Talk:Fang the Sniper

that last bit of trivia, what about bean the dynamite?Myself 123 17:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Voice Actor
when was Fang ever in a game where he had a voice actor?  Myself 123  21:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Stupid IPs. What is a fan voice!?  Myself 123  02:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just going to state the obvious and say "the voice of a fan?"Fair field fencer F F F  08:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * O.k, now i'm confrazzeld, dose that mean that there is some sort of fanfic were this guy voiced Fang then?  Myself 123  23:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No, that was a joke.Fair field fencer F F F  07:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh right, but i stillo don't know what a fan voice is.  Myself 123  11:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think he ever had a voice, but since I am here to start a Poll on his voice, it's on a question I been debating with local Sonic fans here.--Mystic Monkey 00:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)  If Fang/Nack had a voice, what accent would suit him? Australian Cowboy Chicago None/Other? I would like to emphasis the word "If" in the poll question, as in "What if". It's merely speculation and a question than any actual voice acting by Sega.

For some reason, Nack with the same exact same voice as the Sniper comes to mind. But I think John Patrick Lowrie would make him sound too hard@$$ if you know what I mean.--''' Mystic Monkey is at  Pumpkin Hill  this Halloween. ''' 20:30, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I think it needs to be Australian, but also cartoony.PyroGothNerd (talk) 22:27, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

fanfic
This is not the place for fanfiction for a game that dosen't exsist.  Myself 123  17:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

rumours
there are rumours going around that Fang is appearing in unleashed, do you think it's somthing we can put in trivia?
 * I don't see why not. But add a reference to these rumours.Fair field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  16:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That was me earlier, forgot to sign my name, the rumours are all over the internet.  Myself 123  17:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That rumor has been debunked: http://blogs.sega.com/sonic/2008/08/20/lack-t-weasel/163.192.13.120 18:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Um, is it possible that Fang could appear in Sonic 4? it is a "classic" game and SEGA said we'd be pleased with the cast of the 2nd episode. we also want fang back...... What Comes Up Must come down....

Nack vs. Fang
I believe the article should be Nack the Weasel instead of Fang the Sniper. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master


 * Why? -- Supermorff 07:52, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Because most people on this wikia know him better as Nack the Weasel. And Fang is his Japanese name. Not his American name. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kaze no Kizu!  23:39, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

He was called Nack in Triple Trouble, but he was called Fang in Drift 2 and Sonic the Fighters.  Myself <font color="Black">123  23:46, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

He's also called Nack in the Archie comics as well as StC. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kaze no Kizu!  00:05, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but this page is about the game character, we have pages about the comic character. He was Nack is his first game, but he was Fang in the other games, and we should go with most recent, like Eggman.  Myself <font color="Black">123  00:10, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

That was to connect it to his Japanese name. It's somewhat like the Genesis. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kaze no Kizu!  01:12, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

What if Nack was named Fang in the other games to change it to his Japanese name?  Myself <font color="Black">123  01:20, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Outdated, but whatever, Fang the Sniper appears to be an alias, just like Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Rbotonik, his wanted poster in Sonic Generations practically confirmes it.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  16:15, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

So Nack the Weasel is his English name and Fang the Sniper is his Japanese name? If Nack did had a comeback in recent games would this still apply? That in English dubs he be nack and in Japanese he be Fang?--''' <font color="00FF69">Mystic Monkey is at  Pumpkin Hill  this Halloween. ''' 20:33, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

The Wanted poster for Fang reads: "Wanted, for theft and extortion, Nack the Weasel, A.K.A Fang the Sniper." Now, I'm no expert but I think wanted posters usually list the persons real name first and then their moniker, so it looks like his real name is Nack the Weasel, but he usually goes by Fang the Sniper.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:37, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hm, on that note then I believe that thr OPs question is valid then. Perhaps this article should be called Nack the Weasel as that is his true name. Unless it's like a hero/villain identidy.--<span style="background-color: silver; border-bottom:4px inset red; border-left:4px outset red; border-right:4px outset red; border-top:4px inset red;"><font color="#1CD3A2"> Mystic Monkey   is at  Holoska  this  Christmas    _   20:06, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, Doctor Eggman's page is still titled as "Doctor Eggman", even though it's just a nickname.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:18, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * True, but in the last known game, what was his identidy? Whats close to canon do we have?--<span style="background-color: green; border-bottom:4px inset green; border-left:4px outset green; border-right:4px outset green; border-top:4px inset green;"><font color="#1CD3A2"> Mystic Monkey  is a MonoBook wikian.   _   05:03, February 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * A little late to react, but still...


 * Well, in his last known game (Sonic Generations), he was known under both names. But before that, his last game in wich he was a part of the gameplay, was Sonic the Fighters. Here, he is known as Fang the Sniper. Also in Sonic Drift 2, he is known as Fang. The name Nack isn't present in any of these games. This 2 games were also part of Sonic Gem Collection, in wich he was known as Fang the Sniper.


 * So the name Nack was only mentioned in Sonic Generations (in game), the name Fang was also mentioned in Generations, but also in Drift 2 and Fighters. In Sonic Triple Trouble, none of the names was mentioned in game (In the manuels, Fang was mentioned in Japan, and Nack in the West.)


 * Fang the Sniper is the most used name for this character in the game. BeRzEcKeR (talk) 10:42, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Nack's Fingers
Are we serious about Nack losing his finger to the Yakuza? Seriously people. This isn't a fanfic. This site is going to become a joke. Wouldn't it make more sense that Nack has less fingers because he's from another dimension, as his Japanese manuel states. I mean we've never met another "Special Zone" entity. Who's to say they don't all have four fingers? The Variable 19:17, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't say that he lost his finger to the Yakuza. it says that him having 4 fingers could be a reference to the Yakuza.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  21:34, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Those who play Shenmue and got the Fang toy will know one hand has one less fingers than the other. As for why Nack has three fingers on one hand and four the other is unknown as by the looks of the toy, both hands look natual (the four-fingered glove litually had a middle finger between the two, the glove or hand didn't look disfigured, just -1 finger). So why exactly Nack has an odd set of digits is unknown. I say if Sonic Team ever brings him back they should keep his odd hands anyway.--<font color="00FF69">Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 17:06, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Is Fang giving the finger?
I recently downloaded a ROM (don't you judge me!) of Sonic Drift 2 and whilst I was playing as Fang, I noticed he does an unusual hand gesture when he overtakes someone. After several attemps at getting a screenshot, I suceeded. However, from the image, it's hard to tell what fang is actually doing. Anyway, the ROM I have is the Japanese version, so can someone check for me if Fang does this in the American version? Because if he doesn't, that probably means he is giving the finger. Thank you.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:23, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Da finga!!!!! I'll check and see if he does. I think I have it in SADX. Oooooh you not gonna believe this! 20:52, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Cheers, if he is, it'll be a nice, little piece of trivia.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:53, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Have you found out yet?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  22:16, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

O.k. so PK couldn't get access to the game, can anyone else find out for me?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  16:25, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Can anyone help me with Fang's mysterious hand gesture?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  21:23, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Fang's a Mur-Didily-urder! D:<
I heard somewhere,that Fang killed Cream's father. Is this true? 23:44, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

I doubt it.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  23:48, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Nack is a Classic era character whom I doubt will be returning anytime soon. Cream and her family are just before Modern era. So I doubt Nack and anyone of Creams family know of each others existance or care.--<font color="00FF69">Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 17:02, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Fang listed in Sonic and the Black Knight
I honestly think this should be taken off the page.

It lists Fang as in Sonic and the Black Knight as part of FAN ART. Fan art is NOT official, therefore should be removed. Sven 67.249.15.163 20:26, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

In Sonic and the Black Knight you can view a bunch of fan-art of Sonic from all over the world. (something I think was awesome of SEGA to do)PyroGothNerd (talk) 22:29, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

That makes no sense, the art was added into the game, was should it be removed?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  22:34, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

X-Treme
I heard Fang was to appear in Sonic Xtreme, but it doesn't mention that in the article.--Bandicootfan63 (talk) 11:54, December 15, 2012 (UTC)CM


 * Oh, nevermind.--Bandicootfan63 (talk) 11:59, December 15, 2012 (UTC)CM

I used fang all the time in sonic the fighters when i was like 8 :P [[User:Blazethecat9 | Blaze Is My Name, Fire is my game! 06:05, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Ummmm...fangirling?
Is it wierd I'm starting to develop a crush on this guy? O_o PyroGothNerd (talk) 22:33, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Renaming
Should we reconsider renaming this article? I mean, the wanted poster in Sonic Generations refers to his name as Nack the Weasel and that his alias is "Fang the Sniper". It just seems prioritized in my opinion.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 19:05, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

I think the reason why "Nack the Weasel" is prioritised in the poster is because "Fang the Sniper" is a nickname. Overall, the name Fang the Sniper has been used more times than Nack the Weasel, so I think it should stay as it is.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  19:23, June 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * That's true...whomever you are (remember to sign!), but another thing to keep in mind is that Eggman went from "Dr. Robotnik (AKA Eggman)" to "Dr. Eggman (AKA Robotnik)" in his profiles, and his article thus goes with what's normally considered the nickname since it's usually listed first. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:14, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * There is a difference though, the Eggman thing is from official material such as manuals, whilst this example is in-universe.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  19:32, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's arguable, given that the canonicity of Easter Eggs like this is debatable. ReddBird (talk) 12:40, August 29, 2017 (UTC)

Rename
In Nack's cameo in Sonic Generations, it states the character's name is "Nack the Weasel AKA Fang the Sniper", indicating that Nack is his real name and Fang is more of a nickname. The Archie Comics and Sonic the Comic also have him labeled as "Nack the Weasel", therefore, I believe we should rename the article to "Nack the Weasel", but leave the "Fang the Sniper" link as a redirect link. Comments? - 20:35, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) As per the suggestion above. 20:35, July 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) Destiny of Awe (talk) 20:38, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) I oppose, the character was known more as Fang the Sniper and the name is much more recognised. While Generations may suggest that Nack the Sniper is his real name, the nickname Fang the Sniper is used more in games. The name issue is more akin to Eggman and Robotnik and I think we should follow the Eggman page's example and keep it as Fang the Sniper.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:47, July 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * 2) This is tough, but I think it is best go by "Fang the Sniper". It is mainly because Sonic Central listed Fang's name as such, and those guys were basically the members on Sonic Team speaking English.
 * 3) If a nickname is more prevalent in usage for and character we should use that as the main title. Also per the two above me.

Discussion

 * To SU, Fang is not now known by his real name, it's just that wanted poster states "Nack the Weasel AKA Fang the Sniper" which suggests that Nack is his real name and that Fang the Sniper is a nickname. In his last appearance, (barring the Generations cameo) he was known as Fang the Sniper.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  23:33, July 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * So is that one poster all we have to go on for this name change? 03:20, July 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe so.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  03:22, July 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, if we are being honest, we should be consistent with the names. Both timeline counterparts from the Archie series and the Sonic the Comic counterpart are named "Nack", leaving this as the only article relating to the purple weasel not being named Nack, which makes it inconsistent. Also, Fang is probably a nickname while Nack is most likely his real name. If we're going be which name is used more, Fang may be used more in the games, but Nack is used everywhere else including a few games. Just further clarifying. - 18:48, July 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Consistency with other article names is completely irrelevant here because they're different versions of the character. Additionally, Fang was only ever called Nack in one game (two if you count the Generations cameo).  Myself  <font color="Black">123  18:55, July 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Further more we can't just accept whatever the AMERICAN made Archie comics likes or any other series for another.
 * @Myself What games did Nack have his name marked as "Fang the Sniper" and what games did he have where it was marked as "Nack"? - 20:38, July 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nack the Weasel was in Sonic Triple Trouble and the Sonic Generations cameo. Fang the Sniper was used in Sonic Drift 2, Sonic the Fighters, Tails Adventure cameo, and the Sonic Generations cameo.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  21:01, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

"Wanted for theft and extortion"
I don't think we can take that poster at face value as a canon fact that he's wanted for theft and extortion, seeing how it was just an Easter Egg and a cameo. If we're assuming that these kind of Easter Eggs are canon, then Sonic is a movie director who has directed at least one movie, and nearly everyone in the games' main cast is a movie actor, even Tikal. ReddBird (talk) 00:55, August 19, 2017 (UTC)


 * If there are no objections, I would like to remove the part about him being wanted for theft and extortion from the header and any other parts that take it as a canon fact, while still keeping it in the part that mentions his cameo from Generations. That way the article will address the Easter Egg without taking any instances on its canonicity or lackthereof; how to interpret it will be up to the reader. ReddBird (talk) 18:52, August 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * It should at least be mentioned in the trivia, just for the sake that it could be canon.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 18:55, August 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Allright, I removed its mention from the header. I didn't bother adding it to Trivia because it's still mentioned in Generations section and the Personality section. I'm cool with these mentions because of the wording used ("his poster in Sonic Generations suggests..."). ReddBird (talk) 02:28, August 25, 2017 (UTC)

Species Mistranslation Error
According to this article he's an obscure jumping rodent known as a jerboa. SonicSolSnake (talk) 17:32, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Already on the page, though I find it rather dubious as there doesn't seem to be official sources that confirm this.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  17:52, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't the thing of him being half-wolf half-jerboa be mentioned in the header? It currently that claims he's half-weasel, which was just a goof made by the localization team. And even then, they didn't claim he was half-wolf half-weason, but a weasel. ReddBird (talk) 02:21, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I don't even think this information should be here as it's unsourced and we're currently only taking some random Japanese fansite word on this. Besides, English sources have still listed him as a weasel or weasel-wolf hybrid, so there's no need to remove that.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  02:26, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, but which official English source states that he's half-weasel? The second reference's page doesn't work right. ReddBird (talk) 02:32, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * It's from the old, defunct official Sonic website, the pages don't seem to display properly on the wayback machine anymore which is a huge pain as they definitely listed him as being a wolf weasel.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  03:01, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * All right. If someone finds an official Japanese source of him being half-wolf half-jerboa, will we concede that the English material was inaccurate, his real species having been lost in translation, and update the article to correct it, though? ReddBird (talk) 20:04, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * It will have to be noted somewhere on the page, but we are an English-speaking wiki, so English sources tend to take precedence. Also, he was called a weasel in Generations.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:23, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * So we're even treating stuff proven to be mistranslations as facts? What kind of logic is that? Also, Generations just stated that he's known as Nack the Weasel, in addition to Fang the Sniper. Which he is, as that's the name the English manual of Triple Trouble gave him. It didn't state that he's actually a weasel. ReddBird (talk) 20:30, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * This is what TOUMA said: https://twitter.com/toumartcom/status/900516747534520320 IndigoPengi (talk) 05:31, September 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I think we should add it. We got enough sources to back it up, this isn't just some rumor that someone made. It's a legitimate translation discovery. - 08:07, September 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's the designer of Fang. That's actually proof. I think Fang is legitimately a jerboa. - 08:11, September 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Whoa. That's definitive proof that he's supposed to be a jerboa. For those who can't read Japanese, Touma states that despite Fang being presented as a weasel overseas, he was designed to have a jerboa motif. Now, do we have any Japanese sources of him being a wolf so we can know if he's supposed to be a hybrid or a pure jerboa? ReddBird (talk) 09:44, September 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * I think it would be fair to make such a deal. Last names are arbitrary in the Sonic series: Amy is for example not a Rose, and Mephiles is a mind-spirit thing and not dark.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 20:33, August 25, 2017 (UTC)

Not necessarily a mistranslation, could be localisation. Also, if you're saying we cannot trust the animal name attached to a character to be their actual species, then a lot of revisions to a lot of characters will need to be made.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  20:44, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * I had not considered that facet.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 20:45, August 25, 2017 (UTC)

It's recently been revealed by TOUMA himself that he did design Fang as a Jebora. https://twitter.com/toumartcom/status/900516747534520320 Granted, the character has always been referred to as a weasel outside of Japan and was seemingly retconed with Sonic Generations. There's also the wolf hybrid thing to consider even though all evidence of that now seems to be erased. We may need to create a section on the page regarding Fang's species due to all this. Thoughts?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  01:45, September 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * In what way did Generations retcon his species? ReddBird (talk) 02:04, September 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * By calling him a weasel in the wanted poster.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  02:06, September 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Way reaching. That's not "retconning" anything, it's just an easter egg of ambiguous canonity that lists the two names he has been known as. And it wasn't even written by Sonic Team to begin with, but by SoE's online community manager, who was the one that suggested the easter eggs; the devs just kept the wording used by him, something that surprised him. Clearly you're giving it waaay more thought than he ever did. ReddBird (talk) 02:17, September 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * I did say "seemingly." Also you just said the devs decided to keep it in, so I'm only giving it as much thought as they did. Simple fact is that the game acknowledges his identity as a weasel.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  02:24, September 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I'm pretty sure you're giving it more thought than the devs, seeing how they just put it in as a meaningless easter egg, and you're treating it as a bios. I guess the game also acknowledges that Sonic is a movie director, and Tikal, Omega, Blaze, Silver, Eggman, etc. are all actors by your reasoning? Should we assume that's canon as well? ReddBird (talk) 02:32, September 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Not at all, as I'm talking about the names and nothing more. This is all arbitrary anyway as official sources have only ever called him a weasel regardless.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  02:37, September 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay then, maybe we should rename Storm to Sorm, Omega to Omga, Wave to Wve, and so on because the movie poster spells their names like that, then? Also, Fang's creator himself calling him a jerboa is about as reliable a source as any English material. In fact, I would argue it's even more reliable, seeing how English sources can suffer from inaccuracies stemming mistranslations and miscommunication, while Touma certainly knows what the character he created himself is supposed to be. ReddBird (talk) 02:43, September 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Big difference between Fang's wanted poster and those examples and massive mistepresentation of my point. I'm not arguing against the legitimacy of TOUMA's statement, but as I mentioned before English sources take priority. We also need to consider that this hasn't come from Sega themselves so we need to consider what wording we use.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  02:53, September 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * You're aguing in favor of taking the names used by these easter egg posters as canon. So the same could be applied to the names I mentioned. The posters spells the names of some of Sonic's friends differently, so these spellings should be considered alternate official names, right? Or maybe we should just acknowledge that these posters are just meaningless easter eggs that were written without any deep thought being given to them, and so they have errors and were never intended to be treated as a basis for canon. ReddBird (talk) 03:02, September 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you somehow suggesting that the "Nack the Weasel" name was a typo on that poster? Also, you're acting like the poster are the only sources we have for those names. They aren't so I don't know why you're treating it as the sole base of my argument. You're also assuming those other posters have unintentional errors when they were probably shortened for space reasons.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  03:14, September 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Did they also spell Amy as "Emy" for space reasons? And what about Mighty being listed as being missing since 1993?
 * And no, I'm not suggesting "Nack the Weasel" was a typo. I'm suggesting that the community manager who wrote the poster's text wasn't insinuating anything by including his original English name as one of his names; he was just listing the two names people know him as so that all fans would recognize him. I'm also suggesting these posters and the person who wrote them aren't infallible, and he didn't know what Fang's real species was supposed to be, just like 99% of English-speaking people. This is the same guy who was unaware that Mighty was in a 1994 game, and put Bark in Wanted posters despite his Japanese bios describing him as a shy and quiet guy with a "loving heart" . ReddBird (talk) 03:28, September 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * The Mighty thing is a clear reference to the SegaSonic arcade game. I never said he wasn't infallible, I merely pointed out that this name was acknowledged in an international Sonic game. The fact that you're focusing on this small point of my argument baffles me and frankly, is unproductive.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  03:43, September 2, 2017 (UTC)

We have enough materials here to validate the inconsistency in the species. While I agree with Myself that the official statements by Sega takes priority (I refer to the Sonic Central), this is still a valid piece of information. Would it not be enough to mention in the "Accuracy of the character's species" section that Fang is actually what you guys have discovered and that some sort of misunderstanding led to Fang being classified as a weasel/wolf weasel.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 11:13, September 2, 2017 (UTC)