Forum:A Few Main Page Changes

The title of this forum says it all. So:

It's nice and all that we have the whole Featured User thing, but I'm kind of questioning the layout of it at the moment. I rather shoot for a more professional layout for it, because we are indeed a wiki, not a playground. I'm not saying the questions or responses are bad, it's everything else. The intro is probably okay, but I think it could be a bit less silly. After the poll where users and anons vote for the next featured user is my problem. No one really answers the question of the month anyways, and we already have a poll, don't we? Why not remove it completely? If we do end up keeping it, I honestly think Kagimizu should be more neutral and remove his signature, remove the "ANSWER OR ELSE!!!" bit, and even remove the "get back to editing" part. It'd honestly look much better if we ended the Featured User section with the next FU Poll, so I suggest removing the question of the month.

I also think we should remove the candidates for deletion section on the main page. Only administrators can delete articles anyways, and there is not very many times when we "discuss" deleting articles, and when we do, users who are active find them one way or another. I doubt anyone has found that link of too much use, and it can probably be removed. There might be a counter-argument for this one, as I have just recently thought of it and I'm probably missing something about that being there.

I'd also kind of like to open up a suggestions for polls idea for the Poll's talk page. Voting won't be necessary on it, I already know most of the polls that have already been done, and I can look through the history myself to see which one's have been done (and repeating one from a while ago isn't that big of a deal), it's unnecessary, yes, but we could get some interesting ideas out of it, and to be honest, my ides aren't the best in the world, either. Below the poll we can do something similar to the featured article where we say "Suggest a Poll", and I can cross out the ones that have been done, and I can cross out the ones chosen each week. Not necessary, but something to consider.

I know it has been suggested before, but maybe~ we should consider moving the Site Discussions up one spot, I don't know what was decided before, but I'm not sure. I'm not even sure on this myself, so we'll see, I just threw this one in here because it popped into my head as I was writing this up. --

I think we should get rid of the "ANSWER OR ELSE!!!" part. I have always found it disturbing. Also what if a new user comes on our site and reads that? They might think were some rough house or something. But I don't think the Site Discussions need to be moved. I think it's good the way it is. And I don't think we need the monthly question thing. I don't even use it. And I don't think anyone else does either. -- Will   Rose   06:14, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

I support the changes you propose, except for moving the Site Discussions header up one spot. I personally think it's fine where it is. Lloyd the Cat "I don't die. I just go on adventures."  06:17, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

...Yea~ Went ahead and slashed that out, tested it in a sandbox wiki and it looked off. -- 06:19, July 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I fully support these changes. For quite a while I've been considering ways to suggest changes to the FU in particular. Every new FU, we get an apology at the top for it being late, but that only serves to draw attention to the issue. If the apology wasn't there, nobody would really care. I also don't like the monthly question, the ridiculous threat, the reminder to get back to work (not least because it has the word "around" used twice too close together) or the fact that Kagi's (or anyone's) signature is on the main page.
 * On the 'Helping Out' section, I also think we should get rid of the broken redirects line (which also require admins to delete), old articles (because who cares?), and maybe unused categories.
 * I wish the heading for the poll said 'Poll' instead of 'Weekly Poll', but that requires image editing so is slightly harder to do well.
 * Also, I think it's a shame that the Sonic header (for Upcoming Games) is on the one section that only appears part time, and which also happens to be the smallest section. I don't have a suggestion for fixing that, though. -- Supermorff (talk) 07:24, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd be glad to edit the Poll header to say "Poll", I just need to find out the font they used. As for the Upcoming Games header, I can make Featured User Sonic, and make Upcoming Games whoever else, I just need to know the font. (I can keep the header and all the same). -- 08:19, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * We could get rid of Uncategorized Templates as well? -- 10:41, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Though slightly reluctant, I support having these changes implemented. 09:11, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

I support having these changes implemented, as I think they will make the home page much neater. Thunder the Hedgehog 12:48, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

I support these changes. (I always thought that it was odd to have an "ANSWER OR ELSE" thing) We all  have our own   styles we   won't change  15:38, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Bullet> Yes, uncategorised templates can go too. The person who made the poll header was Johnsowhat94, so he should know about font. He's not active, but might respond at some point if you leave a message on his talk page (he was active more recently on MegaMan wiki). -- Supermorff (talk) 16:36, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

I support. --  ☯ModrenSonic   The Ultimate Ninja☯  22:56, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

This is what I got so far:


 * Get rid of the Monthly Question and the silliness that comes with it. We already have a Poll, anyways.
 * Get rid of the signature on the main page, keeping things as neutral as possible.
 * Make the intro less silly, just get to the point, and introduce the Featured User
 * Get rid of the Deletions Candidates Link
 * Get rid of Broken Redirects Link
 * Get rid of Old Articles link
 * Get rid of Unused Categories Link
 * Get rid of Uncategorized Templates Link
 * (We may want to consider getting rid of Unused templates as well)
 * I'm going to add a Suggest a Poll thing.
 * If possible, change the "Weekly Poll" header to just "Poll"

Also, shouldn't Sega Wiki be on the Main Page as well in Affiliates? And, are we doing anything with the Sonic header, or leaving it as is? We could change it to Recently Released, as that is what the template for it even is, but I'm not sure. Also, we could add a link to articles in need of cleanup for the helping out section. I dunno. Anything else? -- 23:01, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I support, though I think we should change the name of the template, it might be harder to update if it showed recent releases.  Myself  123  23:08, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah... We probably should do that as well. -- 23:11, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! GOOD F***ING GRIEF!! People can't actually talk to me about this freaking thing first!?

Y'know what? No. I have done the Featured User poll this way for several months in an attempt to make it unique and individualized. It is not a standard layout, it is my personal touch. And you people did not respect that by trying to talk to me about it. The way a person does the Featured User interview is up to the interviewer. THIS is what is part of the standard layout:
 * 1) The person with the most votes is interviewed, preferably at the beginning of the designated month.
 * 2) The interview consists of ten questions. At least three of those questions must relate to the wiki itself.
 * 3) A question is asked each month for the community to be involved in.

That is the way it has been since before any of us (aside from Morff possibly) joined this wiki. The "ASK OR ELSE" bit is my personal touch, in a humorous way to get people involved in the Featured Questions, which people used to do with enthusiasm.

I am doing the Featured User poll my way. You like it or not, you talk to me. None of you respected that this is my job and I take pride in doing my job. None of you tried talking to me first or even notifying me that anyone had a problem with it. Quite frankly, it feels like you didn't respect me. So no. Vote all you want, but I WILL continue to do the Featured User poll in my own personal method. Because no-one here bothered to notify me of this before Bullet felt the need to remind me of Myself's interview, nine days before it becomes pertinent. No-one bothered to respect that this is a job I take pride in, and regardless of my record, I try to get the job done on time. This job is personal for me, and last I checked, you can't vote on personal matters for individual Users.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 23:12, July 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * So if community consensus is in favor of implementing the suggested changes you would oppose them even after they were implemented just because you feel that the front page is essentially your personal property and will do everything in your power to ensure nothing is changed, even though doing so would technically be going against the very community that had granted you Administrative rights and freedom to work on the front page in the first place? Do you have any idea how bad you're making yourself sound right now, Kag? Lloyd the Cat  "I don't die. I just go on adventures."  23:16, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

The front page is not my property. The Featured User interview however, is my job. And no-one here bothered to think "Hey, why don't we try getting the person who does the interviews involved in this discussion?"! Broken links, Poll changes, feel free. But the interview is my job, and I do it my way, to make it unique for both the wiki and myself.

I am not just an admin of this wiki, who should be involved in discussions like this, but this is my personal, designated job. And regardless of both, no-one talked to me, notified me, or did anything of the sort. Beyond talking about someone behind their back being a big Berserk Button for me, I feel that I was not respected. As an admin, as a User on this wiki, or as the person who actually takes the time to do these interviews! Do you guys know how that feels?--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 23:23, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Kagimizu, you cannot outright ignore community consensus. We are a community, not a dictatorship. The main page of this wiki is not your personal property. It is the community's property. You do not own the Featured User section, you have the privilege of taking care of it because you want to, if you do not like what the community decides, then let someone else do the featured user interview. If you disregard community decision, I can personally guarantee that you won't be doing the featured user interview any longer.

We do not have to notify you to get you involved in discussions. You say you should be involved, and if you "should", then you look at the site discussions forums on your own, you should not have to be notified. The Featured User Interview is not your personal "job", you are not obligated to do it, in fact, someone else can do it at any time. You are simply a volunteer. -- 23:25, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

You guys just don't get where I'm coming from. I took up this job and have been doing it consistently for almost two years, maybe even more. I take pride in it. And since the wiki has gotten more populated and fast-paced, it's one of my few ways to consistently edit and contribute to the wiki. This has sentimental value for me, both because of how long I have done it and how it is my main remaining connection to this wiki. You guys don't get how important this job is to me, and how personally insulted and hurt I am that no-one thought that I should be involved in a discussion directly relating to my job on this wiki. If someone had talked to me beforehand or tried getting me involved in this from the beginning, I would be able to handle this much better, because I would have had ample time and opportunity to explain, defend, and/or justify the methods and actions I take when doing my job. But no-one did. And now, I'm expected to just read this entire forum, where people criticize and complain about how I do my job, without getting the opportunity to state my side of the argument, and just be okay with it? Do you really expect that from me? Not as an admin, not as a User, but as a person?--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 23:33, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Kagi, you can still take pride in your job. You can still do your job, and get the same amount of contributions out of it. This forum was only made two days ago. You can still do your job, the community just wants changes. If you were acting as an admin should, then you would be okay with this. -- 23:37, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Bullet, read my comments again. Read them very carefully. Once you understand why I am so upset, so personally insulted, then I want you to talk to me.--Kagi mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:41, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've read them three times and I see that you are personally "insulted", I just fail to see why. you can still do your job, we just want changes. Your behavior right now is absolutely atrocious, Kagi. -- 23:44, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, Kagi, there's more than one way that you can contribute to the wiki, gain edits, and actually help around here than just doing your "job." And I don't recall anyone ever being informed about a forum, even if it had something to do with them. The closest I've ever seen something to that is when someone advertises a forum on the chat. --<span style="; -webkit-border-radius-topleft:12px; -webkit-border-radius-bottomright:12px; -o-border-radius-topleft:12px; -o-border-radius-bottomright:12px; -khtml-border-radius-topleft:12px; -khtml-border-radius-bottomright:12px; border:4px ridge blue; background-image:-moz-linear-gradient(top, orange, red); background-image:-webkit-linear-gradient(top, orange, red); background-image:-o-linear-gradient(top, orange, red); background-image:-khtml-linear-gradient(top, orange, red); background-image:linear-gradient(top, orange, red); -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em #000000; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em #000000; -o-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em #000000; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em #000000; background-color:#000000"> Metal ' Mickey ' 272 

Yes, people wanted changes. Not to the Featured User template itself, but to how I do my job. People want me to change how I do my job. No-one thought to talk to me about how I do my job. No-one thought to notify me of a discussion involving how I do my job. No-one gave me an opportunity to explain or defend why I carry out my job in this way. People expect me to take all these criticisms and complaints about how I do my job, demands for me to change how I do my job, and just be absolutely okay with it. Despite the fact that I was never given a chance to defend or explain why I do my job the way I do.

Do you understand now? No-one involved me in or allowed me to be a part of the discussion determining how I do my job. THAT is why I am upset. THAT is why I am acting so unseemly. THAT is why I am so deeply and personally insulted, to the point that I am actually, IRL angry, and have been pushed to tears at how this was carried out.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:53, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * This forum was only made two days ago, and I did message you about it. No changes have been confirmed, but as seen above, the community is in support of these changes. Besides, we aren't asking you to change your job, we're removing things we dislike from the Main Page. It isn't your personal job. You volunteered, and anyone can take over at anytime should you choose not to do this job anymore. This is a community, and if we want changes, we get consensus. If you don't agree with consensus, then honestly, too bad. You can still do your job, we just want a more neutral aspect added to it, and not the silliness. --23:58, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

You only messaged me after all of this went down. Now I have to try and read all of this forum's contents and address each and every one of the issues people have with how I do my job, and do so all at once rather than each individual person.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 00:01, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, this discussion is still going on, no? It's not closed, and no decision is made. Though currently, consensus is in favor of these changes. I didn't even need to message you. You should be looking at the site discussions yourself. -- 00:03, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Bullet, I am part of at least three different wikis, I have a large amount of interests, and I play MMO games. Do you honestly think I'm on SNN 24/7, checking the site discussions every five minutes?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 00:10, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, but this discussion is not over, and if you feel you need to address each person, then that's your issue. You could at least check it every two days or so, all you have to do is go to the Main Page and see the most recent site discussions. It takes one click to see what site discussions are going on. As an active administrator of the wiki, you should at least be able to do that. I shouldn't need to message you to get involved in a site discussion, as you've gotten involved in the past without users notifying you. We're getting off-topic. Any more yays or nays on the changes? -- 00:14, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

This has what's been discussed, and general consensus is in favor thus far:


 * Get rid of the Monthly Question and the silliness that comes with it. We already have a Poll, anyways.
 * Get rid of the signature on the main page, keeping things as neutral as possible.
 * Make the intro less silly, just get to the point, and introduce the Featured User
 * Get rid of the Deletions Candidates Link
 * Get rid of Broken Redirects Link
 * Get rid of Old Articles link
 * Get rid of Unused Categories Link
 * Get rid of Uncategorized Templates Link
 * (We may want to consider getting rid of Unused templates as well)
 * I'm going to add a Suggest a Poll thing.
 * If possible, change the "Weekly Poll" header to just "Poll"
 * Change the name of the Recent Releases template

I also suggest:


 * Add Sega Wiki to Affiliates, not sure why it was removed.
 * Add an articles in need of cleanup to the Helping Out section.

-- 00:21, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

I support these changes. --<span style="; -webkit-border-radius-topleft:12px; -webkit-border-radius-bottomright:12px; -o-border-radius-topleft:12px; -o-border-radius-bottomright:12px; -khtml-border-radius-topleft:12px; -khtml-border-radius-bottomright:12px; border:4px ridge blue; background-image:-moz-linear-gradient(top, orange, red); background-image:-webkit-linear-gradient(top, orange, red); background-image:-o-linear-gradient(top, orange, red); background-image:-khtml-linear-gradient(top, orange, red); background-image:linear-gradient(top, orange, red); -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em #000000; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em #000000; -o-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em #000000; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em #000000; background-color:#000000"> Metal ' Mickey ' 272  00:26, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

..........*sighs* I have so many issues and this causes so many negative emotions. Quite frankly a few of these I question whether or not they should even be allowed to be voted on.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 00:28, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sega Wiki is still on the Affiliates page, just not on the Main Page, and that's because it has no active editors. I don't think it has ever been on the Main Page, and I don't personally think it needs to be, although if people want it there that's okay with me. -- Supermorff (talk) 19:52, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah. They are still listed on the Community Portal (and first, at that), so I assumed they should be on the Main Page as well. I think I found the font for the headers, should I go ahead and make the Poll Header? -- 23:52, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, could you make the new Poll header? Thanks. -- Supermorff (talk) 18:04, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll get to it then. Any other opinions on the other changes? -- 13:25, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

I've edited HelpOut and crossed off the changes I made from your list. I did some other rewording too, which people should probably look at. Feel free to change back if you don't like it. -- Supermorff (talk) 16:14, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I like the question of the month. And I feel that taking the funny things that Kagimizu says is not a good idea because they are funny. I understand that you are trying to make the site look more professional, but really when you look at it, we are just a bunch of fans of a video game series on a wiki website. I don't think that we need to make it professional. We are friends, not business workers. --Sonicfan1185 (talk) 15:35, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * A lot of those changes have already been made. Why exactly do you disagree about the Old Articles link? Sorry if this seems condescending, but do you know what the Old Articles page does?
 * As for the remaining, more controversial changes, let's put up a summary. Seems to work okay. -- Supermorff (talk) 19:40, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

I really see no reason to get rid of it. Also, why have the changes been made before the discussion was closed? 19:54, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * You didn't answer my question. Do you know what it does?
 * As for why changes have already been made, we are not obligated to make all the changes at the same time. The discussion had been open for a while and nobody complained about the changes we made until after they'd been done. And we had actually said that they'd been done before you objected to one of them. -- Supermorff (talk) 20:02, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * If I remember correctly, it provides links to the oldest pages on the wiki.
 * So, it was basically decided that since nobody else had an opposition, it was okay to make the changes? Because that's what I'm getting from this. 00:15, 01 August, 2012 (UTC)

Summary - Get rid of the monthly question
Signatures only please.

Support

 * Supermorff (talk) 19:40, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 *  Myself  <font color="Black">123  19:44, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Lloyd the Cat "I don't die. I just go on adventures."  01:32, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 01:51, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 19:54, July 31, 2012

Summary - Get rid of the signature on the main page and keep things neutral
Signatures only please.

Support

 * Supermorff (talk) 19:40, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 *  Myself  <font color="Black">123  19:44, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Lloyd the Cat "I don't die. I just go on adventures."  01:32, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 01:49, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 19:54, July 31, 2012

Summary - Make the intro shorter and less silly
Signatures only please.

Support

 * Supermorff (talk) 19:40, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 *  Myself  <font color="Black">123  19:44, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Lloyd the Cat "I don't die. I just go on adventures."  01:32, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 01:49, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 19:54, July 31, 2012