Board Thread:Site Discussions/@comment-2054358-20150221164611/@comment-2054358-20150221205143

So the score is 4-6. Let's review the comments Glitchguy wrote: Support: A lot of other wikis like the Pokemon and LoZ wikis do this, and yeah, "blah blah we're not other wikis", but I don't see why we shouldn't follow these wiki's footsteps. Yeah, that's what I believe too. Although technically, Bulbapedia and Zelda Wiki doesn't have individual articles on the Smash characters. Mystic Monkey wrote: 1. It's not Sonic- and thats precisely the good point to start off with. We're a Sonic wiki and our information relates to Sonic one way or another. Mario has more history with Sonic than any other fighter in the game series but the interactions Sonic has with other fighters in this game does not count as legitimate. (I even question if the characters themselves are as canon to there actual game counterparts, given there combat rituals such as turning into trophies.) Sure, Mario may be relevant to Sonic, but what about Waluigi? Mystic Monkey wrote: 2. Sonic isn't a main character- Super Mario is the posterboy of the Super Smash Brothers along with the majority of fighters hailing from the Super Mario series, being Nintendos mascot that makes him pretty own own the game. Plus while Sonic is regarded as a "veteran", chances are Nintendo decided to keep him just to profit from Sonic fans wanting to fight as Sonic (He seemed more shoehorned in SSB4 than he was in Brawl). The point I am making is just because there is no singular main character in a fighting game doesn't mean they are all main characters, they're just protagonists and antagonists dishing it out one way or another. For when it not comes to the actual game, Sonic has the least apperance in commercialism around Brawl and 4. When it comes to stats, Mario and Sonic Olympic games are more 50-50 with Sonic while Sonic only takes up a small portion of Super Smash Bros. It's not a Mario game. As much as Mario is the mascot of Nintendo, it's not a Mario game. It's a Nintendo crossover game. And as much as they like to use Mario for testing controls and the tutorial video, it's actually possible to go through the Subspace Emissary without using Mario. Mystic Monkey wrote: 3. We'd be another Smash Wiki- My main concern is that for a Sonic wiki we'd give too much article attention to Nintendo characters who don't really need it. Not to mention there will be more third-party Nintendo character articles than we have third-party sega characters, some of which have had history with Sonic. It look kinda ridiculous if Nintendo out-populates Sega here. True, with my articles added, we'd have 37 Nintendo characters to 14 Sega characters. But because of Worlds Collide, Capcom is outpopulating Sega with 22 characters. And there are some Sega characters that need articles like BD Joe. Mystic Monkey wrote: 5. Smash doesn't count- It only counts as a spin-off game. articles about spin-off games are approved as well as articles on it's Sonic related contents, but we don't have to add all the non-Sonic content along with it. That would be like having articles on the air he breaths or his poops. Okay, we're not literally covering everything. Just veteran character articles. Mystic Monkey wrote: 6. More admins and experienced users voted delete- So as an admin my oppinions to promote more sega based articles over Nintendo on a Sonic wiki is overruled? Well, I do support an alternative which I think would be best. With all the Super Smash articles you made, why can't you put them all onto one single article? If anything this way the article will be more directly related to Sonic than they would be seperately because as playable fighters they all are optionally interactible with Sonic. Well if we want a list, I think it should be at least consistent. Why not have a list of Mario characters, or Sega characters. Or maybe a list of Mega Man characters. ShadowUnleashed13 wrote: Actually, those characters listed appeared in media with Sonic outside Super Smash Bros. We have the Olympic games series, the All-Stars Racing games, and Mega Man comes from Worlds Collide. Also, the rule you mentioned states that Sonic has to be a main character, which I'll get to next. Yeah, we have the Olympics, All-Stars Racing and World's Collide. So why not Smash Bros? ShadowUnleashed13 wrote: From my point of view, these sentences contradict each other. No central protagonist, no main characters, not even Sonic. That's actually a good point. Those sentences do contradict eachother. Except that I meant that it's not focused on one character. The entire roster are the stars. ShadowUnleashed13 wrote: The point was to figure out if Sonic could be considered a main character the way you argued he was in Brawl, because of his role in the story. There is no story mode in Smash 4, so even if Sonic's story role in Brawl was his qualification as a main character, then he most certainly is not a main character in Smash 4. Yeah, his role in the story is a little too small. But why should Brawl's story matter in Smash 4? ShadowUnleashed13 wrote: That was before the non-Sonic characters rule was changed. Invalid point. Actually, it is valid. Look at the old rule: "This is primarily a Sonic wiki, but we permit a small number of non-Sonic characters to have pages. Such characters must have appeared as a playable character in at least two games in which Sonic was a main character. This includes crossover games, but excludes games in which Sonic merely made cameo appearances." And that was from July 16 2010. Sonic still had to be a main character when playable and couldn't be a cameo. If Sonic wasn't a main character in Brawl, Donkey Kong was still a rulebreaker. Candy55101 wrote: Oppose: Right now I'm against making pages for characters like Fox McCloud, it seems too irrlevent to me. In Sonic & Mega Man: Worlds Collide, Sonic is obviously in it a lot plus we cover all the comics including all the new characters so that isn't a good example. Donkey Kong has a page because he was in the olympic games (which is both a Mario and Sonic game). I get your argument about Bowser Jr. but that was 5 years ago. The wiki and the people here have changed, so have the standards. If I was here when that happened I would not be ok with Donkey Kong getting a page before the olympic games. Also the only Mario characters that have pages right now are the ones that have appeared in the olympic games (there are none that have only appeared in smash) and still not even all the characters have pages such as on this page we just link Toad to the Mario wiki. Even if Sonic is playable in a Mario game, that doesn't mean we have to cover every single part of the game including making pages for all the characters. In my opinion we should only have pages for things that can be connected back to Sonic. Can R.O.B relate back to Sonic in anyway? You may not like having a Fox page, but I'm excited to see Pikachu on a Sonic site. And can R.O.B. relate to Sonic? Not really. At least Link made an appearance in the Sonic Lost World DLC and the final form of Solaris looks like the crest of Hyrule. It really was a challenge connecting these characters to Sonic. And technically, we do have a Toad page. SilverPlays97 wrote: Oppose: Think about it this way: Where would I go to know about Link's moves in Smash U? The zelda or smash wiki of course. I wouldn't search the sonic wiki to find this information. We are Sonic wiki, 1st and foremost. We only add information from other game series if something from it had a serious role with the sonic universe. Sonic and Mega Man had dozens of comics together, so therefore Mega Man should have his own article about his role in the crossover. Having an article about gigglypuff, where it was playable 2 two games and nothing else, doesn't sound productive. It might even be counter-productive. Unless you convince me how adding these articles will help the wiki, its a no. That's a good point. Luma.dash wrote: Oppose: Anything that Sonic doesn't involve in it very much cannot be calculated. Technically, Sonic is involved. MrBreada wrote: Support: Sonic IS one of the featured characters in Smash. Not as much so as the Nintendo characters, but still. Also, if we can't add this info, why not DELETE the Smash articles and put those games in the Cameo article? That's exactly what I was thinking! If Sonic's not a main character, chances are, he's a cameo. <div class="quote" Ultrasonic9000 wrote: I am afraid I also have to oppose. I am sorry, but I believe that it is best we draw a line at some point to avoid unnecessary material overflowing. Yeah, unnecessary overflowing can be a problem.