Sonic News Network:Requests for User Rights

Requests for User Rights is the process by which this wiki's community decides who will be promoted to a new user right (Administrator, Bureaucrat, Chat Moderator or Rollback). A user either submits his/her own request for a promotion (a self-nomination) or is nominated by another user. Please become familiar with the Administrators' how-to guide before submitting your request (if you are requesting adminship). This process is modeled around Wikipedia's RfA process, and more information can be found at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship.

Layout
The following layout must be used for all new nominations. Nominators are encouraged to use the following code as a template, added as a new section under the current nominations and customized for the specific nominee.

Word bubbles must not be used as they interfere with numbering, and signatures must contain no line breaks. Signatures must contain a link to the relevant user's user page but no links to the pages of other users.

Username (rank requested)
Username (talk): Contributions Edit Count

Short section describing nominee's suitability for rank requested. Signature of nominator to be included at end of paragraph, along with the date of nomination.


 * For nominations by other users only, a single bulleted paragraph by the nominee accepting the nomination. Signature of nominee to be included at end of paragraph.

Discussion

 * Comments in short, signed, bulleted paragraphs.
 * Responses to specific comments should be offset with an extra asterisk. Responses should also be short, signed, single paragraphs.

Note: Adminship is not taken lightly. Nominators may want to spend time on their requests. The short section should cover reasons why the nominee would be expected to use admin tools appropriately and demonstrate that they are dedicated to the wiki. It should also explain why giving them such tools will further the aims of the wiki.

Discussion
Once a nomination has been made, users will review the nominee and declare their support or opposition by placing a short comment and their signature in the 'Support' or 'Oppose' sections (in the format of a numbered list, i.e. preceded by #). As above, word bubbles must not be used as they interfere with numbering and there must be no line breaks. Signatures must contain a link to the relevant user's user page but no links to the pages of other users. Do not try and include your entire thought process in such comments; only include the key reason or reasons for your vote.

At the same time, users are encouraged to explain their decision in the 'Discussion' section.

The 'Discussion' section can be used for further commentary or for asking the nominee questions in order to clarify your position. Comments must be short, single paragraphs in a bulleted list and include a signature. Again, do not use word bubbles, even if you frequently use one on talk pages.

Direct responses to a bulleted comment (e.g. by the nominee) should be placed directly after the comment and indented with one additional bullet point. (That is, a comment preceded by a single asterisk * would be followed by a comment preceded by two asterisks **. If you have trouble formatting lists in this way, it is recommended that you go to Special:Preferences and deactivate the visual editor under the 'Editing' tab.)

Any user can contribute to the discussion or declare support or opposition, but opinions have more weight if backed up by reasons and evidence (e.g. occasions in which the nominee has done particularly good or bad work). The opinions of long-standing users, particularly current administrators, will also tend to hold more weight than recently-joined or inexperienced users.

Resolution
Adminship and bureaucrat nominations will last for two weeks; rollback and chat moderator nominations will last for one week. In this time, nominations must have received a sufficient number of participants in order to be valid. For rollback or chat mod requests, 5 users must have participated. For adminship requests, 10 users must have participated. For bureaucrat requests, 15 users must have participated. Nominations that have not reached this quorum level at the end of the relevant period have failed. (Note that participants include those who comment in the discussion section of a nomination.)

This is not a majority vote. It is an attempt to assess the community's consensus regarding the candidate. The candidate should have the support of most of the community, so if the vote is close, the candidate will probably not be given adminship.

After the time frame for the promotion the user is asking for has passed, a bureaucrat (a user who has even more rights than an administrator, and can give other users admin rights) will read through the request, determine the community's consensus about whether the nominee should be promoted, and close the discussion. The discussion will be removed from this page, but is still accessible through the page's edit history.

Demotion discussions will last as long and require the same number of participants as promotion discussions about the same rank.

If a nominee decides at any time that they do not wish to pursue a promotion for themselves, they are welcome to remove the discussion entirely before it comes to a conclusion. However, a nominee is not permitted to remove a demotion request.

A nominator is entitled to remove any discussion they have posted (including a demotion request) if no other users have yet commented.

Advice
Here are some pieces of advice for nominators and nominees:
 * Follow the process as described above. Failure to do so will harm your chances of success.
 * Demonstrate that you understand what being an admin involves. Read through Help:Administrators' how-to guide if you are not familiar with the role.
 * Being a good user is not sufficient to be made an admin. Do not bring up number of edits, number of pages created, being nice to other users, not engaging in vandalism, or knowledge of the Sonic series. Only users widely recognized as good users should be nominated for adminship (those that have not demonstrated this through their work will have their nominations rejected quickly) and they do not need to prove this again during the debate for adminship.
 * Don't expect that the community will be familiar with your work. You must provide evidence. In its simplest form, this may include listing pages (or talk pages) where you have been particularly influential, but preferably you should provide a link to the Diff pages of major edits you make.
 * Don't expect that the community will necessarily be aware of your nomination. You are advised to request comments from regular users, particularly admins (a list of whom can be found here). Note, however, that only asking your own friends to comment is usually transparent and may harm your chances in the long run.
 * If you are an admin on another wiki site, this can provide good evidence of your suitability for adminship, assuming either you have been granted adminship in recognition of the work you have done on the site (as opposed to receiving it because you founded the site or were one of the only users) or you have been an effective admin having received the privileges. You must provide a link to the site in question.
 * Don't lie, as doing so will almost certainly result in a failed nomination.
 * Remember that this is not a talk page. Please keep discussions relevant to the matter at hand and do not start to chat. For instance, try not to thank everybody who votes in your favour.
 * The ideal candidate is one who is being prevented from carrying out work by the limitations of their user rights. If you can demonstrate that you would have used admin rights in the past (e.g. by tagging pages for deletion that were subsequently deleted, or informing an admin about a vandal that was subsequently blocked), provide evidence for this. Don't attempt to influence the discussion by promising to do something or act differently if you are successful, as this is a sign that you are not yet ready.
 * Don't talk about things that you don't do, only things that you do do.
 * Please be civil!
 * Don't be biased. In your reasons for voting, do not state such things as because you are "best friends" with a nominee. Your vote will not weigh greatly in your claim if others view it as biased.
 * Forgetting to provide any of the above requested information in the layout of your nomination will weigh heavily on your request. It is highly recommended that before publishing your nomination, you should preview often to ensure the links that you provide as well as the required links of the layout are formatted correctly and will successfully transmit your voters to the desired source. Grammar and spelling errors are not wise to leave in your request either. Again, preview often and proofread your nomination before submitting it. Ensure that your nomination sounds proper and is easy for other readers to flow through it without needing to pause at a misspelling or a confusing statement.

Current nominations
Here are the users who are currently nominated for sysop, rollback, bureaucrat, or other privileges. New nominations must be added below this line.

MetalShadow272 (Demotion of Chat Moderator)
MetalShadow272 (talk): Contributions Edit Count

As you all may or may not know, MetalShadow272 has been acting out recently. He's proven he is incapable of holding the position of chat moderator not just today, but over the course of the past few months.

MetalShadow272 has been acting very immature lately. Just today, he insulted an entire fanbase and offended several users on chat because of it, including myself. He later left chat out of anger, and continued to insult the users via private message on third party software to another user of the wiki.

He has not acted immature just today. Remember, he was demoted from chat moderator originally because he was acting immature. He was later promoted again because we believed he had stopped with his behavior. A few months later, he continued with said behavior. When Bullet Francisco was still on the wiki, he had talked behind his back saying hurtful words to other users of the wiki. He also offends other users (though sometimes unintentionally) on the chat, when he also gets offended by slight things himself.

The events on chat today is not the sole reason he should be demoted, as you can see above. He constantly makes abrasive remarks to other users, and often makes offensive jokes. He has proven himself incapable of holding the position of chat moderator. The constant immature behavior, hurtful remarks, and offensive jokes has gone too far, and action should be taken. --- 04:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

If you are yet convinced, I have proof of Metal insulting and admiting his actions towards the night of 3/9/13 and his personal attack towards user Bullet Francisco.

Link: http://pastebin.com/970mUACB

Also note the language he uses--- 18:53, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Being the poster. --- 04:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) I've noticed a change in his behavlor that I consider unacceptable. I support. 04:46, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) I support. I mean seriously, no offence Metal. Pacmansonic138 (talk) 05:02, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) Yes: In addition to what is said in the demotion, and what Fly said about his incapability to handle a demotion situation stated in the discussion section. 16:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) I'm going to have to change my vote at this point. Fly has presented enough evidence to convince me Metal is currently incapable of holding his position. 18:21, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6) ^Per Sacor. Upon seeing Fly's more recent sentiments, I have decided to support again. Time Biter  "The Rift"  18:35, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * 7) Until now, in all the time I've been part of this wiki, I've noticed nothing unacceptable in Metal's behaviour whatsoever. My vote may be slightly inaccurate seeing as I wasn't on chat last night when Metal was. However, I've read through Fly's evidence thoroughly and observed with horror at the irateness of his speech in the link he posted. This is appalling. I've known Metal long enough, but clearly not well enough. He can be mature when he needs to, but when he's not, it's a disaster. This is awful behaviour for any old user, let alone a chat moderator. I expect better - a LOT better - from someone like Metal. 19:13, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * 8) Per Sacor. -- Mega http://images.wikia.com/sonic/images/d/d9/Super.gif  Speedy  00:35, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * 9) I'm forced to agree based on what Unleashead told me.
 * 10) I pretty much agree with everyone, especially Solace and Unleashed. 02:39, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * 11) Alright, I had to decided for a while on this demotion. I was originally going to put neutral but Fly's evidence about his "language" that I find shocking is completely unacceptable. Metal has been immature since I've met him; I remember one time Bullet told him not to type little messages so fast, as he posted eight messages on chat in about a two minute time span. I also remember another user who hated Disney and he went berserk on it. He also seemed very mad when SpyroSonic2000 one time said "...this year I learned that Republicans are... Wait, I'm not suppose to talk about politics on chat" and Metal replied "I'm insulted" and left. I didn't see him for the rest of that said day. And finally, I will admit, I was sided with Metal during the forum about Bullet telling people about rules that aren't on chat, even though that was a set-up to get Bullet demoted. Bullet (a very humble admin, IMO) did get on to me and we never did get along all of the time, but why would Metal want to harm Bullet? You know why? Metal had a grudge on Bullet, saying stuff behind his back and he lead me to say something bad on that forum directed to Bullet. That was one of the reasons why Bullet left; bad comments directed to him. I'm guilty as to anyone who sided with Metal during this. Metal's behavior has also taken a turn. Recently, his behavior to other users has went lower and lower and lower. In fact, I believe he said that he doesn't like swearing. Well, Fly has proof that means he was lying. I'm very disappointed in Metal. I never expected anything like this. I support this demotion, only because Fly (and the users above) had lead me to support this demotion. Metal is also another reason why I believe in his demotion: his behavior is unacceptable, his ways have gone too far. Sorry, Metal, but you cause this on you. BlueSpeeder (talk) 20:21, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * 12) Well from past experience he has supported the person that has donr wrong to me, giving me a huge talk and not speaking to the other person that was speaking, sorry metal but thats not right,Sonicstyle101 I am the best morolian ever (talk) 01:07, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * 13) I've taken the time to review all the comments and evidence presented in this discussion, and I've made by decision: I'm casting a supporting vote in having MetalShadow Chat Mod privileges revoked. While I haven't been around to witness the behaviors mentioned and elaborated on in this discussion personally, I feel that the Users who support his demotion have done enough effort on their part to make a convincing enough case against MetalShadow. I think that there's nothing I could add to this that hasn't already been stated by everyone else here in some shape or form, so I will not say anything more other than this final comment, towards MetalShadow himself:


 * I'll be completely honest, I'm disappointed with your recent behavior towards other Users as of late, especially since (if I recall this correctly) I was one of the people who originally supported you re-acquiring your Chat Mod rights in the not-too-distant past. I really thought that by giving you a second chance to use your rights responsibly and showing you that some of us really do care about you and how you choose to act around others that, in time, your behavior would steadily improve until you are known around the Wiki only for the positive qualities that you already do possess while developing new positive qualities as well. Everyone deserves a chance to grow into their full potential, after all.


 * However, it seems as though my faith in you has possibly been misplaced... at least for now, hopefully. Make no mistake though; while I do hope you can continue to grow into a better person not just on the Internet but in real life as well, so long as you continue to display the behavior that I have witnessed being presented and discussed in this forum, I'm afraid that you will not have my support in maintaining your status as one of this Wiki's Chat Mods... not while I'm still active. You have my sincerest apologies MetalShadow, but I'm afraid you've left me no choice. If you can believe it, I really do mean what I say when I said that, deep down, I still believe that you can accomplish great things with yourself by taking the right path in life. For now I can only hope that you'll make decisions which won't make traveling such a path too difficult, if not impossible. Lloyd the Cat  "I don't die. I just go on adventures."  23:24, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

VOTING IS NOW CLOSED

Oppose

 * 1) Offensive jokes? Last time I checked, everyone laughed at his jokes. Oh, and Metal was only trying to expose Bullet Francisco, because of bad things he did. And, he was not trying to insult anyone. He only left the chat, because he didn't want any conflicts. (Ohmygod123 (talk) 05:14, March 10, 2013 (UTC))
 * 2) Perhaps OMG, even though i was not here to see this. However due to my past experiences with him i am sure that he has done nothing wrong last time i checked. Metal is good friend (however this might just because i have  a close connection with in Cartoons and thing), he might act immature but it is not the bad kind. I have never seen him give an offense that was on purpose. When a problem goes wrong he acts serious. just last week the whole chat tried to help Style with a problem he was facing and Metal was one of the few. Also whenever i speak to him via PM he gives good advice and helps out a lot. Also  the other day with Style is that he said something innapropriate on chat so asked Fly to help me out, Fly didn't know what to do and had to ask Metal and they decided to go with a warning. And if he has done something wrong and offends people usually doesn't mean and aplogizes. I see nothing wrong with the way he acts as far as I seen.

VOTING IS NOW CLOSED

Discussion
[3/14/2013 10:19:10 PM] SplashTheHedegie: alright i have told the wiki about your comic being cancelled [3/14/2013 10:22:12 PM] SplashTheHedegie: you there? [3/14/2013 10:25:31 PM] Walt Disney: Yeah. Just typin' something. [3/14/2013 10:25:37 PM] SplashTheHedegie: ah ok [3/14/2013 10:26:55 PM] SplashTheHedegie: i met someone who likes both sonic and Adventure time! is this heaven :D [3/14/2013 10:47:34 PM] Walt Disney: One thing that I have a problem with is how they jumped to a demotion. Offensive jokes? How was I supposed to know? No one told me if they were offended. No one warned me that I was offending others. If they did, I could've quickly improved upon myself, and we could've avoided all this. The next thing is my behavior. Did anyone tell me that I was acting immature? Did they tell me that I was getting out of hand? Did anyone give me any hints that I was any of these? Absolutely not. If they would've, again, I would've quickly improved upon myself, and again, avoided all of this. No one warned me, no one gave me a chance, no one even tried to help me. How was I supposed to know that I was doing wrong things? The reason I act so "immature" on the chat is because I want to entertain everyone. I wish the make the chat interesting, so I try to make any type of joke I can, and take every kind of joke opportunity, so the chat won't be dead, boring, or anything. I try to bring joy and laughter to everyone. I also try to do this by including other users in my jokes. I know there's people out there who hate feeling left out, so I tried to everyone in my jokes so no one ever had the need to feel left out or neglected. I try to make everyone happy and let everyone have a fun time, and that's what I like to do. And look at what happens. Then there's the problem of how everything I did was because others CAUSED me to do things. One thing were the bronies on the chat, who annoyed me to no end and made many comments revolving around their "power" that is superior towards all else. The other was you, sadly, because I sorta adopted your "Ponies suck" attitude (thought this may be because you're one of my closest friends on the internet). Another example was with the Bullet incident. I created the forum as a personal attack and tried to spread bad things about a user who had "nothing but good intentions"? That was caused by Free, Spyro, and Myself 123. Myself 123 told Free, Spyro, and I to make a forum. Free, Spyro, and I got together and started getting together information on the forum, which was SUPPOSED to be for the chat rules, but more for warning people about Bullet. This is when the "insulting other users with profanity" comes in. Free and Spyro were "F*ck Kyle" "and "F*CK THAT KYLE" and swearing, insulting, and doing every sort of profane thing towards Bullet. Note that this was off-site, they were speaking behind a user's back, and using language while insulting them. That Skype conversation with OMG that was used against me was off-site. Oh, and weren't we NOT supposed to use off-site things for a demotion for something on-site? Anyway, they told me the rules Bullet's made up (insulting him while doing it), and I made it into a forum. I made it into a way to make people aware of Bullet's tyrannical nature at the time. I showed it to Free and Spyro BEFORE I made it into a forum, and BOTH approved. In all of these instances, I was caused to do things by other users, many things that were used against me to demote me. I get punished in the end. How hilarious. And I just have to laugh at Blue's reason for supporting my demotion. Really. The 2-message time-span message? Where does it say in the rules to not do that? It was Bullet making up another rule. And when was there EVER a time when I went beserk on someone who hated Disney? If there was a time, it was probably a very long time ago, as I've matured to the point where I don't care anymore about other's negative opinions on things I like. And every other time I've left the chat and seemed "mad," I was looking for an excuse to leave (homework, drawing, dinner, date, movie, TV, games, sporting event, etc.). This is because the chat on the SNN is a MAJOR distraction. I need a good excuse to leave or else I'll never get out of there unless FORCED to. And I have a grudge on Bullet? I was simply following orders of FREESMUDGER and DARKFUTURE. They wanted to make a demotion for Bullet, and DF said that we'd need supporters of the demotion ahead of time if we were to make a successful demotion. Free told me that, so I started gathering up some supporters who turned out to be uneeded, as Bullet left the wiki. I continued to make hints that he wasn't who he seemed he was because I, and Spyro included, thought that he got away scot-free, and thought that people needed to know the "truth" of what we've experienced and what we were told. And I said I don't like swearing. That was, like, over a year ago. I've grown up. Matured. As I've grown up, I didn't feel as uncomfortable with swearing. I've been able to say profanity without feeling anything. And I also realize that typing the word doesn't mean you're saying it. It's simple text. Seriously, this is just laughable. And the reason I left the chat is somewhat personal. I wasn't angry. I wasn't having any rage-fit. I left due to personal reasons. Throughout my life, I have been involved in numerous conflicts. Each time they involve me. Each time I tried to defend myself, the only solution was a punishment for me. That has happened on the chat, too. There was always a situation that specifically involved me. Each conflict I tried to defend myself. What happens? I was either scolded, treated like trash, treated like a villain, insulted, and quite a few times, have had a demotion for me. None of these situations had a resolution. The only real resolution that was reached? Punishment for me. I leave each time something involves me nowadays because I can't take anymore punishments, and everyone would benefit if I just left the scene. I would try to defend myself, fail, get treated poorly, punished, and then a few days later, it's like nothing ever happened. Conflicts were never solved. They never reached a fair solution for both parties. It's been the same formula my entire life, and each time it scarrs me for life. That's why I leave. Nothing would be solved. [3/14/2013 10:53:05 PM] SplashTheHedegie: whoa [3/14/2013 10:53:10 PM] SplashTheHedegie: (dizzy) [3/14/2013 10:53:43 PM] SplashTheHedegie: i see now [3/14/2013 10:54:03 PM] SplashTheHedegie: you should probably say that on the page [3/14/2013 10:55:05 PM] Walt Disney: I left the wiki not because of the demotion. I left because of the atmosphere. People who will not even think to warn others that they're doing something wrong. Users who try to pin blame on others without knowing half of the story. People who think of themselves before others. People who punish others without taking into consideration of what the other side has to say. People who give one sole person the punishment without paying attention to the causes of it. People who don't think that they've done anything wrong. People you do something for, but they never do anything for you back. People who bring you the ultimate indignity, but say everything's going to be alright, when it's really not. These, and many other reasons, made me leave. I realized what SNN truly was. I don't want to be on that wiki anymore, and the demotion made me realize that. Yes, you could say that the demotion is the reason I left, but that's only part of it. It made me realize what I've been "friends" with for almost 2 years. Why would I want to go back, or even worse, stay, to a place like that? [3/14/2013 10:56:20 PM] SplashTheHedegie: ah
 * Ohmygod123, Bullet Francisco has given nothing but good intentions. Yes he has been demoted before, but he has proven himself that he can handle his adminship powers now. He insulted an entire fan base and he is complains that we, the pony fans, talk about the show, when he talks about Disney when no one says a thing about it(unless it's positive). Also, when you say everybody laughs at his jokes, they are basically laughing at the person he insulted without even taking notice. Furthermore, by leaving the chat, he shows he is too immature to handle serious situations on the chat. If he is just going to leave when things need to be straitened out, he is not worthy of being a chat mod any more.--- 05:23, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Immature? Uh... NO. Like I said, he left, because he wanted to AVOID CONFLICTS. When you feel like something bad is about to happen, the smart thing to do is run away from it. (Ohmygod123 (talk) 05:27, March 10, 2013 (UTC))
 * Best thing to do is run away? Uh... NO. The best thing to do is resolve the problem and avoid making it worse. He left the whole chat in disarray. Free even showed me the Skype PMs. Talking behind our backs is another thing he did with Kyle. He not only insulted two or more people, but insulted an entire fan base that you happen to be a part of.--- 05:33, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * @OMG I don't laugh at his jokes all the time, heck, he really upset me when he did this to me http://knuckles.wikia.com/wiki/File:Pissed_Off_right_neaw_1.PNG http://knuckles.wikia.com/wiki/File:Pissed_Off_right_neaw_2.PNG http://knuckles.wikia.com/wiki/File:Pissed_Off_right_neaw_3.PNG. Pacmansonic138 (talk) 05:31, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, my apologies, Pac, for moving your post. I was already editing it when you added your post.---05:33, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Pac we have said this before, we were only fooling around. not to mention when you kept annoying me with Silvslam.
 * Silvslam was censoring Silver. This "fooling around" thing I took offence since you guys actually sounded threatening. Pacmansonic138 (talk) 05:38, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I hope you're all happy. Metal just left the wiki. (Ohmygod123 (talk) 05:37, March 10, 2013 (UTC))
 * Which again, shows just how immature he is. He left the wiki in a very hasty manner because once again, things were not going his way. This is why he should not be a chat moderator. He runs away from issues when he should be resolving them. Also, why would we be happy? This is a serious discussion, and I never wanted to see him act like this in the first place.---05:52, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Why does my opposion keep getting removed?
 * From what Fly said, your reason to oppose is biased. Pacmansonic138 (talk) 05:45, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * @Pac: I hope you realize he was kidding when he said that. (Ohmygod123 (talk) 05:49, March 10, 2013 (UTC))
 * Even if it was a joke, he took it to far. mmkay Pacmansonic138 (talk) 05:52, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Who has the rights to remove an opinion just because it was biased? Don't do this again.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 05:59, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Please remember this. A biased vote will have less weight in a nomination, but removing it is an insult to the voter, so don't. 11:56, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah my mistake. Won't happen again.--- 16:07, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Fly, OMG and others, please keep the drama to a minimum. There is no need to get so emotional and worked up about this business. 11:56, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not getting dramatic. I am calm and not "emotional". I'm not sure about OMG after the talk we had on the Knux wiki...--- 16:07, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Solace, on your opposition: chat moderator isn't just about kicking and banning rule-breakers. It's about handling problems and keeping chat in line. As Metal has shown recently, he doesn't try to handle the problem when he's part of it, or even try to defend himself. If he's not even willing to defend himself, how would this make a good problem solver in the chat? Secondly, as Fly has stated earlier, he leaves the chat, and, in these cases, the community out of line when something doesn't go his way. It's gonna take a lot of convincing to change my mind. I know Metal is a good guy, but until someone gives me a very good reason, or maybe if Metal defends himself, I support. Time Biter  "The Rift"  12:51, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Somehow, I get the feeling you only read the first 2/3 sentences of my vote. I know it isn't just about kicking and banning rule-breakers. The thing is, though, someone has yet to explain to me what the so-called "problem" is. All I'm getting so far is that Metal has made a few offensive jokes, people got hurt by them even though he likely didn't mean it, and then he left. This does not make him worthy of demotion - at worst, a chat ban, but not a demotion. That's too severe. And when you say "defend himself", you just have to give him a chance to do so. 13:08, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah yes. I missed addressing your second part. This misbehavor was on chat itself, which you do not frequent, since you no longer like to go on chat. Metal is having problem respecting opinions, as well as facing problems. Last night, for example, we were talking about a certain subject a lot, and started to insult our subject. We tried to point out he was being rude, and how we didn't insult subjects that he favored. He defended himself a little, if I remember correctly, and left. I've seen several of these problems in passing in the past, but, according to Fly, it's been happening a lot lately, and if I remember correctly, it has. Metal hasn't even tried to defend himself, which further supports the fact that he doesn't face problems. Also, just because they're jokes, doesn't mean they can't be offensive, and his jokes aren't the problem here, it's his lack of respect. Time Biter  "The Rift"  13:22, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Right then... it does sound like Metal has been acting a little churlish on the chat. It sounds like his jokes are disrespectful and uncalled for, even though he doesn't mean to offend. And it does sound like he's not considerate enough for other peoples' feelings. These aren't ideal manners for any user, but I still don't think we should go as far as to demote him, though. I've never witnessed him harass anyone, so I only have a faint idea of how bad it is. The most important thing that must happen now is to get Metal himself in the discussion so he can give us his own account of the situation. Judging by his profile, however, it looks like he's called it quits... 14:02, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * You're right...you DO have a point. I'm going to withdraw my vote: Perhaps a chat ban would be a bit better, but I don't tink it'll matter anyway, unless Metal chooses to come back. Time Biter  "The Rift"  15:22, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Solace. He's done it multiple times. He hardly ever tries to solve the problem and leaves chat instead. The jokes are insulting and old. Also, you were/are hardly on chat for most of the time and didn't see Metal's actions for yourself(as stated by time). I've known Metal for a very long time at this point and I know what might go next if we hear his side of the story... --- 16:07, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also(I forgot to mention), when you said he quit the wiki, that just shows how imcapable he is to handle these kinds of situations that got him here in the first place.--- 16:20, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I should explain in full detail why exactly I'm putting him up for demotion. MetalShadow272 has proven himself incapable multiple times. Starting with the crude jokes - he makes offensive jokes insulting to several users every day. When someone makes a slightly offensive joke to him, he gets defensive about it and starts arguments. This is just downright immature for someone who is supposed to be a "chat moderator". He also makes abrasive remarks toward other users, and even intentionally. The most notable example is him openly admitting that the forum he made questioning how Bullet Francisco moderated chat was supposed to be a personal attack. The events of last night did not help in showing he is mature enough for the task. He started by insulting an entire fanbase, and insulting several users on chat in the process (one being FreeSmudger, and admin). He then left the chat because things were not going his way, causing even more conflict in the way he did so. He then continued this tantrum by going to another user to use profanity to insult our users, including myself. Let me ask you this: Do you want this user as a chat moderator when they offend other users on a regular basis, disturb chat by making arguments, and even leaving the wiki because of a demotion without even defending himself? I don't, and neither should you. Metal has been demoted before, and we believed that he was ready for the position again. Obviously he isn't. By opposing it, we're endorsing this type of behavior. --- 18:03, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * In response to that link, Metal only made that forum, because he was trying to expose him for bad things he did. And besides, Kyle suppossedly said that he didn't care if Metal died. And he was trying to do something about that. Also, why are you even using that link? Not only is it an invasion of privacy, YOU PUT MY REAL NAME IN THERE. Please remove it. (Ohmygod123 (talk) 19:06, March 10, 2013 (UTC))
 * First off, what bad things? He could've, as we are constantly saying, worked it out with Bullet. Second: Fly already did fix it. That also doesn't explain the first thing. If Metal wanted to explain his opinion, he could've talked it out, not just leave the chat and go into a curse-filled rant.  Time Biter "The Rift"  19:09, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, now Fly, that's the kind of specification I'm looking for! Previously I just thought he was making some mildly offensive jokes that you took too seriously, but with the evidence described above and the link you have recently showed us, I see it crystal now. He DID mean to hurt your feelings. In that case, I have no doubts in my mind about the trouble he has caused, and will support his demotion posthaste. Tinka, you might want to remove "per Solace". 19:13, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, to add on to what I said, the fact that you are using that link is not only making Metal look bad, you're making ME look bad. How do you think that makes me feel? (Ohmygod123 (talk) 19:16, March 10, 2013 (UTC))
 * How did Fly make you look bad? You didn't do anything wrong? It seems you're just trying to make excuses to make Fly look bad to try to distract people from the point. Time Biter  "The Rift"  19:21, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Look, I'm removing my vote. I'm confused, mad and all I want to do is scream. But I won't scream. For the next weeks, don't expect me online at ALL. Everything has confused me and this is enough, a spinning head can't think right now. 19:38, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Decided to bring this up, mmkay. But Metal seems pretty glad for leaving SNN http://metalshadow272.deviantart.com/journal/When-Wacky-Worlds-Collide-Coming-to-dA-359033812#comments. Pacmansonic138 (talk) 19:03, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Metal has his reasons. I have talked with him over skype. you guys have gotten most of the wrong info. Plus we are not allowed to use outside sources. Metal left due to personal things. And for the thing about Bullet's "personal attack" he showed it to 2 admins on the wiki and both approved before making it an actual forum. these two admins were FreeSmudger and DarkFuture last time i checked with Metal. Plus Metal said he doesn't like swear he never said he didn't swear, and when he said that was a long time ago.
 * I have also copied everything we have said in skype


 * Really? Not one person has suggested to Metal to better monitor his behavior on the chat, or even gave him so much as a hint to do so? I find that a little difficult to believe. Still, I find it funny how Metal makes it almost sound as though the whole Wiki is at fault for this demotion occuring in the first place, among other things. Not all of us would keep quiet if we saw others engaging in questionable behavior. I'd also like to point out that not everyone on this Wiki attends the chat regularly, if at all. Either or, I think it, at the very least, would've helped Metal's case if he came here and told us his side of the story himself, instead of leaving and making the situation look worse for himself. How exactly is everyone supposed to get all "sides of the story" if the other party chooses to not be present in order to make the situation better for everyone and get it resolved faster and more effectively? He can blame us for the problems presented in this demotion all he likes, but in my honest opinion he's not making himself look better in my eyes. Call me cruel if you wish, but I'm just trying to be realistic here. Lloyd the Cat  "I don't die. I just go on adventures."  23:25, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Conclusion
Yes - There is overwhelming support to have MetalShadow272 demoted from his status as Chat Moderator. Can we also take it easy with the length of your comments for future nominations? Keep your responses short and clear. If you're trying to hold a conversation with someone, I would advise taking it to your talk pages and linking the discussion here if needed. It's unnecessary to flood the page from just one nomination. This discussion will be removed shortly. 01:25, March 17, 2013 (UTC)