Talk:Knuckles the Echidna

Automated transfer of Problem Report #10660
You all hate Knuckles the echidna. He is NOT the dummy of the family and he doen't pretend over his feelings. The following message was left by Ritalink via PR #10660 on 2008-06-09 07:03:01 UTC

''I was looking for information and I noticed that in the kuckles the echidna article says tht knuckles has 16 years and sonic has 17!!! that´s incorrect!!!'' if you check in some instruction book of any sonic game you will noticed that sonic is younger than knuckles

pda: sorry if I don´t write in good form but I dont know much english :) well that´s all for now I hope you check it and change it
 * I thought he was 20? Or atleast older than Sonic.--Mystic Monkey 01:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Knuckles in Sonic the hedgehog 3 was listed as 15 years old, but when Sonic Adventure came out he was changed to 16. Sonic on the other hand, i heard was listed in Japan as 10 in the first game, but this is only what i heard.. but in Sonic Jam he was listed as 16, and In Sonic adventure when they changed things around, sonic was listed as 15. But i honestly thought they were older when i first became a fan too.
 * -Knuckles'Girl 11:54, 31 December,2010
 * -Knuckles'Girl 11:54, 31 December,2010

Stupidness in StH
In the game with mephiles (the one called Sonic the hedgehog), he seems to be a little dumber. I noticed that he was not able to catch a card that Sonic threw to him (maybe because of his hands)Also in the scene at the the end where the characters run off to find the emeralds, he runs in the wrong direction for no apparent reason. Strange? Should it be added to the artical ar is it not noteworthy? Hellkaiserryo12 18:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not noteworthy. Besides, it's not as if you have a map telling you he was going in the wrong direction, so you can't prove it. And Knuckles not being able to catch a card is probably because of his hands, like you said. And you couldn't say Knuckles has always been the sharpest tool in the shed, anyway.Fair field fencer F F F  19:12, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

If you ask me, someone should really put in Knuckles has "dumbed down" in the recent games. But hey, every family needs a dummy!

--Sonicrox14 04:29, 30 March 2009 (UTC)Sonicrox14

Knuckles is more of a clutz than a dummy in Sonic The Hedgehog. He can't catch the card because of his reaction timing, not his hands or intelligence. He didn't turn around fast enough to know it was coming. He went the wrong way (which can be proven by watching it) but he didn't know which direction everyone else was going. It was just to be funny for the scene. Knuckles HAS dumbed down in the recent games but probably to be funny because they seem to act like he's all tough and super strong with no brains or something. Isn't that what Big The Cat and Vector were for? Knuckles was the special one. "Every family needs a dummy" yeah but they don't need to make a cool and smart character into the dummy. And I can't really say I'd agree with "you couldn't say Knuckles has always been the sharpest tool in the shed" because he kinda has always been pretty sharp. Does being tricked by Robotnik really mean he's stupid? He didn't know them AT ALL and was going by the mural. It was a matter of who got to Knuckles first. Being tricked by Robotnik in Sonic Adventure was a little different except Knuckles was after the Master Emerald and Eggman showed him a Chaos Emerald which got him off his back. It was the truth. Saying that Sonic was after the Master Emeralds was just to make Knuckles skeptical but Knuckles didn't blame Sonic until he thought he actually saw a shard of the emerald in his hands. Other than that Knuckles has been pretty intelligence as even in Sonic Underground they mention how he sets a lot of traps. He's a treasure hunter and is even so in Sonic OVA where he's also pretty smart. In Sonic Shuffle he's quite wise and intelligent as is in Sonic Adventure 2 if you see how he really acts towards Rouge particularly after their fight in space (he treats her like he's a higher authority figure teaching her a lesson). I think Knuckles doesn't get enough credit and the Sonic characters in general are reflecting personalities of their stereotypes lately.

I found those quite funn. And Vector may be strong but he's not dumb, he may not be as smart as his Sonic the Comic couterpart but he is pretty smart with an average intelligence. SEGA only dumbed Knux down for that one game to make it funnier and it was very funny. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

... Black Knight
To me it looks likes he's useing two axes, not two swords.  Myself 123  13:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

They look like they're both mixed together. Clever them! S.H. 09:08 PM, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * they can combine into one sword i think-- Skylerthewasp  23:20, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I have also noticed in his bio in the gallery(i actaully decided not to rush through that game now so i have have unlocked it) it says that Knuckles is 18!! And he's the only one with an age change! Should I change his age? I hope sega doesn't revamp them again, in the old gen. they were were cute and chubby, now they're awesome looking. I like how they look right now, if sega revamps the characters again they're going to look stupid.--UltimateShadow 02:31, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it's because his role in the game (Sir Gawain) was 18, while he, in reality, is 16. P.S. He's not the only character who aged. in Amy Rose's first appearance, she was 8. Also, in Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood, Sonic is 17 (though this could be non-canon, since it's a spin-off) --Sonicrox14 03:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC) Shelly the  Hedgehog 

Lies
It says in Knuckles information that he dislikes Rouge.I say thats incorrect because in a few Sonic movies and games it shows Knuckles and Rouge are in love,even one of my friends agree. Write back. From,NiGHTS Rocks.

From what I know, there is only one Sonic movie, which doesn't even have Rouge. And what games showed they were in love?

Apparently someone's forgetting that Knuckles and Rouge fight each other. Let's see. Knuckles meets Rouge as a theif. Knuckles doesn't like theives. Knuckles saves Rouge because... well come on would Knuckles let her die? Plus she had the other shards still and he needed those. He even says so. Rouge GIVES them back so he apologizes and runs off. There aren't any signs in that game of them liking each other. Yeah, we see her look at him after being saved, looks more like shock, and is then followed by her telling him to let go and that he's a creep who just wants to hold her hand. Knuckles responds "This isn't a game you know!?" Sounds like he wasn't interested in talking about suck a "Stupid" subject. In pretty much every other game they have no direct contact anymore except when Rouge says "We'll take it from here" and Knuckles says "what'd you say!?" and in Sonic The Hedgehog where Rouge insults Knuckles' treasure hunting skills and Knuckles says she could stay behind if the area were too creepy. Both of those were disputing words and were their only contact with each other in those two games. One must remember, each character symbolizes something like their names. Sonic's name is Sonic representing his speed. Tails is Tails representing his...well tails. Eggman, his shape. Knuckles, his fists. Rouge, her make up. Shadow, his dark tone and similarity to Sonic. Metal Sonic... no need to point that one out. Big because he's "big, and Froggy because he's a frog". Silver, his color. Blaze, her fire. Amy ROSE, becuase her symbolism to romance and love (also being a female character, colored pink, same species as the main character and in love with the main character) So you can see how AMY is the symbol of love for the series and is likely the only character to have such feelings towards anyone REALLY while the rest show signs of ignoring such a thing like Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Cream, Eggman, Espio, Silver, Rouge, Blaze, etc with the closest thing to it being one of them blushing or being nervous.

One problem with your argument bub. SEGA released an official statement saying that Rouge indeed does have a crush on Knuckles, and there have been instances showing that Knuckles may have feelings for her as well (something doesn't become one of the most popular pairings known without good evidence). You could consider it one of those love-hate relationships, where the two usually argue and fight, but they do actually care about each other.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 17:35, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Further, in "Defeating Eggman, Part 2," Knuckles makes a strange, uncontrolled smile when told by Rouge that he looks cute when he's angry, as evidenced here. There is no need to speculate when we have this kind of proof. Edit: In response to the second paragraph above this one (the long one), that face looks nothing like pure shock, but rather a brief unveiling of his actual emotions. As Knuckles already has a life commitment to the Master Emerald, he may simply feel that a relationship is impractical, deciding to pretend that his feelings don't exist. -Gotacalc

Personally, I think Knuckles probably does like Rouge at least somewhat, especially in Sonic X. Sure, he can't stand her, and I know this sounds weird, but I think that the fact that he can't stand her is probably a pretty good clue that he actually likes her.CarrietheCat 01:15, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Questions about Knuckles
1:are thos spikes on his fists part of the gloves or do they grow from his hands? 2:is the white thing on his chest a marking or a collar? 3:[joke] why do his shoes look like legos at the top?--Meowmix5 20:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)meowmix5.

A1:I have always thought the spikes on his gloves were just a part of his gloves. A2:It's often called a birthmark or a tattoo, i believe it's a birthmark. A3:I thought i was the only one to notice that! I don't know, probably to make his shoes look cool(since most sonic characters' shoes are cool looking).--Kit the Cat A4: i think it grows with his hand because in sonic x they brake off but then in the next episode they are back again so im pretty sure it grows from his hands.

This would be better suited as a forum. 1. They are his spiked knuckles, hence the name, all male echidnas from the Knuckles Tribe have them 2. It is a birthmark 3.I'd say it's a metal plate with studs.  Myself 123  21:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

thanks. im naturally curious about....well everything. im asking questions[or making jokes]on most character articles. i figured if i asked questions,answerers would be intrigued to find out more about knuckles....just my thought process. thank you again. artemis fowl 3--Meowmix5 20:38, 1 May 2009 (UTC)meowmix5

Sorry this response is so late, you all probably don't care anymore, but if it makes a difference, In the Archie comics, Knuckles' dad, Locke explains that the spiked Knuckles were the sign of their tribe and the guardians wore them on their gloves. Knuckles however was born with actual spiked knuckles on his hands because of some weird experiment his Dad did on him while he was still in his egg before he was born.Sonictoast 15:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

actually, i do still care. thanks,toaster.--Artemiscat55 00:07, October 12, 2009 (UTC)artemiscat55

Here's an interesting note. His spikes are part of his fists because Echidnas actually have two long claws on each limb for digging. They are also not part of his gloves at all. Litterally. His gloves are boxing gloves for one (and he DOES have fingers as seen in Sonic Underground and Sonic X) He wears boxing gloves because he punches a lot and punches hard, this could show that his hands aren't AS big as they appear (though the appear bigger these days than they use to for some reason) but these boxing gloves had HOLES in them for his spikes. This shows that the spikes are not only part of his fist but also aren't coverd by the gloves and that his spikes are actually white bone, especially as in Sonic X you'll see an episode of Knuckles punching Yellow Zelkova's knee (I think it was knee) over and over and then punching it as hard as he can which breaks the spikes on one of his hands where they just look like little stubs and Knuckles yells in pain.

Alright, for one, Knuckles' fingers were never shown in Sonic X. Second; two words bub, "not" and "canon". TV shows are their own seperate continuities. In the mainstream games, it is unknown whether the spikes are part of the gloves or part of Knuckles' body. Until you have actual info from a mainstream Sonic game that explicitely says/shows what you're saying, your argument pretty much amounts to bubkus. I mean come on, Knuckles isn't exactly like normal echidna's, now is he?--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 17:29, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

According to the comics, I say SonicToast is right about the gloves. As for the white crescent on his chest, I think it's a family birthmark that distinguishes him as a guardian. I can't remember exactly which one it was (maybe #24?), but in one of the knuckles the echidna comics, some restaurant manager in Albion recognized Knuckles as a guardian by that mark and starting treating him like he was echidna royalty or something (by the way, I think that the KTE series was pretty awesome and really hope that they bring it back!). I don't know if his lego shoes mean anything, they're probably just part of the design.CarrietheCat 04:34, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Answer
1:I'd say that the spikes do grow on his hands.2:It probley is a marking.3:And this one I don't know.From,NiGHTS Rocks 21:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)NiGHTS Rocks

Pinball??
Why do his likes include "playing pinball", eh? Since when?-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 03:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you think he might've played pinball in one of the Sonic comics? Maybe that's why pinball is on the list --Sonicrox14 03:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC) Shelly the  Hedgehog 

Ah, no wonder I don't think so... cause I don't read the comics! DX... Thanks for the point-out, Sonicrox14 ^_^.-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 04:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I know this is an extremely late response to this topic, but in Sonic Pinball Party the first level is Knuckles challenging Sonic to a game of Pinball. Unlike Tails and Amy who are brainwashed and forced to play Pinball, Knuckles plays it by his own free will. Sonictoast 15:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

comix dont mater
i dont think the comix part of knucx should not be in his character profile, mabey list it in other media.

It was just a guess I could be %100 wrong dude --Sonicrox14 04:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC) Shelly the  Hedgehog 

You are right! I did the same with Sonic's profile but FFF removed my edit. 58SlugDrones! I WILL DEVOR YOUR SOULS!  16:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Well I think the comics should be part of their profile. They appeared in them just like they appeared in the games and tv series, right?CarrietheCat 04:38, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Hey
Since when did Knuckles started liking grapes and hating rollercoasters? Can someone tell me? 58SlugDrones! I WILL DEVOR YOUR SOULS!  16:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Knuckles Liked grapes since day 1, in the manual for sonic the hedgehog 3 it says "[Knuckles] :he likes fruit, especially grapes." But the rollercoasters i would like to know too......Knuckles'girl191, 11:49,31 december 2010

It says he dislikes rollercosters in Sonic X.24.238.69.110 18:05, February 1, 2011 (UTC)Me

STC info
My bro has the STC Knuckles knock out special, where they list stuff about Knuckles creation, if you want tomorrow I can scan a copy of the page about him. It has stuff that as far as I'm aware of isn't common knowledge. The information can be taken from it if wanted. One-Winged Hawk 21:03, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * You are of course welcome to scan it in if you like, or just add some information somewhere appropriate. However, I also have the Knuckles Knock-Out Special, and I don't think there's much information there. Some of it is pretty generic, such as "people didn't know what an echidna was" and "he was given white gloves and fancy shoes". It does say they did some focus testing for children, which is kinda cool, but I imagine that's pretty common among those sorts of characters. But, hey, if you think any of it is worth a mention, then please do mention it!
 * On a separate note, the KKOS has some decent info about badniks from the game Knuckles' Chaotix. Someone should probably add those at some point. -- Supermorff 21:28, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay then, thats cool, I thought I'd ask to check. Its actually nice to hear a communitity for a where someone has it already for a change. ;-) One-Winged Hawk 21:39, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Prongs
I have a question: has anyone noticed that Knuckles' prongs change position in almost every Sonic game? SEGA Fan BOSS 22:08, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Prongs? Do you mean his dreadlocks? They are not rigid, and don't have a fixed position. -- Supermorff 22:19, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

I was referring to the prongs on his fists. SEGA Fan BOSS 03:11, November 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, his knuckles. No, I have never noticed that before. Well spotted. -- Supermorff 09:00, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, see, as an example, sometimes when he's not using his fists, the prongs are on the top of his fists, but when he usually attacks someone, somehow they're pointing outward. If they always pointed outward, it would make sense on how he can cut through stuff. But then they point upward when not fighting (and in Sonic 2006, even when he was fighting), and when he fights with his prongs pointing upward and hits someone normally, how can he cut through stuff that way; he would have to hit something as though he was lifting a barbell. Not saying that he's weak without his prongs, but he can't cut through anything if he throws a punch normally and his prongs point upward. these pictures prove it:

Here's a picture of Knuckles' prongs pointing outward; the way they should.



Now here's a picture that makes no sense--Knuckles' prongs pointing upward.



SEGA Fan BOSS 15:35, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Well, One's knuckles do move slightly when one's fist is clenched.  Myself  123  15:39, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Knuckles is pointing one of his hands foward in the top one, and upward in the bottom one... his hand, in the top one is facing toward the veiwer, so it appears his spikes are facing out, but in the bottom he is in a different stace, so they appear to be in a different place. but i can see that it seems a little different. sometimes they are bigger than other times.... and just as weird...sometimes his eyes are deep blue (most of the time) and sometimes they are purple. the two pictures here actually show that one!! i think the purple comes from the comics mostly..... :) Knuckles'girl191 12:07, 31 December 2010

Popularity
He IS more popular than Tails...isn't he? He should be if he isn't because he's so cool! ChaosFreak 18:02, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

According to some popularity poll that sonic Channel took a while back, Knuckles falls behind Tails as 4th place, while Tails is 3rd. I'm a Super NOVA! 01:42, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Anti-hero?
Could we not consider Knuckles an anti-hero? He's always fighting with Sonic, he likes to do things his own way, he's worked for Eggman in the past, etc. Gefred7112 23:48, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't mean he's an anti-hero. When he fights Sonic, that means he was either tricked or the fact that they're rivals. When he likes to do things on his own, that's because he was always a loner, ever since he was born... er, hatched. He also didn't work "for" Robotnik. He allied himself with Robotnik because he though Sonic and Tails were trying the steal the Master Emerald. He didn't reveal any of not all the secrets of the Floating Island to Dr. Robotnik. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Knuckles doesn't care for good or evil but only to protect the M.E. Knuckles squashes robots and traping Sonic and Tails just to get the M.E back in just for revenge on Eggman in Sonic 3 and Knuckles and Sonic and Knuckles. He only helps for the M.E not good or evil thats Anti Hero enough. Like how Shadow only helps Sonic when something he wants to protect or fufill is in danger. Also why have Hero or Villian stuff there all based on how you see it. Like Eggman if you like seeing woodland creature's put into robots than he's a good guy and if you hate people who run faster than you that would be a villian in your cause. All really opinion.

I don't know about you guys, but I would classify Knuckles as a hero all the way. Sure, he fights Sonic sometimes as a rival, but that was mostly in the past. He's now one of Sonic's friends and teammates. He wasn't getting anything for himself when he helped Sonic and Tails in Sonic Heroes and the Sonic Riders series; he chose to help them. Also, in the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comics, he and the rest of the Chaotix are defenders of Mobius right along with the freedom fighters.CarrietheCat 01:30, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

About Eggman
is it just me or does knuckles almost never fight eggman directly?````

Well, he dose in the Sonic Advance series, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Rivals series, Knuckles' Chaotix and Knuckles in Sonic 2. I think that's all.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  01:30, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * He also does in Flying Battery Zone in Sonic and Knuckles. Gefred7112 22:21, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Characters on likes/dislikes
I'm thinking that maybe its best to leave other characters off of the likes/dislikes lists and have them appear only on the friends/enemies lists to avoid cluttering the list. Good Idea? Yes? No?

Yeah, that's a good idea. It does kind of clutter the likes/dislikes lists, and if you really went into detail on that, it would be really cluttered. It only needs to be there on the friends/ enemies list.CarrietheCat 04:44, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

What's going on here?
All I did was capitalize 'DS', then half the freakin' page was deleted! I swear, I did nothing but capitalize two letters! 19:04, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Let me guess, Wario is a rival and enemy of Knuckles in Mario & Sonic series, like Storm in Sonic Riders series. Mario &amp; Sonic Heroes 14:04, October 26, 2010

Why of course, I would've though someone with a name like yours would know.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  16:10, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia
I think we need to be more specific about what we put in the trivia section, when putting some thing in trivia look to see if it would go better in another section. I'm gonna go through and take out the stuff that isn't really trivia.24.115.227.219 13:40, November 10, 2010 (UTC)Hayleychaotix

New.... hairstyle???
Ok.... after looking at many Sonic Underground things... but something is getting werider in Knuckles by show, game and everything... is it his hair??? but something is making him.... werider!!

Hyper Sophz 20:41, March 8, 2011 (UTC)Hyper Sophz

You don't know that. In the games, he's the only guardian we've seen. Maybe the ones before were equally terrible at their jobs. -- Supermorff 20:48, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Morff's got a point. Tikal didn't even know of it's existence until she found it at the Shrine in Sonic Adventure -- '<font color="Crimson">Murphyshane - <font color="#00b6ee"> Morph! He's alive! <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here '  20:50, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Music?
You guys only listed two songs on his solo theme yet you guys forgot to mention Pumpkin Hill & Meteor Herd

Also if you pay attention to the lyrics His world is actually talking about Sonic Tails & Knuckles.

Concept design?
I think that to his "concept" section, we should add the image that's been floating around the Internet where he has a huge head and a peach belly like Sonic's. I don't have the link on hand, but if we decide to add it in, I will find the image and add it myself. I think it would be an interesting tidbit to add to his article. User:Ivystripe/sig 02:23, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Images
Why is this... For every main character aside from Sonic, as seen here, why do they all have these weird low-quality images as the main page images? --TheLairOfRockwhales

What color are His eyes?
What Color are Knuckles' eyes? they were origionally blue? were they not? but they are sometimes purple or perrywinke... does anyone have a guess? i like knuckles, and have no idea! November 30, 2011 (UTC) Knuckles'girl101 November 29,2011 ,11:26 pm

I According eyes are dark purple KnucklesFlopiSega 04:33, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Knuckles' short comings
I do have a question, I don't mean to cause trouble... but the page says that "Knuckles seems to have matured somewhat in Sonic Generations. While he still displays some aggressive, headstrong and stubborn behavior, he is shown being better to acknowledge his shortcomings and displays more personal restraint and better social interaction".(emphasis mine). the problem is, that he didn't have oppurtunity to have a short coming in the game.... but he didn't hit amy back, (but who would :< ) .... so he may show some more restaint... but i don't know if he'd take well to being called sucker or things like that.... he's too stubboorn. no one really had a real chance to interact in that game, the feel was more like to a mario game. But i do like it!, question is, can we post that as a fact? sorry, i don't mean to sound pushy or anything :) -knucklesgirl101173.63.4.136 17:25, January 2, 2012 (UTC)