User talk:Supermorff

Vote Ditso
Dark Oak is Resposible for the destruction of many innocent planets

Ditso isn't

Dark Oak caused the Demise of Cosmo, Tails' one true love

Ditso didn't

Dark Oak doesn't believe in projecting giant pictures of Robotnik in the shower for all of Mobius to see

Ditso does



Adding categories to Dark Valley, you say??
Well... thanks. I'd clearly dropped the ball and forgotten them there. But in due course, I'd like to ask your opinion on the Locations vs. Game stages categories.

You would think they would overlap lots, wouldn't you? And, indeed, they do. What I've been doing (when I remember to add them at all!) is stick "Game stages" on everything that is... well, a named level or zone. And stick Locations on things when they become MORE than just one level - like Green Hill, which has been in many, many games, and so clearly becomes a Plot Element instead of just a random stage. Also, Soleanna, which isn't a specific named level ever, but is clearly a location.

Which generally boils down to: if it's NEVER been a game stage, it gets just location. If it's ONCE been a game stage, it gets Game Stage. If it's been a game stage more than once, it gets Location AND Game stage.

Do you think this makes any sense at all? I would like to try and hammer out (at some point) an SNN "best practice procedure" for Game Stage category vs. Location categoty, and so your sage thoughts on the matter would be much appreciated. :D The Doctor... IS IN Molten Scandium  00:28, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I think there are two things to consider here: namely the short-term and long-term methods for dealing with this little difficulty. Short-term, your solution is pretty good. It means at the very least that every game stage is categorised as such, and every location is either in the Locations category or one of its subcats.
 * Long-term, I'm still slightly conflicted over the best way to deal with it. Fortunately, being long-term, we have some time yet to ponder it. I assure you I will give this some thought.
 * Oh, the one thing I would point out is that some "game stages" clearly aren't "locations" in the usual sense: e.g. Babylon Guardian is a character and boss stage, but the location where the boss battle takes place appears to be called the Digital Dimension. So that's something to keep an eye on in future as well. -- Supermorff 15:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

A query I have
Hello Supermorff,

I've been informed from Kagimizu that I should seek a mod about a query I have instead of actually trying to edit the articles themselves so I simply chose you out of random because I can't seem to find anyone in charge of this wiki as a whole admin.

Anyways, this topic is about the trivia sections on this site. I've been here at SNN for some time (I believe since June) and think this Sonic wiki is a good idea. A place where every fan can input info they find. I come to this site often to get info and listings. It's all good except for one section: trivia. When I look at the trivia sections, it's a complete mess. There is information in those sections on almost every page with trivia that should not belong. Some of them are fan speculations, others are hypothesis and guesses, and some are just dumb and pointless. At this time, I thought someone was not taking care of this and all this info was inputted by someone who had no idea what they were doing or what belong in the article or not. So I decided to edit them myself and clean up the trivia sections that had information not necessary. Well to my surprise, they kept reappearing. Every page I went, the info kept popping up. At first I thought it was some stubborn user but then it turned out it was none other than Kagimizu, a mod. It would be understandable if it was some user who did not know how to input info into a trivia section but if a mod approves of such info, then we got a problem here.

I'm a fan of the trivia sections. I love them because you get even more in depth info from the subject in question that you would not learn formally. But when I come to SNN, I am displeased to learn that almost anything is put into the trivia sections. It's as if no one knows how to do a trivia section properly and assume anything can be put in.

A trivia section is a section of an article where info that cannot be placed on the main article is placed on it's own section. This info is not important enough to be a part of the main section but still useful enough to be known so it should not be omitted. The information that goes into a trivia section adds and expands the article and gives more insight, knowledge, and description to the subject. Wikipedia's guidelines for trivia state that it's info that can not fit anywhere and the editor should try to look for a place to put it in. In other words, trivia is the last thing that should be worked on because you want to search for a place to fit the info on the article and add to it. If it can't be added, then it's considered trivial and thus, goes into it's own section.

But this does not apply to SNN. When I see an trivia section, I am seeing information that is quiet useless to know about such as comparing one character to another. I don't understand why I need to know about a trait that is more coincidental than it is about the development of the character. If one character has a trait that is similar to another, such as Blaze being similar to Knuckles in the fact that they are guardians of certain emeralds, then you must ask yourself "Why is this important to the article?" In the example I showed, how does that information help the Blaze article expand more and give insight to her. If it was stated by a employee at Sega that they got inspiration from Knuckles when modeling Blaze, than that would be considered trivia since you would not be able to fit it into the article itself but is important to the understanding of Blaze's development. But if it's just a coincidence that Blaze so happens to be like Knuckles in only that they share that trait and there is nothing to back up that they both share such a common feature besides it being a coincidence, than that is not trivia because it does not help the expand the article and it's pretty much just an observation someone made.

There are many common mistakes that are added to the trivia sections. Others being fan speculations, good obsevations that are not informative enough to warrant research, what people "think" might be, and stuff that is not informative at all and are just comments. These may be interesting to know but when I read them, they didn't add to the article I was reading and didn't help my research. It felt like I was reading a persons comment rather than an excerpt of the subject. If the item doesn't give you applied knowledge, it should not be included.

I believe that the trivia sections need a serious clean up. If a mod approves it, then that means that no one here knows how trivia should be done. Serious guidelines should be done for trivia and what it is, what should go in it, and so on. The other info is not important to be warranted as research. Though I have thought about why a mod would approve of it, I come to the conclusion that they consider it important to know. I came to this because I remember I edited out a bad trivia item when I was editing articles. When it was brought back though, that item was not. So there is some attention being put to the trivia sections but no real guideline. That is why I propose there be a new section: miscellaneous. Just what it means, anything and everything else that doesn't even fit in trivia. While trivia SHOULD still cover the article's items that are not important to be in the article itself but still important enough to be known, miscellaneous is just information that is not really important to know but have been observed and might be of interest one way or another. Observations that have bee noted like comparing one character to another (especially when the other character is not even from Sega) is not really trivia but can be put into miscellaneous. I think it would clean up the trivia section and make it more neat.

So that is my post. Sorry if it's huge but it should show you that I am serious about the trivia sections. I love them and hate to see this wiki mishandle them just because people don't understand what trivia means. Just because trivia means info that cannot be inserted into the main article, it does not mean ANYTHING can be placed under it. It should still contain information that adds to the article in a small way but gives you a bit more information about the subject that is necessary to know about. Anything that is simply observed or coincidences are not trivia unless it is backed up by a source of information that is not hearsay or guessing. If you want to have that information, then a good idea would be to make a separate section for them. This will help keep the article in order so when you get to the trivia section, it won't be a jumble mess and you will be able to tell what's actual fact and what is a possibility. --TKGB 07:27, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'm glad that you agree and was surprised to know that someone else has a concern about it. But that still doesn't solve anything. Isn't there anything that can be done about this? Simply editing it won't do since someone will just end up undoing it.--TKGB 00:28, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that's not entirely true. If we simply keep an eye on the articles and remove uneeded info, that should really clean up the Trivia.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 00:36, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well that would be ideal except that people don't understand what trivia is here. There is no guideline for that in this wiki and people just keep posting items unrelated to being trivia and it keeps being approved. So when you say "uneeded", what does that mean here? That's why I'm proposing two sections. That would be ideal to keep stuff that is still revelant to the subject and info that is are just hypothesis that people have (i.e. "...because of this, it is believed that...").--TKGB 00:47, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Well, Trivia already has its own "section" on pages, but seperate pages is too far. The way I see it, if the trivia is notable and relevant, it's fine by me. For example, some new trivia that was added to Amy's page was that "Amy is currently the only female hedgehog in the games". Stuff like that seems reasonable to me.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 00:52, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * See, that kind of information is not trivia. Firstly, what I suggested was not a new page but a new category for this kind of thing. Second, I don't think you understand the meaning of trivia. As I've said on the original long post I made for Supermorff, trivia is information that aids the article. It helps expand the article on knowledge about the subject. Don't you think that pointing out that Amy is the only female hedgehog is too loose to be considered helpful. If you approve of that, how about "Amy is currently the only pink female character". How about "Amy is currently the only character who wields a hammer". Or "Amy is currently the only character that was kidnapped by Metal Sonic" and "Amy is currently the only hedgehog whose design has changed drastically"? You have to ask yourself if the information is helpful in research and development of the character both ingame and real world, not just observations.

If you still can't understand what I mean, consider another subject. Let me use English as an example. Look at this site:

http://www.sentex.net/~ajy/facts/words.html

The site contains many information that can be considered trivia. So by your approval, one could put "As of today, the letter Y is the only one that can be used as both a vowel and a consonant." Yeah, thats nice but it's pretty obvious that most people know about it so it doesn't need to be written down. I hope you understand what I mean. --TKGB 06:13, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

In my books, if you have several strings of trivia related to each other, then those need to be clumped together to form a new section, as was the case with Silver when I first came here. Trivia is my biggest crib with this wikia and I'm a reglaur visitor here. I raised this issue recently, because Silver's trivia section was massive. I listed elsewhere several points and problems with trivia. In the end it comes down to this: Can it fit elsewhere on the page? If yes, then it doesn't belong in trivia. If not, then it belongs in trivia.

As a experience wikia peep, this wikia can be off putting at times, but I come here because I have long term issues with wikipedia (used to be a wikipedian until 2 years ago or so). At the very least, what someone needs to do is look at the largest section on the page other then trivia (not including galleries) and ask "Is the trivia section bigger then this?". If yes, something needs to be done ASAP, as I had to do with Silver's page. Regardless, I'm happy to see it finally being discussed, but there seems to be a problem with controlling it. If you have guidelines for trivia, that would help, if not, perhaps its time something was done. One-Winged Hawk 15:16, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Re: User masthead
Hey Supermorff. Sorry for the late reply. I just tested this code and it worked, so just add it to Monaco.css and hard refresh (Ctrl+F5).

color: #000000 !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs a {

color: #BA0000 !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs a.new {

background-color: #FFFFFF !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs li.selected a, #page_tabs li.selected a.new {

background-color: #EEEEEE !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs li a, #page_tabs li a.new {

body.masthead-regular #page_bar, body.masthead-special #page_bar { border-bottom: none; }

While we're talking about css colors, I was wondering if you'd want to make the text on the header buttons (GAMING and MORE) more visible. They're quite hard to read. If you want to change that text color, edit this item in Monaco.css:

/* this makes the background of those 'pill' buttons blue also */ .headerMenuButton dt, .headerMenuButton dd { background-image: url(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/help/images/3/3a/Sapphire_header_button.png); color: #808080; } Just change #808080 to white or a light gray (such as #DDDDDD, #CCCCCC, etc.) to match the color of the little down arrow. Let me know if you have any problems or need help with anything else. JoePlay ( talk ) 21:30, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * If you use Firefox, then Firebug is a very useful tool for troubleshooting css code used on the Monaco skin. JoePlay ( talk ) 19:57, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Eggman's eyes…
Of course that video showed Eggman's eyes. Very clearly it did, even. The camera was, at multiple times, at an angle that cleary revealed his eyes. Here's a screenshot someone took also showing it. Herman2000 19:41, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I disagree there, indeed. If it's in the game, it's obviously canon. Herman2000 01:19, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sir Frances Charles. His full name was revealed in SatAM. Trust me, I wouldn't lie. Watch SatAm to comfirm my sources though I can't remember which episode. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Just so you know, Comick (the one who made Sonic Switch) made a new short. It is based in the Sonic Switch plot and has a cameo of Scourge. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

You saw it? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

There are also two easter eggs. The first is one Knuckles' shoe (when Sonic fell to the ground) and on Rouge's breasts when everyone (except Sonic) was enjoying Scourge's dance. AND Comick also finished Sonic Switch and is working on "Sonic and the Crystal Egg. Hail to the king, baby! Sonic &amp;  Scrab  Master

Supermorff, I would like some help with the Sonic Cameoes page. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kaze no Kizu!  21:19, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I know of a few Sonic Cameoes in two Mario games, but I don't know how to work the graphs. The first is Harry Hedgehog from Super Mario World 2 and Yoshi's Island and take a look at this picture. Does anyone look familiar? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kaze no Kizu!  21:30, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Look at the portrait on the far left. It's easier to see it if you have the game. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kaze no Kizu!  21:50, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I think it was changed slightly to avoid copyright or something. Kinda like Mari-Oh. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kaze no Kizu!  22:01, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Mari-Oh] was a cancelled boss from Alex Kidd in Shinobi World. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kaze no Kizu!  22:06, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Blaze
I've got a question. Was Blaze ever in the original StC? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kongosoha!  19:57, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. That's why I asked you. Kinda makes me wonder how their going to portray her; hot-headed I know that much. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kongosoha!  20:09, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Wow. That's the first time I've seen you break your serious streak. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kongosoha!  20:16, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kongosoha!  20:28, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

ハッピーハロウィン / かこめかこめ
I can't believe I forgot to show this for Halloween. I made this blog specifically for Halloween. Please comment on the blog. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kongosoha!  20:16, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Voice Actors
Actually, I know that Kappei Yamaguchi didn't voice Sonic for a fact. 1. He voices Inuyasha from the anime InuYasha and I know that his voice wouldn't fit. 2. Out of all the sources I read about him, none of them say he voiced Sonic. 3. I also looked for the Japanese versions of SU and AOSTH, none of them have Yamaguchi-san. 4. I have many friends who know about him, and they all say he has never voiced Sonic. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kongosoha!  21:55, November 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kongosoha!  22:08, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Hey
How goes it, Supermorff? Sorry I didnt reply to your message right away. I saw it a few minutes after you left it but I really had to.... actually, you dont wanna know what I had to go do. I was also busy on a trip in another country. Guess where.

CANADA. Ontario, actually. Anyways can you help me delete some stuff? There's a bunch of unnecessary pictures that you can see in the speedy deletion page.

-- Eh, What's up Doc?   ~  DjWindmaster97  08:52, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Canada actually wasnt so bad. They've got nice neighborhoods, the street signs are in English, I saw Niagara Falls, and I went to the CN Tower in Toronto. However, there were a lot of Asian people there for reasons that are far beyond me.... And I dont mean the Korean-looking Asian, but Asians in general (Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Japanese etc).


 * And you dont have to rush yourself deleting those pictures. Most of them are just a bunch of tiny, lo-res pics that DiscoDuck uploaded (not to mention he never categorizes them).

-- Eh, What's up Doc?   ~  DjWindmaster97  09:23, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Merchandise Category
Hey, hey, hey. How's life, Supermorff? I just came back from a trip to Germany to visit some family members (not that I'm German), and since I was suffering from jet lag and everything was in Deutsch, I haven't been able to go online as much. But at least one of the few times that I went on the internet I was lucky enough to get the chance to vote for my favorite character (Knuckley Knuckles of course) in the Character Tournament.

Anyways, I wanted to ask you if I could make a category for images of all types of merchandise except for games. I once tried to make such a category, but was quickly shot down by another Admin who said that we already had a category for merchandise (the "Sonic Toy images" category I guess). I mostly want to make this category so that there's a place for the images in the Sonic Foods article. Maybe I should just make a "Foods" category?

-- Eh, What's up Doc?   ~  DjWindmaster97  18:02, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * So what category do you think I should put Merchandise in? I can only think of the "Images" category.
 * -- Eh, What's up Doc?   ~  DjWindmaster97  20:48, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

What the duck happened?
Howdy, Morff. I've been M.I.A. for a while now, and I come back only to see that the Monaco skin on the SNN is M.I.A. as well. What happened? Was there some kind of poll between our users to decide whether or not to use the New Wikia look? How long have I been gone anyway? I feel like I'm the only one who's completely out of it. I'm stuck using Monobook now 'cause I really dont like that new skin, especially 'cause of how the background is blocked by an unsightly white space and how you cant move the text to the right side of the screen. If theres any way for me to choose the Monaco skin, please let me know. This Monobook's crampin' my style.

Oh, and I never got to saying this, so I'll do so now. Congrats on finally being a Featured User. About time the newbies figured out who's the best user around here.

-- Eh, What's up Doc?   ~  DjWindmaster97  05:44, November 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've tried those codes to make the changes, and I gotta say, this modded New Wikia skin is not as annoying as it used to be. But it's nowhere NEAR as efficient as Monaco is (was). I miss having that sea of Sonic icons in the background, and without the Recent Activity box, I wont be able to catch vandals as easily anymore. Dang Wikia. Couldn't they have just been like Wikipedia and refined their look instead of completely changing it? Dont people follow the phrase, "If it ain't broken, dont fix it"? But nope. Wikia just had to go and fix it.
 * *Grumbles*

-- Eh, What's up Doc?   ~  DjWindmaster97  00:40, November 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay, I gotcha. I didnt even notice those buttons up there. And I dont get how you can still see the background with this new look. I can only see those Sonic heads when I scroll all the way to the top of the page. Before, I meant that I miss seeing them in that old margin to the left. It's a pain in the neck with this newfangled skin, but we've simply gotta suck it up, make like some Nikes, and just do it.
 * *Grumbles some more*


 * -- Eh, What's up Doc?   ~  DjWindmaster97  05:16, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Congrats on winning the featured user poll, you totally deserve it.Sonictoast 18:08, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed I noticed, and I must say week 3 is looking great, as always. I also really like how you always have the sneak peek of the following week (I did not mean for that whole sentence to rhyme). I plan to get movin on week 5's write ups soon. Sonictoast 20:59, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * yeah, for sure, actually, I believe we have two Sega super stars in week 5, so that'll be kinda nifty.Sonictoast 21:10, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

tourney update
I followed all your steps, I hit a little snag, but cleaned it up. I think I covered everything, but if you could look it over and make sure everything is right, that would be great. Let me know if I didn't do anything right, even if it is minor. and thanks for doing those write ups. Sonictoast 05:59, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it is a shame to lose Ben Hurst. I honestly don't think the Sonic franchise would have been the same without him. So the interview didn't go as well as I'd hoped. I flew out to LA for it, and in the end, the offered me a part time freelance job, I.E. I'd have work for a couple days every couple of months. So I rejected it, I can't move to LA for a couple days of work. But I visited some other businesses while there and dropped off resumes at every turn, so hopefully something will come out of it. Great job on the tournament updates, as usual. Thanks so much for taking it last minute like that. I can do it the next two weeks (for real this time). Sonictoast 19:09, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

I need some advice
There is (or was) a discussion for merging the badnik page with the Eggman's robots page. There is no reason for the pages not to merge, and, at this point, no everyone has agreed that they should merge and there is no one saying they shouldn't. Of course, no one has actually stepped up to merge the pages. I would do it, but I want your advice on how I should go about it. I'm already going through the pages to see if anything needs to be moved from the Badniks page to the E.R. page. How does one go about a successful merge, redirecting all thinks and all that?Rogue General 21:17, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help.Rogue General 21:42, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

== Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round ~ ==

It is not just that arguement. Cloud has repeatedly gotten into fights with other Users.--Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:22, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

You can find 'em on Admiral's Mult's and his comic blogs.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:34, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

I saw his comments a bit differently, but okay.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:03, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

I will admit that both are my reasons. However, we have a Sandbox for a reason. On top of that, everyone contributes to this wiki, so all of them deserve to have a say in matters concerning the wiki itself, so we can see what the majority of the wiki feels would be best. If that means no changes are made, then so be it.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:32, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the sandbox is for editing and experimenting in a safe environment, I know that. What I'm saying is that the end results of those experiments could be shown to the community before making a decision, giving everyone a chance to think it over and come to a complete conclusion. I mean, what if we made a change that at first everyone enjoyed in the moment, but then in a matter of weeks or months, came to hate and complain about?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:47, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't you prefer to avoid all that grief in the first place?

There's also another thing I think we should talk about: Recent Releases. While I've been away, I've noticed that all mention of the upcoming comic books have been removed. You said it was because they weren't recently released, but upcoming. However, your most recent edit to the Main Page brings a bit of a contradiction to that reason. Since this is the Sonic Wiki focused on everything Sonic, perhaps the mention of the comics should be placed back in there. The months of the releases would be informative as well.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:54, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't want to make unilateral decisions, but this wiki does focus on all things Sonic. If it has red links, it just shows Users what we need and what they can do to contribute.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:17, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Morff, I heard you changed Cloud's ban to a mere 1 month. You do know that he stole copyrighted material and lied about it, don't you? On top of that, the original owner was furious, and demanded that Cloud be taken care of. Is 1 month really a decent ban? I decided against a permanent ban, but what he did is serious business. GM Tails was banned indefinitely, was he not?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 05:14, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Unfortunately, I'm mainly a gamer who often looks at M.E., so the more abstract/lesser-known characters will be difficult, like Molly was.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:16, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

XD Thanks.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:33, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Morff, why'd you change the stuff I put down for some of the battles?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:00, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay. It just seemed like you were thinking they weren't good enough or something.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:14, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Morff, I need you to give adminship privelages to my back-up account, Dragonbreaker. Someone tried to get the password for my main account changed, and it certainly wasn't me. So, in case anything happens to this account, I want to be able to continue my adminship duties on SNN.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:23, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I got an email that told me my password had been changed, and that the request had come from an IP. Considering the IP apparently comes from a telecommunications company in Canada, I'm pretty sure it wasn't me. That's why I want to get admin privelages on my back-up account; in case this one gets hijacked and has to be blocked.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:59, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

No I didn't. I did however block the ***** on here.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:06, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well, Community Wikia is dealing with some stuff, so perhaps a quieter area, like SSN?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:57, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Well, okay.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:09, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'll change it a bit. But really, cursing at that level isn't anything new here.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:29, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well it's not like the word was explicitely said. Believe me, that's better than some of the Users and Wikis around Wikia.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 22:17, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, okay.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:14, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I know, no worries.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:31, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Morff, about the pics for the Tournament: don't you think it would be a good idea that, for some characters, we use their most recent pictures? We're doing so for characters like Vector, but I notice that we're using classic pics for some characters like Sonic.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:50, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Okay.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:02, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Morff, we need to talk! You see, I've just now become aware of a potentially unjustified block performed by an admin. 58 has apparently blocked Mult due to "inappropriate and graphic sprite comics" or something. Looking at his comics, I see nothing explicit or graphic. Hell, this latest one I don't even get! As far as I can see, 58 blocked Mult based on their own personal feelings about his comics. These comics don't break any wiki rules (not even cursing, something SSM's comics are guilty of), so I fail to see why Mult was blocked without notification, or even talking about said comic(s) beforehand for an alternate solution. if I may, I suggest (grudgingly) that mult be unbanned, and 58 be talked to about this situation. blocking due to ones own personal feelings about a matter is in my opinion, one of the absolutely worse things a person can do as an admin!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:48, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well, okay. Seeya 'round Morff.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:56, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Supermorff, I need to talk to you about 58. Specifically, I need to talk to you about her adminship.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:21, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well you see, it seems that 58 has lately been acting almost entirely of her own accord. For example, she freely changed most of the templates as she saw fit, without notifying or consulting anyone else. This is in addition to her changing the headers on the Front Page, and illegitmate banning of Multiverseman. If this isn't enough, now she's saying that fandom should be limited or entirely banned on SNN, a preposterous claim. All of this, coupled with her attitude since her promotion, are making me think that perhaps her adminship should be rescinded. She simply doesn't get that, regardless of her rank, she is not allowed to freely change aspects of the wiki of her own accord, as this wiki is a community. So, that's why I'm coming to see you.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:34, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, no. I haven't decided this on my own; the majority of the wiki is in favor of this as well. As for Monaco, Monobook, and Vector; it is indeed possible for us to have those. A lot has happened while you were gone, but to sum it up, Nero's father, the owner of a company with a hosting site, will be migrating a majority of the Sonic wikis, as well as Non-Sonic wikis. This migration could be better compared to "cloning", as Nero's dad will be able to copy every single scrap of data, including ranks, history, and contributions, and place it on an empty "HuskWiki", basically perfectly cloning the SNN, even including Monaco. With this, the wikis don't have to deal with advertizement, all data is maintained, and with the wiki out from under Wikia's thumb, creative freedom with the wiki belongs to the community of the wiki alone. Unfortunately, since we are not paying clients, the wikis have currently been put on the backburner while Nero's dad works with a paying client, hence why we haven't been moved yet. I hope that clears everything up for you.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:55, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

(eyes spinning) Okay, hosting is free and as far as I can tell, it's permanent. The website is 12pointdeisgn.com I believe. The reason he's the best bet is because every scrap of our data will be copied so we don't have to start from scratch in any sense, it's entirely free, and we don't have to worry about advertizements. He's said that we can have any wikis we want moved, so I assume the servers can handle it. I'm certain that we don't have to worry about dedication, because this is Nero's dad we're talkng about; Nero is determined to help the wikis, so I'm sure it's okay. As for the rest; ask Nero for the answers.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:36, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

We don't have to suck up to Nero; he knows better. And as I said before, all contributions, privelages, and history will be kept. As for who maintains ultimate control, I suppose that will be Nero's dad possible, or someone else.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:32, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if the move is successful, the idea is to tear down the old wikis, so the new ones don't get blacklisted by search engines.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 22:30, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I bet they didn't think of locking all the pages so only admins can edit them, promoting all Users to admins and having them delete all the articles, then wiping out and/or deleting the MediaWiki coding. I figure if old SNN is gonna go out, it might as well go out with a bang.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 22:57, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Nono! The MediaWiki coding is on each and every wiki. It's what allows stuff like editing and archiving. If we take down the MediaWiki coding for Sonic News Network, it will be a total mess. As a total mess, no-one will want to adopt it, and when abandoned, Wikia staff will have to delete the old SNN. Believe me, this might be a bannable offense, but it's not illegal. Besides, if SNN is cutting ties with Wikia, why listen to the Staff anymore?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:12, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Wikia staff don't regularly patroll the wikis, and we hardly get any experienced Users not already from SNN anyway. More than likely, the only people who would come here are inexperienced Users with no idea what to do. With the MediaWiki down, Users wouldn't come here as often. Coupled with the fact that SNN is moved, who would bother wanting the old one back?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:29, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, if SNN is being cloned, then abandoned, why not take down the old Wikia-controlled one? I doubt they'll find out about it, at least for quite a while. And so what if we're banned from old SNN? We won't even be on it anymore, so what does it matter?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:46, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Let me catch you on one of those first ones; absolutely nothing would be done until the move is completely finished, and we know that it has been a success. Besides Morff, if the current SNN stays, then the non-wiki SNN, the one that most of the Users here will be on, will be blacklisted by search engines, and wno't gain any new members or popularity. That's why something has to be done to the old SNN.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 15:42, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

First and foremost, as this wiki belongs to the community, it's obvious this would have to be brought up to everyone else, especially since this concerns all of them. Second, we were talking about 58's adminship being rescinded due to her actions and attitude as of late.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:17, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, partially cuz I don't have a wikia.css. You saw how your link was red, didn't you?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:43, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, and I don't plan to. I refuse to use the skin that Wikia forced on us. Besides, soon enough SNN will be moved, and we won't have to listen to or adhere to Wikia anymore.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:52, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Pardon me morff, but you have been gone and out of the loop for over a month, while I've been on both SNN and SFW, in the middle of all of this. So, I think I know just a little bit more about the situation than you do. Like for one, the move isn't a risky gamble; if something goes wrong, the original will still be here, and we can try again. Second, we won't be splitting the Userbace, because most everyone on the wiki dislikes and/or hates the new skin, and everyone is for or at least willing to go along with the move.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:05, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

The trashing part I still have to bring up on SNN; the idea was more or less agreed upon for SFW at the very least, so the past could be let go of, and no-one would have to maintain the old SFW that no-one would care about anymore. The moving part has basically been established on my latest blogs, from "SNN's Viewpoint" to "Dissappointment...". It's all been going on for the month you've been gone.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:32, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm going by the same logic 58 did. We've got several Users who are distinctly in favor of this, with next to no opposition to the move. The rest of the Users seem to be willing to go along with the move, or simply don't care.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:24, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Sides, the move has plenty of upsides for SNN.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:34, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Complete creative freedom, and Wikia having absolutely no control over the wiki are two more.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:46, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

.....Do I really have to be specific? *waves hand to the skin*--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:09, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, we're limited on what skins we can and can't use. Outside of Wikia, hell we could make our own skin!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:16, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

It was only an example.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:25, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

There was also his comments about Shelly on the forum I made when she was gone for a week with no-one knowing why. Here. Twice now he has insulted Shelly, trolling the forum I made, and her blog about an issue she is very passionate about. I'm not going to stand by while someone trolls one of SNN's most well-known Users, a bureaucrat, and my friend.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:36, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

58SlugDrones!
Can you do the tournament updates this week? Sonictoast 18:10, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Groovy, well I can do next week and probably the following two weeks as well.Sonictoast 21:38, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I invited Kagi to help write the descriptions on the User:Supermorff/Battles page. I thought we could use a little help, and he accepted. I hope you're okay with that. Sonictoast 15:10, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Morff, I know I said I could do the change overs this week, but spur the moment I got a call and now I am traveling for a job interview this weekend and I do not know how much internet access I will have Sunday night. Is there anyway you could possibly do the updates this week? Sonictoast 04:52, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much.Sonictoast 13:22, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, SORRY!
Hi! Sorry about that...got confused, can you please explain to me how you can make a fan page seperate to the one I all ready have?

PS: REALLY sorry! -User:Boo-yah!101 2010 25 August

Oh, thank you! That helps alot!:) -User:Boo-yah!101 25 August 2010

Interview
Well, it's been a long time comin Supermorff. So, where do ya want to hold your Featured User interview? Can't be here on SNN.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 01:00, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Forgot your reaction to being Featured User. It's not an actual question, but it's somethin I ask for a quote.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:26, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

That'll work XD--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 22:39, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Admin help
Hey, Supermoff. I'm an admin on the Viewtiful Joe Wiki. We have recently decided to change our name to the "Viewtiful Joe World Cinema", and we have changed this in most places, but we seemed to have missed some spots. For example, wehn I receive e-mail updates from here, it says I have messages on the Sonic News Network, but when I receive updates there, it still says I have messages on the Viewtiful Joe Wiki.

Any pointers?

-<font color="#000000">SalaComMander 02:01, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ok then...thanks anyway.

-<font color="#000000">SalaComMander 17:37, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

sRun By You
Hey Supermorff,

i noticed that it was you that uploaded all the articles on extreme gear, and i just wanted to let you know that i am uploading some pics of the gears, or at least the ones that i could get my hands on, and i just thought i would run it by you. hopefully you can check the pics and let me know if you want it differntly as in just the gear or something, anyway, thanks in advance.

P.S. You most likely don't know me and stuff but congrats on featured user.

Check hang on.

Red shadows 22:58, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for finding those pictures. I'll see what I can do them.Sonictoast 15:30, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. Yeah, I was hoping nobody would notice Ebony's legs. I google searched her for hours one night, but the only full body shots I could find were fan art. So sure enough I used just put the top half of her body from her article picture onto the legs of a fan picture I found on Deviantart. If you can find an official full body shot of her, I could edit out the background again and we could replace this one. Sonictoast 22:23, September 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * This took a butt load of photoshopping. Whataya think? Sonictoast 03:54, September 12, 2010 (UTC) [[File:Mecha-sonic Stc 1.png]]
 * Holy Toast, I just realized you have 0ver 17000 edits, that is insane. Way to go. Anyway, yeah, I can do the changeovers tonight. Can you do next week though? Sonictoast 15:35, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Murphyshane
You rock supermoff!!! Ty Rezac 21:06, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome! :) Ty Rezac 21:16, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Changeovers this week
Hey Morff. I can do changeovers this week unless you want to do them. I'm good either way.Sonictoast 06:43, September 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think giving someone a trial run this week is a great idea. But if no one volunteers, you take this week and I'll cover the next 5.Sonictoast 15:39, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

The script is downloadable here: http://www.x-cult.org/games/39/Sonic_the_Hedgehog/1244/Game_Script/

However I didn't download it, I have the fear it may contain a virus or some sort. But Sonic Retro has the content written in Blaze's page in the trivia section. Anyways, I would appreciate it if you would tell me what underendowed means, I can't find it in the dictionary. Never mind.--58SlugDrones! 16:11, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Funny Pic.
Yeah, I read through those whole comics so far, they are hilarious. Did you hear about the contest they are holding to win the original pages that Yardley drew? I'm thinking of entering. Sonictoast 19:21, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I appreciate that you have answered me. But I wish I never asked you. I think you know why.--58SlugDrones! 13:30, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, well I couldn't find the meaning but I got so impatient about putting this "new" information... now I know how you know what  it is. Should I let the information stay?... I mean well, it is...--58SlugDrones! 16:57, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Well, is that information anywhere necessary?--58SlugDrones! 17:12, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it is official so it should stay no matter how useless it sounds. I think it's fine.. --58SlugDrones! 17:39, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Whoops sorry 55 Skcor Ezalb 21:07, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, Supermorff. I had blocked User:Multiverseman for continuously creating offensive sprite comics even when I had warned him about it. I have blocked him for 1 week as I cannot tolerate such behavior. But, now I have a doubt, is it right to block him?--58SlugDrones! 09:36, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

I do not wish to recall. You should see for yourself, but then again, I do not wish to harm your eyes.--58SlugDrones! 10:22, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Uh... so 1 week is enough, right? Anyways, I am erasing the above message, I simply do not have the guts to say such things, as I had never said or written words like the above in my life. I don't how is Multiverseman so bad and shameless that he can add such things on the internet. I would never do such bad things. Isn't he afraid? Doesn't he feel fear or doubt on what he is doing? Doesn't he care about how other people like me would feel if they would see his comics? How can he find such things funny? How old is he that he can use these things and even know what these words mean? He is the user I dislike most in this wiki, I could never tolerate this guy, if I were to see him in real-life I would severely beat him up and I think it is justice to physically damage him because of his evil mind. I myself, do beat up such people in real-life, especially when I try to teach them, they do not understand and swear at my face in-front of everybody and tell me that I am not their boss. They don't even realize that I am teaching them good. I never leave such people. Sorry, but I cannot spare this guy much longer. Thus, I feel that 1 week is too less for him.--58SlugDrones! 10:21, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

I had already warned him before, but he had ignored the message and continued. Okay fine, I am sorry and I ask for another chance. I will unblock him and apologize. But I have always wished for a policy about vulgarity in this wiki but I can only make one if you would allow me to. Thus, I will stop beating people up, even when they harass me when I try to teach them good. I hope you haven't mistaken me as a rash person, I am very calm and gentle but I hate being ignored or harassed. I hate misbehavior.--58SlugDrones! 10:45, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

a question
doe's amy have toes? Kingdomcode 19:51, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

featured user
What featured user? Mesuxelf (talk) 11:19, October 10, 2010 (UTC) Mesuxelf  (talk) 11:19, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

The background
Remember the background you made, with the Sonic heads? Could you make it work with MonoBook? SeanWheeler 20:31, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back, Supermorff!

I'd hate to be a bother, but the cobwebs need to be cleaned off my adminship nomination. 21:03, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Good to have you back. 21:14, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sure am glad you're back, a lot of crazy cranberries have been going on since you left. Sonictoast 01:47, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, Supermorff. Good to have you back.--58SlugDrones! 15:38, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

What do think of the new voices for Sonic Tails, Knuckles, Jet, Amy etc?--58SlugDrones! 15:44, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Good to hear that someone else likes the voices. I thought I was the only one, no one likes Sonic's voice in this website. I don't really care about the voices -- I do but not as much as everyone else -- but really, I like Sonic's voice better than Tails'.

If you like the new voices for Sonic and Tails then you should check these out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLJzv9TfQKY&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4WRZPaCHH0&feature=player_embedded

Tell me your opinions about the voices. If you can't tell who is talking when then I can tell you.--58SlugDrones! 15:58, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

You don't know what several characters sound like? You don't need to play the game to know the voices, never mind I don't check on cutscenes for voices I just check them for you know a Sonic fan needs to know the story of a game. I myself wouldn't bother if there were no more cutscenes in Sonic games.

Anyways, the first one who talks in the first video is Amy then Sonic then Cream then Vector then Omochao then Tails then Knuckles then Shadow then Rouge then Omochao then Rouge and last Omochao.

And in the second video, the girly voice is Wave's the low-pitched one is Storm's and right after Storm talks Jet (the light voice that says something to Sonic).

I like all of the new voices.--58SlugDrones! 16:15, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Good to hear that you have the same opinions as I do. You are very pleasant and not like the rest of the fans who are intolerable in my point of view.

Actually, I really like Rouge's voice, I personally never liked her old one at all. You are right, Knuckles sounds the same. Cream, in my opinion sounds really cute. Shadow's voice... is it me or did his accent change?--58SlugDrones! 16:35, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

'cuse me Morff, but do you think it would be jumping the gun if I mention of my RfA that I should be becoming a Beaurcrat at another major wiki I edit on? I made the adoption request at Central, and since I'm the only active user there (The last Admin's edit was in June of 2009, oh my. . .) it's pretty well cemented that my adoption request will be approved. 21:12, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

I'm referring to my soon-to-be-granted Beaurcracy. 21:44, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Point 1: True, I'll hold off until then.

Point 2: Well, it worked, now if only that can be implemented on my blogs. . . 21:58, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Saying hi, it's Phineas Ferb!
Hello, I'm Cameron, and I also think that this wiki was a good idea.I play Sonic and the Black Knight ALL THE TIME at my friends house. I'm sorry, as you can see on my blog, I like to use the shift key. I look forward to using the wiki and meeting new people!

Saying hi, it's Phineas Ferb!
Hello, I'm Cameron, and I also think that this wiki was a good idea.I play Sonic and the Black Knight ALL THE TIME at my friends house. I'm sorry, as you can see on my blog, I like to use the shift key. I look forward to using the wiki and meeting new people!by: "The Caminator" 23:01, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

More Cranberries
Yeah, I did the thing and it is better than before. Still not as good as the wiki used to be, but better, thanks for that. So yeah, this move thing is one of those crazy cranberries I mentioned before. So at first an offer to buy the wiki came from FTCR.com or find the computer room, whatever you want to call it. No one ever asked me about it, but I found them to be a very ambitious website with plans on becoming big like the Sonic Stadium or Sonic Retro. I was all for joining them, thinking we'd finally get a little respect in the Sonic community. But now, reading over your talk page, it appears someone rejected that offer and now want some user's Dad to sponsor the site? That seems pathetic and lame and I'd rather stay where we are. Sonictoast 16:38, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Sorry I blew it with the tournament updates this week, leaving three of the previous winners up, I guess I just got so wrapped up in the numbers I completely forgot about the names. Kagi pitched in with the Tournament a little. I finally got a new job about a month ago, the job is great, but I haven't been able to be on SNN too much lately. But I for one am really glad you are back. You are like a guardian over SNN keeping things in order. I think if you ever left permanently, this wiki would fall apart. Anyway, sorry I'm being kind of ranty, it's late where I am and it has been a long day of work.

So anyway, about this move, I don't think we should be jumping into it yet. I think we should call a meeting with all the active admins. In this meeting we should thoroughly discuss the pros and cons of moving and maybe even vote on the matter. If the pros outweigh the cons and a majority of the admins are for it, we should go ahead and move, but if it is the opposite, we should stay. This is really something I think we should all do together, not have some of us stay and some of us move and have two identical wikis. It should be all or nothing. What are your thoughts on this idea?Sonictoast 05:34, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Changeovers
I was planning on doing the changeovers for the tournament tonight, unless of courses you wanted to do them since you haven't been around for a while. Your call. Sonictoast 18:46, November 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll go ahead and take care of it tonight. Sonictoast 03:22, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

I would not be present for a while. So can you please change the poll on the main page every week and change the message board on the home page? Looking forward for your participation.--58SlugDrones! 14:39, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Are you up for doing the tournament changeovers for this week? Sonictoast 05:51, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, Supermorff. Can you please help me out here? http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:58SlugDrones!/Debate_On_New_Voices_(Please_Join_The_Discussion) --58SlugDrones! 10:14, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Great, you do it then. Thanks. here is the page where you wrote out all the steps for changeovers: Forum:Sonic Tournament Characters. That should make it easier for you. I still reference it every time. Sonictoast 04:41, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Great job on the changeovers! Its just like riding a bike, right? So I'll take next week, but thanks so much for doing it this time. I've been getting pretty tired of doing it every week. Kagi did it one week, but it was his first time and all so I had to do some clean up duty, but he did pretty good overall. Sonictoast 03:42, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking of changing the color of the character and videogame info-boxes to a more deeper shade of blue. Can I test it?--58SlugDrones! 09:42, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

I did change the color directly on it's page (without the sandbox), the change came on the it's page but not on other pages. Do you know why?--58SlugDrones! 09:51, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

I see, thank you. I just feel doubtful about changing the template because Kagi always stops me.--58SlugDrones! 10:00, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Heh, thanks again. I guess everyone does know that Kagi starts scolding me resulting me in trouble. It's embarrassing.--58SlugDrones! 10:07, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

I will always try to change this wiki I can't help myself. I want it to look more Sonic-like than Wikia-like. I want this place to sound more independent than to make readers think that we are under wikia I want this site to look professional to the next-level. I have very cool and complicated HTML codes for the Monaco, unfortunately it is gone but when we move, I would like to test them. Apparently a month ago I tried, but none would work, I don't know what the problem is. Perhaps you can help me sometime when you and I are free, I can see that you are really good at HTML. I have always wanted to discuss that with you. Care to help sometime?--58SlugDrones! 12:16, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Well, you are better than me. I just know the code but I can't fix it, this happens with anything I do.--58SlugDrones! 03:40, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

You are right. We don't have it. I think I can fix this up, thanks.

Uh, do you know how to implement it? Because I do not get it.--58SlugDrones! 13:01, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

"Kagi doesn't like change period"

 * ) I admit, I don't particularly like change, that's true. But the problem I have with 58's actions is that she changes templates, infoboxes, and all of that how she sees fit, without even notifying the rest of the wiki. In other words, she makes a completely unilateral decision regardless of how the wiki might feel. I really have a problem with her doing this, repeatedly, because a wiki is a community, where everyone is supposed to be involved in making changes to things. If you recall, FFF once gave LB the authorization to change the infoboxes how he (LB) wanted to. This resulted in several Users being furious, because not only was the design gaudy and generally disliked or hated, but it was done with anyone even being told about the change. On SFW, fights would break out because the admins made decisions without letting the rest of the wiki have a say in it. I don't like change in general, but I really don't like it when it's done without anyone else getting a say in the matter. It undermines our fellow Users, gives the message that their opinion doesn't matter, and runs the risk of causing conflict. I especially don't like such actions taking place here on SNN, because I learned that admins are supposed to act on behalf of the community- not their own opinions- from SNN. I have continuously tried to explain this to 58; so she'll understand, and also not runthe risk of being flamed by the community for her actions, but she refuses to understand, still acting on her own opinions alone. That is why I suggested her adminship be rescinded.
 * ) Please tell 58 that if she has a problem with me she needs to say it to my face, because something I hate even more than what I described above, is people talking about their issues with me behind my back, rather than having the guts to say it to my face.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:59, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that. Ofcourse I won't do it now, I know this place is moving so I should prevent myself from this. I am planning to do this after the move. Don't worry, I think I have this under-control.

By the way. I know these two really large and complicated HTMLs that can change this website forever, well, in a good way. Apparently they are confusing to understand, and even if I think I have understood, I try it but it fails. With no change at all. But they are only for Monaco. I want to show them to you but since we don't have Monaco I don't think I can explain well to you on what they can do. What me to try tell you what they do or are you too busy?

Oh yeah, I won't be around very much. Again. I have my mocks (if you know what they are) from the school for my preparation of the Cambridge Exams. I will be taking a Cambridge Board Exam in Asia not England on May 2011, so there are really busy months for me. These papers are my future and I have to prepare, so I guess I will be cutting off SNN soon. You can inform others if they complain on why am I not around, since I am only telling you.--58SlugDrones! 13:33, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for wishing me luck! I appreciate it! Good luck to you too! I am not sure on when I will be gone though, perhaps during December if things aren't too serious. But I'll let you know on time. As for the jobs, sure I will give them to you (uh... you mean the two HTMLs I was talking about right?). By the way when are your exams, which subjects are you taking and which grade are you in? Just asking because it's good to hear the someone else in this site as his exams too.--58SlugDrones! 13:59, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

The reason I revert her edits is because of both reasons; I don't like the change, and I really don't like her changing stuff without talking to anyone. And rather than just giving everyone a little surprise, and running the risk of getting people ticked, she could make a blog, or put the possible change on the talkpage of said template. I keep getting on her back about this not because I dislike her, but because I'd rather not see her get flamed when she ends up making a particularly big change without letting the community know. These templates are things everyone has to use and look at, so everyone should have a say in how they are or aren't changed. Otherwise, Users could end up thinking that their opinions don't matter, and that they have to go along with whatever's decided. Something I find perturbing is that Users seem to already think that, considering many people not getting involved in wiki affairs. It's either that they think their opinion doesn't count, or they just don't care. I just don't want 58 getting her butt bitten off for her changing stuff without peoples' permission; it's not just templates even. She's also on several occasions messed with the MediaWiki coding without telling anyone beforehand, which has never gone well (i.e. It messes with the wiki, and I have to change it back). Like I said before, if she keeps going, she'll think she can change whatever she wants without telling people, and that's gonna get her fried one of these days. The reason I'm so staunchly against changing things, then seeing what people think of it, is because 1) It runs the risk of really ticking people off and riling them up, and 2) if people don't like it, then it ends up being a waste of work and effort. I've got nothing against her personally, but 58's actions could end up getting her on the bad side of most people on SNN.

In fact, there are already some people she's ticked off or upset since she's gained her adminship. Lev says that her personality changed for the worse when she became an admin, and Gen really doesn't like her actions and attitude as of late. Let's just look at how she treated Mult even! On top of that, the user Bunnyboo500 seems to have gotten on her bad side, judging by the message she (Bunnyboo) left Shelly. Like I said, I personally have nothing against her, but her actions lately seem fueled by her own ambitions to change the wiki, rather then helping out and protecting the wiki. How many admins have you seen try to make big changes to the wiki right after gaining adminship, without already trying to do so beforehand?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 15:39, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

The reason I revert her edits is because we all have to look at and deal with the templates; she has no right to change them how she alone sees fit. No-one has the right to make unilateral decisions like that, and the fact that 58 continues to do so despite my repeated explanations about this, is what's really annoying me. The templates, infoboxes, and coding don't belong to her; they belong to the community as a whole, and as such the community should say when and how things are changed. It's much like how Wikia Central forced this new look upon the wikis.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:44, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

(frustrated groan) You're not getting it Morff, and the sarcasm really doesn't help. You created those, out of neccessity, with no previous version of what you created. Alright, look at it this way: some admin suddenly decides to re-write the rules of the wiki, without letting the rest of the community know or make a decision on it. That would obviously piss people off, because everyone has to live with the rules, not just the person who changed them. Sure, they can easily be undone, or they could even be for the better, but it doesn't change the fact that it was done without consulting the rest of the community. it sends a message that the opinion of the wiki's community doesn't matter, that their opinion doesn't count when it comes to the wiki, and that they don't have a say in anything; that only the admins make decisions, and everyone else just has to live with it. Lately it seems like the community doesn't care or doesn't want part in making decisions, right? Well 58 keeps sending the message that "I don't care what the rest of the wiki thinks, I think the [template/wiki/page] looks better this way, so everyone else just has to live with it", intentionally or otherwise. It may not seem like a big deal to you, but do you really wanna risk allowing 58 to just do what she alone sees fit, regardless of what it says to the rest of the wiki? We want people to be involved, right? To help make decisions so that the wiki can be the best for everyone, right? Well if that's the case, then we have to show that the opinion of the community does actually mean something, and is actually valued. Allowing 58 to continue changing everything to what she alone sees fit says that not only does the community's opinion count, but the opinion of her fellow admins doesn't count either.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:19, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

That's the point, she isn't making these changes on behalf of or for the members of the wiki; she's changing the templates and messing with the coding because she thinks it needs to be changed; she's not consulting the rest of us about this. Regardless of whether or not she thinks it's best for the wiki doesn't matter; what matters is the majority opinion of the wiki. If she'd just stop acting like she's free to change whatever the hell she wants, and actually listen to the rest of us, I wouldn't have a problem. Because then, the community would be deciding which templates are changed, and how, instead of just a single admin.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 22:16, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Not that! The last image I edited!Moon the Hedgehog's power level is higher than Frieza's!! 02:01, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well, actually I am not British. I am American but I don't live there I live in Asia, in a country where American Education is rare. I take Science subjects like Biology Chemistry and Physics but I am not taking those in May 2011. I am taking History, Geography and Islamiat. I will take Bio, Chem, Phy, Eng and Math in 2012.

Sure you can take the jobs! I would be glad! --58SlugDrones! 02:29, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I am very grateful for your support. If it weren't for you would we have this skin? Remember at that time LB and Kagi didn't want a skin but you supported my idea. If it weren't for you would I have tried changing the headings for the main-page? Thanks alot Supermorff. Thankyou for talking a long conversation through with Kagi. Thanks for everything! You made my place in this wiki, if it weren't for your support I wouldn't have tried to improve the wiki at all. You always did let me. Thanks alot.--58SlugDrones! 11:35, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I don't want people asking me, I want people asking the rest of the wiki so as to get a majority opinion before making changes we all have to live with.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:48, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

If we made it clear that user opinion is wanted and valued, perhaps they would respond. When I brought up non-Sonic characters on the SNN talkpage, asking for everyone's opinion on the matter, people got involved.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:54, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

The duplicate is here. The duplicate is png, sow it should stay. The first one is. This one is jpg, so I think that the first should be deleted, and the duplicate should remain.Moon the Hedgehog's power level is higher than Frieza's!! 00:47, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I am going GCSE. I am doing IGCSE which is the latest format, I am in year two (IGCSE is for 3 years) so, technically I am in 9th grade, I never knew you were so big. I also agree, Kagi hadn't got his mind changed one bit.--58SlugDrones! 10:32, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I have not finalized on when I am leaving. I may be gone for months. Well, you can say that I won't be active here at all in 2011. From January to June I will certainly not be here on SNN. I might come back in the beginning of June if I lose my chance to go to USA and attend E3. But I won't be around this weekend, and the Weekly Poll needs to be changed. Well, right now my condition is "coming and going" over and over again on this site. I guess you should take my jobs now, I won't be doing them from today. Good luck, here is what you do:


 * Make a Weekly Sonic-related poll.
 * Try coming up with News and Updates going around this website or the World of Sonic.
 * Inform anyone who tries to send me message that I am not available and I will reply later. (I suggest you do this later)

I guess that's pretty much it. I am looking forward for your participation, buddy!--58SlugDrones! 10:49, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

That "pointless red tape" makes sure that, regardless of the outcome, everyone knows that they were at least able to speak their opinion on the matter, and everyone can be satisfied with the fact that they were at least heard out. Something that can seriously sway any future matters SNN may have. In addition, there's also the impression being made on Users who could very well be the next admins of this site. I know it made an impression on me when I learned from the admins here that everyone's opinions should be heard.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:24, November 24, 2010 (UTC)