Forum:Game Templates

This discussion was originally held at Forum:New Look again, but has since been moved to a separate thread as of 06:04, September 2, 2013 (UTC) by.

Sorry to disturb this regular forum, but under the Project: Game Templates, we will be making new templates that will contain every piece of information of the Sonic games. Because of this, I have two models of the template: the one with the picture is mine, while the one below is Ultrasonic9000's choice. I would like to ask which template would you prefer to be used, as we already have one template made and used on mainspace articles. Also, many people want the picture to be removed, while I don't. Should we remove the picture, as well? Please comment above the templates, not below them. Thanks! 20:28, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I like your template. I think the picture makes the template look a lot more interesting, and it sure does attract my attention. Without the picture, I wouldn't pay much attention to it.

I like Blue's template better. It just looks more vieually appealing.-- Psyche  the Hedgehog  23:26, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Psyche and Metal are right. Besides, the headers on Ultra's template take up a bit too much space. No offense, Ultra. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 00:14, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately for the rest of you, I thinking about preferring Ultra's template over Blue's. I am Mystic Orb, the overlord of all! (talk page) 00:23, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Nothing unfortunate about that. Your opinion matters regardless of what everyone else's opinions are. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 00:28, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I know I was just exaggerating my opinion. I am Mystic Orb, the overlord of all! (talk page) 00:48, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I really need to start learning to speak sarcasm. :/ (too bad it's not available with Rosetta Stone...) -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 00:52, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I like blue's better. It has better color's and doesn't look blocky 01:23, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean 'blocky'? I am Mystic Orb, the overlord of all! (talk page) 01:28, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * It consists of lots of rectangles positioned next to each other. Sort of like someone stuck a bunch of Lego blocks together. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk)01:30, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh I see... I am Mystic Orb, the overlord of all! (talk page)  01:35, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, a couple days ago we had a forum based off the location template. I think all inboxes should look of it did as it made our infoboxes more unique and made the pictures already a set size. It was easier to use and it looked more creative and "fun" looking. 20:44, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ultra's Template
I really like Ultra's. Though, it could need some adjustments. How about we make the image stretched vertically? I can make some customs from each game.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 10:15, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can we also make this template collapsed by default? This is way too big. -- 10:18, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Have you seen a template that has this? I'd like to see.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 10:20, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * w:c:donkeykong:Funky Kong It's not difficult to implement at all. -- 10:22, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

New Suggestion
As I suggested on and 's talk pages, I believe that these templates are too exorbitant. I would prefer something as seen on Zeldapedia. I would also like to use only neutral, light shades of blue for these templates as they fit the theme better. Colors such as dark blue and dark red don't seem to work. I'm not the biggest fan of the images on the templates either, and I would prefer something as seen on Zeldapedia. (Sorry for the sloppy grammar, just woke up :P) -- 17:36, July 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I also don't like these templates. They are not the focus of any article, because they're just navboxes, so I don't know why they are being made to look flashy and have images. -- Supermorff (talk) 07:15, July 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 10:38, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I like the templates. However, I do agree that if they were collapsible by default, it wouldn't be as distracting. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 22:50, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

It seems most prefer a design similar to the template seen at the bottom of Ultrasonic9000's userpage. Consequently, I will close this discussion shortly. We will probably be using Ultrasonic's design. -- 15:48, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

If you look above, don't more peoples like Blue's design? -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 17:01, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

First of all, it's not a majority vote. Second of all, it's equal (on the forum at least). Third, if you want me to get the people I talked to on chat to comment, I can. When I usually ask for feedback (see Forum:Featured User and Did you know?), they usually just tell me and then forget to comment or something. But, I'll set up a vote. -- 06:52, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

BlueSpeeder's design or Ultrasonic9000's design?
I'm not saying that either template will be the version we go with, but both templates have a different concept. Improvements can probably be made to either, I just want to make some kind of progress on this. -- 06:57, August 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * " I'm not saying that either template will be the version we go with.." So you're telling me that neither of the Game Templates will be used? Bullet, this isn't your decision. I was the one who brought the Game Templates here. And you're bossing me around about something I worked hard on. I'm not happy with what's happening right now. 20:11, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Bullet, Blue already has two templates in effect. There's no harm in keeping them, and most seem to like the idea (see Blue's blog). It's not a big deal, but you're making it sound like one. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 20:19, August 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Per unleashed. 22:01, August 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * @Blue I was just saying that neither design was finalized.


 * @Unleashed I just want there to be some kind of progress on this. -- 22:52, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

To be quite honest, the main problem I have is the unnecessary image. If the image was removed, then I'd be fine with the design. -- 22:58, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * What exactly about the image bothers you? What makes you feel it's unnecessary? -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 14:52, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Acutally, I have come up with a new design, without the picture. It is still in development, but it is close.


 * Is this better since it has no picture? Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 15:23, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

I actually like the image. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 16:09, August 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Per Unleashed. If there's no picture, then the template looks boring. 16:11, August 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ultra, not to sound offensive, but I don't like the template above. 16:12, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Unleashed > The image is completely unnecessarily big. It adds nothing productive to the template and leaves ugly white space. As seen in the second design BlueSpeeder provided, it also clumps the text together, which I find unattractive. What about you? Why do you feel that the image is necessary? -- 16:47, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you're talking about Ultra's template. I was talking about Blue's. :/ The image in Blue's template does not clutter text or leave white space. Besides, the image makes the template more visually appealing. Make the template collapsible by default and it won't be so distracting. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 17:19, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * It already is collapsible by default. The image is still distracting, and clearly adds more white space and clutters text. -- 17:44, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * You're still talking about Ultra's design(s). -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 17:48, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * It clutters text in both. I don't want the image, and Ultra has since removed the image from his design. -- 17:51, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think we've both made our points. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 17:55, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

I like the image too. TBH bullet you are sounding very nitpicky.I have read your argument, and I see no disadvantage over having an image in the template. 18:47, August 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Per Silver. 18:48, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

I see no advantage in having the image in the template. I don't like it. -- 18:50, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Neither do I. Plus I prefer Ultra's template and I want my Sonic Rivals templates (which I am currently working on) pictureless. Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am?  What do you want?   What do I do?  06:51, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ooh, I definitely like the template you have on your userpage. Though, the pure blue is a bit of an eyesore. Perhaps consider a lighter blue? -- 07:01, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh thanks. Perhaps I might use royalblue like the one shown here.-- Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am?  What do you want?   What do I do?  07:05, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * I like the color you chose. Looks great! -- 08:29, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

The colors look great, and I really like it without an image.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:41, August 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Mystic's template looks boring without the image. I oppose. 15:24, August 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * How long are we going to have this discussion? How about we collect all the types of templates we have now and make a voting section?--SlugDrones • (Contact) 18:52, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * For whatever reason, the last time I tried to assess consensus by starting a voting section, I was met with strong disapprobation. This discussion has been going on for far too long. I would love to reopen a voting section. -- 19:07, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Wait-wait-wait! What if we were able to link the image to the image gallery sub-page? You know, like have an image of the game lead to the gallery subpage? 15:51, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

If we wanted to add a link to the gallery, it's not that difficult. I still don't like the image. Sorry. -- 16:56, August 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * So? I think it could be better to have the image link to the gallery. Besides, maybe someone could want to see more images of the game via looking at the image. 17:03, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but looking at the standard poster for a game doesn't give me the sudden urge to look at screenshots and artwork from the game. I just don't like the image's presence on the template. It's too big, too distracting, and clutters text. The template is better off without it. -- 17:12, August 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not your call. 17:23, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not claiming it's my call, nor do I want it to be (unlike you, saying "I think because I made the Game Templates, I should have the final call). -- 23:57, August 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * While you are right, I think I should get the final call. :/ 00:35, August 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think we can finalize the results now. What are we waiting for?--SlugDrones • (Contact) 08:41, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Why does this matter? Why are we voting in the first place? We're going about this all wrong! I thought users were supposed to make their own templates quietly and calmly. Isn't that the way it's been done before? Then why are we making such a big deal of this specific template? It's just another box at the bottom of the page; the readers probably don't care. We're not accomplishing anything, period, except hurting Blue's feelings.

Blue just wanted to let us know about this small project he was starting. We encouraged him; it was a great idea. But now this has turned into a mess. Others try to make their own templates, Ultra tries to make his own design, and we complain about the stuff we claimed to like on Blue's blog. Now we're voting to pretty much reject Blue's design altogether. So what have we accomplished? All we have done is hurt Blue's feelings. We're making him feel useless and unwanted. He just wanted to help, but we're trying to take over for him. I don't know about you, but Blue's feelings are WAY more important than a silly box at the bottom of an internet article about a video game. We ought to be ashamed of ourselves! I think we all owe Blue an apology, especially Bullet and me for making a big deal out of this.

If we really want to go ahead with this, do it in a more loving manner. Give Blue a bigger say. Maybe create a new standard design for all navboxes and change Blue's template to fit the standard design. Just keep Blue in mind before you post something. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 17:43, August 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot, SU. That made me feel a little bit better. 20:09, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * So now what do we do? Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am?   What do you want?   What do I do?  23:31, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I would suggest revamping navboxes entirely and changing them all to fit one or two designs. I think Blue's and Ultra's designs would work as the new designs for a nice compromise. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 14:22, August 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * If that's what it must come to, then I'll talk with Ultra about this "new" designs. 16:08, August 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * ShU, the community has the rights to say that they prefer one design over the other. It is not their fault if they prefer 'no image' in the template.
 * Blue, we like your idea, which is why we have this discussion. But UltraSonic has come up with his design too. Just because you made it first doesn't mean the users can't voice their opinion on which design they like better. Don't take things to heart, we're not making your look insignificant.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 06:58, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Basically reiterating what Drones has already said: BlueSpeeder, you have been a fantastic contributor to this project. We appreciate your efforts to improve the navigation system of the wiki. With that said, you need to be open to feedback and suggestions. If we are going through with this, I want it to be presented in the most optimum way conceivable. Ultrasonic9000's design is based off of your idea. Think of your template as a prototype. There are always going to be various ways to improve upon that original design, and this is exactly what Ultrasonic9000 has done here. In my opinion, he has taken your idea and improved upon it. This is something that the majority of good contributors do. They help out their fellow users and throw in their two cents. They collaborate with their peers, they don't work against them. I understand that you feel insulted and hurt. This is human nature. However, perhaps you should take a step back to look at the repercussions of your behavior. Acting cynical and insolent hasn't advanced us in our ultimate goal to improve the navigation aspect of the wiki, now has it? Be open-minded! Embrace change! Work with Ultrasonic9000, not against him. I apologize if I have ever come across as hostile to you over the course of the project, however, this is a lesson that you need to learn. I've received complaints about your behavior. Maybe it's time to change that. -- 11:38, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Couldn't have said it any better.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 12:03, August 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * I HAVE listen to others! I HAVE my own opinion on these templates! Every since I've showed them on this wiki, everyone just complains and neglects my design in the first place! I'm not changing the templates unless the image is on there. I'll go as far as to have Ultra's design but the image must stay on there. If not, I'm removing the templates. I'm sick of this forum. 16:06, August 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm actually surprised that you aren't convinced by the words of Drones and especially Bullet. You introduced this navigation template, that's great, we owe you, infact all credit goes to you, since you're a great contributor. Then, Ultra decided to to tweak it a bit and turns out it suited the community better. Now more people are involved in making it better. Image or not, it doesn't benefit anything, nor should it harm you since we never said anything like Geez, Blue, what is this it looks horrible and wont help to everything you suggest, So it's better if you stop flaming everyone's opinion. -- Disco Divaundefined Surnik.png 16:14, August 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * *sigh* Do whatever you want. I don't give a damn anymore. 16:20, August 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Fine, Ultra's design it is. -- Disco Divaundefined Surnik.png 16:22, August 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Blue, the majority want no image, not Ultra's template. Yet you want to force others to agree with what you like. Does that sound fair to you?--SlugDrones • (Contact) 16:25, August 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright. I'll come clean. The reason I want my design with the image is because it looked perfected, in my opinion. If something I like is changed into something I don't like, I become selfish and change it to want I want it to be like. When the community decided to go with no image, however, this causes me to worry about two things: A) I don't like the templates not having the image, while B) my template looks ugly without the image. This will then result to Ultra's design being favored, and thus I felt like I needed to push everyone away and go with what I feel like. But now I just feel like a brat; seeing the messages before my third-to-last message just made me a bit furious. So, if you're going with Ultra's design, so be it. I don't care if his design isn't favored; it probably will be in no time at this rate of the forum. 16:36, August 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Now I see your point. Instead of competing against UltraSonic, you should be working with him. To me, it looks like the two of you are having a competition and are starting to dislike each other because of this. Ultra used your idea but improved its look.
 * We like your idea, but we like Ultra's design as well. I think that's fair enough. Don't let your ego get in the way next time.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 16:50, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it has more to do about feeling rejected and violated.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 16:53, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

I do want to show what a Game Template, my design, looks like without the image. (I still think the image looks perfect with it.) 15:48, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Then use Ultra's design. The community decided no image. -- 17:34, August 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Did you not just read above? I don't want to feel rejected. 17:36, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Did you not just read above? We aren't rejecting you, and that isn't an excuse to use the image and disregard community decision. -- 17:41, August 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * *sigh* Look, I understand the community doesn't want the image. Alright, fine. But now you're saying that we should use Ultra's design? You know, I want some sort of part on this project, not just let anything I made up be pushed aside because someone else made a new, better version of it. I'm getting really sick of this forum. 17:44, August 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * We're not pushing you aside, it's more like this - your idea, his design. I question whether you really want to contribute to the wiki or are you simply doing this out of pride.
 * Here's an example - I made our wallpaper and, according to the discussion, everyone is fine with it. If someone came up with something that's even better and everyone likes it even more, I won't mind it. Because in the end, it's not that I wanted "my design" to be on there, I just wanted the wiki to look at its best.
 * Supermorff's attitude is another good example. I replaced his previous design and he didn't complain a bit. Infact he supported all my previous (rejected) designs. I really appreciate his maturity infact.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 18:12, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * This ^ -- 18:13, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

I hate to disrupt this forum, but seeing that it has been going on and on and on has made me a bit agitated. Guys, I know Blue better than anyone, in fact, I live by him. Do you guys realize how long it took Blue to show off the Game Templates without thinking of a consequence?

To answer your question, Slug-Drones, Blue did not make the templates for his own likings. He wanted to help the wiki. He found the coding for the Game Templates back in April, and for the next two months, he blathered whether he should show them off to Sonic News Network or not. I thought everyone would love the templates, seeing how Blue was already (at the time) a rollback. However, recently, Blue has been feeling stressed and his love for Sonic has decreased since late-July. I was curious, so I search through everything on this wiki to find out what was making Blue so sad. Turns out, it's this little forum right here.

And I'm here to announce that Blue is no longer enjoying the fun, wikia life he once had. In fact, he's having the exact opposite. He's starting to worry about what people will think of him, and seeing that this forum is connecting to Blue feeling stress and neglected, I'm disappointed. That's all I have to say. MobiusWalker (talk) 15:40, August 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Mobius, I no longer care for the templates anymore. But, I want to discuss something with Bullet privately about the rules I want for the templates. 16:53, August 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I share Mobius' sentiments; that's the message I've been trying to get across. The problem isn't what's happening, it's how it's happening that's hurting Blue's feelings. He's not being selfish at all. I support the way Blue's going to let go of this; there's no sense trying to get the point across amongst all of the stubbornness and self-righteousness that this discussion exudes. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 19:01, August 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * *blows air, then sighs* Alright. I guess I can start over on this forum. There so much arguing here that I forgot the purpose of this forum. So, I'm willing to here suggestions. Now, go for it. 21:13, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

I am personally disgusted by your behavior, Shadowunleashed13. You are accusing us of being stubborn and self-righteous, which I find incredibly offensive. Regardless of his feelings, this is a site discussion. If I said my "feelings were hurt" because you guys decided to put me up for demotion, that doesn't excuse the voice of the community. Put your feelings aside for a moment to realize that we intended no harm to BlueSpeeder or any other user when expressing our disapprobation for the image's presence on the template. As malicious as it may sound, someone's personal "feelings getting hurt" is hardly an excuse to disregard community input.

Moving on...

I apologize for any abrasive and/or hostile behavior that may have been implied as a result of my explicit opinion on this forum. I intended no harm. However, there remains but one thing on my mind: As a community-driven website, everyone needs to realize that just because I (or any other user) express disapproval of an idea you created does not mean that we are attempting to push any disdain towards your way. Every user here wants the wiki to improve. There are times where we disagree. My point is: be open-minded and don't take offense to trivial matters. BlueSpeeder has learned this the hard way. We're all sick of this arguing. Let's just move on, already. My opinion on the topics of this forum remain unflinching. -- 22:57, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Bullet, you misinterpreted me. Everybody thought that I was disregarding the community totally, which I would never do. I was not suggesting we disregard community input, but that we think twice before posting something that would offend another. And guess what's ironic? I seem to have contradicted myself by posting something that offended another.

I'm sorry, Blue. I'm sorry, Bullet. I'm sorry, everyone. My behavior on this forum was unintentionally offensive. I was just trying to help sort things out, but it seems I just made it all worse and hurt my reputation by trying to stand up for a friend. Everybody seemed to be mad at each other, and I charged in without thinking. I guess we've all learned a lesson here. Again, I'm sorry for being harsh with everyone. Please forgive me, and let's forget about this fast. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 14:00, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

This is so embarrassing. T_T 21:35, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

What melodrama.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 07:43, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Can we please just make some type of progress on this? BlueSpeeder failed to comply with the community's decision, and Ultrasonic9000 desires to not be associated with this project any longer. I suggested that we scrap the templates entirely, and finally bring this discussion to a close. The interest in this project has been dying over the course of this forum, and unless BlueSpeeder contacts me, I am willing to just scrap this concept wholly. -- 18:13, August 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * If neater Ultra or Blue want to handle this project anymore, then i would be more then happy to take the lead on it. 22:02, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've unleashed the Sonic Rivals Info Template. It's similar to Blue's design with no image. Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am?   What do you want?   What do I do?  22:26, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks good, though I still prefer Ultra's design. It's fine, though. You have my stamp of approval, for whatever it's worth. -- 22:29, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's okay. I kept a template in Ultra's design in my personal sandbox in case it is needed. Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am?   What do you want?   What do I do?  22:37, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Since if most of the consensus agrees to Ultra's design, I might as well replace them with that design. Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am?   What do you want?    What do I do?   01:04, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Go for it. -- 02:42, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

In conclusion: Ultrasonic9000's design is to be used for the game templates. I would like to stress that no image is to be used on the template, as this has already been overlooked once. If interest in working on this project dies out entirely, the template may be deleted without notice. Unless there are any objections, I will close this discussion shortly. -- 06:04, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

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 * 1) SonicRunPeace.gifMariosonic15  I always race to win! Tailsbye.gif 21:21, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
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 * 1) -- ~♥Snegg♥ Nicolewhite.PNG 02:19, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
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 * 1) Sometimes I wonder if everything I do is bad on here. :/ 16:16, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * 15:45, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) MobiusWalker (talk) 15:40, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2)  Psyche  the Hedgehog  06:12, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) Shelly   the   Hedgehog
 * 1) Shelly   the   Hedgehog

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VOTING IS NOW CLOSED

No image

 * 1) -- 19:09, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) --SlugDrones • (Contact) 19:10, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) --Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 19:11, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) -- Quack Like you mean itundefined  19:12, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5)  19:32, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6) -- Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am?   What do you want?   What do I do?  21:21, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 7)  21:26, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 8) Supermorff (talk) 19:34, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * 9)  18:05, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 10) Pacmansonic138 (talk) 06:38, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * 11) Count me in! The Ultimate Silver Fan! (talk) 06:40, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * 12) CariconCommander (talk) 06:42, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * 13)  06:49, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

VOTING IS NOW CLOSED

Conclusion

 * I implied that this was already closed awhile ago, but I will restate myself. Community is in favor of no image, so that's what we'll roll with. -- 10:53, August 23, 2013 (UTC)