User talk:Supermorff

Adding categories to Dark Valley, you say??
Well... thanks. I'd clearly dropped the ball and forgotten them there. But in due course, I'd like to ask your opinion on the Locations vs. Game stages categories.

You would think they would overlap lots, wouldn't you? And, indeed, they do. What I've been doing (when I remember to add them at all!) is stick "Game stages" on everything that is... well, a named level or zone. And stick Locations on things when they become MORE than just one level - like Green Hill, which has been in many, many games, and so clearly becomes a Plot Element instead of just a random stage. Also, Soleanna, which isn't a specific named level ever, but is clearly a location.

Which generally boils down to: if it's NEVER been a game stage, it gets just location. If it's ONCE been a game stage, it gets Game Stage. If it's been a game stage more than once, it gets Location AND Game stage.

Do you think this makes any sense at all? I would like to try and hammer out (at some point) an SNN "best practice procedure" for Game Stage category vs. Location categoty, and so your sage thoughts on the matter would be much appreciated. :D The Doctor... IS IN Molten Scandium  00:28, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I think there are two things to consider here: namely the short-term and long-term methods for dealing with this little difficulty. Short-term, your solution is pretty good. It means at the very least that every game stage is categorised as such, and every location is either in the Locations category or one of its subcats.
 * Long-term, I'm still slightly conflicted over the best way to deal with it. Fortunately, being long-term, we have some time yet to ponder it. I assure you I will give this some thought.
 * Oh, the one thing I would point out is that some "game stages" clearly aren't "locations" in the usual sense: e.g. Babylon Guardian is a character and boss stage, but the location where the boss battle takes place appears to be called the Digital Dimension. So that's something to keep an eye on in future as well. -- Supermorff 15:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

A query I have
Hello Supermorff,

I've been informed from Kagimizu that I should seek a mod about a query I have instead of actually trying to edit the articles themselves so I simply chose you out of random because I can't seem to find anyone in charge of this wiki as a whole admin.

Anyways, this topic is about the trivia sections on this site. I've been here at SNN for some time (I believe since June) and think this Sonic wiki is a good idea. A place where every fan can input info they find. I come to this site often to get info and listings. It's all good except for one section: trivia. When I look at the trivia sections, it's a complete mess. There is information in those sections on almost every page with trivia that should not belong. Some of them are fan speculations, others are hypothesis and guesses, and some are just dumb and pointless. At this time, I thought someone was not taking care of this and all this info was inputted by someone who had no idea what they were doing or what belong in the article or not. So I decided to edit them myself and clean up the trivia sections that had information not necessary. Well to my surprise, they kept reappearing. Every page I went, the info kept popping up. At first I thought it was some stubborn user but then it turned out it was none other than Kagimizu, a mod. It would be understandable if it was some user who did not know how to input info into a trivia section but if a mod approves of such info, then we got a problem here.

I'm a fan of the trivia sections. I love them because you get even more in depth info from the subject in question that you would not learn formally. But when I come to SNN, I am displeased to learn that almost anything is put into the trivia sections. It's as if no one knows how to do a trivia section properly and assume anything can be put in.

A trivia section is a section of an article where info that cannot be placed on the main article is placed on it's own section. This info is not important enough to be a part of the main section but still useful enough to be known so it should not be omitted. The information that goes into a trivia section adds and expands the article and gives more insight, knowledge, and description to the subject. Wikipedia's guidelines for trivia state that it's info that can not fit anywhere and the editor should try to look for a place to put it in. In other words, trivia is the last thing that should be worked on because you want to search for a place to fit the info on the article and add to it. If it can't be added, then it's considered trivial and thus, goes into it's own section.

But this does not apply to SNN. When I see an trivia section, I am seeing information that is quiet useless to know about such as comparing one character to another. I don't understand why I need to know about a trait that is more coincidental than it is about the development of the character. If one character has a trait that is similar to another, such as Blaze being similar to Knuckles in the fact that they are guardians of certain emeralds, then you must ask yourself "Why is this important to the article?" In the example I showed, how does that information help the Blaze article expand more and give insight to her. If it was stated by a employee at Sega that they got inspiration from Knuckles when modeling Blaze, than that would be considered trivia since you would not be able to fit it into the article itself but is important to the understanding of Blaze's development. But if it's just a coincidence that Blaze so happens to be like Knuckles in only that they share that trait and there is nothing to back up that they both share such a common feature besides it being a coincidence, than that is not trivia because it does not help the expand the article and it's pretty much just an observation someone made.

There are many common mistakes that are added to the trivia sections. Others being fan speculations, good obsevations that are not informative enough to warrant research, what people "think" might be, and stuff that is not informative at all and are just comments. These may be interesting to know but when I read them, they didn't add to the article I was reading and didn't help my research. It felt like I was reading a persons comment rather than an excerpt of the subject. If the item doesn't give you applied knowledge, it should not be included.

I believe that the trivia sections need a serious clean up. If a mod approves it, then that means that no one here knows how trivia should be done. Serious guidelines should be done for trivia and what it is, what should go in it, and so on. The other info is not important to be warranted as research. Though I have thought about why a mod would approve of it, I come to the conclusion that they consider it important to know. I came to this because I remember I edited out a bad trivia item when I was editing articles. When it was brought back though, that item was not. So there is some attention being put to the trivia sections but no real guideline. That is why I propose there be a new section: miscellaneous. Just what it means, anything and everything else that doesn't even fit in trivia. While trivia SHOULD still cover the article's items that are not important to be in the article itself but still important enough to be known, miscellaneous is just information that is not really important to know but have been observed and might be of interest one way or another. Observations that have bee noted like comparing one character to another (especially when the other character is not even from Sega) is not really trivia but can be put into miscellaneous. I think it would clean up the trivia section and make it more neat.

So that is my post. Sorry if it's huge but it should show you that I am serious about the trivia sections. I love them and hate to see this wiki mishandle them just because people don't understand what trivia means. Just because trivia means info that cannot be inserted into the main article, it does not mean ANYTHING can be placed under it. It should still contain information that adds to the article in a small way but gives you a bit more information about the subject that is necessary to know about. Anything that is simply observed or coincidences are not trivia unless it is backed up by a source of information that is not hearsay or guessing. If you want to have that information, then a good idea would be to make a separate section for them. This will help keep the article in order so when you get to the trivia section, it won't be a jumble mess and you will be able to tell what's actual fact and what is a possibility. --TKGB 07:27, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'm glad that you agree and was surprised to know that someone else has a concern about it. But that still doesn't solve anything. Isn't there anything that can be done about this? Simply editing it won't do since someone will just end up undoing it.--TKGB 00:28, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that's not entirely true. If we simply keep an eye on the articles and remove uneeded info, that should really clean up the Trivia.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 00:36, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well that would be ideal except that people don't understand what trivia is here. There is no guideline for that in this wiki and people just keep posting items unrelated to being trivia and it keeps being approved. So when you say "uneeded", what does that mean here? That's why I'm proposing two sections. That would be ideal to keep stuff that is still revelant to the subject and info that is are just hypothesis that people have (i.e. "...because of this, it is believed that...").--TKGB 00:47, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Well, Trivia already has its own "section" on pages, but seperate pages is too far. The way I see it, if the trivia is notable and relevant, it's fine by me. For example, some new trivia that was added to Amy's page was that "Amy is currently the only female hedgehog in the games". Stuff like that seems reasonable to me.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 00:52, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * See, that kind of information is not trivia. Firstly, what I suggested was not a new page but a new category for this kind of thing. Second, I don't think you understand the meaning of trivia. As I've said on the original long post I made for Supermorff, trivia is information that aids the article. It helps expand the article on knowledge about the subject. Don't you think that pointing out that Amy is the only female hedgehog is too loose to be considered helpful. If you approve of that, how about "Amy is currently the only pink female character". How about "Amy is currently the only character who wields a hammer". Or "Amy is currently the only character that was kidnapped by Metal Sonic" and "Amy is currently the only hedgehog whose design has changed drastically"? You have to ask yourself if the information is helpful in research and development of the character both ingame and real world, not just observations.

If you still can't understand what I mean, consider another subject. Let me use English as an example. Look at this site:

http://www.sentex.net/~ajy/facts/words.html

The site contains many information that can be considered trivia. So by your approval, one could put "As of today, the letter Y is the only one that can be used as both a vowel and a consonant." Yeah, thats nice but it's pretty obvious that most people know about it so it doesn't need to be written down. I hope you understand what I mean. --TKGB 06:13, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

In my books, if you have several strings of trivia related to each other, then those need to be clumped together to form a new section, as was the case with Silver when I first came here. Trivia is my biggest crib with this wikia and I'm a reglaur visitor here. I raised this issue recently, because Silver's trivia section was massive. I listed elsewhere several points and problems with trivia. In the end it comes down to this: Can it fit elsewhere on the page? If yes, then it doesn't belong in trivia. If not, then it belongs in trivia.

As a experience wikia peep, this wikia can be off putting at times, but I come here because I have long term issues with wikipedia (used to be a wikipedian until 2 years ago or so). At the very least, what someone needs to do is look at the largest section on the page other then trivia (not including galleries) and ask "Is the trivia section bigger then this?". If yes, something needs to be done ASAP, as I had to do with Silver's page. Regardless, I'm happy to see it finally being discussed, but there seems to be a problem with controlling it. If you have guidelines for trivia, that would help, if not, perhaps its time something was done. One-Winged Hawk 15:16, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Re: User masthead
Hey Supermorff. Sorry for the late reply. I just tested this code and it worked, so just add it to Monaco.css and hard refresh (Ctrl+F5).

color: #000000 !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs a {

color: #BA0000 !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs a.new {

background-color: #FFFFFF !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs li.selected a, #page_tabs li.selected a.new {

background-color: #EEEEEE !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs li a, #page_tabs li a.new {

body.masthead-regular #page_bar, body.masthead-special #page_bar { border-bottom: none; }

While we're talking about css colors, I was wondering if you'd want to make the text on the header buttons (GAMING and MORE) more visible. They're quite hard to read. If you want to change that text color, edit this item in Monaco.css:

/* this makes the background of those 'pill' buttons blue also */ .headerMenuButton dt, .headerMenuButton dd { background-image: url(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/help/images/3/3a/Sapphire_header_button.png); color: #808080; } Just change #808080 to white or a light gray (such as #DDDDDD, #CCCCCC, etc.) to match the color of the little down arrow. Let me know if you have any problems or need help with anything else. JoePlay ( talk ) 21:30, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * If you use Firefox, then Firebug is a very useful tool for troubleshooting css code used on the Monaco skin. JoePlay ( talk ) 19:57, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Eggman's eyes…
Of course that video showed Eggman's eyes. Very clearly it did, even. The camera was, at multiple times, at an angle that cleary revealed his eyes. Here's a screenshot someone took also showing it. Herman2000 19:41, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I disagree there, indeed. If it's in the game, it's obviously canon. Herman2000 01:19, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sir Frances Charles. His full name was revealed in SatAM. Trust me, I wouldn't lie. Watch SatAm to comfirm my sources though I can't remember which episode. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Just so you know, Comick (the one who made Sonic Switch) made a new short. It is based in the Sonic Switch plot and has a cameo of Scourge. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

You saw it? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

There are also two easter eggs. The first is one Knuckles' shoe (when Sonic fell to the ground) and on Rouge's breasts when everyone (except Sonic) was enjoying Scourge's dance. AND Comick also finished Sonic Switch and is working on "Sonic and the Crystal Egg. Hail to the king, baby! Sonic &amp;  Scrab  Master

Bad News
Supermorff, I'm afriad I have some bad news. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master


 * I'm afraid Bridge Zone has been destroyed by Robotnik's badnik forces. Sonic &amp;  Scrab  Master


 * Also, Eldorado Zone is under attack. Residents of the Zone blasted the invasion with the following statement, "A very unsophisticated entrance, I'm afraid. Their dress code was completely out of order!" I hear Zonerunners have arrived to help, but are having trouble negotiating entrance to the zone until all troops undergo mandatory manners sessions. Sonic &amp;  Scrab  Master

Yeah. I know. I just wanted to see how long it would take you to get the reference. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

World Cup
Hey man. Are you gonna be watching the World Cup? Its USA vs. England. I know that you're from the UK, and I live in America, and can tell it will be an exciting match. Everyone's been all amped up about this game, and if one didnt know any better, they'd think this was the championship match. My family's from Nigeria, so we were disappointed when they lost to Argentina. But Argentina's one of the best teams, and considering they only scored 1 out of 20 goals, I can tell Nigeria gave them some competition. Well, let me stop yammering about soccer (football, as you may know it), 'cause I'm not even sure if you watch it and all this about the World Cup could be going way over your head!

Anyways, I gotta hit the books for my Final Exams, so I probly wont be online until June 17 (I'll also be too busy watching the World Cup). So see ya 'round!

-- Eh, What's up Doc?   ~  DjWindmaster97  18:04, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Character Gallery
I think that you should just go aheead and delete that article with the gallery. The only useful picture in there that we don't already have is the one of Sonic spindashing. Oh, and happy to see me again?

-- Eh, What's up Doc?   ~  DjWindmaster97  20:14, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hey
How goes it, Supermorff? Sorry I didnt reply to your message right away. I saw it a few minutes after you left it but I really had to.... actually, you dont wanna know what I had to go do. I was also busy on a trip in another country. Guess where.

CANADA. Ontario, actually. Anyways can you help me delete some stuff? There's a bunch of unnecessary pictures that you can see in the speedy deletion page.

-- Eh, What's up Doc?   ~  DjWindmaster97  08:52, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Canada actually wasnt so bad. They've got nice neighborhoods, the street signs are in English, I saw Niagara Falls, and I went to the CN Tower in Toronto. However, there were a lot of Asian people there for reasons that are far beyond me.... And I dont mean the Korean-looking Asian, but Asians in general (Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Japanese etc).


 * And you dont have to rush yourself deleting those pictures. Most of them are just a bunch of tiny, lo-res pics that DiscoDuck uploaded (not to mention he never categorizes them).

-- Eh, What's up Doc?  ~  DjWindmaster97  09:23, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Beta Robo Dragon
Hi there in this video there's a beta dragon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx-5O8pH3Jw&feature=related would this be able to count as a page or in trivia or something else. Please respond.

Sincearly, Nathbud789 20:32, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

aosth episodes
Yes, I expressed my frustration with that on one of the episodes talk pages. I'm sure he meant well, but it certainly does not make things any easier fro me. I would be all for deleting them. Sonictoast 20:21, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

I am here to say that I am NOT happy about what you guys are doing to the articles I created. I only decided to create articles for the episodes because I already created an article for Boogey-Mania, and also because you guys were already adding to the comic articles. So please undelete the articles, because it took me several hours to create each and every one of them. I know that they are mostly blank, but I can explain that. You see, the only episodes of AoSTH I've seen were Sonic's Song, that episode with the sloths, and that episode where Robotnik hypnotizes Sonic into thinking he's slow. So please, undelete the articles. thank you, Multiverseman 00:26, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

You're Hired
You can help for the tournament Sonictoast even said we need more peopleBlazeRocks55 20:57, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

That's the thing we need help and you're availableBlazeRocks55 01:08, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

I need some advice
There is (or was) a discussion for merging the badnik page with the Eggman's robots page. There is no reason for the pages not to merge, and, at this point, no everyone has agreed that they should merge and there is no one saying they shouldn't. Of course, no one has actually stepped up to merge the pages. I would do it, but I want your advice on how I should go about it. I'm already going through the pages to see if anything needs to be moved from the Badniks page to the E.R. page. How does one go about a successful merge, redirecting all thinks and all that?Rogue General 21:17, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help.Rogue General 21:42, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Join me!
Hey, Supermorff, I am working on a Wiki called Flying Boy Wiki. Want to join me?SeanWheeler 19:15, June 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but no. I have no idea what Flying Boy is. -- Supermorff 19:24, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Basicly, it is a book I am writing. It is still in development. Of course you wouldn't know about it because it is not public yet. You could look at it and check for spelling errors and stuff that is in one article that isn't but notable in another article. Any questions, just go to my talk page. I also have a blog advertising it. If you have a part on the wiki, you could get paid for the book's success. You should tell some friends because I am sick of being the only contributer. -- SeanWheeler 16:58, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you want some help copyediting specific articles then I might be able to help, but I have no interest in helping you write a series. -- Supermorff 18:20, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Goldenguy511
How do you make a user subpage?--I'm Crazy!,Goldenguy511 18:57, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Murphyshane
== Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round ~ ==

Eh, methinks it should be left in forumspace or something. Let's not put it in mainspace with the other articles (assuming that's what you meant).--Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 19:59, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Oh. Well I then go for it. I was gonna suggest doing so in my earlier message, but I didn't know what you meant, or what you call that space ^_^|--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 20:14, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

No problem! I just wish I did more around here...--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 20:27, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I probably should get to that. We do need a new featured Article, as well as a new poll. I also need to do Sonictoast's third Featured User interview.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 20:55, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I did once cut Shelly from the polls so the results didn't keep repeating themselves.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 21:06, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

The polls are a monthly thing. Anyway, I'll take Sonictoast from the next poll (as usual for the winners of the previous poll) as well as the one after that. I'll clear it with him first though before the interview.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 21:15, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Kay.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 21:40, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank's forr welcoming me! If there are any tips, rules, or suffestions pages I should see, please leave a link in my talk page. Thnx! Flame-o 13:03, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

help
hey man I got a user that keeps vandalizing my page please help man. Sondow209 23:14, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

ok
this user had another user called Testguy004 now changed to Jjadd456 which you can see the comments he made here ''Shutup kid. sonicxseason 4 Wiki may have no information, but this wiki is complete shit. You're an incompetent and immature user and all the articles here are poorly written. sonic.wikia.com recently had new info added to it so STFU. This wiki needs new staff before I can embrace it as the official Sonic wiki. Jjadd456 23:13, July 10, 2010 (UTC) Sondow209 23:32, July 10, 2010 (UTC)''