Sonic and Tails that's true, but the focus should be more on what Tails did in the battle than Sonic. These sections are there for only outlining Tails' role in the games, not to point out phrases he said and detailed descriptions on what he did. Which is why I am fixing these up because they are way too detailed to be just outlining Tails' role. A sentence can go like:
 * "Sonic told Tails to do X and therefore Tails did what he said but then encountered Y on his mission."

But not:


 * "Sonic told Tails to do X, while Sonic went for Y, Sonic encounters W and is victorious. He then has to reach location Z."

And not:


 * "Tails yelled, "How could you do that to him?"

But:


 * "Tails yelled at Knuckles asking him how could he have done that."


 * My question is - did Tails fight Gamma and then felt guilty of it because of Amy? Did he meet Tikal at the forest? Because I thought only Sonic went through all that.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 13:30, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for your co-operation!--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 13:36, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Ohh... by the way, I'm slightly curious about your age. I'm sorry if you mind me asking!--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 13:38, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, your maturity shows it (you must be a young adult then...?). Ohhh, Youtube is banned in my region!--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 13:44, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I know what I do, don't worry.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 13:48, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I know you're busy, but I'd be glad if you state your opinion in this forum: http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:New_Look :) --58SlugDrones • (Contact) 16:57, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

When you upload a new picture like you did with Prune Juice, just go to the page for the original image (File:Prunejuice.png) and upload a new version of that file so that we won't have to delete the old image. 21:30, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Pictures
Where did you get that ripped artwork of the Sonic Chronicles items? It would be nice if I could just create pages with those pictures instead of asking you (or waiting for you) to replace it with a better quality image. 13:40, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. :) I'm not the best at image manipulation (just see my attempt for Refresher Wave), so I'll leave that to you, then. 13:48, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Request
I'm replaying the game (I beat it two days ago XD) and I'm trying to complete every mission and get every POW move. I'm fighting Shadow right now, so maybe I'll use Cream's Tough move and use Clover Juice on Tails to get the pictures. I'll add them ASAP. :) 17:34, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

._. http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/kultofpersonality/images/c/c6/472659173.png Of course. 17:38, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

About the start of Archie pages
I changed a few pages from things like "issue two hundred and thirty five" to "issue two hundred thirty five". And you changed some of them someone else did. Technically both are correct, but which do you think should be used for consistency sake? 21:36, January 30, 2013 (UTC) Ah, I'll change my edits back then. 21:43, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

#134
It's fine, although I don't understand the need to put a 'summary' heading at the top. It's not setting off a summary; that's what the synopsis sections are for. If you're doing it to be consistent with other Archie pages, bear in mind that this is pretty much the only Archie issue page on the site that we did ourselves; all of the others were taken from ME. -- Supermorff (talk) 21:20, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

We have 300+ articles that are copied whole hog from ME. That's not ideal. I would prefer consistency with the formatting used in Sonic the Comic articles (and, indeed, various other comics, TV episodes, books and media that I and others have worked on). That's what I used in #134. -- Supermorff (talk) 21:38, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

One person can start. Anyone can. I started. With #134. It's just that one person can't do it alone, unless they have considerably more time than I do. But if every user did one article... (Also, ME may have more content, but their formatting is not as good as ours. Another reason to be sad that they refused to negotiate a merger.) -- Supermorff (talk) 22:09, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

The structures and infobox are both appropriate for the formatting I used (or they were until you added an additional heading). I honestly don't understand your objection. Pages are already inconsistent, because the Archie pages are different to every other type of page we have on the wiki. I'm not sure why you'd object to making things in line with the format that has been quite well established on SNN, even though it hasn't been used properly on Archie issue pages until now. -- Supermorff (talk) 22:53, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

The Archie pages didn't have consistency. Pages for issues, TV series, comics other than Archie do have a fair bit of consistency. Sonic the Comic articles have a lot of consistency, and they are consistent with Archie #134 too. Or they were, before Archie #134 changed. But frankly, consistency can go hang, because the format of #134 is higher quality than the format of other Archie issues, and quality is more important. -- Supermorff (talk) 23:20, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is, and my time is limited. This is the longest I've been on the wiki in over a month. And you seem to think that everything needs to be sorted quickly. It doesn't. We can fix the pages later as long as we don't make them worse now. -- Supermorff (talk) 00:12, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. To me it seems much tidier to keep everything about one story together. Each story has its own creators, synopsis, characters, trivia... Why should we lump all of those together by function instead of by subject? Also, characters should really only be listed if they appear, not just get mentioned, and a lot of minor characters won't be in the synopsis (just look at 134's Sonic story). -- Supermorff (talk) 09:11, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Since I have no intention of taking the initiative on this, it probably won't happen. Feel free to start a site discussion or something, though, if you like. -- Supermorff (talk) 10:17, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Ice Cap (Adventure)
I'm fine with the name change. Go for it. - 5:38PM-2/1/13

Infobox help
Hey ultra, me and blue are biding up his new wiki. Nether of us know how to make one. I tried to copy-paste coding from this wiki, but it didn't work. So if you can fix these infoboxes: http://archie-mega-man.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Infobox_character

http://archie-mega-man.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Comics

That would be great. 00:01, February 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * ...what? So you can't make the infobox template for the wiki? 00:26, February 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just the same specifications here on SNN. 00:33, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

It's alright. Well' figure it out. Goodnight! 00:53, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

StH #250
When the time comes, can I create the StH #250 page? If you don't mind. - 11:43AM-2/6/13

Huh... don't you make describe things a bit too lengthy? Way too detailed stuff in there. Try making things more brief.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 18:22, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

I'm typically here off and on, but if you find it first, then alright. I've created too many When Worlds Collide pages anyway. - 3:48PM-2/6/13

Re:Length
Hmm, I may not agree but alright.
 * Details are fine but only those an highlight important things in an event. For example, in Sonic Colors before the "Big Boy" boss Eggman says "Nothing can stop me!" Sonic replies "Who ya callin' nothing?" then Orbot explains the joke to Cubot.
 * Now, the wiki describes this scene as "Sonic teases Eggman that nothing can stop him while Orbot explains the joke to Cubot" it's written absolutely fine, but just because the scene was funny or entertaining, doesn't mean we have to write it under the plot section. Why? Because it's not the plot, it was just a little scene. There's no need to describe every little detail in everything. This can be written on Orbot page in the Cubot section to highlight the fact that Orbot "helps" Cubot otherwise I don't see the point in describing the scene.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 05:21, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Thanks for telling me about the image size issue. I'll work on that. In the meantime, if you see images going over the edge of the infobox, please resize the image to 250px.

Yes, I fully intend to adapt the other infoboxes to the same style, given time. Yes, once I've finished on the infoboxes, I'll work on navboxes and other templates too. Thanks! -- Supermorff (talk) 16:29, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

That's to do with badly edited images, but here's a quick (and ugly) hack. Thoughts? -- Supermorff (talk) 19:21, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

The picture on Grounder's page now has a white background. -- Supermorff (talk) 19:46, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Heading Overboard
And wasn't the assignment on this wiki was to make it look good for people? Pages that don't have headings honestly look like "crap." And yes, there might be times where I'll cut a paragraph in half to make it better with headings, but if you are telling me that I'm going overboard on putting "Description" or "History" or "Overview," then you have a problem. My task is to make the wiki look better, and if you find a long page with no heading, wouldn't you be a bit disappointed on the page and edit it with headings? I'm not trying to be mean, I speak for myself, and my main objective is to work my butt off to make this wiki better. Plus, some of the pages I've seen weren't the brightest, and I'll be darn-glad if someone saw my same opinion on pages too. BlueSpeeder (talk) 00:35, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

I'm very sorry about that Ultra. It's just that I was already in a bad mood yesterday. I hope you can forgive me about that. :( BlueSpeeder (talk) 17:44, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, things coukd have been very badly if this was something big. :P BlueSpeeder (talk) 18:48, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Time Eater
Listen I only fell that we should point out that there's a very high chance for it to be linked it is a concentrated mass of energy that is dark looks like the Nega Wisp and is found in the same area that Nega Mother Wisp was purified in by Super Sonic where we clearly see the energy being cast off unlike the normal Wisp when returned to normal there's to much there not to mention it.

Well then how many times in life have cold hard facts been proven to lie with theroys but never the less lets just end this here.

Re: POW moves
Dangit, I forgot all about them! My life's been really busy lately, but I'll start the screenshots again; might as well do it when I've got time. 16:24, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

You don't have to worry about me getting mad. The last time I was already in a bad mood. If you designed them and it took you awhile and if you don't want me to put "description" headings on them, just revert my edits. I'll understand. 15:42, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Tense
May I ask why you changed that information to the past tense? 18:43, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

If you are interested in knowing, all of the information on all of the 06 character articles are in the present tense despite the section being labeled "History". I would much prefer it if the heading was renamed to something else, as opposed to changing the tense of the entire thing. 18:51, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Sonic #250
Okay, you beat me to it. But, if you didn't mind, I would like to add the real cover when the time comes. 14:47, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

A certain Task
I hate to bother you at a time, but I have something important to ask you. I'm making a template for Extreme Gear, and I'm about to be done. Do you mind if you help me add it on the pages? Thank you! 16:55, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'm not done yet. I'll contact you when I do get finished. 16:58, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Let's BEGIN! 17:23, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Alright. You can take over the rest. Thanks for the help! 17:38, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Ultra. Thanks for letting me put the main cover on the page. Oh and thanks again for earlier. 22:29, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry about that, man. 22:47, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

To be honest, I really don't remember. At all. Probably ripped it or got it from an unknown site. Sorry, mate --You want it with duck or without? 17:32, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hey can you add pictures to the pages of Pink Rose and Smile so that the info boxes are like the ones on Blue Star and Yellow Tail showing all forms of thos gears.

Okay thanks.

Okay I'll try that.

That's okay that can happen from time to time.

Could you make a templete for character exclusive gears to put on thos pages?

Okay I'm not that good at codes but I'll do what I can to help you.

Hey it can be the characters gears and the types they fall under and then the noncharacter gears. That would work wonders.

Okay I just felt we should seperate them some how.

Brand Spankien New to just made it.

I'm replying to what you said about there's a page for Emerald Coast from Sonic Shuffle and saying I just made the page.

Chaos Energy
I don't think so, but the concept was included. I think it was called "Emerald Radiation" or "Emerald Energy". It might have been called "Chaos Energy" later on (i.e. around the release of Sonic Adventure), but I haven't re-read the last issues yet. -- Supermorff (talk) 20:01, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Sure! 15:10, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Done with the Worlds Collide tabs. Now for the rest of the issues. XD 16:14, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Stbk skills
It's been a while since I last played Sonic and the Black Knight, but from what I can remember, you gain Skills throughout the game that are automatically equipped (not in the Treasury; the Treasury stuff can only be used to craft swords, I think). They can be obtained by completing missions and gaining followers, or leveling up styles (I think there's another way, though). You can view your list of collected skills in the Blacksmith menu. 12:56, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

I know; there's not nearly enough information about them on the internet. The only source I have is my copy of the game, and I don't exactly have all the skills. 18:33, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Jet's fans
Don't worry, mistake like that happen all the time. I have too seen the name used multiple times and I believe the name orginate from the Bashosen from Joureny to the West like I said on the talk page. It's possible that the name used is right, but we don't have a source for it yet, so we'll have to keep it as it is.  Myself  123  22:24, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

This is very interesting indeed! I'm not sure if this would suffice as a accurate source mind, I can't seem to get the original website to load, but hopefully a source can be found.  Myself  123  23:28, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

I'd say there's enough evidense to suggest they are called Bashōsen, I'd stick with the exact name as we've used Japanese names for other things.  Myself  123  16:19, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

That's what I'm saying, we have no english name for it, so we should just leave it at Bashōsen.  Myself  123  16:28, April 20, 2013 (UTC)