Forum:Sonic Tournament Characters

Here we Go! I've taken the liberty of creating this chart, so we can keep track of who we decide will be in the tournament. I went ahead and filled in a handful of the really main characters just because I assume there will be no argument against them. However, let's not put more characters in until we've agreed on them. Sonictoast 23:25, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Update: I've added in all 42 playable characters and those who have gotten 3/4 votes so far.

Update: Alright folks, it is time to finish the list. Aweful shame that Blazerocks hasn't shown up this whole time. The characters who have received 2/3 votes will move up into the roster. If there are open spaces in certain categories, I will be assigning the characters in that category a number, then be using a random number generator which will pick which character gets to be moved up into the roster. Since there have been no objections to the 7 sega all-stars they too will be added. At the bottom of this page, we will start the "Wild Card" Nominations, so if you have a character who you think should be the wild card, be sure to nominate them. Sonictoast 04:21, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Alright Sonictoast, Murph, Super Guy 100 please check in before we choose the charactersBlazeRocks55 18:16, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Super Guy 100 reporting for duty!

Is sonictoast online then we can choose charactersBlazeRocks55 18:19, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

IDK. Super Guy 100 =)

Then we'll pick without himBlazeRocks55 18:23, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

M' kay. Super Guy 100 =)

Sonic and Sega bothBlazeRocks55 18:27, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

agree. Super Guy 100 =)

Hold everything let's choose the characters before we find out who plays whoBlazeRocks55 18:31, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mighty v Fang/Nack? Super Guy 100 =) Let's do all the Sonic Heroes charactersBlazeRocks55 18:35, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Are you nuts? We can't fit that much characters on the roster! But, ok. Have it your way. Super Guy 100 =)

Dude we need 128 charactersBlazeRocks55 20:06, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I forget who they are?BlazeRocks55 18:37, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

OK we'll have to do this around 4:00 Eastern my computers having issuesBlazeRocks55 18:39, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

What state do you live in?BlazeRocks55 20:06, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Murph, Super Guy. answer this question when you get back and I'll give you a new scheduleBlazeRocks55 20:17, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Gang, Sorry i missed earlier I was not aware we were meeting at that time. Anyway, Here is what I propose.


 * All 42 playable characters (Counting Flicky, not counting SatBK counterparts or super forms).
 * 20 more Game Characters
 * 10 Archie characters
 * 10 STC Characters
 * 10 SatAM characters
 * 9 Underground Characters
 * 10 Sonic X Characters
 * 10 aosth Characters
 * 7 Sega All-stars

Sonictoast 20:34, June 9, 2010 (UTC) To make it easy on you guys, the 42 playable characters in the series are (in no particular order):
 * 1) Sonic
 * 2) Tails
 * 3) Robotnik/Eggman
 * 4) Knuckles
 * Amy
 * 1) Metal Sonic
 * 2) Flicky
 * 3) Nack/Fang
 * 4) Cream
 * 5) Emerl
 * Big
 * 1) Shadow
 * 2) Rouge
 * 3) Omega
 * 4) Gamma
 * 5) Bark
 * 6) Bean
 * 7) Tails Doll
 * 8) EggRobo
 * 9) Chao (Playable in Sonic Shuffle and SA2/SA2Battle as ChaoWalker)
 * 10) Dark Chao (playable as Dark ChaoWalker in SA2Battle)
 * 11) Metal Knuckles
 * 12) Blaze
 * 13) Silver
 * Ray
 * 1) Heavy
 * 2) Bomb
 * 3) Mighty
 * 4) Espio
 * 5) Charmy
 * 6) Vector
 * Jet
 * 1) Storm
 * 2) Wave
 * 3) E-1000G
 * 4) E-1000R
 * 5) SCR-GP
 * 6) SCR-HD
 * 7) Black Knight
 * 8) Tikal
 * 9) Chaos
 * 10) Shade.

Dude, why Sonic the Comic? I never it before. How about some Mario characters? Super Guy 100 =)

I've never read Sonic the Comic either, but we should make this tournament apply to all Sonic Fans, even the UK ones. Maybe we can cut the StC characters down to like 5 or 6.

I was under the impression that Mario characters would not be a part of this. I suppose that is something we can discuss here. Sonictoast 20:39, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Spaghetti and Meat Balls
Let's get this moving already. Sonictoast 15:05, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, since not one else is doing anything, I'm taking action.

I'm going to but boxes of characters from different sonic categories. I you want that character in the tournament, put "yes" next to them under your column. If you don't, put "no". Everyone get's 10 "yes" answers. In the event of a tie, it will go in favor of the character, unless there is more than has been designated for that category, if still too many, whichever comes first in the alphabet gets the spot.

Update: I've gone through and bolded those who have 3 votes so far, that means they will for sure be in the tournament.Sonictoast 23:33, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Update We are making good progress. Once all these characters are chosen, there will still be one spot left for a wild card, a character that we all agree should be in the tournament, but for some reason was left out of the voting or something. Let's have all votes in by midnight tonight eastern time: (11 Central, 10 Mountain, 9 Pacific, 5 UTC). Then tomorrow we will decide our wild card and be done with the list finally.

Update Now that all the votes are in, we have a lot of ties. I can simply use the random number generator to pick which characters get the spots or we can vote on them. I would rather use the generator and finally be done picking characters and get on to the tournament. Does anyone else have a preference?Sonictoast 15:43, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Here are the 24 characters who all tied in their categories. How it would work is I assign them all a number, 1-24 and the first 11 to be chosen by the random generator get to be in the tournament. Or we can just vote on them, 11 'yes' votes each. Sonictoast 15:58, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

I punched them into the random number generator. I will underline the ones that came up. If your cool with those picks, say so. If not, say something. Sonictoast 18:58, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Update I tallied up all the characters and all the ones that were split 2 yes and 2 no I added into the random generator and Froggy was the one who missed out on the tournament which means Tekno, Vanilla, Caterkiller, Crabmeat, and Gemerl are saved. BlazeRocks55 23:13, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

final vote (11) Sonic X (10)
 * sonictoast - ST
 * Murphyshane - MS
 * Super Guy 100 - SG
 * BlazeRocks55 - BR

Adventures of StH (10)

SatAM (10)

Archie comics (10)

Sonic Underground (8)-you get 8 "yes" votes

Non-playable Game characters (20) you get 20 "yes" votes

Sonic the Comic (6)-you get 6 "yes" votes -If you don't know who someone is, click on their link and read about them. -I don't know much about StC, if you do know about it and know an important character I missed, please add them.

Other (4)-you get 4 "yes" votes

-These are characters from the movie, Night of the werehog and scrapped game characters.

In Addition, we have 7 SEGA All-Stars on board:


 * Aiai
 * Amigo
 * Alex Kidd
 * Beat
 * Billy Hatcher
 * NiGHTS
 * Ulala

If there is any objections to these seven voice your opinions now. Sonictoast 16:38, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Wild Card Nominations
Wild Card

Choose 1 except yours you nominated

I Nominate Orbinaut.

Why: 1. He is one of the most reoccurring badniks. 2. He has been around since 1991.

Sorry I haven't been here I've been terribly sick I say the wild card let's let everyone decide but I'd go with Banjo mix in a non Mario, SEGA OR Sonic characterBlazeRocks55 17:23, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

For real, I nominate Ella.

Why? 1. She's funny, fat, farty, Eggman loves her and she is a terribly racist stereotype of a Hispanic house maid.Sonictoast 22:09, June 17, 2010 (UTC)



Anyone else gonna nominate someone? Murph? Superguy? I'm only allowed to vote for Banjo right now, and though Banjo is a good choice, I'd rather have a variety of candidates to choose from.Sonictoast 06:37, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah guys (I already let Murph know he can nominate someone)BlazeRocks55 11:24, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

At this rate we can nominate 2 characters I sayBlazeRocks55 11:31, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I nominate Banjo. No Specific Reasons. Super Guy 100 =)
 * Banjo is already nominated. You vote for him. I'm voting for Banjo too in hopes that we can move on. Sonictoast 14:25, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I'm tired of waiting around. Looks like Banjo Wins! Roster finally complete!Sonictoast 04:31, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Why doesn't anybody like Ella?Sonictoast 16:37, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Becuase Ella Chris Danny ect ect ruined Sonic X the new humans ruined Sonic XBlazeRocks55 19:44, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Youtube
If anyone has a YouTube account we could post something on Youtube to get everyone's attention about thisBlazeRocks55 23:29, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well done Blazerocks55. That is an excellent idea. I have a very prominent youtube account with over 6000 subscribers and yes a majority of them are Sonic fans. Once we have the dates set for the tournament I'll put up a video advertising it.

We also gotta get some other things moving. We gotta set the match ups. I was thinking the number generator could be used for that. We should see if we can get a link to the tournament put up on the SNN homepage. It would be great if we could get something about it on the Sonic Stadium, that would bring in a lot of voters. We should make banners for it that will link to the tournament. We need to set dates, we need to figure out how many matches we will have each day. We also need to make the bracket. We are all going to need to be very active if we are going to do this right. No 1 of us can do it alone, we'll have to work together. It would be good if we can also recruit more users, so there won't be so much lying on the shoulders of the four of us.Sonictoast 06:34, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

We don't even know about the wild card yet?!BlazeRocks55 11:27, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

How about SSM or 58 to help or Admiral he would do great making banners and stuff?BlazeRocks55 11:25, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, Admiral's banners seem so robotic. This should be appealing. Sonictoast 15:05, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I think i already subscribed to you, toast. Look for Homsar386 (don't ask about why i have that username; i like homestar runner.) Multiverseman 15:13, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Responsibilities
We should start figuring out who does what. Does anybody know how to make a tournament bracket on wikia? Sonictoast 07:28, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yep it might me done in about two days maybe but we need to find out who plays whoBlazeRocks55 11:21, June 19, 2010 (UTC) Uhhh, what? Super Guy 100 =)

Alright, i think we should use the random number generator to decide who plays who. They can have their numbers in the box at the top. Sound good? Sonictoast 16:40, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

I say to the one across the ends of there line like this Sonic v. Omochao Emerl v. Julie-Su Dark Chao v. Molly Dark Oak v. Shahra

because what would happen if it was Sonic v. Tails Knuckles v. Amy some of the more popular ones could be eliminated in the first round get it?BlazeRocks55 19:40, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Use a seeding system. Put the top 8 or so from the table into different brackets and assign all the others randomly. Also, for random number generators, I recommend RANDOM.ORG. -- Supermorff 19:52, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * We've been using random.org and thanks for the help we'll think about the ideaBlazeRocks55 21:24, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Blazerocks, I like your idea, but I would rather use the random generator. Simply because by your system the SatAM characters are matched up with other SatAm characters (Antoine vs Snively, Sally vs rotor). most all the Sonic X characters are against the Sonic Underground characters. It seems a bit boring if there are ten Sonic X characters vs 10 Sonic Underground characters. I'd like it to be a little more mixed up, that's why I would prefer we use the random number generator, but also using Morff's idea of assigning the first 8 characters to seperate brackets. Sonictoast 04:30, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, I totally didn't see that link you had to random.org. Great minds think alike I guess. Anyway, in case anyone will find it useful, I've drawn up a proforma tournament diagram at Template:Tournament. It doesn't have any names in yet, but it's a full 128 size. Feel free to change or edit as you like, and ask me if you want help. -- Supermorff 19:15, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, Morff, that looks excellent. Can you put Pictures in that or only text? Either way I love it, seems perfect for this. Sonictoast 00:09, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

So I don't have to do the tournament bracket?BlazeRocks55 11:34, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Morff made a really nice template. You could copy paste it into the tournament page and put all the names in. Sonictoast 16:26, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * All rightBlazeRocks55 17:33, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * All right you use the random generator tell me the matchups and I'll get to workBlazeRocks55 17:34, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

sounds good. Sonictoast 18:04, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Look! You can even put pictures in! This is awesome! Though I don't know why they have those { – }} around them. Sonictoast 16:43, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * The text and formatting goes at the end of each line. I've fixed it. -- Supermorff 18:25, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I know I'm not part of the group, but I vote yes for the Tails Doll to move up! Multiverseman 19:25, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * When the actual tournament begins, you can vote for Tails Doll.Sonictoast 16:26, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Match ups
These are chosen by a random number generator except for the top 8 characters who are purposely equally spread out from each other. Also, I switched spots between Shade and Silver because I assume Silver is a more popular character.


 * 1) Amy Rose vs Black Knight
 * 2) Emerl vs Antoine D'Coolette
 * 3) Snively Robotnik vs Momma Robotnik
 * 4) Cream vs Johnny Lightfoot
 * 5) Athair the Echidna vs Mephiles the Dark
 * 6) Manic the Hedgehog vs Erazor Djinn
 * 7) Caterkiller vs Hero Chao
 * 8) Topaz vs Tekno the Canary
 * 9) Knuckles vs Void
 * 10) Crabmeat vs EggRobo
 * 11) Metal Sonic 3.0 vs Sonia the Hedgehog
 * 12) Mammoth Mogul vs Blaze
 * 13) Bokkun vs E-100 Alpha (Zero)
 * 14) Chris Thorndyke vs Ray the Flying Squirrel
 * 15) E-10000R vs Monkey Khan
 * 16) Tails Doll vs Bartleby
 * 17) Dr. Robotnik vs Katella
 * 18) Doctor Finitevus vs Ulala
 * 19) Pir'Oth Ix vs Wes Weasely
 * 20) Aiai vs Chao
 * 21) Rob O' the Hedge vs Bark the Polarbear
 * 22) Eggman Nega vs SWATbots
 * 23) Tikal the Echidna vs Marine the Raccoon
 * 24) Chomps vs Coconuts
 * 25) Shadow the Hedgehog vs Cluck
 * 26) Beat vs Chuck Thorndyke
 * 27) Espio the Chameleon vs Oracle of Delphius
 * 28) Dark Chao vs Bomb
 * 29) Chaos vs Molly
 * 30) SCR-GP vs Uncle Chuck
 * 31) Old Man Owl vs E-102 Gamma
 * 32) Fiona Fox vs Big the Cat
 * 33) Sonic the Hedgehog vs Cheese the Chao (poor Cheese)
 * 34) E-123 Omega vs Mighty the Armadillo
 * 35) King Boom Boo vs Storm the Albatross
 * 36) Vector the Crocodile vs Jet the Hawk
 * 37) Ebony the Cat vs Grounder
 * 38) Rouge the Bat vs Rotor Walrus
 * 39) Robotnik Jr. vs Chip
 * 40) Scourge the Hedgehog vs Amigo
 * 41) Metal Sonic vs Billy Hatcher
 * 42) G.U.N. Commander vs Shahra the Ring Genie
 * 43) Cosmo the Seedrian vs Scratch
 * 44) SCR-HD vs Shade the Echidna
 * 45) Maria Robotnik vs Bean the Dynamite
 * 46) Zonic the Zone Cop vs Gemerl
 * 47) Vanilla the Rabbit vs Mecha Sonic
 * 48) Wave the Swallow vs Porker Lewis
 * 49) Miles "Tails" Prower vs Shortfuse the Cybernik
 * 50) Merlina the Sorceress vs Metal Knuckles
 * 51) Alex Kidd vs Omochao
 * 52) Enerjak vs Doctor Zachary
 * 53) Dark Oak vs Wallace A. Ditso
 * 54) Heavy vs NiGHTS
 * 55) Mr. Tanaka vs Charmy Bee
 * 56) Ixis Naugus vs Decoe
 * 57) Silver the Hedgehog vs Sara
 * 58) Bocoe vs Muttski
 * 59) Bert Whoo vs Flicky
 * 60) Black Doom vs NICOLE
 * 61) Banjo-Kazooie vs Sally Acorn
 * 62) Fang the Sniper vs Julie-Su
 * 63) Tiara Boobowski vs Bunnie Rabbot-D'Coolette
 * 64) Professor Von Schlemmer vs E-10000G

I think the top eight characters should be randomly ordered, but only amongst themselves. The way it is now, we've guaranteed that Sonic cannot fight Tails in the final (for example), because their battle (if they got that far) would be in round 4. Sonic can stay in number one place though, that's fine. -- Supermorff 20:04, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Excellent point. I went ahead and randomized those with Random.org and am now proceeding in the match ups. Sonictoast 21:46, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

few, finally finished, that took a lot longer than I thought it would. Sonictoast 22:54, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

OK the tournament won't save somebody else do it pleaseBlazeRocks55 13:26, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

OK I fixed it but there's one problem the final matchup well see for yourself Template:Tournament I don't know how to do pictures so if someone else could do that BlazeRocks55 18:20, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * yipe, That's only the template, you were supposed to copy paste it somewhere else. no worries, I'll see if I can fix it.Sonictoast 18:34, June 22, 2010 (UTC) 34 made me laugh. Mighty vs Omega? HA! IT'S NO COMPARISON! MIGHTY WINS! Super Guy 100 =)

ATTENTION! No more editing on the template. go here Forum:Sonic Tournament bracket. Sonictoast 18:47, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I got edit conflicted and confused. I'm fixing it now. -- Supermorff 19:12, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * holy Toast, no Morff, yours was perfect, I just now saw your edits and they were perfect, i was just getting annoyed because everyone was making it look so weird, that's why I made a forum, so to keep the original intact, but with what you did with putting the characters in looks perfect. We should keep what you did and I should delete the forum. Sonictoast 19:31, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Morff, If it is okay with you, I think you should be in charge of the bracket. You obviously know what you are doing, and no one else, should be allowed to touch it without your consent. What say you?Sonictoast 19:34, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't delete the forum, but yeah I guess I could be in charge if you want. -- Supermorff 19:39, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed, I think that would be best, rather than having 4 people editing it left and right. Sonictoast 19:50, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Dangit. The tournament bracket is too large to transclude like a normal template. Guess we will have to just copy and paste after all. -- Supermorff 19:55, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sonictoast, I'm done editing Template:Tournament for a while. If you like, why don't you go through adding all the pictures you like? -- Supermorff 20:02, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was just going to ask you if I could do exactly that. Thanks. Sonictoast 21:31, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Hooray!!! I finally finished putting all 128 pictures in. They are all background-less, mostly all full body shots (except a few characters that I couldn't find full body shots of to save my life). Take a look, Template:Tournament, I think you'll all like it. Sonictoast 05:42, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Fun stats about our 128 characters:
 * we have 50 Bad guys
 * we have 30 Robots
 * we have 28 females
 * we have 19 humans (20 if you count NiGHTS, is NiGHTS human?)
 * we have 14 Hedgehogs
 * we have 11 Birds
 * we have 10 Echidnas
 * we have 5 Chao

Sonictoast 06:19, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

The only thing left is advertisingBlazeRocks55 14:29, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Look at this: http://sonictournament.com

Just a little something I threw togetherBlazeRocks55 19:57, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sonictoast, that template now looks amazing!
 * BlazeRocks, I'm afraid there's still more to do before we advertise full out, although the website looks pretty cool (you might want to link the characters back to this wiki, though). We need to sort out places for people to go for each of the match-ups. I suggest, in the first round matches, that we do four at a time (that is 8 characters at a time) and that we open voting for either 1 or 2 weeks.
 * A blog format would be good for the matches, but I don't want to affiliate the tournament with any one person, so I think it would be better in forums. We could put them in 'Sonic News Network:' namespace, though, if we sort it out suitably.
 * Each period of voting will need an introductory paragraph and a poll, plus some pictures. Not sure whether to put the tournament bracket in every page, or maintain a central page with 'Round 1', 'Round 2', 'Round 3', of the tournament bracket appearing multiple times.
 * Also, Sonictoast, NiGHTS is a Nightmaren, not a human. FYI. -- Supermorff 20:13, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just felt like making a site and I thought of this I wasn't going to show it off unless you want me toBlazeRocks55 22:24, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I've written up the sort of thing I had in mind for the weekly match-ups. Have a look at User:Supermorff/Week 1. Feel free to tweak and improve. We can move it to a more appropriate location when we're ready to start. -- Supermorff 13:00, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Morff that's amazing! I just tweaked it a bit. Now we need to advertise about it. Again we need to work on a youtube video. Who's doing that again?BlazeRocks55 14:08, June 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Jeez, I can't believe I wrote that Cream flew by flapping her "wings". Well spotted there, BlazeRocks55! Outstanding jobs:
 * Decide where we want to put this (forums/projectspace)
 * Decide when the tournament is actually going to start
 * Advertise! We need to drum up support, both on this site and elsewhere.
 * I think we're looking good. -- Supermorff 15:09, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

We should know I do a bad job at advertising. That's all I'm going to say. And Morff, thanks for helping us. Super Guy 100 =)


 * This is where I need some input from you guys: Where should we hold the tournament, forums or projectspace (namespace "Sonic News Network")? Projectspace would probably be better, or in any case more permanent, but it would also take more effort to arrange as we'd have to run it by some other admins first. For forums we could get it set up right now. -- Supermorff 12:33, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do projectspaceBlazeRocks55 13:56, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi gang, I gotta apologize, I have had very limited internet access over the last week, I lost my job and have been busy trying to find a new one. Anyway, Morff, the write ups for the match ups look awesome. I do think being able to vote 4 at a time would be good, otherwise this will take a long long time. Also, Blazerocks, your website looks very cool, thanks for using my collage. I agree that projectspace would be better, I'm an admin and I give my support. As for advertising, I will do a youtube video, but we need to figure out dates and location of the tournament, so I can include them on the video. Also, does anyone have any connections to "the Sonic Stadium" because that is like the best Sonic News Site in existence, if we could get them to do an article on out tournament, it would be sure to bring in a lot of traffic. Sonictoast 14:29, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Me again. I think having the bracket on its own separate page would be best, we can update it with every match and provide a link to it on the main battle page. It just seems too big and takes too long to load to include it on other pages. Also, Morff, I also really like that there is a comments section for the match ups, great idea. Sonictoast 14:40, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to hear you lost your job, Sonictoast. I hope you manage to find a new one soon.
 * My current thinking is that we have a central Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament page, with the bracket, updated as we go. We also have pages for each round, to maintain old versions of the bracket, at Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament/Round 1 etc. Then we have more pages for each week of voting, at Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament/Week 1, etc. This will amount to a huge number of pages, I realise, but I don't think it'll be a problem.
 * I'm also thinking four matches per week for the first four rounds, two matches per week in the quarter- and semi-finals, then (obviously) one match in the week for final. This will be a total| of 34 weeks - two thirds of a year! And we will have to update it every week.
 * I hope everyone appreciates the scale of what we're undertaking here. -- Supermorff 16:16, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

i don't know, 34 weeks is a really long time. What if we could cut it in half. 17 Weeks. Start with 8 matches a week, 4 in the quarter etc. etc.Sonictoast 21:59, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * You can't reduced it to 17 but you can reduce it to 18 by having 8 matches in each of the first four rounds, then 4, 2, 1 and in the final stages. I did consider it, but honestly I think 8 is a lot per week - the voting pages will be quite long and people may not focus on each match. (Either that or we strip out everything in the page so that we only keep the polls, which is far less interesting.) Also, in 18 weeks I will be in the middle of my final exams and will probably be avoiding SNN like... something that will distract me from exams... so somebody else will have to deal with the tournament then. If somebody is willing to do that, then fine. -- Supermorff 22:09, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I fold. 34 weeks sounds great. On a separate note, I'm going out of town until mid-next week. Sorry, I haven't been helping much lately, life is just hectic for me right now.Sonictoast 01:44, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

It's all right I'll get to work on this Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament BlazeRocks55 11:17, July 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I asked a few admins about this. Kagimizu gave his support and the others didn't seem to care either way, so I say go ahead with it. If you need help making the page, let me know. Hopefully we can get started pretty soon. -- Supermorff 10:54, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just thinking here, but if we wanted to make the tournametn a bit shorter, we could have each set of voting up for a day instead of a week. It would mean more regular editing, and we'd probably need a buffer ahead of time, but it would probably be more manageable in the long run. Anyone have any opinions about that? -- Supermorff 10:58, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

A Day seems kind of short, I don't know if we would get a very big response. And as far as the daily updates, I don't think I'd be able to keep up myself with my current schedule. Sonictoast 18:04, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, okay, we'll stick to a week then. How are things going, anyway? -- Supermorff 19:05, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Things are alright. Since I don't have a job, I took this last week to make a video for the SEGA's Sonic's 19th B-day contest. I think I did pretty good, but last night I saw T-bird's (from the Sonic Stadium) video and it was pretty amazing. But I think I may have a fighting chance for the win. Come Monday, it's back to the job hunt. How are things going for you? Sonictoast 19:31, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not bad, thanks, can't complain. Tried to step up the pace on writing the STC articles a bit, because I'd been falling behind. You'll have to send me the link to your video some time. When's the contest?
 * Is BlazeRocks55 around? If not, I might just write up a page without him. -- Supermorff 20:24, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm hereBlazeRocks55 21:05, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, you are here, excellent! I've lost track of what's happening next. Were you writing up a page at Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament? -- Supermorff 21:13, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

I was just copying what you made on that and renaming it but I'm having trouble isn't that what we want to use though?BlazeRocks55 21:53, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah. We'll use that as a central hub and link out to voting on other pages. I was just checking to see how it was coming along. Let me know if you need help. -- Supermorff 22:40, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, we should give it a catchy name, like "Clash of the Mobians" or maybe "World War Sonic" or "Super Smash Hedgehogs Brawl" or "Ultimate Sonic Championship" or "Project Showdown" (get it? Like Project Shadow.) Or we could just stick with "Sonic Character Tournament". Sonictoast 22:48, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm gonna say no to "Super Smash Hedgehogs Brawl", and I thik we should probably avoid the word "Mobian" since fans familiar only with the games might not know the term very well. "Ultimate Sonic Championship" is quite good, as is "Project Showdown", although neither of these really convey what the contest is. I think the word "Character" should definitely appear somewhere. "Ultimate Sonic Character Championship"? -- Supermorff 23:18, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I say yes for Morffs ideaBlazeRocks55 19:12, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah and here Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament it's not the same because I couldn't copy the pictures so just do that and advertise let's do thisBlazeRocks55 19:19, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * BlazeRocks, you're not using the Real Text Editor by any chance? That might explain why you're having trouble with the formatting on these things.
 * I've moved the first week to Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament/Week 1 and transcluded it into the main page, but we also need to add the tournament bracket and get a proper title and everything, plus an introduction. So did you decide not to call it the Ultimate Sonic Character Championshi in the end, or are we just having this as a title and call it the longer name on the pages themselves?
 * The most important thing to do now - right now - is decide when we want voting to start. We'll need to know that so we can advertise effectively - which should also start now. I think we can get up and running by next week. Anyone have a preference for days? -- Supermorff 20:19, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it's good news: we've already had some interest! Better not leave them waiting...
 * In fact, I think we're pretty much ready to go, as soon as you guys give the word. And advertise! -- Supermorff 21:20, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'll get started on a youtube video. Voting should start next Monday! What do you guys think? That way we'll have a week to prepare and advertise. By the way, Morff, the Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament page looks pretty amazing. I like the name Ultimate Sonic Character Championship. Maybe I can make a cool banner for it. Sonictoast 04:59, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Whaddayall think?




 * That banner is awesome! We should definitely see if we can get that on the main page of the wiki! Also, BlazeRocks, you could maybe use it on your website. I think next Monday (19 July 2010) is a good idea - if we're agreed we should mention it wherever possible.
 * Sonictoast, has Kagimizu been in touch about your next featured user interview. You could mention the tournament there too maybe? -- Supermorff 09:14, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright and do we have a videoBlazeRocks55 13:08, July 12, 2010 (UTC) The banner looks pretty good. Are we all set? Super Guy 100 =)

Good idea, Morff, I'll be sure to mention it in my interview. I'm working on the video it'll be be done probably by wednesday. But hey, as a shameless plug, you should all check out my entry for the Sonic 19th Birthday contest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3iIsTj-cNY Sonictoast 14:20, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd give you the prize straight away, but for the sake of fairness I did look at some other entries... and yours is still the best. Good luck! I've added the date to the Tournament page. Now we start advertising, I guess. I don't want to put the banner on the front page until probably friday or saturday, just in case people get disappointed that it hasn't already started. -- Supermorff 19:48, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * All right I can't wait for this. It better be popular or else all this work will be for nothingBlazeRocks55 19:51, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Plus on are page there is no where to vote do you want me to fix thatBlazeRocks55 19:55, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * No no, that's intentional, because voting hasn't started yet. We'll add polls next Monday.
 * I've also drawn up a page for the week after next, at User:Supermorff/Week 2. Have a look!
 * Sonictoast, I've just uploaded a new image of Tekno the Canary. It's higher quality but a bit smaller. Think you could remove the background in the next two weeks? Pic is at File:STC103-Tekno.jpg. -- Supermorff 20:43, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Morff, you are beautiful. You have no idea how many hours I spent surfing the net for a full body shot of Tekno that wasn't fan art. and still all I was able to find was that one where the legs are cut off. Anyway, I can totally edit that image and put it in the bracket. I'm working on the youtube video, its not looking bad so far. I think I'll ask T-bird from the Sonic Stadium if they'll do a piece on the tournament, I'm sure that will bring in traffic. Sonictoast 21:27, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

moving on
Sorry, I got tired of having to scroll down so much to edit, so I started this section. Just wanted to say, morff, I am loving the little match up bios you are writing. They are short, sweet and interesting. Sonictoast 21:59, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'm going to need help with some of them, because in some cases I just don't know enough about the characters. Metal Sonic 3.0? What makes him interesting? I know nothing at all about E-10000R. I am quite looking forward to writing up Robotnik vs Katella though! What a first match-up for him! -- Supermorff 22:15, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought that was a match made in heaven... or the other place. Maybe we could just use one of these pictures.

Anyway, here's Tekno Sonictoast 22:53, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

I made this smaller little banner that says it starts monday. Whaddaya guys think? It could maybe go on the front page for early advertising. If the shape is bad, I could change it too. Sonictoast 23:14, July 12, 2010 (UTC)



Fine with meBlazeRocks55 23:03, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Gang, I finished the commercial. I'll show ya'll once it uploads on youtube. Sonictoast 05:10, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Alrighty: thumb|418px|right|Here's the ad I made

holy Toast you guys. The video has been online about 20 minutes and is already up to about 100 views and it's 1 AM! Sonictoast 07:04, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

AwesomeBlazeRocks55 13:45, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh. My. God. That's just... so... awesome. Must go on front page right now... -- Supermorff 18:02, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Alright Gang, things are looking up. The video is getting some positive feedback on youtube, fans are getting excited. Morff, the tournament page is looking great and I love that you put the video on the site's main page, very cool. I sent an email to the Sonic Stadium, telling them all about the tournament with links to it and the video. I also asked them to do a blog or news post about it. If they do, that would bring in a lot of Sonic fans. Toast.

So the date is coming up soon. We have to get ourselves organized and make sure we know who is doing what. One thing for sure, morff is doing an amazing job, but the rest of us can't just rely on him to do all the updates every week. We have to communicate who is doing what and when. Though Morff, you seem to know pretty well what's going on. What responsibilities do you think need to be delegated? Sonictoast 21:49, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Right. Good question. Um... might have to think about that.
 * Right, yes. Jobs are as follows:


 * 1) Write the weekly pages. This can be done ahead of time. It would be good if everyone could chip in. Write a paragraph for one of the upcoming battles (but not from weeks 1 or 2, which have already been done). Put them on my talk page and I'll put them together. Get as big a backlog as possible, to make the other jobs easier. We don't want to have to be doing this the day before a weekly update, no sir.
 * 2) Every week, we need to switch over the voting. If I've written up the weekly pages in my userspace, they will need to be moved into projectspace. Then, a single edit on the main tournament page will a) update the tournament bracket with the winners, and b) change the transclusion on the main tournament page to point to the new week. I can do this for the first few weeks, but someone else will have to take over when I become unavailable, so it's best if they pay attention to what I'm doing.
 * 3) At the same time, a slightly harder job - at the end of each week, we need to close the polls. This is quite difficult, as there is no mechanism for this in wiki software. My plan is to take snapshots of the polls as at the end of the week and then upload them as pictures. Brief descriptions of the results - congrats to the winner, commisserations to the loser, comments on the score, etc. - should be added to the weekly page. These will need to be written really quickly on the day the polls close. Possibly we could have some templates done ahead of time, particularly if it looks like a clear win, but we can't count on this. As above, I can do the first few weeks, but somebody will need to take over from me when I can't do it.
 * 4) We can't let up on advertising. Every week, we need to put out a list of the current contestants. BlazeRocks, your site would be good for this. On this wiki, I'm thinking we should use the Community Corner. I'll try to figure out how that works before Monday.
 * From this, I think what I'm saying is, I'm willing to do most of the work this week. If nothing else, it will help me work out the best way to do things so we have a formula for going forward. But people should pay attention to the changes, and people need to start writing the battles, because that job is way too big for me on my own, particularly since I don't know who all of the characters are. -- Supermorff 22:23, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, thanks morff, that definately puts a lot of this into perspective. I'm going to do the write ups for week three. Anyone know if Murphy Shane dropped out of this or what, haven't heard from him in a while. Sonictoast 22:46, July 14, 2010 (UTC) IDK I'll ask him tomorrowBlazeRocks55 01:45, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Right, guys, Sonictoast has written up some great summaries for week 3, which I've put up at User:Supermorff/Week 3. If anyone else wants to contribute even a single battle summary it'll help. The list of battles still to write are at User:Supermorff/Battles. Please please please chip in however you can. -- Supermorff 20:40, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

It's all looking very good, Morff. That was a really good move doing the User:Supermorff/Battles page, because it makes the task a whole lot less intimidating. In case you all were wondering, my video did not make the top ten for the Sonic Birthday contest :( Sonictoast 22:31, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. I actually tried checking yesterday, but everytime I clicked on the link (or typed in the address manually), it kept redirecting me to the UK mirror site, which has a completely different contest. More bizarre was the link at the bottom of the UK mirror site that said 'For the top ten videos in the US, follow this link', which I did, and which redirected me back to the exact same page on the UK site. -- Supermorff 14:08, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I know, it was exactly the same for the US entries. The link to the UK page would just open another tab of the same US page. kinda lame. Someone at Sega's gotta get their act together.Sonictoast 14:31, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Um I'm not good at making summariesBlazeRocks55 16:01, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

How bout this for summaries. Sonic, fast. Shadow, immortal. Knuckles, strong. I think i'd be able to do it -- Murphyshane Don't click here 17:05, July 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're so silly Murphyshane. Good to have you back, but still, you're so silly.Sonictoast 17:16, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

So two people have to write 127 battle summaries and results? Fantastic. BlazeRocks55 and Murphyshane, your job is now to find people on this wiki capable of writing battle summaries and recruit them. Go. -- Supermorff 17:49, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Tomorrow
Tomorrow is the big day. Can anyone think of anything last minute that we need to take care of? Sonictoast 18:17, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not really. I'm a tiny bit concerned that by leaving the weekly pages open for comments we're left open to vandals, and if they mess around with the polls that could jeopardise the voting. There are ways around it, but too much effort at this point. See if something goes wrong first, I guess.
 * Jobs for tomorrow morning: add the polls, announce on the page that voting is open, change the Community Corner thing to announce it as well. It'll be harder next week when we have results to deal with as well. -- Supermorff 18:31, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Got itBlazeRocks55 19:01, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * This isn't for you unless you can write battle summaries please do it on the Tournament Page in the comments sectionBlazeRocks55 19:09, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * This isn't for you unless you can write battle summaries please do it on the Tournament Page in the comments sectionBlazeRocks55 19:09, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * This isn't for you unless you can write battle summaries please do it on the Tournament Page in the comments sectionBlazeRocks55 19:09, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

No, don't do it there, do it at User:Supermorff/Battles. -- Supermorff 19:28, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

I meant post your opinions on the comments section not the battle summariesBlazeRocks55 20:03, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, sorry. I misunderstood. -- Supermorff 20:38, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

what if we made the comments section an actual part of the Tournament page instead of the Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament/Week 1 page (which will be locked), then at the end of the week we move the comments to the week 1 page, so it is clean for the upcoming week.Sonictoast 23:07, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've actually put the comments section into a separate forum, Forum:Character Tournament Week 1, which is transcluded into the page. That should solve it. Plus, if someone more knowledgeable about forums than me can put it on a forum index, it might help encourage more people to participate. I was wondering whether I should transclude the weekly page into the forum, so people can vote there directly?
 * First round of voting is now up! Go vote! -- Supermorff 06:18, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Morff, can you put a link to the tournament page on the wiki's front page? Maybe above or under the video, I think the tournament itself is a little hard to find. Sonictoast 14:51, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'll do that later today when I have more time. I'm actually considering taking the video down unless you're really keen for it to stay. It seems more like a 'coming up' video than a 'now on' video, but maybe that's just me. If I take it down, I'll put up your banner in its place - you can actually link pictures, unlike videos, which is a big plus. If you want the video to stay, then we'll need something different, something that's a bit narrower than the banner we've got at the moment. Something with proportions more along the lines of Template:Archie and all those sort of banner templates (long & thin).
 * Will also probably put something up on the Community Portal, if I remember. -- Supermorff 15:27, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I say put up the banner with a link below itBlazeRocks55 15:30, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with taking down the video. Sonictoast 16:52, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Voter outcome
Only one day in and already over a hundred voters. I'm very pleased with this outcome, imagine how many votes there will be at the end of the week. Heck, the Shroom only has like 250 voters. we are doing good friends, we are doing good. Sonictoast 00:54, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sweet. I was hoping for this many in the whole week. But we can't let up. We don't want it to drop away in future weeks. Any luck with those other websites? Sonictoast, have you left a comment on your YouTube vid saying that voting is open? -- Supermorff 10:50, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Close enough, I changed the description to say that voting is now open. I also left a comment the night before saying "voting starts tomorrow".  I have not heard back from Sonic Stadium, which makes me think they are not interested, though they may just be busy planning Summer of Sonic right now. Maybe next week, I can make an updated video. Sonictoast 18:14, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Bravo to Morff on an excellent transition from week 1 to week 2. And Bravo to everyone for a very successful first week. I'd like to propose an idea. What if we put the results in the bracket itself, for example:

I completely copied this idea from the Shroom, so my feelings won't be hurt if no one else wants to do it, but I just think it would be an easy way to keep record of the results and would make the bracket a tad more interesting as the tourney progresses. What does everyone else think? Sonictoast 15:13, July 26, 2010 (UTC)