Board Thread:Administrator Notice/@comment-1669199-20140104230141/@comment-1669199-20140108225512

BlueSpeeder wrote: Genesjs wrote:

BlueSpeeder wrote:

Bullet Francisco wrote:

Genesjs wrote:

BlueSpeeder wrote:

Bullet Francisco wrote:

Genesjs wrote: Censoring words that're being offered up in this discussion as examples to be censored on the Main Chat (and elsewhere) kinda defeats the purpose of trying to list examples of the kinds of the language we should avoid when talking around this Wiki in general. Very counter-productive towards getting clear establishment on key information. Just thought that I'd take a minute to say that.

MoonMoonTheWolf



Has society at large made its thoughts on what they consider certain taboo (in this case, language and general content) in this day in age known in a way that clearly states what the majority, both vocal and silent, is okay with? Just because a few shows show certain kinds of content doesn't necessarily mean that general opinions shared by moral guardians are changing, too. Also, you know those little white rating boxes they usually show when a TV show starts airing, in order to show the kind of content that show contains? They still use those. And there's various programs that people can get from their cable/Internet providers that allow them to filter out shows containing certain levels of content -- that way they won't have to risk seeing them and complain about seeing them. What you're asking us to take into consideration is not something easily determined. Same reason why I don't think we should take school environments into consideration, because we can't help how those environments individually operate, nor can we take the time to even try to learn how they all operate in order to determine how to handle this problem while taking the schools into consideration. I concur. Censoring the words on this thread has is pointless. Whoever made edits to the posts without author permission, please revert. Alright. I'll revert my edits. I havn't been doing well on here anyway. I should shut up about what I say and let any kid that finds this forum via main page or recent wiki activity learn new words to use. It was never my intention to let younger kids learn swears. It never has. Just ignore my comments and continue your rambling. I find your sarcasm quite unnecessary. As was already stated earlier in this discussion, the usage of the language in question is for demonstrative and informational purposes. You saying that we should not allow the examples being proposed to be seen is, as I've stated earlier, counterproductive to what many of us are trying to do here: determine which words/how their used/etc. should be used around this Wiki. So what if a few young children come across this particular forum on the main page? We can't help the sheer number of people who browse various parts of this Wiki, so bringing up the possibility of certain people finding this forum is absolutely pointless. I concur. I was personally offended by your sarcasm. I was never using sarcasm, for your information. I just wanted to state my opinion on here. Why are you guys always pinpointing the blame on me?! Its kinda hard to tell when someone is being sarcastic at times with absolute certainty, considering we're primarily communicating through text. The way you worded your sentences sounded rather condescending to me, but if you are telling the truth about not attempting to come off as sarcastic then I apologize for making a false assumption towards you. However, I have never, ever since the very beginning of this forum, put any blame on any one particular person, most certainly not you. And I don't see anyone else here singling you out for causing the issue we're trying to address, so unless you've got clear evidence that proves the contrary then I must ask of you to please not throw false accusations our way. They will only serve to cause more problems between us then there needs to be, and I would like to not make a mountain out of an anthill.

BlueSpeeder wrote: You want an apology? Just what did I do to make myself look bad? All I have ever STATED on this forum is that anyone can learn swear words via finding this thread on the main page! My only concern is that; not to joke around and be goofy on this thread. Seriously, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, you guys are always thinking that I do something wrong! I'll give you an apology when you realize that I never was sarcastic nor was my tone to be rude and offensive, unlike how you are seeing it. Well, you are most certainly being rude now by acting as though us "always thinking [you] do something wrong" is infallible fact when no real evidence has been presented to make such an accusation appear legit, let alone relevant to the topic of discussion. As I've already previously stated, I don't recall seeing anyone single you out for the problems being discussed in this forum -- all I see is everyone here, including myself, being accused of constantly bullying you for stating your opinion on something, and speaking for myself I can personally assure you that such a thought is untrue when applied to me. I cannot speak for everyone else, but, again, I don't see where your current ideas about us.

What am I even doing? I just want no one to learn swear words because of this thread. That's all I EVER wanted. But I don't appreciate you guys pinpointing the blame on me all the time. Especially if I'm stating my own opinion.

Do I have to repeat myself?

Look, BlueSpeeder, I will say this one more time: All we're trying to do is determine whether we should make a list of "dos and don'ts" for usage of language between other users and/or what kind of content should be forbidden in general discussion (one obvious example being pornography and, say, what everyone fancies from it -- not exactly something you should expect to see someone ask you on a Sonic the Hedgehog website that doesn't cover Rule 34 in some way, wouldn't you agree?), and if so which "dos and don'ts we should list with the possible update to the policy. We're listing examples of this stuff so there can be no room for misinterpretation on this "obviously offensive material". We can't worry about kids seeing this'' particular forum, otherwise getting this issue addressed in a public forum where everyone can participate would become unnecessarily difficult.

If you feel differently and still wish to censor this forum, then I'm afraid that an impasse has been reached -- and one of two things needs to happen:

1) We can do what you suggest at the cost of getting a clear consensus more difficult and time-consuming, or,

2) You and others who share your views and desire to hinder this discussion can cease your participation in it. This issue is something me and others wish to address and get out of the way, and if you want to hinder that then I must ask that you leave so those who do want to get this issue resolved can, with logic and reasoning. I'd rather you not have to leave the discussion, but if you're gonna cause problems by turning this forum into a debate about who is and isn't personally attacking you, then do us all a favor and move such a topic to a different forum.