Talk:Shadow the Hedgehog

Age
surly Shadow is 50 years old, as he was created 50 years ago.  Myself 123  17:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually it is rounded to 50: Shadow's game manual says "Some 50 years ago, this "Ultimate Life Form" was the result of the army's secret research," also I think there is also a source that says "over 50." Officially his age is "unknown" (as listed in Sonic Heroes manual) because it never pins down the exact distance into the past he was created. But I want to add that this whole "he was created 50 years ago but physically his body is 15" thing is lame, do we ever think about equivalent ages to animals "the dog is 1 year old so physically he is the equivalent of 7 years old in human time."? Besides since his body is ageless, it is always at its peak - the peak age for humans is given as an broad estimate because it is varies between individuals. 69.140.240.96 04:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The source of him being physically 15 is Concept: "Mobius." It points out that Shadow is the same height and weight as Sonic who is 15.Fair field fencer F F F  10:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note:Concept: "Mobius" is a fansite, thus, we can't use it. Also, we really don't know what a male hedgehog from their world could look like at say, age 5. Though, going by the game's time, Shadow should be around 3 (Phyically) Skeletal SLJCOAAATR  Soul 12:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Still for age, i think we should put around 50, it may not be accurate, but it's close.  Myself 123  15:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It should be noted that for Sonic X he would have been created when Sonic is at the age of about 11 due to the time passing difference of the worlds. 97.127.26.212 02:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

You do realize that on Japan's official website Sonic Channel states that Shadow has no age at all. With that in mind, his age slot should say either "ageless" or "N/A". And I'm going to do that right now. 209.255.28.227 20:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, come on! He is ageless, chronically ageless! He was just created 50 years ago! Why do you talk about stupid things?! You guys aren't going to celebrate his B-day or something!-- FreakyBlackDoom58 'If You Wanna See Sonic Ever Again Then Serve Me...Time Is Running Short...BWAHAHAHA!!!'  14:09, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

So, is anyone going to describe what Shadow does in Sonic Unleashed?
I'm asking since the info for Shadow being in Sonic Unleashed isn't mentioned yet, I haven't gotten the game yet (and even if I did, it would have been the Wii version, which doesn't do much good, as they cut him out of that version) so won't someone update his profile to mention what he is doing in Sonic Unleashed? This goes for Knuckle's article, as well.
 * Early reports said Shadow and Knuckles were in it but it's been proven incorrect. The closest you'll get is a sign post in Empire City telling you which way Shadow Road is. But that's in the Xbox 360 version.Fair field fencer F F F  08:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Well Shadow was supposed to appear in Unleashed and i think he was going to be played in the day stages like Sonic and Knuckles would play the night stages.Sonic &amp; Scrab Master 02:00, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Shadow isnt in Sonic Unleashed(Topaz 67 03:15, December 9, 2009 (UTC))

Sorry
hey um guys sorry but i kind of messed up shadow's image so if someone could fix it, please, I'M VERY SORRY! I was trying to put another picture but failed. :( Dawnthehedgehog 04:20, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I am SO Going to get flamed for this.
But does anyone realise that Shadow is something of a Gary Stu or a Marty Stu or whatever? I mean, he's all powerful, he can't age or die, he can teleport and the creators tried to drown that out with too many faults. -_-, And if you flame me for this, you're violating my right to have an opinion. - Anon

He's nothing of a Sue compared to Blaze. Besides, you said it yourself, he has faults. I'd say it evens out. And I respect your opinion. :P LOL, In my opinion, he's more of a Vincent Valentine. I suggest you get yourself one of these.--Shadowkusanagi 01:23, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

He seems like just a whiney, emo version of Sonic to me. 174.23.107.202 05:06, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

How does being pissed at humanity after being forced to watch his best friend get killed by humans make him emo? I agree with the person who said he was like Vincent Valentine; he was genuinely wronged in the past and swore revenge shortly afterward. And I really don't see any physical resemblance between Shadow and Sonic at all. Xeno the Hedgehog 18:43, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Shadow is emo because his sister/neice, Maria passed. Also because he was created as a weapon of destruction. He thinks better of himself, he doesn't want to destroy things. He also suffers from depression, amnesia and schitzophrenia. Why wouldn't he be emo?? But that's how he's character was created so quit complaining. (Topaz 67 03:16, December 9, 2009 (UTC))

You are generalizing the "emo" stereotype far too much. He's not emo. He USED to be somewhat depressed, but, as of current canon, he seems to do quite well. The amnesia has been non-existant as of the end of his game. He NEVER suffered from schizophrenia whatsoever. And none of his behavior fits the emo-stereotype, either. Herman2000 15:48, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Shadow is cool, but here's a question.
173.73.72.237 05:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC) Here I am leaving a message on the talk of one of my favorite heroes of them all Shadow the Hedgehog (Yeah you Shadow Haters... he's so awesome and you know it). Anyway I came here to post up a question for anyone who can answer it. In the game Shadow the Hedgehog they said that the comet passes by every fifty years. Yet in Sonic Adventure 2, Shadow had awoken after being imprisoned for fifty years in the military base. So why didn't the comet pass by and Black Doom approach him then? I'm posting this question here since there's no discussion section for the Black Comet itself.


 * The Black Arms are religious nutcases, seems to be the short answer. Why didn't they conquer Mobius when Black Doom brought the Glyphic Canyon skyships to the surface of Mobius, 2000 years ago? There wasn't any GUN to stop 'em, then. I suspect the answer does indeed lie in Black Arms eschatology. Notice how Black Doom keeps rambling on about the "Promised time" all the way through Shadow's game? THAT'S why. The Black Arms will have some sort of religious prophecy that prohibited them from acting until the time they eventually did. Molten Scandium 11:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to mention the fact that it might not have been exactly fifty years ago. When Shadow was reawakened it could have easily been 48 years. People some times use rough approximations instead of the actually amount. It's not uncommon.Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  11:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO ANNIHILATE THE PLANET!!!!-- FreakyBlackDoom58 'If You Wanna See Sonic Ever Again Then Serve Me...Time Is Running Short...BWAHAHAHA!!!'  14:02, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Immortal?
164.106.16.157 17:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC) I notice that everyone says Shadow does not age and is immortal (even the games say that). Well that could be true, but I'm here to finally say this to the world. Is he really an ageless immortal? I mean sure he's like 50, but he was frozen in sleep for all those years, so of course he wouldn't age. He doesn't look much older with each passing game, but then again Sonic and the others don't look any older or younger either. I'd say that Shadow's physical age is seventeen (since he seems a little older than Sonic) and his actual age is 67.
 * If you can back that up with an official source, like SHadow's profile from Sonic Channel, then you may add it, but for the moment in time, this is merely speculation.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  17:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

164.106.16.157 18:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC) Well unfortunatly I do not. But until I do, it'll give the users and Shadow Fans something to talk about.


 * I've been thinkin' about this of late as well, to prosecute my vendetta against the Ageless article, LOL. The official website for Sonic '06, however, states outright that Shadow's body dosn't age. However, it also says he "can't be killed", which is blatantly impossible. Nonewithstanding the fact that Shadow dies all the time when you're PLAYING the games, it's also just stupid: I don't care how much Chaos Control the black hog can do, you drop a big enough weight on his head and he will pancake.


 * But I digress. Point is, Shadow is definitly cut-and-dry canonically ageless. Molten Scandium 19:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Could be a bit of a mistranslation and it's meant to be he can't die, probably of old age and disease and not meaning he is actually 100% invincible.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  19:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Fair point that. I was most pleased to discover the other day that the two "dimensions" (Land of Sky and Land of Darkness) mentioned in the Sonic Movie aren't actually seperate dimensions at all. That was a translation error; they're really just "areas". Which makes a hell of a lot more sense. Molten Scandium 19:38, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The very website you linked has even made translation errors. They refer to Blaze as a Queen when she is really a princess. And in Sonic Heroes, Rouge says Shadow is a robot by the end of Team Dark's story, but I learned that in Japanese, robot and a clone or an artificially made being, are very similar in sound or text. Something like that, the point is, Rouge could have been calling Shadow a clone instead of a robot, but it was mistranslated.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  19:46, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I always distrusted the "princess" as well, in all honesty. Blaze is never really shown to have any (royal) family or leadership-administrative duties like you'd expect if she really was in charge of her entire world. No, she spends the entire time running around fighting baddies who try to steal her dimension's gems of power. Seems a lot more like "princess" is just her world's title for "Guardian", a la Knucklehead. Molten Scandium 19:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You need to go play Sonic Rush Adventure. She really IS a princess according to that game. Dashing Blue 01:46, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Sub-nuclear fission
Unlike our dear SLJ, I'm usually all in favour of merging. HOWEVER, this article is getting big and bulky, and the "Archie Shadow" Sonic the Hedgehog (comics) section is more than big enough to be set free and given its own page, in the same way that we have a dedicated page for Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie character). It would, I think, aid with the disambiguation. Votes? - Molten Scandium 21:34, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm all for it.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  21:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Shadow's SSBB Art VS. Shadow's Sonic 2006 Art

 * Did anybody notice that both artworks are very similar?(not all the way the same, of course)-- A k a m i a (Talk) 04:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Shadow being designed after Sonic? Impossible? Think again!
I remember hearing this in an actual game, not some fanboy ramblings, but it is still possible that Shadow was modeled after Sonic. How? The hieroglyphics in the echinda pyramids depicting Super Sonic! In Sonic Battle, didn't Proffesor Gerald find the Gizoid while studying echinda remains or something? I think he based Shadow's design on the prophecy, explaining why Shadow's sprites are in Super Sonic position. Shadow is only black and red because of Black Arms DNA, otherwise, he would always look like Super Sonic. Now I'm tired, a little dizzy, so I'm not sure about the specifics. I KNOW I heard it somewhere, in an actual game. Can someone back this up from somewhere? Check Sonic Battle, Sonic Adventure, and Shadow the Hedgehog if you wanna do some snooping. -Anonymous contributor

You're totally right!! No wonder they confused Sonic for Shadow in SA2B! Never thought of that, you taught me something today! -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog  05:19, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

shade and shadow....
i think that would be funny to hear....but the mental picture is scary....never mind.artemis fowl 3--Meowmix5 19:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)meowmix5

Huh
Why does the reader need to know 'controversial' upon seeing the link to the game of the same name? Shouldn't that just be in the article itself? Kaihedgie 06:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well spotted. I'll remove that. -- Supermorff 19:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Shedding...Tears
OMG,he cried!!!!That's very heartwarming!!Shady the Hedgehog 22:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He did? When? Xeno the Hedgehog 03:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

According to mty friends, it was when Amy reminded him about Maria's promise. But he looked more like frantic then crying--116.50.177.6 04:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC)Saria the Hedgehog

This was in Sonic Adventure 2 -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog  05:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

He also creid in Sonic X,because Chris remind him what Maria really wanted was for him to be friends with the people and as Chris fainted he caught him in his arm and a close up of him crying is seen with a tear in his eye.--Hikaruyami-having fun* 14:13, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

What ze Heck!?
Alright, what's up with the infobox? It looked nice and fine before, and now it looks likes.....this! Could the person who did this please explain? I'm not an admin, so I can't reprimand them, I just wanna know why they think they have the right to change something like the infobox so drastically!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 15:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

THE TRIVIA WAS A TOTAL DRAG!!!!
The trivia of Shadow's was so bad that I forgot that I can't eat water! Luckily, I removed it.-- LonelyAssassin 'Vote My Poll'  14:03, October 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Seemed pretty legit to me. Xeno the Hedgehog 16:41, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

No it wasn't.-- LonelyAssassin 'Vote My Poll'  14:03, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe try to explain in greater detail what's so bad about it. Herman2000 21:40, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Okay fine..whatever:


 * 1. It is said that Shadow and Amy are "close" or "good" friends, meaning that Shadow must remember his encounter with her to some extent.

It doesn't matter. They aren't "close friends" and it who cares if he remembers his encounter with her. Shadow and Amy barely show any relation!


 * 2.When Shadow gains first place in Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity he will say that his opponents are "too slow", this is also one of Sonic's taunts in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

Again, who cares? Any quote can be similiar! Lots of people call others "slow".


 * 3.Shadow shows a sense of manners to girls. He has never been foul to any female character except, perhaps, Marine the Raccoon. Shadow is also practically the only male character who did not consider Amy rather careless or a waste of time (like Silver did when he asked himself what on earth he was doing with her and Sonic, Knuckles and Tails who find Amy rather a distraction).

This is what I hate the most! You already know how dumb this is! Shadow doesn't talk much to her...does that mean respect? Shadow doesn't talk much to anyone!


 * 4.If Shadow is created from Black Doom's blood, so that means, that Shadow possibly has green blood (Black Arms have green blood). However in episode 73 of Sonic X he is seen with a red cut on his left eye leaving his blood color up for debate.

SEGA made the blood "green" because it would make it friendlier, making it "red" will make people come to think of the fact that it is actually "the blood with oxyhaemoglobin". I have played SEGA Super-stars Tennis and "everyone's" blood is green (They bleed when you get hurt by a zombie in Curien's Mansion) even 'Beat' has green blood!


 * Shadow is said to not eat or drink. However, in episode 72 0f the Japanese version of Sonic X, he is seen with an orange beverage.

Who said that he can't drink?! And it's normal to show someone drinking orange juice in a cartoon! Leave him alone, he's just drinking!


 * Shadow is left-handed, as revealed in Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic the Hedgehog (2006). In Sonic and the Black Knight, Lancelot wields his sword right-handed. Either Lancelot is canonically right-handed (possible, since though he resemlbes Shadow they are distinct characters), or this is because of the Wii's right hand controls, similar to what Nintendo used for the Wii version of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

This isn't useful enough.
 * Shadow is considered to be the most violent and mature character in the Sonic continuities due to the fact that he has driven several vehicles, uses vulgar language and guns(in Shadow the Hedgehog (video game)).

Now, this doesn't matter, because such attitude is only shown in Shadow the Hedgehog.


 * Like most of the Sonic characters, Shadow can take considerable physical punishment, enough that he was shot at point-blank range by Mephiles into a stalactite and still manages to remain conscious, even standing up and continuing to fight afterwards. He also has a very high tolerance to pain. These facts are probably due to characters' strong will, as well as the experimentation of which he is the result.

Can't we just say he's strong or....DON'T MENTION THIS AT ALL!


 * Shadow was originally meant to be a one-time character, hence his 'death' scene at the end of Sonic Adventure 2. However, due to his popularity, he was brought back for Sonic Heroes. This has led to minor controversy from fans as they believe that Shadow's apparent death made a great ending and bringing him back so soon weakened the impact of it.

Fans views do not consider. Must not be put.


 * In Shadow the Hedgehog, the president has a picture of Sonic and Shadow standing near the White House on his desk, however, Shadow had only appeared in Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Heroes, and they have never gone near the White House for a picture. Though it is possible that this happened between the events of Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog.

There is no "big reasoning" the game was just trying to show you that Shadow protected Earth with Sonic, we shouldn't care about "when did this happen". It's a fictional videogame series! Not real life! Don't be personal with your (not you) videogame!


 * In the Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 storyline, following the release of the Flames of Disaster in Silver's time, Shadow was blamed and imprisoned in stasis again. However, with Solaris gone, this fate is possibly null now. Furthermore, the credibility of this claim can be called into question, since the only person stating this was Mephiles, who may have said this in order to trick Shadow into working with him or Omega into questioning his current path of action.

This doesn't make sense. Either this is bad English or it doesn't have a point.


 * Ironically, despite having possibly the most detailed backstory of any character in the series, Shadow is often seen as a "mysterious" character, though this is probably due to his secluded persona.

Fan's must have called him "mysterious", no fan views. It's an encyclopedia.


 * The scene before Circus Park in Shadow the Hedgehog shows Shadow saying the line, "Where's that damn fourth Chaos Emerald?" The line is used often in YouTube Poops.

I don't care what comes on Youtube! And neither should you guys!


 * Shadow is believed to be based on Sonic because of his likeness to Super Sonic (where fans believed that Prof. Gerald based Shadow off of an ancient depiction of Super Sonic fighting Perfect Chaos) this may be why Shadow and Sonic themselves call the other "Faker" as an insult in his first appearance for that reason, it also explains why Shadow's quills point upwards as though he is super.

AGAIN fans! He looks like Sonic and that's final! Do not go in detail! (Psh! Talking about being personal to fictional characters!)-- LonelyAssassin 'Vote My Poll'  14:03, October 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * When did "who cares" become a euphemism for "stop contradicting me, I don't have a convincing counterargument"? and apparently YOU care, else you wouldn't be bitching and moaning about it. And by the way, the article goes into detail about it because that's the PURPOSE of an information database. And I honestly don't see any resemblance, physical or otherwise, between Sonic and Shadow. Xeno the Hedgehog 02:00, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

I agree with all but two things. The thing about his future imprisonment makes perfect sense and is written in the English language as taught at schools all over the world. And why NOT go into detail? That's what makes things interesting, all the little details that make the sum. You're making it seem as if most of this wiki was pointless due to it's large amount of detail put into many an article. Also, your constant "for Naka-san's sake", "for Griffith's sake" etc. makes you look, no offense, quite ridiculous. Not to mention that the suffix "-san" is not part of English language grammar or syntax. Herman2000 12:26, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Superhuman strength?
Uh, just curious, but... wouldn't the capability to lift entire BUSSES and gigantic concrete pieces of a road not be a good example of Shadow's superhuman strength? Herman2000 12:28, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Source for that information, please? I mean... it's been never implied and Chaos Control is most often accompanied by Shadow yelling the name of the technique -- nowhere have I seen that Chaos Control enables one to make things levitate. In fact, all it is shown to be capable of is to teleport matter instantly, slow down and allow travel through time. Herman2000 02:50, November 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Technically, Chaos Control is defined as the general manipulation of space and time via chaos energy. Therefore, it's possible that he can use a form of it to aid in the displacement of objects in space, or in layman's terms, changing the space around the object makes it easier to move. However, this does not necessarily mean that he does not possess unusually high physical strength as well. In "Shadow the Hedgehog" all of the heavy items that he was able to lift were glowing before he got near enough to touch them, so the possibility that he can lift them via his own physical strength cannot be ruled out. It could even be a combination of the two factors. Xeno the Hedgehog 03:38, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Now that there is a FAR more logical attempt at a theory and one I could actually live with. Nice. Herman2000 13:48, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Also notice, he didn't just lift the bus, he THREW IT...WITH ONE HAND!!!

shadow is so awesome one ?
shadow is so awesome he is one of mi favorite characters in sonic x um do shadow and tikal get along with each other cause mi friend and i love him so she just wanted to know you r so cool. XDDD

Shadow and Tikal have never met. Tikal only appeared in Sonic Adventure's story mode and in two player mode of sonic Adventure 2.  Myself <font color="Black">123  22:55, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Huh never knew thatThis Message Will Self-Distruct in 5 seconds 20:26, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Shadow = Vegeta
Shadow and Vegeta are very similar, 'cause both are rivals with the main character, both are prideful and both are seen most of the time wirh folded arms.190.82.181.42 16:01, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Anti-Hero
If that's the case, should we label Batman as an Anti-Hero? I mean, Batman was almost humorless. However, he did legitimately want to make Gotham a better place when doing heroics, even if his heroics had to utilize Vigilantism. Weedle McHairybug 14:56, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Being supposedly humorless does not make one an anti-hero. Vigilant behavior is a tad more likely to have one classified in that category, however. Herman2000 22:28, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Edit disbute
SalaComMander keeps making Shadows alingment Good but me and ShadowGTR think Shadow is at lest Neutral but most fans conseder Shadow to Dark. Witch ones right?

16:51, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

The reason why I believe he is Neutral is because he's served both that of evil as well as good. He was a primary antagonist in Sonic Adventure 2, assisting in the blowing up of Prison Island and played a role in the near destruction of Earth before teaming up with Super Sonic to save it, and also could've been evil (if played as such) in Shadow the Hedgehog. Which is where the good aspects come in, he saved Earth in SA2, and depending on the different stories he also helped out in Shadow the Hedgehog (in the Final Story, he saved Earth as well). The means he accomplished most, if not all of these things was through any means necessary (vigilante) including fighting GUN and Sonic himself. The mix of bad and good is why I believe Shadow to be Neutral. And one can't say he'll be good from now on because that's only speculation. Until it's official decided that he's one or the other, he should remain neutral. -ShadowGTR

Yes what he said.

17:56, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

I agree Sledge The  Hedgehog  18:35, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

But you see, Shadow hasn't been evil since his own game, and even that game reveals he's a hero at the end. Shadow also WILL NOT be working for evil ever again. Shadow should not be counted as an Anti-Hero, otherwise we'd have to classify Knuckles as an Anti-Hero, too. -SalaComMander

Here's my rebuttal:

"Shadow hasn't been evil since his own game, and even that game reveals he's a hero at the end. Shadow also WILL NOT be working for evil ever again." Just because he hasn't done any noteable acts currently, does not rule out what he's done before and what he CAN do in the future. You can't predict the future so you can't say that Shadow will NEVER show us this again.

"Shadow should not be counted as an Anti-Hero, otherwise we'd have to classify Knuckles as an Anti-Hero, too." Why? Knuckles has never done anything evil. The only reason why he fought Sonic to begin with was because Eggman tricked him.

-ShadowGTR

Shadow hasn't done anything really evil either, seeing as at the time, he thought he was delivering justice, but now that he knows the difference between right and wrong, HE WON'T ACT EVIL ANYMORE!!! Also, Shadow now works for G.U.N., G.U.N. is not an evil organizaion, in fact they're job is to protect the people. Hopefully, you shouldn't need more convincing than that. If you do, you are a very sad person. -SalaComMander

No sir this wiki is about facts not opinion.

-- 22:17, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

The only opinion I have stated is that ShadowGTR is an idiot, and I never said that directly. -SalaComMander

"he thought he was delivering justice". Just because he thought he was delivering justice doesn't mean his ACTS in doing so weren't evil.

"Shadow hasn't done anything really evil either." So destroying countless militray equipment, decimating Prison Island, and potentially obliterating Earth isn't evil?

"now that he knows the difference between right and wrong, HE WON'T ACT EVIL ANYMORE!!!" No one said he didn't know the difference, but the point of being a vigilant is taking matters into your own hands and doing whatever you see as necessary to get the job done (including committing crimes in the process).

"Shadow now works for G.U.N." That never stopped him from fighting Sonic in Chronicles in order to find Omega.

"G.U.N. is not an evil organizaion, in fact they're job is to protect the people." They killed several people on ARK in order to silence them and the projects they were conducting. Doesn't sound very good to me.

"Hopefully, you shouldn't need more convincing than that. If you do, you are a very sad person." Ad Hominem attacks aren't going to help your point. - -

-ShadowGTR

"ShadowGTR is an idiot, and I never said that directly" Apparently you just did. Hypocrite much? -ShadowGTR

You ARE an idiot, aren't you? By "I never said that directly" I meant I had never said it BEFORE.

"Just because he thought he was delivering justice doesn't mean his ACTS in doing so weren't evil." And yet Knuckles wasn't being evil? Shadow was not intentionally evil.

"So destroying countless militray equipment, decimating Prison Island, and potentially obliterating Earth isn't evil?" Again, justice. He didn't know.

"No one said he didn't know the difference, but the point of being a vigilant is taking matters into your own hands and doing whatever you see as necessary to get the job done (including committing crimes in the process)." HE said (indirectly) that he didn't know the difference.

"That never stopped him from fighting Sonic in Chronicles in order to find Omega." Omega is Shadow's frined, if Omega's in danger, Shadow will do anything to save him. As well, he would do the same thing for Sonic.

"And yet, G.U.N. is classified as "Heroes" while Shadow is classified as an "Anti-Hero"

"Ad Hominem attacks aren't going to help your point." You are a very sad person.

-SalaComMander

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"You ARE an idiot, aren't you? By "I never said that directly" I meant I had never said it BEFORE." I was being rhetorical but in saying it you just proved my point.

"And yet Knuckles wasn't being evil? Shadow was not intentionally evil." Defense of ones own property isn't evil, intentional destruction is.

"Again, justice. He didn't know." He didn't know killing people is wrong? I call bull.

"HE said (indirectly) that he didn't know the difference." When you say indirectly, I call it speculation.

"Omega is Shadow's frined, if Omega's in danger, Shadow will do anything to save him. As well, he would do the same thing for Sonic." Keyword: ANYTHING. AKA being a vigilant, again, proving my point.

""And yet, G.U.N. is classified as "Heroes" while Shadow is classified as an "Anti-Hero"" Because government institutes aren't the least bit corrupt even if the purpose is "protecting the people"? Doubt it.

"You are a very sad person." Once again, proving my point. -ShadowGTR

"I was being rhetorical but in saying it you just proved my point." Your point was I was a hypocrite, which was not proven in any way.

"Defense of ones own property isn't evil, intentional destruction is." Knuckles has done more than protect his propety, he's almost killed Sonic a few times.

"He didn't know killing people is wrong? I call bull." J-U-S-T-I-C-E! They killed Maria, he was going to avenge her death.

"When you say indirectly, I call it speculation." Play the game Sonic Adventure 2, Shadow realises at the end that Maria didn't want him to kill people, but to give them the chance to be happy. And you know, evil people ALWAYS want to make people happy.

"Keyword: ANYTHING. AKA being a vigilant, again, proving my point." Being vigilant doesn't make him evil. Look one topic up, Batman is not an Anti-Hero.

"Because government institutes aren't the least bit corrupt even if the purpose is "protecting the people"? Doubt it." G.U.N. is not an evil orginization, they're job is to make sure everyone is safe. They thought Project Shadow was unsafe, so they shut it down. And they also thought Gerald and all the people who worked on it were insane, so maybe this Ultimate Life-Form was actually intended to kill everyone, which, as we learned in Shadow The Hedgehog, wasn't true.

The fact that you are sad isn't helping me prove my point, but it does make your point less applicable.

-SalaComMander

Ok this has gotten out of hand. And learn to post singature, its conusing when I dont know when one ends and onuther one starts. -

this discribes shadow's alignment well.

"The hero of the downtrodden, the chaotic good character cares not for laws and order but only for doing good. If they must break the law to help others, they will do so without compunction."

anti hero. Sledge The  Hedgehog  22:59, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

"Hero" "Good" "Helping others" How that makes Shadow an Anit-Hero I don't understand. As pointed out earlier, Batman is not an Anti-Hero, and what you just said describes Batman just as well as it describes Shadow.

Hero. -SalaComMander