Board Thread:Site Discussions/@comment-4533965-20141229233245/@comment-1669199-20150102225845

BlueSpeeder wrote: Genesjs wrote: Community Consensus:

I know this is gonna sound a little on the short-tempered side (believe me, I am perfectly calm -- I'm just stressing a point), but: Haven't we already been using and expressing the need to use community consensus in most of our affairs? Why suggest holding something towards the Administrators that should already be in place and enforced to begin with? If there's some Admins blatantly going out of their way to contradict this policy and use their tools to override and ignore the thoughts and feelings of the community, with absolutely no remorse whatsoever, then they should be held accountable for their actions -- I thought this was something everyone knew and agreed on years ago. Admins shouldn't be allowed to do anything major without the consent of the community, because they aren't exempt from the rules and policies that they've agreed to enforce. Again, if there's Admins who're acting on their own in this manner, just reprimand them or punish them outright and move on.


 * Regardless, even though I think I've made it clear numerous times in the past how Pro-Community-Consensus I am, I'm gonna throw in my support on this thing.

Regarding to that last part, as I'm sure you know, there's been some issues lately with administrators doing whatever they want as they please and using the excuse "it's administrator discretion" to loophole the community consensus. Like I said, I'm sure you knew that.

(Couldn't make any replies until now, so sorry for the late response) Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Anyway, believe or not, I didn't know the full extent of this problem -- because, as I'm sure you know, I'm not around as often as a number of people who regularly visit the site are. My Internet access is limited, and from what I have seen most issues that occur here tend to be discussed on the chat as soon as they happen, and since the chat doesn't keep any records on things that are said on there there's no way for me to really know as much about this stuff unless I ask about it (and that's assuming anyone is willing to share any information about problems that may be going on with me in the first place) or if its mentioned somewhere on the main Wiki where anyone can easily see and learn about it. I don't know every little thing that occurs here, so forgive me for my ignorance.

That being said, I still stand by my original argument regarding this point that Admins who're circumventing site policies to suit their own interests should be dealt with, ideally as soon as the problems occur. I know you're merely trying to remind everyone, particular the Admins, that they aren't the Alpha and Omegas when it comes to the laws on this site, but all I was doing was suggesting that, if the circumstances are justified, deal with the Admins who're causing too much of a commotion with their actions. Tell them off, remind them of what their positions here really mean, anything -- we should do what we have to do so nothing escalates into something bigger than it needs to be.

Speaking of which, while we're on the topic of reminding the Admins to not think of themselves as "Gods", answer me this: the recent offenders -- have they been talked to about their actions? Do they understand the points you and any others who feel bothered by them are trying to make? Did they promise to improve their conduct? I don't know who these Admins in particular are, nor do I know where to look for the answers to my questions, so I'd appreciate it if you or someone took the time to fill me in on the gaps.