Forum:Enemies lists on userpages

Some user pages on SNN have lists of friends (with is a very good thing), but then followed by a list of enemies. I think this is very disrespectful to our users. Now i know there have been users that would just blatantly disobey our rules; and i can imagine people disliking them. But that should be keep between you and a admit. In fact, putting on that list might cause attention (feeding the troll). For users that actually obey the rules and edit; you are publicly offending then. Maybe it is personal you put them on your enemies list; in that case it is just plain wrong.

I suggest we ban enemies list. Punishment, if any for having one; i don't know (just nothing to severe). We all need to remember we are not just users, but real life people with a day-to-day life. We should be treated as so. !---&#62;SilverPlays97&#60;---! (talk) 12:30, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

I'm neutral

'''It's good because... 1) Can offend people 2) Can be feeding the trolls (i'm all for banning trolls from being put on there).

'''It's bad because... 1) People should be entitled to their opinions, and I don't think it goes against the NPA policy, because that would be like "I wish this *user* would die." Saying a user is "immature" or "irritating" shouldn't be banned. 2) You can irritate people without knowing. I usually try not to talk to users (who will remain unnamed for now at least, but I can tell you if you really want) who i'm pretty sure find me annoying, because I don't want them to be annoyed. How would I know if I am?? The only way I could is by reading peoples profiles (the "Mood" section), and assuming it's me, based on when it was changed, and I don't want to do that.

So basically, make it so you can't put trolls on there and make it clear what we can and cannot write beside it, i'd say keep it for now.TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 13:31, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

I wonder if there are people who hate me... anyways, yeah, I'm leaning more towards "Get rid of the List" than "Keep the list" because the cons of the list outweigh the pros. Ban it. -Please leave a message after the tone. 13:03, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

I'm more or less in opposition to this. I don't think having an enemies list in itself in a bad thing, you just need to know when you've taken in to far. -- 13:07, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

The only reason I support having the enemies list being banned because, as pointed out by Supermoff on the original blog, such lists can be counter-productive towards several of our site policies. If that weren't the case I'd simply be neutral because, while I think people should be entitled to their opinions on other people as long as they don't take things too far and abuse such lists, having enemies lists banned anyway wouldn't affect me personally nor do I see it having great negative affect towards those who're in opposition towards having them banned. Lloyd the Cat "I don't die. I just go on adventures."  13:39, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

It should be allowed as long as the list follows the site policy, and as I stated before, as long as the user in question doesn't take their "enemies" list to extreme lengths. -- 15:48, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Per Gen. 16:20, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sacor> Gen and Admiral are voting in different ways. Which way are you voting? -- Supermorff (talk) 18:08, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

The issues as I see it (as mentioned previously on the blog): On a personal level I don't see the point in such lists except to antagonise people. Out of curiosity, how many people in favour of keeping enemies lists have actually appeared on one that they know of? -- Supermorff (talk) 18:07, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Even without a policy change, putting trolls and vandals on such a list is already against Sonic News Network:Don't feed the trolls.
 * A list of other 'enemies' (i.e. 'people you don't get on with') also go against the principles of 'Be nice' and 'No personal attacks' (if you say you dislike a user instead of what the user has done), two of our general site guidelines


 * I don't think it goes against our policies. The word "enemies" maybe is going against be nice, but saying you don't get along isin't really that bad. Misinterperiting into "leave mean comments on their talk page" is the users problem, as that's what it seems like what you mean by antagonizing. Also, it dosn't go against NPA at all IMO. As stated before personal attacks would be like death wishing. Calling someone "immature" or "irritating" isin't really an attack, as long as you give a reason, as most people (including myself) do. I also think that maybe users could bend the truth, which is something that can be solved. BTW, can you tell me if mine's being mean, because I was 100% honest in what I stated. And if a user dosn't feel the way I do (feels they're enemies), then they can maybe word it like "Users I don't get along with" or "Users I reccomend you stay away from".TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 18:49, August 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just because you "Give a reason" to be mean to someone doesn't change the fact that you're still breaking the policy and still being mean. --AdmiralLevi.Signiture_B.gifAdmiralLevi._Salute_B.gif 19:06, August 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I said we wern't being mean. Saying you don't get along isin't mean, because the two would already know that. Also, they're not really being antagonised, because it's their they're telling the truth. It really happened, they're not bending the truth to make them look bad. Also, the only mean part is calling them enemies, and I already game suggestions for what they could type. It's mean, because it's just a plain insult, and insulting people is what bullying basically is. Giving a reason dosn't make it bullying, as it it criticism, which isn't mean at all.TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 19:13, August 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, calling a user "immature" or "irritating" is a personal attack no matter how you justify it. Hopefully you haven't been doing that. It wouldn't be a personal attack if you said "I find the way that you [blank] to be irritating". Then you are commenting on the behaviour, not the user.
 * Saying that you don't like someone for no other purpose than to make them (and other people) aware that you don't like them is mean and... well... immature. -- Supermorff (talk) 19:47, August 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, so what if you give a reason for their behavior, such as this person is being bias towards me because..., or the grammar of this person is completely atrocious? I thknk that should be allowed on their lists. I don't see how we're making them aware. It the two don't get along, then they would know that. Doing it for the same reasons as friends lists is sorta the reason we have profiles in the first place. I mean, if you're telling people that this users behavior is completely bias, and justify it, then I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. Again, maybe we should just not call them "enemies" or personally attack them, as the reason you seem to be supporting this is because it can violate policies if done wrong. If done right, then it wouldn't.TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 19:55, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * If this were to be passed then still no. There would be no getting around the rule. -- 20:39, August 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, so i'm sorry if you wern't replying to me, but i'm not trying to get around the rule. I'm all for banning them if they go too far, by actually insulting other users, but if doing it without doing that, then I don't see the problem. Again, i'm sorry if you wern't replying to me.TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 03:14, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't think it's feeding the trolls if we don't insult them or call them "enemies". It's warning people not to talk to them so they don't get trolled.TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 03:16, August 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Making lists of trolls and vandals is feeding the trolls. Period. Making lists of other users that you just don't like is rude. Period.
 * Could you please indent your signatures along with the rest of your posts? It's getting a little distracting. -- Supermorff (talk) 07:37, August 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok. I figured it was feeding the trolls, but I wasn't sure. I don't see how it's rude if you don't go too far. I mean, I just don't see how it's rude, because if you don't get along with another user, shouldn't it be obvious. The only was I see it not being obvious is if you put in really mean text about something that happened on another site years ago or something. If your last sentence was "dude, your signatures are seriously p****ing me off (is that word allowed here?), that's rude. Asking me too and saying why isn't even rude in the slightest bit.TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 07:47, August 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, you've identified behaviour that would be rude, but that's missing the point. Making a list of people you don't like is also rude. Even if the person knew you didn't like them, what is there to be gained by publicising it on your user page? -- Supermorff (talk) 08:17, August 14, 2012 (UTC)