Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog series

Does anyone ever read this? Anyway, I noticed that the instruction manual for Triple Trouble states that Robotnik has once again tricked Knuckles in to believing that Sonic was after the Chaos Emeralds for evil. This changes up the timeline a bit. Now, we can place Triple Trouble after Sonic and Knuckles, and, perhaps, Sonic 2 can be bumped up a bit to come right before Sonic 3. is that us or japan?

what does oneiromancy have to do with the section of the page?


 * I don't know, but I assume it was a joke. It has been removed. -- Supermorff 21:57, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Canon

 * I don't think the word "Canon" is being used properly on this page. Canon is a work that has been accepted as an authentic, published, text. I would agree that Sonic X-treme and crackers are not canon because they were never released, but things like Olympic games, and mean bean machine I think are canon. Just because they don't fit into a speculative continuity does not mean they are not official texts. Sonictoast 15:16, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Rather depends, really. You can take something as canon with respect to a certain continuity. Sonic canon, in general and using the definition you provide, is huge and encompasses all the comics, all the games and all the TV series. The "Sonic games canon", as we generally define it on this wiki (and as other sites tend to), means that something takes place within the continuity established in the main games of the Sonic game series. Mean Bean Machine takes place within the continuity of the Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog TV series. -- Supermorff 17:57, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Well said Supermorff. Sonictoast 22:46, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Sonic 06 ≠ Sonic Rush
Well, it is speculated there are two blazes. Or Sonic 06 is not canon. Or Sonic Team failed to explain.

I doubt Blaze was sealed into SRA's world. Because when she is, she is shown a place with lovely grass... but in SRA, its all sandy and foresty ETC.

But.....

LittleBigPlanet
I don't know if this is the right place to mention but I was looking at the LittleBigPlanet wiki and I found this:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/littlebigplanet/images/7/73/Little_Big_Planet_Sonic_Pack.png

I'm a little annoyed that they chose the werehog over a certain black &amp; red hedgehog, but what can ya do?  Myself  123  19:39, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Themes
Should we have a section regarding the themes of the sonic series? Although largely absent now, the main theme of the early Sonic games was Nature Vs Man, with sonic being a hedgehog, and Eggman wanting to replace the world with machines and capturing animals and turning them into robots. Sonic CD shows this heavily, with the natural phenomenon, little planet, being tethered in place, and the bad future showing the planet ruined by Eggman's influence. Sonic Chronicles also references it too with Eggman's quote "There wasn't nearly as much flower-sniffing and puppy-hugging as I thought there was going to be".  Myself  123  14:41, July 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not sure. Can you find some references from creators that this was intended, because if we rely on evidence from the games alone it'll end up as a page full of speculation and original research. Also, can you think of any other themes, because if this is the only one that it might also not make for a great article. -- Supermorff 19:21, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Unleashed, colors and Chronicles
I believe that SEGA intended Chronicles to be directly after unleashed. Knuckles and the others are always saying that Sonic has been gone for "a long time", referring to him being off on his world adventure with Chip. They all also believe Robotnik is dead referring to when he was attacked by Dark Gaia. We know that Robotnik was okay in the end, but Sonic did not see him crash in the desert and did not know he lived. Surely this is evidence that Sonic Chronicles goes directly after Sonic Unleashed. However, that leaves a predicament as to where to fit Sonic Colors. Perhaps Colors goes before Unleashed. It would explain why Unleashed begins in Outer Space.Sonictoast 03:43, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Don't know how effective it is to answer almost 8 months later, but I think the reason they thought Robotnik was dead was because of the huge explosion on his airship, followed by it crashlanding in Metropolis, which was shown in the intro of the game. After that, Sonic took a long vacation and went exploring n' stuff.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 15:16, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Colors goes after Unleashed and before Generations, since Eggman makes reference to his defeat in Colors that directly leads to the plot of Generations (not trying to give away too many spoilers of course). After all, the levels listed seem to be in chronological order: Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic and Knuckles, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Sonic 2006 (although the events of this game were erased, Time Eater must be really powerful), Sonic Unleashed, and Sonic Colors. Of course, this isn't all the games, but Unleashed must be before Colors, which is directly before Generations. Ghostkaiba297 18:55, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

I believe that Colors happens before Unleashed, because as said before Unleashed begins in outer space. My main reason for thinking this however, is because Sonic doesn't seem to know what the Boost technique is. In one of the cutscenes him and Tails talk about the White Wisps having energy they've never seen before, for example when Tails says "Yeah, and remember all of that energy you got from just one of them?" while he's explaining Hyper Go-On energy. Because of this, I believe Sonic gradually learned to boost by himself without the need of White Wisps to help him and could harness the power of Super Sonic without even transforming. And, thus, Unleashed. BxBright 00:29, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Overhaul
Okay, the Sonic Free Riders description, at the very least, needs a big-time redo. It's total speculation on the events and timeline, instead of actually describing the game's plot like the others!--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 15:13, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sonic CD
Well I got a problem with the place of Sonic CD. The game involve Metal Sonic, Dr. Robotnik's best creations and Sonic CD is before Sonic 2 but in Sonic 2 we can see Mecha Sonic which is clearly inferior to Metal Sonic. The Mecha Sonic from Sonic and Knuckles is best but not as good as Metal Sonic... So either has Robotnik completely forgot how to build Metal Sonic or either he didn't already created him...So I think the best place is after Sonic and Knuckles I think after such an adventure he did get on vacation with Amy.^^ (Sonic already knows Amy on the manual story)78.230.48.89 15:47, August 26, 2011 (UTC)Noxyam


 * Wow, you beat me to it. The Mecha Sonic in Sonic 2 (called Silver Sonic) is destroyed, so Robotnik replaces him with Mecha Sonic in Sonic and Knuckles. Knuckles destroys Mecha Sonic, so in Sonic CD, Robotnik replaces him with Metal Sonic, who survives up until Sonic Generations. Ghostkaiba297 18:48, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Sonic Advance
I don't really understand why the appearance of the red Tornado goes as a reason for the placement of Sonic Advance before Sonic Adventure because in articles of this Wiki itself is told that Tails repeared his old plane after the end of Sonic Adventure. 84.63.240.164 14:29, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

SegaSonic the Hedgehog's Placement
I noticed that SegaSonic the Hedgehog has been moved to the first slot. Where was it ever mentioned that Sonic and Robotnik met before the events of the first game? In SegaSonic the Hedgehog, I am pretty sure that Robotnik captures Sonic because he has already caused trouble for him and not necessarily because it was just a random kidnapping. It would seem that the entire island was meant to get rid of Sonic, so it couldn't be the first in the series. As for Mighty and Ray, they were probably just with Sonic at the time he was taken. The story leading into the game is a bit unclear. I'm moving the arcade game to a later point in the timeline until further notice. Diamonddeath 04:12, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Storybook saga
due to sonic mentioning the Secret rings game on Sonic Generations it means the game took place before generations So i guess we should put the storubook saga as Saga 10 while the Planetary Problems as Saga 11 due to the events of secret rings happening before those games

Sonic Generations Timeline Issue
For Modern Sonic it's currently the last [released] game in the timeline minus Chronicles, but how about for Classic???


 * Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode II will feature Classic Sonic, as it is set shortly after Sonic 4 Episode I, which is shortly after Sonic and Knuckles. Chronologically, Classic Sonic arrived in the limbo of Generations from the first level in the first Sonic the Hedgehog, possibly even before his first fight with Robotnik. Ghostkaiba297 18:51, November 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * One, this timeline doesn't state that. Two, then where did Classic Tails come from?

It's possible that Classic Sonic was just passing through Green Hill Zone. He seems to run around to various places quite often. Diamonddeath 01:15, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Rush and Rivals
Assuming the Eggman Nega in the Rivals series is the same as the one in Rush, Rush and Rush Adventure would have to take place before Rivals and Rivals 2, because Eggman Nega is on Eggman's side in Rush, but at the end of Sonic Rush Adventure, they seem to turn against each other when Eggman Nega tries to blow up the world, and in Rivals, he is Eggman's enemy. (Although because Eggman Nega in Rivals wants Eggman out of the timeline because of his failures disrupting his line of scientists, I believe it's a different one than the Sol counterpart in Rush). As for Blaze and Silver, Rivals has to take place after the events of Sonic 2006 were erased, otherwise Silver would have recognized Sonic in 2006, and not recognized him in Generations. I'm not sure whether Rush takes place before 2006 would, though. Ghostkaiba297 19:05, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Sonic Generations (Classic Continuity) ?
After Sonic 3, Sonic and Tails flew to South Island, where Sonics "House" is. While Tails stayed at the house, fixing up the Tornado, Sonic decided to Take a Quick run through Green Hill, then visit Splash Hill Zone, another part of GHZ That he never visited before, Before he was able to get to Splash Hill, a black Time Anomoly came and captured Green Hill, With Sonic and Tails in it.

After the Events of Sonic Generations, (I believe Sonic and Tails lost all memory of the events, while their future selves still remember) Sonic had ended up back at the end of Green Hill, and on his way to Splash Hill. Unknown to Sonic at this point, Sonic's eyes had started to develop Emerald Green Irises, the rest of body was going through puberty for the first time (His limbs got longer, His quills grew longer and sharper, his fur got slightly darker). And He had somehow thought of a new skill. The Homing Attack. Where he learned it was a mystery to him, But he can now see, or feel, The location of everything around him, and can focus, or lock on, to his opponents, and home-in, on them.

Then Sonic Pocket Adventure starts.

There, The Sonic 1-CD-2-3K-4 is all fixed!

Here's something I've pasted from a forum member at SEGA forums, thesoniczone11, I believe it should be implemented as currently there's nothing for Classic Sonic in Generations. BxBright 00:29, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Good theory, but far too specualtive to put on the page.  Myself  123  00:35, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Seperate Page
This page should be seperated because this timeline's getting too big - half the page is just for the unofficial timeline.