Forum:New Look again

I've got alot of time in my hand these days. Once again, I'm on with changing the look of the wiki. It's not that I was bored of the previous look. I just didn't have that much time those days. It's my fault I just jumped in, I apologize for that.

But this time we'll be doing this nice and slow, alright? This time we'll make something everyone can agree on, so we'll have to think carefully. I want to decide a look we can keep for years to come. Because I've also heard that some users didn't like the older look. If you don't like any suggestion in this forum don't be afraid to say it.

This discussion isn't only about the wallpaper, but anything regarding the look in general. From templates to headers to the chat system. Just say it out. After this discussion, I don't want to hear a "I didn't even like the look". Your chance is right here.

And I promise I won't change the look atleast for a year after this discussion!--SlugDrones • (Contact) 07:28, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Background
Looks great and far better than the previous. However the only issue I have with your backgrounds is the, it's resolution it's too small, even though there are file size problems. Many people have different resolution screens, with a small resolution (800 x 600 or 1280 x 960 ones) the background will have too much white spacing and with a large one (like 1366 x 768 or much more) the background will hide most of the Sonics. Maybe you can fit it to one type of background in one consistency for most resolutions. --Quack 08:40, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I like it.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 11:59, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Disco - This is the standard size.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 15:03, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Can the header be navy blue? Looks much better than this red, IMO. 17:44, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I like the background... Per Spyro on the header. 19:02, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I'm guessing the header is red because it's a reference to Sonic's shoes. I personally believe it's a much unique choice of color instead of having everything be blue. As for the new look as a whole, I like it very much. It's a lot more "Sonic-y" and a much brighter atmosphere which makes the wiki appear more friendly and less dark than before. But I liked the previous theme too. 20:50, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

So far, I like it much better than any previous look I've ever seen. Per Eyce on the bright/dark thing, I think it makes the wiki much more appealing and attractive. I also like where we've put the red this time around, instead of as the background. PhysTheEchidna ( talk )  21:06, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I like it, in fact I was the one who first gave an opinion on it last night. 21:08, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to keep the header red, but the background is fine as it is. 21:14, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I'd prefer a navy header/footer. -- 22:26, June 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * ^This. 22:28, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

The new background looks great, per DF. I personally prefer the red header, but I wouldn't mind a navy header. 25 June 2013 22:43 (UTC)

I would rather have a navy header. Per Bullet. --- 03:08, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

We'll be using the ribbon color with the most votes. Pink compliments too well. --Quack 18:13, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

This doesn't look too bad. However, I will personally expand the background (just by adding more squares to the ends) because it's too small for my screen. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 18:43, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

I told Drones that but she wouldn't listen. Half of the Sonic on the right covers in 1336 x 768 resolution. --Quack 04:45, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

I still prefer the blue header, and it seems that most others agree with me. Pink is horrendous and I would cry if it were to be used. -- 04:58, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Disco and ShU - I'll try fixing that.

Bullet - It's a Sonic wiki, pink would be irrelevant. Though, it is, however a complimentary color to light blue. I personally think it looks nice.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 05:37, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * I still like blue best. Red is fine, too. -- 11:14, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

I haven't noticed anything because I am a MonoBook Wikian. It's nice that SNN hasn't deleted it's MonoBook skin. I noticed some other Wiki's given up on it and just just the new look. Of course it would of been nice in during that Wikia Halloween competition we were rated on the MonoBook skin I made.-- 14:10, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Gold looks nice to me. It reminds me of the golden rings that you pick up in most Sonic games. The blue looks rather plain to me though, so I'm not gonna cast any favorable opinions towards that. Lloyd the Cat "I don't die. I just go on adventures."  21:08, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

In order of my preference: Red, Blue, Yellow, Silver, Pink. -- Supermorff (talk) 21:25, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

The only problem I have with using red is that it looks a bit weird with our logo (at least in my opinion). I think blue would compliment it better. -- 06:47, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Gold, silver, and pink don't seem to fit the wiki. Blue is amazing, and red is okay. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 19:49, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

My personal preference would have to be the gold colour. My second choice would have to be the red. -- Psyche  the Hedgehog  10:18, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

I find red being slightly okay, granted shading does feel too dark on it. I do like blue as better choice. - MarioSonic (talk) 10:47, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

I like the Red. Blue would be my second choice. 11:20, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

It's a bit difficult to interpret whether we want to use red or blue for the header and footer, so I'll start up a voting section.

It's clear that blue is going to pass with flying colors. (The pun was intended.) So I'm voting blue. It does seem to fit the wiki most of all anyway. 16:39, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

What about the actual background? Has the resolution problem been fixed yet? -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 22:14, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

I know its getting a bit old but I need to be sure which games do the Sonics come from. Is the one on the left from Sonic 4 Episode 1 and the one on the right from Sonic Jump?-- Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am?   What do you want?    What do I do?   03:03, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Red

 * -- Psyche  the Hedgehog  23:26, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * 23:52, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * -- Psyche  the Hedgehog  23:26, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * 23:52, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Blue

 * -- 08:13, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * -- 15:35, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * -- 15:36, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's being changed into me? How thoughtful! jklol http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/kultofpersonality/images/c/c6/472659173.png 15:56, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * 16:39, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * MarioSonic (talk) 17:27, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am?   What do you want?    What do I do?   07:59, August 8, 2013 (UTC) 06:45, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Project: Game Templates
Sorry to disturb this regular forum, but under the Project: Game Templates, we will be making new templates that will contain every piece of information of the Sonic games. Because of this, I have two models of the template: the one with the picture is mine, while the one below is Ultrasonic9000's choice. I would like to ask which template would you prefer to be used, as we already have one template made and used on mainspace articles. Also, many people want the picture to be removed, while I don't. Should we remove the picture, as well? Please comment above the templates, not below them. Thanks! 20:28, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I like your template. I think the picture makes the template look a lot more interesting, and it sure does attract my attention. Without the picture, I wouldn't pay much attention to it.

I like Blue's template better. It just looks more vieually appealing.-- Psyche  the Hedgehog  23:26, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Psyche and Metal are right. Besides, the headers on Ultra's template take up a bit too much space. No offense, Ultra. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 00:14, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately for the rest of you, I thinking about preferring Ultra's template over Blue's. I am Mystic Orb, the overlord of all! (talk page) 00:23, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Nothing unfortunate about that. Your opinion matters regardless of what everyone else's opinions are. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 00:28, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I know I was just exaggerating my opinion. I am Mystic Orb, the overlord of all! (talk page) 00:48, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I really need to start learning to speak sarcasm. :/ (too bad it's not available with Rosetta Stone...) -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 00:52, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I like blue's better. It has better color's and doesn't look blocky 01:23, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean 'blocky'? I am Mystic Orb, the overlord of all! (talk page) 01:28, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * It consists of lots of rectangles positioned next to each other. Sort of like someone stuck a bunch of Lego blocks together. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk)01:30, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh I see... I am Mystic Orb, the overlord of all! (talk page)  01:35, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, a couple days ago we had a forum based off the location template. I think all inboxes should look of it did as it made our infoboxes more unique and made the pictures already a set size. It was easier to use and it looked more creative and "fun" looking. 20:44, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ultra's Template
I really like Ultra's. Though, it could need some adjustments. How about we make the image stretched vertically? I can make some customs from each game.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 10:15, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can we also make this template collapsed by default? This is way too big. -- 10:18, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Have you seen a template that has this? I'd like to see.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 10:20, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * w:c:donkeykong:Funky Kong It's not difficult to implement at all. -- 10:22, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

New Suggestion
As I suggested on and 's talk pages, I believe that these templates are too exorbitant. I would prefer something as seen on Zeldapedia. I would also like to use only neutral, light shades of blue for these templates as they fit the theme better. Colors such as dark blue and dark red don't seem to work. I'm not the biggest fan of the images on the templates either, and I would prefer something as seen on Zeldapedia. (Sorry for the sloppy grammar, just woke up :P) -- 17:36, July 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I also don't like these templates. They are not the focus of any article, because they're just navboxes, so I don't know why they are being made to look flashy and have images. -- Supermorff (talk) 07:15, July 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 10:38, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I like the templates. However, I do agree that if they were collapsible by default, it wouldn't be as distracting. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 22:50, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

It seems most prefer a design similar to the template seen at the bottom of Ultrasonic9000's userpage. Consequently, I will close this discussion shortly. We will probably be using Ultrasonic's design. -- 15:48, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

If you look above, don't more peoples like Blue's design? -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 17:01, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

First of all, it's not a majority vote. Second of all, it's equal (on the forum at least). Third, if you want me to get the people I talked to on chat to comment, I can. When I usually ask for feedback (see Forum:Featured User and Did you know?), they usually just tell me and then forget to comment or something. But, I'll set up a vote. -- 06:52, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

BlueSpeeder's design or Ultrasonic9000's design?
I'm not saying that either template will be the version we go with, but both templates have a different concept. Improvements can probably be made to either, I just want to make some kind of progress on this. -- 06:57, August 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * " I'm not saying that either template will be the version we go with.." So you're telling me that neither of the Game Templates will be used? Bullet, this isn't your decision. I was the one who brought the Game Templates here. And you're bossing me around about something I worked hard on. I'm not happy with what's happening right now. 20:11, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Bullet, Blue already has two templates in effect. There's no harm in keeping them, and most seem to like the idea (see Blue's blog). It's not a big deal, but you're making it sound like one. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 20:19, August 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Per unleashed. 22:01, August 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * @Blue I was just saying that neither design was finalized.


 * @Unleashed I just want there to be some kind of progress on this. -- 22:52, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

To be quite honest, the main problem I have is the unnecessary image. If the image was removed, then I'd be fine with the design. -- 22:58, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * What exactly about the image bothers you? What makes you feel it's unnecessary? -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 14:52, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Acutally, I have come up with a new design, without the picture. It is still in development, but it is close.


 * Is this better since it has no picture? Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 15:23, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

I actually like the image. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 16:09, August 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Per Unleashed. If there's no picture, then the template looks boring. 16:11, August 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ultra, not to sound offensive, but I don't like the template above. 16:12, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Unleashed > The image is completely unnecessarily big. It adds nothing productive to the template and leaves ugly white space. As seen in the second design BlueSpeeder provided, it also clumps the text together, which I find unattractive. What about you? Why do you feel that the image is necessary? -- 16:47, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you're talking about Ultra's template. I was talking about Blue's. :/ The image in Blue's template does not clutter text or leave white space. Besides, the image makes the template more visually appealing. Make the template collapsible by default and it won't be so distracting. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 17:19, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * It already is collapsible by default. The image is still distracting, and clearly adds more white space and clutters text. -- 17:44, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * You're still talking about Ultra's design(s). -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 17:48, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * It clutters text in both. I don't want the image, and Ultra has since removed the image from his design. -- 17:51, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think we've both made our points. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 17:55, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

I like the image too. TBH bullet you are sounding very nitpicky.I have read your argument, and I see no disadvantage over having an image in the template. 18:47, August 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Per Silver. 18:48, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

I see no advantage in having the image in the template. I don't like it. -- 18:50, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Neither do I. Plus I prefer Ultra's template and I want my Sonic Rivals templates (which I am currently working on) pictureless. Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am?  What do you want?   What do I do?  06:51, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ooh, I definitely like the template you have on your userpage. Though, the pure blue is a bit of an eyesore. Perhaps consider a lighter blue? -- 07:01, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh thanks. Perhaps I might use royalblue like the one shown here.-- Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am?  What do you want?   What do I do?  07:05, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * I like the color you chose. Looks great! -- 08:29, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

The colors look great, and I really like it without an image.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:41, August 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Mystic's template looks boring without the image. I oppose. 15:24, August 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * How long are we going to have this discussion? How about we collect all the types of templates we have now and make a voting section?--SlugDrones • (Contact) 18:52, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * For whatever reason, the last time I tried to assess consensus by starting a voting section, I was met with strong disapprobation. This discussion has been going on for far too long. I would love to reopen a voting section. -- 19:07, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Wait-wait-wait! What if we were able to link the image to the image gallery sub-page? You know, like have an image of the game lead to the gallery subpage? 15:51, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

If we wanted to add a link to the gallery, it's not that difficult. I still don't like the image. Sorry. -- 16:56, August 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * So? I think it could be better to have the image link to the gallery. Besides, maybe someone could want to see more images of the game via looking at the image. 17:03, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but looking at the standard poster for a game doesn't give me the sudden urge to look at screenshots and artwork from the game. I just don't like the image's presence on the template. It's too big, too distracting, and clutters text. The template is better off without it. -- 17:12, August 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not your call. 17:23, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not claiming it's my call, nor do I want it to be (unlike you, saying "I think because I made the Game Templates, I should have the final call). -- 23:57, August 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * While you are right, I think I should get the final call. :/ 00:35, August 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think we can finalize the results now. What are we waiting for?--SlugDrones • (Contact) 08:41, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Why does this matter? Why are we voting in the first place? We're going about this all wrong! I thought users were supposed to make their own templates quietly and calmly. Isn't that the way it's been done before? Then why are we making such a big deal of this specific template? It's just another box at the bottom of the page; the readers probably don't care. We're not accomplishing anything, period, except hurting Blue's feelings.

Blue just wanted to let us know about this small project he was starting. We encouraged him; it was a great idea. But now this has turned into a mess. Others try to make their own templates, Ultra tries to make his own design, and we complain about the stuff we claimed to like on Blue's blog. Now we're voting to pretty much reject Blue's design altogether. So what have we accomplished? All we have done is hurt Blue's feelings. We're making him feel useless and unwanted. He just wanted to help, but we're trying to take over for him. I don't know about you, but Blue's feelings are WAY more important than a silly box at the bottom of an internet article about a video game. We ought to be ashamed of ourselves! I think we all owe Blue an apology, especially Bullet and me for making a big deal out of this.

If we really want to go ahead with this, do it in a more loving manner. Give Blue a bigger say. Maybe create a new standard design for all navboxes and change Blue's template to fit the standard design. Just keep Blue in mind before you post something. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 17:43, August 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot, SU. That made me feel a little bit better. 20:09, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * So now what do we do? Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am?   What do you want?   What do I do?  23:31, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I would suggest revamping navboxes entirely and changing them all to fit one or two designs. I think Blue's and Ultra's designs would work as the new designs for a nice compromise. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 14:22, August 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * If that's what it must come to, then I'll talk with Ultra about this "new" designs. 16:08, August 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * ShU, the community has the rights to say that they prefer one design over the other. It is not their fault if they prefer 'no image' in the template.
 * Blue, we like your idea, which is why we have this discussion. But UltraSonic has come up with his design too. Just because you made it first doesn't mean the users can't voice their opinion on which design they like better. Don't take things to heart, we're not making your look insignificant.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 06:58, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Basically reiterating what Drones has already said: BlueSpeeder, you have been a fantastic contributor to this project. We appreciate your efforts to improve the navigation system of the wiki. With that said, you need to be open to feedback and suggestions. If we are going through with this, I want it to be presented in the most optimum way conceivable. Ultrasonic9000's design is based off of your idea. Think of your template as a prototype. There are always going to be various ways to improve upon that original design, and this is exactly what Ultrasonic9000 has done here. In my opinion, he has taken your idea and improved upon it. This is something that the majority of good contributors do. They help out their fellow users and throw in their two cents. They collaborate with their peers, they don't work against them. I understand that you feel insulted and hurt. This is human nature. However, perhaps you should take a step back to look at the repercussions of your behavior. Acting cynical and insolent hasn't advanced us in our ultimate goal to improve the navigation aspect of the wiki, now has it? Be open-minded! Embrace change! Work with Ultrasonic9000, not against him. I apologize if I have ever come across as hostile to you over the course of the project, however, this is a lesson that you need to learn. I've received complaints about your behavior. Maybe it's time to change that. -- 11:38, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Couldn't have said it any better.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 12:03, August 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * I HAVE listen to others! I HAVE my own opinion on these templates! Every since I've showed them on this wiki, everyone just complains and neglects my design in the first place! I'm not changing the templates unless the image is on there. I'll go as far as to have Ultra's design but the image must stay on there. If not, I'm removing the templates. I'm sick of this forum. 16:06, August 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm actually surprised that you aren't convinced by the words of Drones and especially Bullet. You introduced this navigation template, that's great, we owe you, infact all credit goes to you, since you're a great contributor. Then, Ultra decided to to tweak it a bit and turns out it suited the community better. Now more people are involved in making it better. Image or not, it doesn't benefit anything, nor should it harm you since we never said anything like Geez, Blue, what is this it looks horrible and wont help to everything you suggest, So it's better if you stop flaming everyone's opinion. -- Disco Divaundefined Surnik.png 16:14, August 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * *sigh* Do whatever you want. I don't give a damn anymore. 16:20, August 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Fine, Ultra's design it is. -- Disco Divaundefined Surnik.png 16:22, August 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Blue, the majority want no image, not Ultra's template. Yet you want to force others to agree with what you like. Does that sound fair to you?--SlugDrones • (Contact) 16:25, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Image

 * 19:13, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) SonicRunPeace.gifMariosonic15  I always race to win! Tailsbye.gif 21:21, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 01:38, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) -- ~♥Snegg♥ Nicolewhite.PNG 02:19, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * 15:41, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Sometimes I wonder if everything I do is bad on here. :/ 16:16, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * 15:45, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * 15:45, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

No image

 * 1) -- 19:09, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) --SlugDrones • (Contact) 19:10, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) --Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 19:11, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) -- Quack Like you mean itundefined  19:12, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5)  19:32, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6) -- Mystic Orb: Who do you think I am?   What do you want?   What do I do?  21:21, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 7)  21:26, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * 8) Supermorff (talk) 19:34, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * 9)  18:05, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 10) Pacmansonic138 (talk) 06:38, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * 11) Count me in! The Ultimate Silver Fan! (talk) 06:40, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * 12) CariconCommander (talk) 06:42, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * 13)  06:49, August 11, 2013 (UTC)