Talk:Earth/Archive 1

Let me sum this up to those who are still confused with the Earth/Mobius debate. There are three planets in total, each in a different reality.

Earth (Our world)- The actual in real life planet we live on that is not home to Sonic or any of his humanoid animal friends. This is the world that YOU live on.

Earth (Sonic's world)- The world of Sonic the Hedgehog where his life and games take place. This is an alternate Earth compared to our own and fictional. It is different from our real Earth because it's humans share it with dwarf-size humanoid animals of human intellect, however they are the minority race compared to humans who populate all over the Earth. While this Earth has the same locations we have on our Earth, it does have places that are alternate to ours. For example Empire City is perhaps this Earth's version of New York. For all we know the land that Empire City and Central City are located on could still be called America.

Mobius (Cartoon and Comics)- The name of this planet was actually a mistranslation error as Sonic Team were actually discussing one of the obsticals in the game, the Möbius strip. Some people today are confused and say that this is Sonic's actual world. This is false. It is a world where an alternate Sonic the Hedgehog lives named "Sonic" Olgilvie Maurice Hedgehog. It is based on an 14,016 CE-old Earth where after alien-nuclear war, Earth was ultimately "reset" and renamed Mobius. There is also other alternate Mobius' located in zones. Three in particular alternate Mobius' are the cartoon Mobius of AoSTH, the gritty british-english Mobius of Sonic the Comic and Sonic Underground being close to Archie's Mobius, but under different royality.

There is also Planet Freedom from the video movie.

I hope that this has cleared up all confusion to those questioning Sonic's home planet.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 14:43, June 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Seems your clarification needs some clarification. The name "Mobius" is not a translation error. The name was used before the interview that those people consider to be the origin of the term. In the continuities featuring Mobius as Sonic's home planet, Mobius is his actual world. In the continuities not featuring Mobius, his homeworld is unnamed or it is Earth (or Planet Freedom).
 * And, as usual, this should be a forum not on the talk page. -- Supermorff (talk) 14:44, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * I put this here to save the trouble of those wondering where Sonic came from and asking over and over on various talk pages and forums.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 17:35, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand, but your post contains some factual inaccuracies. Also, this is the kind of distinction that should be made in the article itself. -- Supermorff (talk) 19:36, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't mind it being editted if I am inaccurate. But Do you mena a brand new article or either Earth or Mobius article?--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 17:09, July 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I meant on the existing articles, but for a while I've considered a new article called Sonic's planet and you've just convinced me to start it. Have a look. -- Supermorff (talk) 18:58, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of claling it the Earth/Mobius debate being thats where the confusion is.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 14:02, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * There's no debate, though, except for people who like arguing. Things are as they are. The name of Sonic's planet is just different in different continuities. -- Supermorff (talk) 19:33, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Earth/Mobius confusion then? :D--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 00:04, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh. A bit better, but I think just leave it where it is. If nothing else, calling it that would make it a subpage of Earth, which we don't want. -- Supermorff (talk) 06:43, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Earth versus Mobius
According to the Archie Comic series, Mobius is Earth. I would guess this would be an accepted explanation for the other media in which Sonic's home is referred to as "Mobius." I still don't totally understand where they were in Sonic X. FerralMoonrender 22:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's all about different 'continualities' Theirs a variety such as the differences between AoSTH and SatAM. These 'Mobiuses' may have alot in common (Sonic, Robotnik, DiC, name) but not in the same realaties as AoSTH is all about the lols while SatAM is metallic drama. X is based with Chris and ofcourse the series of games. I personally concentrate on the games than the comics, cartoons or anything else but thats how I apreciate Sonic.--Mystic Monkey 00:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

earth ii is mobius?
earth ii is mobius? (sonicthehedgehog9000)

Sonic born on Christmas Island
Does that mean Sonic is an Aussie?
 * The old Sonic Bible is sort of a grey area. Not even hardcore Sonic fans are 100% on it. For example it is said Dr. Robotnik was once Dr. Kintobor, but in Sonic Adventure 2 it is proven that Dr. Robotnik has family history. Could easily be rewritten though that Dr. Robotnik was once the kind scientist and now Dr. Eggman.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 14:43, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Earth Unleashed
As the new game centers mostly around this world, would the continents, location and flags be included soon? I would do it myself but dunno the correct places for them.--Mystic Monkey 21:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC) =No mobius in original= In the japenese manuals of the old sonic games sonic has always been living on earth. even christmas island and south island are located in the pacific ocean in these manuals. japan has created sonic and always had him living on earth. he was born on earth. though the american manuals say it was on mobius. so in truth angel island and every other place in the games and sonic and his friends were born on earth. and every adventure. By --JohnnyLightning 03:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Johnny Lightning 3/11/09
 * ...in the Japanese continuity. And only in the Japanese continuity.
 * And even if it is Earth, it's not our Earth, and dosn't have our countries and soforth. Rendering the point somewhat moot. The Doctor... IS IN Molten Scandium  04:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Picture
I seriously doubt the picture shown on the article is Earth. It does NOT look like earth, and in the game, the continents are different (Mazuri, Spagonia, etc.) It's safe to say that the picture shown is Mobius, not Earth.
 * I like to think of it as an alternate earth, i mean there are no giant talking animals here.  Myself  123  10:27, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ehh, all Mobius really is, is an alternate Earth. --72.197.35.238 15:50, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

See "Earth versus Mobius" discussion on top of page about it. I believe that it is canon that Sonic's Earth and Mobius are from two seperate Sonic continuities and Sonic's world is simply based and named after our real world we live on.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 14:43, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Tidied up a bit
Hope it all looks alright now.
 * Thank you.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 14:43, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Picture
Could we get a picture of earth as it appears in the games when it isn't shattered? It appears much more often like that. - Shadow34

Sega Stars
This is a bit of a stretch since cross-series is not usually considered canon, but do you think it "maybe" canon Sonic shares his world with other Sega Stars? (Except for Sega stars who's games set in there own worlds.)

NiGHTS for example since Sonic and NiGHTS have met some times and for all we know Twinseeds and Bellbridge actual locations in Sonic's world, just Sonic wasn't shown there.

Also Sonic has been to the Gurhal Star System (Phantasy Star) a few times.

As for Nintendo cross over, to me that be too much of a stretch, like Nintendo being an alternate universe to Sega. Though who to say that before Mario lived in the Mushroom Kingdom he lived in the same Brooklyn that is on Sonic's world?--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 14:40, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Clearing up the Japanese continuity once and for all
It is generally accepted that the setting of the planet in the Japanese games is Earth. After Sonic Adventure, the early American continuity was scrapped and the series followed Sonic's adventures on Earth rather than Mobius. Therein lies the problem - Sonic's home planet was also never stated in the Japanese games. Let's start with Sonic Adventure 2, a "modern" game with a relatively poor English translation. It has established Sonic's planet as Earth, and contains the most amount of times the planet has been named in a game. Except it totally does not in the Japanese version.

In the Japanese script, almost all instances where "Earth" is named in the English script is instead 地 (chi). This has multiple meanings, but the meaning in context here would be the ground or surface. It is not 地球 (chikyū), which is literally (earth) soil ball. In essence, the Japanese script of Sonic Adventure 2 doesn't call it Earth - the equivalent should instead be the planet.

I've referred to the Japanese storylines listed on South Island Stories to back this up. It seems to be a common thing for translators to call it Earth, but it's more implicit than explicit and can be more of a suggestion of it being life-sustaining planet than anything. The point is, Earth is never directly named in the pre-Sonic Adventure games either - it is always "chi"! In fact, in terms of the Japanese manuals - the only time the planet was ever named was in Sonic Spinball, of all places. It was still Mobius! Whether or not it's canon is up for debate, and I'll just leave it at that since that's another discussion altogether.

So when you see the latest games refer to the planet as "Sonic's world", this is not a retcon - rather, it's the translators trying to be closer to the original Japanese games! Sonic Unleashed proved that the world is loosely based on the actual Earth, so the occasional references you'd see in the games such as Christmas Island, the South Pacific and San Francisco aren't completely out of place. So there you have it. You heard it here first. 144.80.137.140 19:02, September 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am so glad you brought this up (although I rather wish you'd made yourself an account first). For ages I've been hoping someone would provide evidence that the name of Sonic's world was or wasn't Earth. People have been repeating it for so long that they assume it's true. So what do we do about this? -- Supermorff (talk) 16:08, September 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * I looked some of this up on YouTube, and it actually checks out. I think the only other games that use "earth" are Sonic Battle and Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood - but it's always in lowercase, and can thus easily fall into the "surface of the world" definition (although now I'm curious if the Japanese text falls into the "chi" trend). As for what we should do about it - I'm thinking we should rename the article "Sonic's world" since that's recent direct terminology used by Eggman in Sonic Colors and in the Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode II storyline. There can be a new section presenting conflicting evidence of the planet's true identity, leaving the reader to decide if they want to follow early Mobius material, the SA2 Earth localization, believe it is unknown or simply leave it up in the air. LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:03, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * We already have a page of Sonic's planet, which I made as a sort of disambiguation. The opening paragraph of the page right now does say that Earth was only used in the English translations of SA2 and some subsequent games. I don't know what to do. -- Supermorff (talk) 07:59, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * You can always merge the articles together. Maybe use the bulk of the Sonic's planet content as a "Sonic's world in other media" section. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:00, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sonic and friends ARE from Mobius
Seriouesly the fans STILL belive Sonic and friends are from earth and not Mobius? WOW! No wonder the fanbase complains, they actally say Sonic is from earth and not Mobius. Let me clear up this confusion. Sonic and friends actally ARE from Mobius, I could argue with other Sonic fans for hours trying to fit everything together but it's a waste of time, watch this video because I dont want to waste my time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btcDr1jrOdI

That's just a theory, as stated by video author himself. It's highly speculative and contains little fact, what proof do you have that the planet the Sonic series is based in is called Mobius?  Myself  123  19:59, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Remember that in Sonic X there was that Sonic Adventure DX and Sonic Adventure 2 Battle saga, it is possible that the classic games did in fact take place on earth and when Sonic and friends were transported to earth via Chaos Control which in turn was before the SA1 and SA2 saga's, the games SA1 and SA2 do indeed take place after Sonic and friends were transported to earth which eplains why Sonic and friends get along with the humans because they had time to adapt to living on earth.

That's Sonic X, not the games, the games are different from Sonic X.  Myself  123  20:28, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

.............Though I dont want to spoil it much, I am actally trying to make a maio and sonic adventue game and in that game Sonic and his friends will be fom Mobius insted of earth...

Well that nice and all, but I fail to see what it has to do with discussion at hand. Also, would you mind signing your posts with four tides ( ~ )? It makes is easier to know who's leaving posts.  Myself  123  20:48, November 1, 2012 (UTC)