Talk:Nazo/Archive 1

Years
150 000 000 years?????? I'm confused, comrades! -- Kim Lee Pak

Identity Crisis
How do we know that he's not just another version of Hyper Sonic? I'm gonna e-mail SEGA and ask for myself.-KP Blue 18:07, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Keep the fanfic
THis is one of he few pages in which a fanfic is useful. Because the photo on the Nazo page is the only thing of Nazo that has been officially released (The photo is it; no bio, no statement from SEGA abouit him, nothing), the posted fanfic is the best that can be done for Nazo.

Annoying redirect
When I search for 'Shadic' and 'Hyper Shadic', it redirects here, it's rather annoying. Skulls 01:16, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right. Shadic and Nazo are two different beings, so they shouldn't be merged together. Smijes08, 11:23, 2 April 2009

Protectionism
AAAAAAARGH! Give me ops, yous guise! Running into brick walls like this in the course of my diligent service is getting annoying. Because, in my present state, I am unable to bring ALL GLORY TO THE FEATURED ARTICLE Molten Scandium 19:55, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ...or if someone's NOT gonna give me Ops, ye could at least tag this yourselves, guys. Come on. Molten Scandium 11:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

running into brick walls? more like sepping on push pins,i think[probanly becuz iw as just doing that. accidentally,of course....]--Meowmix5 00:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)meowmix5,artemisfan

I saw some of that movie
I saw that vid and you know what??? Chakra-X had got that stuff from Dragon Ball Z. The "Sonic and Shadow merging together (Shadic)" thing? Dragon Ball Z. The power blasts coming from Nazo's hands? Dragon Ball Z. The auras surrounding the characters? Nazo being blasted into nothing-ness? The drama??? Dragon Ball Z --Sonicrox14 04:26, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * im beginning to think that nazo was a make of silver,but they took him out of sonic x,redid the model,and reincorporated himm somewhere else. OR smae thing,but with hyper sonic--Meowmix5 00:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC) artemisfan

nazo?
who is nazo -- Noname the Hero  ( Hero Talk ) 00:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Someday
Maybe someday in the future, SEGA will just stick Nazo in a Sonic Game, but until they do, we'll just have to keep on guessing, but I'm positive that this is not a remake of Silver nor does it have to do anything to do with him, because Sonic X was where Nazo was gonna be released, but Silver was made 2 or 3 years after the series was cancelled.
 * Sonic X was not cancelled, the show just simply ended.

A guess
After careful analysis of the image, it's more possible that this is a higher form of Sonic than anything else fans have speculated. Remember that Sonic has green eyes (and is sometimes even called Emerald Eyes), and the smile on Nazo's face almost perfectly mimics Sonic's. Also, since there is the possibility of Sonic's spines growing... well, there. BUT! There is one factor that is against this being Sonic: it is highly unlikely Sonic will ever have a transformation where he turns silver, and why? The reason: There are no silver Super Saiyans in Dragonball. I mean, did you see what happens when you hack Sonic '06? SEGA COMPARED SILVER TO TRUNKS! OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG ROFL LOL!

Nazo isn't a version of Sonic. This is proven by several things: 1. it can't be Hyper Sonic becausein the trailer Nazo is NOT a picture the aura around him is moving and Hyper Sonic changes colors change rapidly 2. Nazo also doesn't have a muzzel so it can't be any form of Sonic of Silver 3. his eyes are green while Super and Hyper Sonic's eyes are red and his body is too small to be Sonic's 4. and just because his name means mystery in japanese doesn't mean anythingUltimate silver fan 01:45, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Glory
For any user looking for an inspiration for a high-quality wiki page, this is it! This is a perfect example of "a picture is worth a thousand words," highly analytical commentary and careful observation. That is a worthy featured article!-- Milo the  echidna  17:55, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Highly analytical commentary? The text in this article works better as a showcase of how many different ways there are in the English language to say "we can't know for sure". Frankly I was thinking of trimming it down, but decided against it lest I reap a sh*tstorm. --Danish Ranger 09:40, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

New idea on who he is
Ok so a lot of people think that Nazo is Super Sonic, Hyper Sonic, or Silver. Well it can't be Super Sonic because he was seen in the same footage. I doubt it is Hyper Sonic because in the pilot, the aurora around him is moving suggesting that the scene was in fact animated for the pilot. Silver's original conception was to test the physics of Sonic 06 so it isn't him.

But it does look like it could be a super transformation of Sonic due to the matching eyes and you can see that he has the same chest design (if you look at it with an LCD screen at a certain angle it helps). So my idea is that he was a concept for Dark Sonic. Think about it, the look on Nazo's face does seem similar to the one Sonic had while in mid-transformation and Dark Sonic is a super transformation exclusive to Sonic X. Additionally, in the scene where Sonic says "Looks like you'll have to go back to the drawing board" his back quills look spread out in a fashion similar to Nazo's. Jacktheinfinite101 14:09, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Silver?
"this is unlikely because Sonic X debuted before Silver and is a much different design?" I hate to nitpick, but with all respect, that makes it MORE likely it's an early concept of Silver. A lot of characters went through dramatic changes in design before being officially introduced, and Sonic X could have been the medium Silver was originally planned to be introduced in (as with other anime exclusive or originated characters). That said, IF it's supposed to be Silver (which admittedly is still conjecture at this point) he could have been dropped from the show due to design updates or a change of plans from Team Sonic. The only recommendation I'm making to change here is removing that particular comment. Other than that, good show. King Starscream 21:39, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Removed, thanks. -- Supermorff 22:35, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

X character?
Shouldn't we add Nazo to the list of Category:Sonic X characters? He was in the pilot so he's part of the series. Ty 20:57, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Hyper Sonic?
Is it alright if someone un protects this page for just a bit for me to add in the trivia that many Sonic fans believe Nazo to be Hyper Sonic?

Nazo Sonic??
I think its Sonic because of "Nazo"'s appearance. Green/Emerald eyes... his smile is really similar to Sonic's smile, and I saw some other screenshots of him and his shoes was the same too.

And since "Nazo" means "mystery" in japanese, it could be " Nazo Sonic " (or " Mystery Sonic " in english). Its just my thoughts.

UrutoraAmina 14:27, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Silver?
Nazo looks a lot like Silver expect for his cuffs are missing,Nazo is around Sonic's body weight,and his face is silver (prouably due to an aura)-The Ferbette 12:20, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

It can't be Silver. Silver has spike-like stuffs on his forhead, but this one doesn't have it.

Watch on Newgrounds to figure out who and what Nazo wants.

Hope this helped! :D

Sonicsmansion97 16:48, October 11, 2011 (UTC)Sonicsmansion97

Maybe this was a joke? Maybe SEGA did this as a scam to attract more people. They way they only gave one picture of him,it seems like they wanted everyone to guess. We're still geussing today,after the show has ended. BAKA NIKO 18:45, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

My best guess is that Nazo is a character that is used to attract people. But if Nazo is evil, wouldn't that mean that Silver is like his brother since Silver was once evil because he tried to attack Sonic? But then he became good so doesn't that mean that Nazo is still evil, which means that Silver is good the whole time. But if Silver was evil, then Nazo would have been the good guy and he would have not even appeared in the beginning. But because Silver is there, Nazo is considered either a good guy or a bad guy... Gah, I'm confused! :( 71.22.167.2 04:20, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

1-just because 2 characters are evil it doesn't mean at all that they are brothers

2-in fact silver was never evil, he was tricked by Mephiles

3- the only thing we know about nazo is what's on the pic, other that that is pure speculation

Ediskrad327 08:17, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Nazo is made from one of the chaos emaralds his goalis to tranform into hyper Nazo and destroy the whole world

but he has to kill hyper shadic that is merged from sonic and shadow

Sonicxxx

No :/ Number-1-Pokemon-Fan-Eltario 18:39, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

waht you're saying is fanfiction. not official. nothing of the sort is allowed on the article. Ralphjedimaster 00:03, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Nazo the Hedgehog:Orgin
Who is Nazo? He is a Hedgehog with Glowing White-and-Silver skin. He has a mark on his forehead that looks like an arrow. His tail is flat and in the shape of an Echidna's.That's all. He's not HYper Sonic. He's not the chosenone to defeat Shadic. He's not anything. He doesn't exist. Deal with it, people. Sonic News Network doesn't want your weird-o fanfiction about Nazo being some Godmodding Gary-Stu Villian made by Eggman the Hedge-Fox-Bat. 19:31, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * There was an argument about things like this before, which is why the page is locked. -- 19:55, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

i think i know WHY he was scrapped.no one could voice him.they could've got shadow's voice there.but they didn't think that.also it is costing them money.so they deicide to scrap him.he wouldve made a good chracter.

unlikely, there are MANY voice actors in the world

Ediskrad327 02:32, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Nazo Truth
he 'Nazo' concept was actually intended to be the answer to Shadow's mysterious past and the reason for the subtle ambiguity of Sonic's origin. It is occasionally hinted that Sonic is not consciously aware of where he came from. In an early episode Chris asks where Sonic learned to talk. After pondering this briefly, Sonic cannot come up with a definite answer. If you also notice, it is odd that none of the original 'Sonic' characters mention anything about Robotnik and Eggman seemingly introduces him. If you know the Sonic timeline, Sonic and company had to deal with Robotnik as the predecessor villain to his grandson, Eggman. All of this is because the same artist who drew the concept art for ‘Nazo’ actually pitched an idea for the show that Sonic and Shadow were actually once one being. It was to be revealed that sometime in the past Robotnik captured his arch enemy ‘Nazo’, who was the perfect being and guardian of the world. Robotnik spliced Nazo’s DNA in an attempt to clone him and shape this clone into an evil being who might be a match for ‘Nazo’. This splicing however split the being into two separate entities, Sonic and Shadow. This split created a tear in space and time, which answers the question of why Chris’s world and Sonic’s world were once one and were separated. Shadow, of course, was sealed away by Robotnik and Sonic simply 'awoke' in his world sometime at a vague point in the future, not knowing much else. This presents some issues in terms of time corresponding to other characters, a contributing factor to the concept's nullification (other factors listed at the end). If this concept had not been revoked from the story the episode preceding the final battle, would have been entitled ‘Mystery Hero, Answers to the Unknown’. The plot was as followed, facing imminent demise, Knuckles pleads with Master Emerald for a solution, in desperation he exclaims “If none of us have the power to defeat this great evil, bring forth the power that is!” The master emerald reacts sending energy to the chaos emeralds, presumably creating the super emeralds. They surround Sonic and Shadow engulfing them in blinding light. What appears was to be the single screen shot of ‘Nazo’. Nazo would go on to explain everything I have conveyed here as the closing to the episode. I put Nazo in quotations because nazo or mystery corresponds with ‘mystery hero’; an official name does not exist. At the end of the final battle ‘Nazo’ unleashes all of his energy to destroy ‘Dark Oak’. Because Nazo was powered by the master emerald, its energy is depleted and it shatters. Because of this, when the blinding light from his attack fades, Sonic and shadow are revealed, separated and unconscious; the Master emerald was the only thing holding ‘Nazo’ together. The only other changes are Sonic and Shadow making sense of their past; Sonic joking about how their resemblance makes sense and Shadow expressing discontent with the fact that he once inhabited a body with someone like Sonic. Cosmo would have lived; diminishing her role as a key character. Since the ambiguity of the unknown past of these characters is subtle, ‘scrapping’ this idea was a viable option. The reasons for doing so near the finale of the series was that it would receive criticism from its fans for trekking too far off of the original concept of sonic; they felt that fans would lose the connection of the video games, which obviously played a key role in the show’s popularity. However, they did not feel it necessary to change earlier episodes to vividly detail Sonic’s and Shadow’s pasts respectively. It was also a concern that they would receive criticism for being too much like Dragon Ball Z & GT; the ‘Super’ depiction was already similar; they felt that the concept of ‘fusion’ was taking the likeness to said animes too far. The validity of this story is up to whoever reads it. I havent compiled an enormous list of my sources; that would be too cliché.


 * What an extraordinary Talk page! But c'mon. "Too cliché" to even give a single source to all of this? You're too sweet. ;) --Estima 15:55, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * For MORE see? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2YvUA2XLZk

Can't be Silver the Hedgehog
Why? Because, correct me if I'm wrong, Silver wasn't created until after Sonic X. Sonic X was made between the years 2003 and 2005 I think, and Silver's first appearence was in 2006 (in Sonic the Hedgehog).

What if they had the idea of creating Silver earlier? Yeah, but the only fault with that theory is that Silver first was to be orange and called Venice! His final design took form pretty late.

Anyway. I'm quite sure it's Sonic in an alternate Super/Hyper form that was created for an more epic boss battle or something along those lines. Maybe Sonic X creators thought it'd be cool with another Hyper from, or that his Super/Hyper forms were to lame for a very, very epic fight.

In Sonic X he was seen in some sort of Dark form (don't remember what it's called), so to me it wouldn't be very surprising if that was a sketch of a brighter contrast to that form. These are at least my thoughts (some of them - I had to delete quite a few lines because things got too long). Estima 15:31, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

''P.S. This is the first time I've written in a Talk page. Hope it's not too messy or strange.''

Nazo=Silver...?
I know a lot of people have said "oh Nazo looks like Silver" and I know Silver didn't appear until 2006 (in Sonic the Hedgehog) but I have a theory as to why SEGA even introduced Nazo. Nazo does look like an extremely warped Silver, with short "star" spines (about 5, Silver has 5, but Silver's "star" points are more pronounced and somewhat larger) two large spines below them (Silver has them on his head, Nazo's on his back) and a black eye mark on each side of the eye (appears to be kohl, Silver's is less pronounced). My theory is that Nazo was going to put Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 into the anime, making the idea of Sonic 2006 transition from game to anime. Since Sonic X was done from 2003-2005, this was probably when the idea of Sonic 2006 was still in the planning/concept phase and could have been easily warped. Nazo also could have been Silver in Sonic 2006, taking on Silver's personality and Blaze and whatever...

My point is that Nazo is an early, scrapped Silver design in the rough. Meh.

This is my first talk page edit, I hope you like it!

-Too late. You already started talking to me. Initiate randomness explosion in T-minus 5. Oh, and have a nice day.

Nazo means mystery. Nice always wanted to know what my name Nazo means :D 68.41.106.121 21:14, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

In what language? Japanese? Greek?Exodvs 21:17, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Japanese, Nazo might not even be this creatures name.  Myself  123  21:20, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Nazo explanation (Version Argentina)
For me, Nazo is a pilot character as many say and that was probably a villain prototype that will be used in the future and that maybe the powers he possesses might be possible but in the future for sure.

(SONIC TH 04:22, July 13, 2012 (UTC))

Has anyone even thought of him?
guys searsly? (excuse my terrible spelling) Nazo could have been Sonic in a super, hyper etc form. its kinda obvous (again excuse spelling) that its sonic. he could also be a design for silver when he would have came out.
 * 1) both same number of spines
 * 2) both have green eyes
 * 3) same body shape
 * 4) same gloves

Splash The  Hedgehog  08:40, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

There is an alternate theory that it was going to be the design for Super Sonic. PyroGothNerd (talk) 22:59, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Do we even need this page?
Nazo is an EXTREMELY minor character. Heck, we even don't even know if his name is nazo! All the information here is mostly speculation, there are no references, and the Sonic X page already covers nazo. It needs deleted. 00:34, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

No it should Splash  The  Hedgehog  00:58, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see why it should be removed.  Myself  123  01:01, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

i meant shouldn't sorry. Splash The  Hedgehog  01:03, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

But this page is good for people who want to know about him, such as people who mistakenly believe he's an actual character. I think the page is fine the way it is.

I also hope Sega makes this guy a real character, specifically a villain. Sonic needs more villains. PyroGothNerd (talk) 22:52, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Update
Due to how long this character has been up with no info, shouldn't we consider Nazo under public domain? Battlelord7 (talk) 06:52, January 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * What? No. That's not how public domain works. -- Supermorff (talk) 20:46, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I think they wanted to put Hyper Sonic in the anime,but it was scrapped.

Proof or it didn't happen. 13:47, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Conjecture?
Should the name "Nazo" be considered conjectural? Considering that nazo means "mystery" there's speculation as to whether this is the creature's name or that the filename "Nazo" was used to hide its true identity.  Myself  123  18:33, April 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wow, you're right. I think you've found the one article on this wiki with a title that is actually conjectural, as opposed to merely descriptive. (Sorry, just irritated at our use of the word "conjectural" to describe something that isn't even slightly conjectural.) -- Supermorff (talk) 19:54, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Why not change "conjectural" to a more appropriate word, then? 14:06, April 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Because I don't believe that pages with descriptive names need to be flagged up. -- Supermorff (talk) 16:38, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but I think there are other things whos names come from genuine conjecture, such as Super Mecha Sonic, maybe even Deflect.  Myself  123  16:17, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Super Sonic Alternate Form?
Nazo bears a slight resembalance to Super Sonic.

Nazo
"the word "nazo" means "mystery" in Japanese"

No, that's obviously wrong as "nazo" isn't even a Japanese word. "謎", which is Japanaese and can be written as "nazo" in latin characters, means "riddle", "mystery". -Shao Pai Long (talk) 15:15, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm a little confused, you just said nazo doesn't mean mystery, but then you said it does mean mystery. Which one is it?  Myself  123  15:34, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Resebelence
He kinda resenbles hyper sonic, and when I first saw him I thought he was hyper sonicShadowgaze (talk) 19:34, July 7, 2013 (UTC)