Talk:Sonic News Network

Trivia Pages
ok, heres a strange idea that i've come up with. i've seen a few users who have rants about the characters' trivia getting erased. and we tell them to stop, because we dont need the trivia filling up the whole character page, right? well why don't we make a seperate page for each characters' trivia (exept with the characters who dont have much trivia to begin with)? we just leave some trivia on the character's page, then give a link to the trivia page to see more. any agreements or objections? Midnight Wolf  Don't be hatin'!  23:58, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

That might be a bit of a problem, because we would have to create a bigger list of links on Mainspace, and I don't think that there is really too much trivia to begin with. I think that the Articles should stay as they are because the amount of trivia that each article has isn't too great.... Genesjs 00:01, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

well, even before i signed up here, there was tons of unique trivia, but it did take up the whole page. i'm just saying, lets let the others decide Midnight Wolf  Don't be hatin'!  00:04, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

I hardly gave your idea any thought when I first saw it (Because I was in a hurry to write an opinion down, and I was trying to see if what problems might arise if we made seperate pages. I'm sorry I didn't think about your idea long enough to see it's benefits the first time....-_-'), so I thought about your idea some more, and I think that creating seperate pages for each characters' trivia might actually be a good idea, because it would actually be easier to keep track and manage the information placed in each characters' trivia. If seperate pages for characters' trivia are created, it would allow the characters' normal pages to have more free space, so more non-trivial information about the characters can be written in them. This would allow both users and visiters can have access to additional information about the characters they wish to view on the Wiki. I am going to say "yes" to your suggestion, Sunny. Genesjs 02:19, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Chaos from Sonic Adventure in Sonic X-treme?!
Ok I found some cool info here it is-

for more info look at http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_X-treme_storylines

Chaos & the DoomVirus

For thousands of years the "ChaosDoom," or Element Legion lay trapped, suspended in a state of lonely silence within the Master Chaos Emerald, watching seasons in the outside worlds come and go, generations birth and die.

Dr. Ivo Robotnik, convinced there was some ultimate power within, succeeded in breaking the Emerald, providing a long-awaited exit for the ChaosDoom. No longer trapped, they waste no time in spreading their evil throughout Mobius and its surrounding dimensions.

Initially (and in this game) though, all that takes affect is the DoomVirus, the poisonous atmosphere suitable only for the ChaosDoom. Any living creature coming in contact with the atmospheric rays of the broken Master Emerald fall into sickness, and eventually wither sway- Unless the Cure is found in time.

Robots and creatures made of Metal, Stone or Wood are controlled by and serve as initial hosts for the ChaosDoom. Even Robotnik's Boss Robots do their bidding. All of these machines are bent on destroying Sonic, for he alone poses a threat to ChaosDoom.

ChaosDoom's main problem is that in order to fully escape the clutches of the Master Chaos Emerald, they need TIME. Not a subscription to the magazine, but maybe a year to fully develop outside of their "egg."

To the ChaosDoom, the longer Sonic can be delayed or even eliminated the more time they have to develop. Protecting the Acts with robots and the Cure Items with big, huge and nasty Bosses will hopefully accomplish this.--S_U_F 19:05, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Upcoming Products
Can somebaody update are Upcoming Products Comic list now cause you're only showing Comics 203#-206# and Universe #7-#9. So now i think it should show Sonic the Hedgehog issues 207#-209# & Sonic Universe 10#-13# asits Upcoming Comics of Now.

Rob O' the Hedge's Age?
Does anybody know how old Rob is? SEGA Fan BOSS 11:16, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

I dunno, this would be better suited on his talk page.  Myself 123  22:08, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Christmas pic
I think it would look better if it was centred. Just running it by before I changed it.  Myself 123  22:11, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

GACF checking in 12/12/09
Hey guys. I haven't been here in a while. It wouldn't let me log in for some reason. Oh well. Hey, guess what. In about three or four years, you guys might have some competition. I just recently upgraded to a full wiki site. It's called "Galactic Alliance Classified Files: The Federation Encyclopedia". I finally figured out how to upgrade to a separate wiki. Scratchpad seemed a little amateur-ish after almost a whole year. I'm trying to transfer everything from my scratchpad wiki to the federation encyclopedia. Last night I transferred three articles and I'm getting on now to do some more as well. Check it out sometime at federationencyclopedia.wikia.com. Hellspawn Shadow is the featured image at the home page as of now. The image is given credit to Fission07 on Deviant Art. I'd like to see you there. Most of it, believe it or not, is about Sonic the Hedgehog, if you don't already know. C-Dawg Pound 20:49, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

User safety
Due to a sudden increase of vandals occuring on this Wiki, I have begun to question whether or not some jerk on the web is leading all of these troublemakers here. One incident of vandalism, in particular, involves one someone vandalising A certain User's User page by changing a comment that User has made into something extremely inappropriate and insulting, and when I saw the edit that jerk has made to this other User's User page, I literally snapped and gave this guy a peice of my mind. So after this incident was taken care of, I have begun to form some theories as to why this User has been attacked by these vandals more than anyone else recently, and I have come up with a theory as to why this has been happening recently. I think that the list of Featured Users that can be accessed in the white box at the very top of the upper left corner of each web page on this Wiki is one of the possible causes. Having a list of Featured Users available to anyone, User or not, could be giving these vandals a list of targets (Users) to attack when they decide to join the SNN. Having Featured User interviews posted the the SNN' home page might have something to do with it to, because all a person would have to do is simply scroll down the page and they will see any interviews of any Users posted there, and the vandals can use them to find out more about that person, so they could be tempted to go attack that person first before they do the other Users. So in other words, I think that the reason that we have had our User pages tampered with a lot by vandals recently is because we are basically putting ourselves up for target practice by posted our Featured User interviews on here and putting a link to a list of Featured Users at the upper left corner (at the very top) of every single web page that we have here, you can see the tag "Featured Users" with an arrow pointing to the right right next to it, you can't really miss it (It's below the search window). Anyway, I can up with a few ideas, but here's one of them: Why don't we move our Featured User's interviews to a more secure location on another page that I, myself, would create, and this Wiki would only be accessible to ong time members of the SNN, or Users from other Wikis that gain our trust, and put all our future Featured User interviews there? That way, no future vandalizers would be able to get information about our Featured Users before they join our Wiki, and they would have trouble picking out what they believe would be a first good target (Users. In other words, us). Making the list of Featured User available to Users only might help too, because the list can be easily accessed from the little white box that has the search window in it (again, it's at the upper left corner of the home page, all the way at the top. It's the white box that stands against the blur background of this Wiki), and having that list available only to Users will make anyone that isn't a User and only wants to join our Wiki to cause us trouble will have that much a harder time figuring out who they should attack first. Doing this might help our protection from vandalizers increase dramatically, if not just a little bit. I know that we can undo any edits that vandals make to our User pages, but I think that everyone would agree with me that we all want to protect our User pages from vandalizers at almost any cost, and I think that doing these things might help protect us, even if it only keep the level of vandals to our User pages to a minimum. Besides, like I just said, the sudden increase in the appearance of vandalizers has me worried... Anyway, that's one of my ideas on what we could do to improve User safety around here (I think, but that's why I wanted to have this dicussion with all of you, so we can figure out something that might work). As I said, I have already thought up a few more ideas, but I want to hear a few your opinions about this issue first, before I suggest them. Anyway, if any of you agree with my idea, then please comment. If not, then could some of you please find some way to take some time out of your schedules and discuss this issue with me and tell me what you think we could, or should do to help improve User safety on here in some other way that might possibly work? Please comment, I really want us to be safe from all the jerks on the web, and I want to find some way to stop those people from vandalizing our User pages too. I'm open to any of your ideas, but please try to think about this issue carefully before you say anything, because I think that this is something serious, and we all need to really think about our ideas and comments before we mention them. Anyway, any comments? Genesjs 02:54, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

you've got a point, but we dont need to create a whole Wiki for it. we just need to make a super secret page (that i guess aint so secret now), that only long time users know about Midnight Wolf  Don't be hatin'!  02:54, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I don't think this would be neccessary. No matter what a vandal does, it can be undone just as easily, and the vandal banned.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 02:56, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, then let me change the "Wiki" thing into a "page" then, because I was more or less talking about something like that anyway ^_^' Genesjs 02:57, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

I think what we really need is to figure out how many new users there are on the Wiki, so each of us can keep an eye one a specific user and see the edits they do. And also, I'd like to point something out: Just yesterday, Another fellow user had his userpage vandalised (he had one of his polls removed) by NNewt84, who has been banned for approx. one week. So, it's not just the admins, beaurecrats and rollbacks being targeted. It's certain users being randomly selected. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 03:12, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Guys, you're making too much out of this. Like I said, absolutely any damage done can be undone in a snap, and the vandal blocked just as easily. Really, what can a vandal do that can't be undone or deleted?--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 03:22, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

I see. Well, then we have to find a way to protect everyones User pages then. What if we all put locks on our User pages? That way, only we can edit them, and no one who isn't an admin or burecrat would be able to edit them; only we could edit our User pages. Genesjs 03:25, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Well, that might not be so perfect. There are a lot of user pages that would have to be locked, and what if a User had to use an IP address for some reason?--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 03:27, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Why would they want to use an IP address? Genesjs 03:28, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Hey, you never know.--Kagi mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 03:36, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

IPs can be of use every now and then, you know. And also, what if we blocked a new user's userpage? Then they couldn't edit it at all! You gotta make a couple edits before you're no longer counted as a new user. In the past week, we've had to ban 3 vandals, and there's probably more on the way! I think Gen is right, some mastermind may be advertising SNN to neanderthals over the web. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 03:45, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, well there are a lot of users that might wanna mess with others. Chaotics Guy, Launchballer, Supremelifeform42; those are just the guys I've probably ticked off! Not to mention iLike. The point is, with every good User or IP that comes along, there are bound to be bad Users and IPs.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 03:52, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

I think I might know where some of these guys are comming from. I remember seeing a comment on a certain video on YouTube. And in this persons comment, he/she mentions "Sonic Wikia". So I think that some of these people are coming from YouTube, or some other places, because i'm pretty sure that there is at least a few million people who hate Sonic, and would go out of their way to vandalize anything relating to Sonic that they might know about, which could include Wikis too. So yeah, it's very well possible that someone might be leading these people here and mentioning to them about us. Genesjs 03:53, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but those same advertizements could be leading good Users here. Look, there's no way for us to completely stop vandalism from happening. The only thing we can do is keep an eye out for it and revert vandalism when we see it. Pure and simple.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 04:00, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but i'm sure that a lot of good Users on here would want to keep vandalism from occuring on their User pages at all. So maybe we should just allow everyone to put locks on their User pages, allow Users to edit them themselves, without the fear of anyone tampering with their work or information. Genesjs 04:04, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

I'd have to advise against locking up everyone's pages. Because only admins/beaurecrats can lock up pages. We can't lock them so that only registered users can edit them, because the last 3 vandals here were registered users! And, of course, we can't only lock them so that admins can edit. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 05:50, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * I have a few comments: first, my name is top of the feature user list on the top-left box and it has not led to my user page being vandalised. Second, if the featured user poll is not on the front page it becomes meaningless - it's to advertise the good work of our users and make the site feel more like a community. For that it needs to be highly visible. Third, if Sunny is being targeted for no reason this month, then the featured user item on the Main Page could well be connected. Fourth, Genesjs, I can protect your user page for you right now if you want, but then you wouldn't be able to edit it. There is no way to allow some users to edit while others cannot. -- Supermorff 20:24, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * In fact, I just agree with Kagimizu. Vandals can't do anything that can't be reverted. You can't protect all pages and you can't block all new users. The only viable measure is to revert vandalism as it occurs and block the offenders as appropriate. -- Supermorff 20:24, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's been quite a while since anyone has discussed this issue so, if there is anything left to talk about, then I'll be open to any new suggestions that anyone might have, because I am oficially starting to run out of ideas.... I will listen to any ideas that you have in mind. Phoenix the Cat 05:18, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Sonic Riders/Zero Grav Canon?
I've heard that most spin-off series aren't official. Is the Sonic Riders series canon to the main series? SEGA Fan BOSS 00:13, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

No, that game is a racing spin-off. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 00:52, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

How is it a spin-off?

Well, Sonic Riders had different gameplay from that of a typical Sonic game. It was just you controlling a character and racing to either the finish line or a certain number of laps. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 03:09, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * It is a spin-off, because of its vastly different gameplay, but I have seen nothing to suggest that it is not also canon. But then, canon is subjective, so it could be argued eitherway. -- Supermorff 17:00, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Right. -- Supermorff 18:23, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Buns>Anti-Bunnie
Since Bunnie's counterpart isn't Anti-bunnie anymore, we should move it to Buns Rabbot, and that's what I did. SEGA Fan BOSS 18:56, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Edit Pages
I don't like the new edit pages. I like how it looks, but it's so hard to make proper edits and respond to talk pages. When I have to go to the bottom, I have to scroll down manually instead of just clicking on where I want to go. Can you guys change it back? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master


 * I have no idea what you mean. My edit pages haven't changed. Check your preferences, because there's probably a way to change back in there. -- Supermorff 14:03, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Comics
Just thought I'd mention, we really need to start writing articles on all the various Sonic comics out there.--Shadow34 21:29, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * That is true. You are welcome to write some yourself. -- Supermorff 21:38, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

I will start some, and the content can be filled in by other users.--Shadow34 01:25, January 21, 2010 (UTC)Shadow34

Phew! That took a while, but I'm completely finished.--Shadow34 00:21, January 22, 2010 (UTC)Shadow34

3,000th article
Have you all noticed that we've reached our 3000th article? Is that noteworthy enough to be put on the main page?--Shadow34 19:23, January 22, 2010 (UTC)Shadow34

Background
Does anyone think we should change the current background to fit the new Sonic Game Project Needlemouse? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

C-Dawg Pound, the new guy
Sup peeps? I'm C-Dawg. I'm new here, so none o' yall know me, but ya know my big bro GACF, right? He's such a fanatic! Since he upgraded to a full, independent Wiki, the Federation Encyclopedia, an archive about ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING, he's gotten some awesome new ideas. He told me to say hi ta yall. He got me an account for my birthday. I have just reached eligible age and I am totally whacked out to me here, man! Hey, have any o' ya ever been to Ohayocon? GACF's got a peep who goes ta that shin-dig every year and, get this, HE MET AND GOT AN AUTOGRAPH FROM LISA ORTIZ!!! GACF is totally goin' next year. Can you believe this guy met Lisa Ortiz without my bro? I know, right? C-Dawg Pound 20:48, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Blaze Rox Character Contest!!!!!!!!
Come and enter the first Blaze Rox Character Contest! For details visit my talk page. To sign up, visit my blog. PLEASE enter! and while your there, you can take my poll! Come on and enter. Spread it around. Tell your friends. ENTER! ENTER! ENTER! Blaze the cat rox 01:14, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Contributions, Quotes...
Something that just bugs me -- whenever I wanna add something bigger to the articles on here, a certain someone complains to me that I should consult everyone else here before doing those changes. Now, one of the contributions in question is a more detailed description of character-roles in the games -- when I edited Sonic's article, aforementioned admin undid one of the longer edits because it was supposedly lengthening the article too much, which I find to be nonsense -- this is a wiki set to collect information about ALL things Sonic. I made a new section on this very talk-page asking whether my lengthy edits, that I put much work in, should be allowed to stay or not. I never ever got confirmation on the subject again.

As you can imagine, that put me off of editing for a while. Now I started something new, adding character-descriptive quotes of themselves or others to the character-articles, which "Kagimizu" sees as too big a change as well. What is up with that and will someone with decision-power at least respond to me this time? Quite frankly, it doesn't make one feel welcome if one is discouraged from adding material. Herman2000 06:55, February 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * All the edits you have described seem fine to me. Reverting your edit on Sonic's page seems like a mistake too, as the correct response would have been to separate extraneous material into a new page, not delete it outright. -- Supermorff 13:07, February 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * So, let me get this straight… if I was to describe the doings of the characters in the stories in more vibrant detail, it would either stay, be discussed and/or moved to a new article of it's own? I mean, that's just how I understand it. As for the quotes, I guess I can take that as a confirmation that I can keep working there… now I just need to grab my sources-bag again and we're good, I suppose. Herman2000 19:13, February 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I cannot say what will happen, just that this is what should happen. But fair warning to you (and anyone else): keep your story detail factual and encyclopedic, particularly regarding interactions between characters. The wiki is not a place to retell the story, only to document the story. -- Supermorff 10:40, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Original Creation
Who created the Sonic News Network?

I can see you are curious about SNN's history, so I will tell you. He who created the SNN was Guess Who I believe.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 02:35, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Kagi.Moon the Hedgehog 00:51, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

I wanted to know to. Thanks.

20:38, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

At the Recent Releases section.
Hey listen guys Sonic & Sega all stars racing will be released in late Feburay this year, and Sonic Classic Collection will be released during March... What i'm trying to say here is can you admins add Sonic & Sega all stars racing, and Sonic Classic Collection to the Recent Releases section of the Home/Start Page of this website? Please!? -- User:Michaeldragon800

Thanks you admins for listening. :) -- User:Michaeldragon800

Sonic Plasma (PLEASE READ)
PLEASE HELP! I need help creating Sonic Plasma on the sonic fanon wiki. Can anyone come over to the other wiki and help? I need more teams, tech people, sprites, and stories! Contact me on either wiki. Blaze the cat rox 19:56, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Non-Sonic Character Articles
Alright, I'm tired of this. It was previously decided that all non-Sonic characters who have appeared in only one game would not get an article here until they appeared in another game. Regardless of this ruling, certain Users have continued to create said articles. Normally, this would constitute a banning of said Users for repeatedly breaking the rules, despite getting continued warnings. ...However, in order to avoid making the same mistakes I feel certain admins on another wiki make, I am not going to ban anyone. Instead, I want to bring this issue up to all of the Users here on the Sonic News Network once again, and let you decide on the matter. As an admin, I am not a leader or law-maker of this wiki. Rather, I am merely one of the people who carry out what the majority of the Users feel needs to be done. Because of this, I want to hear what the Users of this wiki, regardless of postion, past, or reputation have to say on the matter of 1 time Non-Sonic character articles having a place on this wiki, so that I and the other admins may operate this wiki in a way that would be most satisfactory to the greatest amount of people here. I am not going to act on what I merely feel is best for the Users, but rather, I am asking you yourselves feel is best. To the rest of my fellow admins, I am sorry about bringing this up so suddenly, but this an issue that has been around for quite some time now, and I feel needs to be discussed with the Users of this wiki. So, I am asking you all what you think on the matter of having articles for non-Sonic characters, who have appeared in only one Sonic-related game. However, I am going to make this very clear: anyone who creates such an article before this issue is resolved will be banned, and the article will be deleted until a decision is reached. Now, let's get started.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 19:19, March 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * well said Kagi. Here is where I stand. My opinion: non-Sonic characters who are not playable such as King Boo and Dry Bowser and Master Hand should not have their own articles. But I think characters who are playable in Sonic games are entitled to their own articles such as the SEGA guest stars and the Mario characters. I think being playable along side sonic should count for something. And if agreed by users and admins, I will gladly take full responsibility in the construction and upkeep of articles for all the All-Stars Racing characters, Olympic Games characters, Smash Bros. Brawl characters and any other cross over titles Sonic appears in. Sonictoast 19:42, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

@Sonictoast: You're not getting any arguements from me. I agree with you completely. Phoenix the Cat The flames reborn....  19:47, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Well, SSBB characters are a bit of a side-issue here, on account that while Sonic was present in that game, it was not actually a Sonic game. In fact, the game was not even developed by SEGA at all.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 20:01, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Those characters are not a part of this, as they have appeared in more than one game, and already have articles here.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 21:00, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I do see what kagi is saying. I mean a Sonic Wiki really does not need an article for Lucas and Wolf O'Donnel, Maybe just the characters that have direct contact with Sonic, like Solid Snake and tabuu. But the Olympic characters and the All-Stars Racing characters I still believe should get articles. Sonictoast 22:34, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone opposed to Bowser Jr.'s page being restored? Sonictoast 18:44, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Until this issue can be resolved, I'd prefer to keep such articles deleted. If we can reach a deffinate conclusion that is in favor of the articles, then heck, I'll personally restore it if need be.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 18:48, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yes well, I'd like to get the opinion of the wiki on a larger scale. Currently I can count the number of Users involved in this discussion on one hand. That doesn't really reflect the majority opinion of the SNN, now does it?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 18:59, March 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * here's an idea. Let's vote. If you want to allow articles for non-Sonic characters who have only been playable in 1 game, sign your user name under "Yes". If you do not want to allow these articles, sign your name under "no". Let's say first to 10 votes wins? Sound like a plan?Sonictoast 14:59, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

My reason for voting "no" is that even though they have been playable in at least ONE Sonic game, that dosen't make it nessicary to include them on this Wiki. Maybe we could link them to other Wikis, like so --> Mario. But overall, some just aren't related to Sonic at all. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 05:17, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

YES NO
 * 1) Sonictoast 14:59, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) <font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ Yes, but only for characters that have appeared in 2 or more games with Sonic.
 * 3) La la la la la la A New Venture I agree with Kag 2 or more
 * 4) Murphyshane
 * 5) RedsRock1 13:47, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) Milotheechidna at least 2 games and a link to relative wiki
 * 7) Ultimatedude127 2 more games Beat deserves stay
 * 8) <font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  17:05, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) Hikaruyami-having fun* 10:38, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) ShadowGTR 19:36, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1)  Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog Amy to Shelly.png I'm not a monkey! 05:17, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Phoenix the Cat  The flames reborn....  00:20, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  Myself <font color="Black">123  10:11, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) -- BigBoss  58 [[File:Sonicspining.gif]] 16:50, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Sox 4 life  I got SOCKED!...BANG BANG FROM CHICAGO!

Well, this voting thing doesn't seem to be working. Another user started a new Bowser Jr. page today. I don't know how many users, have started a Bowser Jr. page just for it to be taken down. Here is what I now propose, A Character must be playable in at least two games with Sonic to get their own article, with only Bowser Jr. as an exception, so as to complete the roster of Olympic winter Games. Sonictoast 14:20, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

If we did it like that, then there'd still be Mario articles here, because there were two Mario & Sonic games, so that wouldn't change too much. Maybe, say, 4 games? -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 05:21, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've already blocked said User, as they knew full-well what was going on, and the consequences.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 14:03, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

@ Shelly

4 is too many, the only ones I can think of who have 4 playable appearances with Sonic are Aiai and Ulala, and that's if you count SEGA Superstars where they don't even interact with Sonic. With just two characters theree would be no point for the non-sonic character category. Plus if your whole reason is to eliminate the Mario character articles, there is no point. SEGA has said they are going to continue the Mario and Sonic series, so there is going to be another game, thus the Mario characters will then have 4 games with Sonic. Plus we could already say the Mario characters have 5 games with Sonic if you count the DS versions seperately, they are very different Games from their Wii counterparts.Sonictoast 15:05, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

I think Beat should have an article he appeared in 2 games with Sonic.Ultimate Dude 127

So you vote yes?La la la la la la A New Venture 13:12, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think non-sonic characters who've had small or 1 time appearances should have articles. Instead they should just link to wikipedia or their own wiki.  Myself <font color="Black">123  10:11, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

As long as they follow(ed) the trend of 2 or more games, then I say 'Yes' as well. ShadowGTR 19:27, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

OK so what's the official ruling

1.do we have 2 or more interactions with Sonic with the exception of Bowser Jr. (Since everyone keeps posting a Bowser Jr. page)

2. 1 interaction and a link to a relative wiki

3. 2 interactions and a link to a relative wiki

Or otherBlazeRocks55 20:47, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Despite my rather ambivalent feelings towards these articles, it's clear that most people are in favour of keeping all characters that have appeared in 2 or more Sonic games. The case for more than 1 game is hazier, so I do not think that we should go down that route yet, but I would not be adverse to a second vote to determine this. That said, it seems clear that the Bowser Jr article will keep being made despite our rulings. Pragmatically, it may be simpler just to keep it. -- Supermorff 17:07, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Characters with 2 or more appearances with Sonic can get their own article with the exception of Bowser Jr. It Sounds good, but we have to clarify. does a cameo count as an appearance? Like Reala is in Super Stars Tennis with Sonic, and makes cameos in Sonic Shuffle and Sonic Adventure, so does that count as 3 appearances, or do only playable appearances count? Sonictoast 17:38, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

I say 2 playable appearances if it were meBlazeRocks55 20:03, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, playable appearances are the only ones that should count, while cameos should be acknowledged in the article. As for keeping Bowser Jr, I say: "No exceptions". Regardless of how annoying it is, we shouldn't give in. As far as I'm concerned, it should be treated as any other Unused or Not-needed article, maybe even as spam (though that may be too far), and that anyone who creates the article should be told about this conversation and warned not to do it again, so that they will have to acknowledge the rules, and that further actions would be knowingly breaking the rules. When a person does that, it's simple what we do: ban them.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 02:54, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back, Kagi. Honestly, I really do like the Bowser Jr. Article, but I do indeed see your point. The rules are important to follow. Sega has hinted that there will be more Mario and Sonic Games so we can relax, with confidence that someday Bowser Jr. will have a place on this wiki.Sonictoast 05:06, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I hate the idea. Sonictoast 15:59, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Sonictoast, the Mario characters should have their own articles, but only talk about all things Sonic related, like the Brawl page. And it should only be the important ones, and the ones who've been with Sonic a few times.

Example - DK: With Sonic in a Simpsons episode and in the Simpsons Game, Sonic's sneakers cameo'd in DK's 2nd game, with Sonic in Brawl, and was with him in Winter Olympics.

However, I dont like the idea of someone like Baby Bowser getting his own page. Heck I dont even like Waluigi having his own page (only 'cause I dont like Waluigi or think he's important). The Mario Wiki has way more Sonic articles than we have Mario articles, and I think we should keep it that way.

As for other Non-Sonic characters, I think we should keep:
 * NiGHTS
 * Amigo
 * AiAi
 * Billy Hatcher
 * Ulala
 * Alex Kidd
 * Beat (I'm in the process of trickin out this one, just wait and see)

But please dont ban me 'cause of the last one. As of now, Beat and Sonic have appeared in three games together (I think it might be four as I'm not sure if Sonic appears in Jet Set Radio Future). When I'm done with Beat's article, tell me what you think.

 I AM THE LAW! ~ DjWindmaster97  03:30, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well, when (or if) Bowser Jr appears again, then I will personally see to it that the article is restored. Until then, I don't think that Bowser Jr should have an article.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 03:57, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you Kagi but the problem with that is people keep MAKING Bowser Jr. articles we can't stop that so I think just let Bowser Jr. have a pageBlazeRocks55 12:36, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well I disagree Sonictoast. If someone makes a Bowser Jr page, we delete it and explain the rules to them. If they continue to do it, we delete the page and block them. If needed, we should add the results of this discussion to the rules.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 01:55, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * 58, there's nothing wrong with your idea per se, but it is completely in opposition to the decision that has already been made. The majority of users have demonstrated that they are in favour of articles for each character.
 * Kagi, we definitely need to add the results of this discussion to the rules. No question. -- Supermorff 08:41, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Good Morff, because if we do that, people are less likely to make an article for characters like Bowser Jr. If they still do, they don't have any justification.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 04:25, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

YepBlazeRocks55 13:48, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

I Propose 2 new non-Sonic character articles.

1. Sabrina the teenage Witch

why? Sonic was in an issue of her comic. She was in an issue of Sonic's comic. They both appeared in an old Archie Halloween special comic. That's 3 comics together.

2. Kirby

why? aside from Sonic and Kirby both being playable in Brawl. The game Kirby Avalanche is the exact same game as Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine. The graphics are identical, the gameplay is identical. The only difference is the characters. Both games were adapted from the Japanese puyo puyo game, SEGA stuck Robotnik in it while Nintendo stuck Kirby in their own version. 3rd reason, Sonic and Kirby both have cartoons made by 4kids. 4kids has produced specials such as "super Brawl Weekend" were they paired off Sonic and Kirby to fight (this was years before smash bros. brawl). So even though Kirby only has one playable appearance, I feel like we could still make quite a full and very interesting article about his interactions with Sonic. Sonictoast 06:59, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1.) Sabrina the teenage Witch's appearances are only in the comics, strictly non-canon at that. Even Mobius Encyclopaedia has no article on her.
 * 2.) You yourself said it; he has only made one appearance in a video game with Sonic, which can't even count because it was not a Sonic game. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine is similiar to a lot of games, so making an article for Kirby just because the gameplay is the same would open up a whole lotta trouble, and constradicts the previously agreed upon rules. Also, the 4kids battle between Sonic and Kirby is irrelevent to either series of games or even the TV shows themselves.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 14:16, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

I totally see your point and I step down from my proposal. Though I do think that just because something isn't canon doesn't mean it should not be documented. We should cover all things Sonic. Just because Mobius Encyclopedia doesn't have an article doesn't mean we can't. Sonictoast 17:40, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

I can't believe I never came back to tell you this...
Yeah, it's me. S.H. I'm leaving. Yes, I come back here to say "hi" and now I leave. See what I have to say about this on my talk page..

(S.H. 01:06, March 14, 2010 (UTC))

Update the releases.
Can someone please update the upcoming products and the Recent releases list now. After all its April now. -- User:Michaeldragon800


 * Sure. What is missing/inappropriate? -- Supermorff 18:32, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sonic Classic Collection is out now you can change thatBlazeRocks55 18:37, April 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. Anything else? -- Supermorff 19:05, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ask Michaeldragon800 he asked I can't think of anything elseBlazeRocks55 20:42, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Well there is the upcoming Sonic Comics. -- User:Michaeldragon800


 * Specifically? -- Supermorff 17:47, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Can someone please update the recent releases list at the home page. Here's on what it should show. -- User:Michaeldragon800

:July 2010

 * Sonic Universe issue 18#
 * Sonic the Hedgehog issue 215#

:August 2010

 * Sonic Universe issue 19#
 * Sonic the Hedgehog 216#

:September 2010

 * Sonic Universe issue 20#
 * Sonic the Hedgehog 217#

New SEGA pages
We need to make new SEGA character pages here are the ones who have made 2 games

B.D. Joe (SEGA Superstars,SEGA All-Stars Racing)

Akira and Jacky (SEGA Superstars,SEGA All-Stars Racing)

Idea?
You know Mariowiki has a characters tournament called The Shroom maybe we could to something similar to it have a link to the page on the SNN homepage and talk around on who'd be in it and stuff like that do you think we could do it?BlazeRocks55 16:02, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah go to www.mariowiki.com and at the home page it says Issue XXXVII of The 'Shroom has been released! go click that and go to Ultimate Character Tournament and there it is I feel we should do something somewhat like thatBlazeRocks55 16:19, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like a great idea! Super Guy 100 =)

YesBlazeRocks55 16:49, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah they make the real decisionBlazeRocks55 16:56, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the 'Shroom is Mariowiki's magazine, and the character tournament is just in one issue of the magazine. I don't have any particular aversion to a character tournament, but I have no idea whatsoever how to code it the way they have, and would have no real interest in running it myself. -- Supermorff 17:21, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

OK so we have 2 normal users vote yes and 1 Admin says noBlazeRocks55 20:35, April 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Uh... no, that's not what I said. I have no problem with it. But even if you decide to put it on, I have neither the expertise nor the desire to manage it. Someone else will have to. -- Supermorff 21:50, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

OKBlazeRocks55 21:50, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

So if we create this tournament would we use a page without the User:Name Here/Tournament Name or is that illegal?BlazeRocks55 23:07, April 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Putting it in mainspace would not be allowed, but you could put it in userspace or in a forum. If it's successful, you might be able to move it to the Sonic News Network mainspace, but I'd rather you started elsewhere first. -- Supermorff 15:37, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

All right but we need more then 3 opinionsBlazeRocks55 20:10, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

ANYONE?BlazeRocks55 20:11, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

I like the idea. It would be great to get the whole community voting and seeing who the number one favorite character is. Sonic should be excluded because we all know he'd win. I would guess with sonic out, the winner would be one of the more popular characters like Shadow or Wallace A. Ditso. Anyway, I support the idea, I would go so far as to construct photoshopped pictures of the characters fighting for the match ups, but like supermorph, I have no idea how to set up a tournament looking thing. So if someone heads it up, I'll be a supporter.Sonictoast 20:49, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Good another voter anyone else

Sonictoast that'd be greatBlazeRocks55 20:50, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

The Final Fantasy Wiki has something called the Dragon's Neck Colosseum witch is the kinda you'r thinking about, you could check it out to get ideas.  Myself <font color="Black">123  21:31, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

The Shroom does to so are we doing it? I'll organize it maybe if he wants to with my buddy MurphyshaneBlazeRocks55 13:01, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Great but I was thinking like the Shroom that we could add some Mario, Zelda, Banjo, Brawl stuff like that or we could do strictly Sonic seriesBlazeRocks55 13:18, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think strictly Sonic series would be best. That'd be embarrassing if Link won as the number 1 sonic character. I think sticking to only sonic characters would be best. How many characters are we thinking? 100? Maybe we could tie in the non-sonic characters who have articles? Or maybe just the sega superstars? Just some ideas. I still think sticking with purely Sonic characters is the best way to go.Sonictoast 21:32, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

I say Sonic and SEGABlazeRocks55 00:21, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sonictoast 100 could be a problem how would the format work out I say 64, 32, or 60. With Sonic and SEGA characters?BlazeRocks55 00:29, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * BlazeRocks55 makes a very good point. If the tournament is going to be a series of one-on-one match-ups, then you need to start with a power of two, that is 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64 or 128. That way, if one person is eliminated in each match, then the other can go on to the next round here there'll also be a power of two, up to the final. Of course, if you don't want to do it this way (with one-on-one matches), then this point is irrelevant and other numbers may be okay. -- Supermorff 05:54, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

64 is not enough. Especially if we use the SEGA characters. There are over 40 playable characters in the Sonic series alone. Plus all the other great characters from the games, cartoons and comics. How bout we double it. 128 characters. If we are gonna do this, we might as well make it great. Sonictoast 05:52, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah 128 let's make this HUGE everyone will come see this (OK I'm exaggerating in the bold) but I hope soBlazeRocks55 21:17, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

If you want to choose characters with me contact me on my talk page and I'll give you a schedule of our meeting IT'S ON

I'll come up with a website for it on Weebly tooBlazeRocks55 21:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

If I may point this out,
Well spotted. -- Supermorff 17:19, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Background
If I may ask, does anyone know what happened to the new background? The blue, Sonic's head background? It only shows up when you're editing, I notice. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey!

Um, I'm not having that problem.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 02:55, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Scratch that. I'm only seeing it on this talk page. The other talk pages too, maybe, but when I go to Main Page I don't even see it. It's like it never even was. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 03:03, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Once again, I'm seeing it just fine.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round ~ 03:06, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * The background is working fine for me too. What browser are you using, Shelly? -- Supermorff 11:11, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't even see a new backgroundBlazeRocks55 11:22, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind I misunderstood I see it all the timeBlazeRocks55 11:23, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

I use Internet Explorer 8. Also, not only can I not see the background, but the "You have new messages (last change)" thing is orange again! And when I go to the forums, the most recently edited topics aren't in bold anymore. I don't understand what's going on. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 02:53, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

That's weird, because I'm also using IE8 and everything looks normal. I suggest telling Wikia staff about it, see if they know what might be causing it. -- Supermorff 15:22, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Still looks fine to me. -- Supermorff 20:32, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Me tooBlazeRocks55 12:54, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

WikiKnights of the SNN Table
To be honest, Kagimizu asked me to do this. ANyway, I have started a group known as the WikiKnights of the SNN Table to protect various articles from vandals such as FunBoy. Just to make it clear, we're just users trying to protect the articles from vandals. We're NOT admins. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Life is just a game you play.

I shall cast my boomerang (No, I am NOT using a silly sword!) in service to this table.-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 00:14, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Your not even a member. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Life is just a game you play.

I have been fighting FunBoy for a year! I have been a friend to this wiki for about as long! Those alone should be enough.-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 01:22, May 4, 2010 (UTC) (P.S. What do you mean by "member"?)

A special someone has to accept you into the group. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Life is just a game you play.

Update the recent releases NOW!
WTH is wrong with you admits?... Have'nt you admins updated the upcoming releases yet? I mean there's the new the upcoming comics and the recent releases for April, May, And june, You surposed to update them by now but no cause you guys don't care about it. Seriously if i was an admin i would really try to update those new releases. -- User:Michaeldragon800

Here's an idea: maybe the admins don't follow the comics quite as closely as you and don't know what changes to make. And maybe if you just listed the necessary changes instead of throwing a fit, it would already have been updated. -- Supermorff 19:17, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Updating things around here isn't very difficult. All you have to do is look around and decide what you want to edit, and then use what information you know to update said articles. If this Wiki doesn't have any of the articles you want, and what you believe should be on here, then simply create the article yourself and fill it with what information you know about the subject. You can just create the name and page of the article and let someone else fill the article with information if you want. Besides, if you're frustrated about some things not being done around here, then why not do things yourself and contribute? It's as the saying goes. "if you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself". Phoenix the Cat The flames reborn....  19:59, May 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Genesjs, I think he's talking about the list in the sidebar on the left. I don't know if non-admins can edit it, but it's at MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar. -- Supermorff 20:50, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

You see Genesjs is right thats what i'm talking about and forgot the recent releases part at the home page.


 * And what are the updates that you want to go through? -- Supermorff 17:01, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Just update the recent releases for May and june someone already did that for April but did'nt bother with May & June. So do it even if those articles have'nt been made yet just do it! And update the upcoming projects for the comics to show Sonic Universe 15, 16, 17, and Sonic the hedgehog issue 212, 213, 214.

Images
OK, what's going on? why aren't images uploading?  Myself <font color="Black">123  16:05, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

There having problems you should have a message about itBlazeRocks55 18:06, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I've got the message now, took them a while to send it out though.  Myself <font color="Black">123  18:09, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well they need to post it on every wiki so it had to have took a whileBlazeRocks55 18:16, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Sonic's Birthday
Well guys, today is the day the world was introduced to Sonic the Hedgehog. I think there should be a picture on the front page. Anyone agree? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

yepBlazeRocks55 14:16, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'd also like at least one admin to agree to this as well. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Go for it. -- Supermorff 18:14, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Update the recent releases please.
Can someone please update the recent releases list at the home page. Here's on what it should show. -- User:Michaeldragon800

:July 2010

 * Sonic Universe issue 18#
 * Sonic the Hedgehog issue 215#

:August 2010

 * Sonic Universe issue 19#
 * Sonic the Hedgehog 216#

:September 2010

 * Sonic Universe issue 20#
 * Sonic the Hedgehog 217#

HEY DID'NY ANYONE HEAR WHAT I SAID! I SAID UPDATE THE RECENT RELEASES NOW!


 * You can now change this yourself by going to Template:Recent Releases. However, bear in mind that there is a difference between "recent" and "upcoming". Recent means something has already been released, therefore it is not appropriate to add the August and September issues yet, and I'm not sure about July. -- Supermorff 07:45, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Oh wait thats it? thats all i need to do. Huh i thought i needed to be an admin in order to edit it via the Home page, But i guess i don't need it. I can just udate those release with this Template, I really did'nt thought of that. Thanks Supermorff. -- User:Michaeldragon800

New Galleries
Does anyone else completely hate these new galleries? Sonictoast 04:44, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

I thought you'd never ask. They look like some 5-year-old's scrapbook or somethin'. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 05:36, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Couldn't have put it better myself. Sonictoast 06:11, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, everything looked neat organised, and now, it's just a complete mess.  Myself <font color="Black">123  12:18, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

The weird thing is, the gallery pages look all right.  Myself <font color="Black">123  12:58, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * We could do something about this, but it'd leave the gallery pages irrelevant. Over at the Halo wiki, you can add to the galleries so you see the pictures one at a time by pushing a button. It works here too.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  16:03, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Slideshows. Actually, I quite like the idea of having gallery pages displaying all the images, and just having slideshows on the character pages with a link to the gallery. -- Supermorff 17:49, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that, ladies and gentlemen, is an excellent compromise.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  20:37, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like the guys at Halo figured out a way to get the galleries back to normal. <font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  20:50, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * If by "get back to normal" you mean "crop the edges off" then yes, yes they have. -- Supermorff 21:22, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed, as much as I'd be willing to go through our hundreds of galleries and add Halo's "widths="150" orientation="landscape"" formula, I only imagine how many heads would end up being chopped off. Sonictoast 17:42, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

You know what's weird? Check out Metal's gallery page.  Myself <font color="Black">123  17:54, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * It looks great. I wonder why all the galleries can't look like that. Espio's and Vector's look good too, but Tails' and Knuckles' look bad.Sonictoast 18:02, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know, and as far as I'm concerned nothing special has been done to them. It's like wikia somehow forgot to change them.  Myself <font color="Black">123  18:07, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't to last it seems. Can't wikia at least give us some coding to make the galleries look how they used to?  Myself <font color="Black">123  10:46, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

SFW In Danger!!!
Everyone!! SFW needs our help!! A former User of our sister Wiki has notified /B/ of the Sonic Fanon Wiki, and has encouraged them to attack!! I know some people here may not like or approve of SFW, but we have to help our sister wiki!! Whether /B/ attacks or not is unknown for certain, but I and SFW need everyone who's able to lend a hand when or if it happens!! So whaddya say everybody; are you gonna help out our sister wiki, and also show what Sonic News Network Users are capable of!?!?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 04:32, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thank goodness, because /B/ is more well-known as "4chan"! So SFW needs all the help it can get!!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 05:31, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

What does /B/ mean and how is SFW in danger? Sonictoast 14:56, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm with Toast, what's going on?  Myself <font color="Black">123  15:04, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

????? Vote Blaze!!! 15:26, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

/b/ is the random posting board of the website 4chan. It is frequented by hackers and trolls with a warped sense of humour, and is notorious for the concerted website attacks (e.g. denial of service) launched by its members to the extent that it is now a rule on the board that there are to be no site invasions. Considering /b/ gets something like a quarter of a million posts every day, if there haven't yet been any attacks, then I would think there are unlikely to be any - besides, SFW would seem to be beneath /b/'s notice. And frankly, if 4chan users do decide to attack SFW, then they are in deep trouble and there is nothing a couple of SNN users could do to stop it. In fact, attempting to launch a defence would probably make SNN itself a target. If there is an attack (and, again, this doesn't seem likely at this point), SFW needs to bring Wikia staff in as soon as possible. -- Supermorff 16:37, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I was asking in case all they do (if at first) is actually Troll and spam. Fortunately, it doesn't seem like anything will happen, so that's good. *looks around* Yeesh, I seriously need to get back to doing some work around here...--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:13, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

DANGFLABBIT! An invasion?! Alright people, get your weapons, we're forming an army! This war starts as soon as the first troops fire!!! -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 04:12, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

GASP! 4chan has discovered us?!? I'm willing to fight against those guys, but....you guys need to unban me from the SFW. I'm an expert on trolls, and I can probably beat them at my own game. After all, I used to be a troll myself. Multiverseman 04:18, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Multi's right; we'll need all the help we can get on this one. In truth, I think we're SUPPOSED to be overreacting and being too careful, because you never know what these vandals will do. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 04:36, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, we've even got Wikia Staff on alert!--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 04:53, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

I think everyone (particularly Kagi) should calm down. Getting stressed effect's your judgement. What we do here is simple. We wait for them to attack, and then do exactly what we do with every other vandal; we ban them and revert their edits. It is even possible to wipe another person's edits off the grid entirely using the delete contributions option. What we don't wanna do is tick these people off by trolling and attacking them, otherwise this could turn into a fued and SFW would have a much bigger problem to deal with. What we need here is negotiation. Police-type negotiation, since that is essentially what admins are on wikia. We talk to them calm and orderly, and lightly inform them of what we will be forced to do if they attack us.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  08:37, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Glad FFF and Drones are keeping a level head. As I said before, at this point there is probably not going to be a problem. Calm down. Declaring war is only going to make a problem more likely so, again, calm down. If there is a problem over and above the usual sort of vandalism, then do not fight back - tell Wikia staff and let them deal with it. -- Supermorff 10:42, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hopefully the vandals don't see thisVote Blaze!!! 11:07, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Has anything happened yet? 15:14, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

I'm keeping an eye on SFW, if anything happens I'll let you guys know. 16:24, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

KVote Blaze!!! 20:14, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

New!
Wow, the Wiki's new style looks awesome! -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 04:55, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to be the downer, but I undid it since it came out of nowhere. Of course, I'm sure I merely missed out on the vote because of my frequent absence.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 04:57, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ouch. Well, you'd best restore it before Supermorff finds out. He's not gonna be happy. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 05:52, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Morff doesn't make the decisions around here; that's left to everyone on the wiki. I'm sure Morff understands that, and I would be disappointed if otherwise.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 05:54, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

I know he's not the only one running this place. I just figured he'd be a little dissapointed if someone took down [what I thought was] his design XP And 58, sorry. I jumped to conclusions. What you did looked REALLY good! -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 06:02, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

XD Well, you did very well! You should be proud. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 06:02, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

I just had a look at 58's skin from this morning. It's okay, although I confess I prefer the one we have at the moment. My biggest issues with it: Pretty good for a first try - my own first tries weren't so impressive. -- Supermorff 08:59, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * The colour is fine (not particularly Sonic-y, but fine), although the red does mean we'd need to change the Wikia logo, because it was obscured and Wikia doesn't like that.
 * The background doesn't tile, and the dividing line is very obvious (and, therefore, obvious that it was just taken from some website without being made custom).
 * There's a 15th anniversary logo on it, despite the fact that we're well beyond the 15th anniversary.
 * As a smaller issue, but I might as well mention it, the main body of the image is obscured by the page. While we can see the characters around the edge, it's harder to see the (more important) characters in the middle.

New voice actors
Ok so I am noticing that both on Wikipedia and on this Wiki, various characters have new voice actors listed including Shadow, Knuckles, the Babylon Rogues, and probably more. Now I can;t find any proof that these actors are the new voice actors for the Sonic series. Is this true? If so could the provider of the info please give a source, if not then I would like to see this problem fixed immediately. Thanks. 74.70.209.222 15:10, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that.

P.S. Since I know you were asking, I plan to register today. 74.70.209.222 15:23, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for repairing the articles, but it seems that these unconfirmed actors are still being listed on the character pages. The user (an admin) also put a source leading to Wikipedia's page for Sonic Free Riders, which has no info on any voice actors. Jacktheinfinite101 19:22, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

If it was false, the admins on Wikipedia would have removed it. Also, news about this is everywhere. Even on Sonic Retro and the SEGA Forum. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master   Kaze no Kizu!

For the people who wanted to know.... ITS TRUE.
 * He's right. AdmiralLevi.Signiture.pngAdmiralLevi._Salute.gif 20:10, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I can't even find that info on Wikipedia so perhaps they did remove it and not to mention Wikipedia is much lees of a reliable site for information about Sonic than this Wiki to begin with. In addition to that I looked a some of the forums regarding this and they were all merely in the form of speculation based on a Wikipedia article that is not trustworhty to begin with. If there is a announcement by SEGA or a news article that confirms it then it would be 100% credible. At this point, it can only be considered a rumor. If you still want to have these voice actors listed in the articles in question, then may I request that it be noted that this is merely rumored and not confirmed? Thanks.Jacktheinfinite101 20:21, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I can't even find that info on Wikipedia so perhaps they did remove it and not to mention Wikipedia is much lees of a reliable site for information about Sonic than this Wiki to begin with. In addition to that I looked a some of the forums regarding this and they were all merely in the form of speculation based on a Wikipedia article that is not trustworhty to begin with. If there is a announcement by SEGA or a news article that confirms it then it would be 100% credible. At this point, it can only be considered a rumor. If you still want to have these voice actors listed in the articles in question, then may I request that it be noted that this is merely rumored and not confirmed? Thanks.Jacktheinfinite101 20:21, August 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thursday Jul 15, 2010
 * http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2010/07/15/out-of-the-mouths-of-hedgehogs/

Since Its on SEGA's offical site Let Not Keep Debating It TomxThexHedgehog

We know those are true. We weren't debating them. For one thing this debate is over, but I'll explain anyway. The only new voices that are confirmed are Roger Craig Smith and Kate Higgins as your link suggests. However some unregistered contributor on Wikipedia added voice actors for Knuckles, Jet, Shadow, Wave, and Storm. None of these were confirmed but one of the admins took notice and added them here and I tried to remove them, once the info was removed from Wikipedia itself, then it was settled that the info be removed here. So yeah, this debate is over, there are currently no unconfirmed VA's in the articles and there aren't any confirmed VA's missing from the articles. Jacktheinfinite101 11:30, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Marine the Raccoon and Shade the Echidna 3-D Model
Uh, what about 'em? <font face="sand" color="silver"><font color="#008080">Doctor Pain 99 ( C  T  E ) 02:39, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Care to explain?  Myself <font color="Black">123  17:30, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

linda hello

Mario and Sonic 3!!
OMG!!! mario and sonic 3 is confirmed! Should i create a new page about it? well untill i get a response i will do nothing

Here is the link: http://www.sonicstadium.org/news/2010/10/new-mario-and-sonic-sonic-20th-anniversary-game-confirmed/

-14sonicstar-3.0/

Here are the exact words: A new Mario and Sonic game was also confirmed, though no additional details where given. Sonic Paradise speculates that Mario and Sonic will have something to do with the 2012 Olympics. Given the trend of the last two games in the series, this is very likely.
 * The links says the game is rumoured, not confirmed. AdmiralLevi.Signiture_B.gifAdmiralLevi._Salute_B.gif 04:35, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

-14sonicstar-

New Wikia Layout
I completely hate this new layout. It is terrible. How do you upload a picture now? Everything is all squished together. I hate it. Sonictoast 06:04, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Go to Preferences to change back to Monaco.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 06:23, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, that's all I had to do. I feel sheepish. Thanks Kagi. Sonictoast 01:25, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

No problemo.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 03:02, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

No no, I concur with Sonictoast. That new look is crap, and now all the other wikis have it. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 02:41, October 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * And, of course, Monaco no longer exists. -- Supermorff 21:30, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

What the hell?!?! They made this place look like Wikipedia!!! And Wikipedia is complicated enough!! For once, I liked the simple look WAY better!! That tears it, I'm revoling, you hear?! REVOLTING!!! I'm starting this protest effective immediately!! -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 00:26, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

(claps) Shelly, look at my previous blogs. SNN is already on its way to cutting ties with Wikia, so don't worry.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 00:39, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Good, because it's NOT just SNN!!! It's also gonna be the following: -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 01:19, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Skies of Arcadia Wiki
 * One Piece Fanon Wiki
 * Ultimo Fanon Wiki
 * The Magical DoReMi Wiki
 * The Wild Arms Wiki

Okay.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 01:30, November 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * The new skin has many flaws. A way has been identified to remove the silly widgets on the right of the page and drastically increase the width of content space. See User blog:Supermorff/Wikia's new fixed width - solution!. -- Supermorff 18:33, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, maybe we won't have to leave if some of these terrible problems can be fixed, I don't like the pencil next to "edit" I mean, do people really not know what edit means?  Myself <font color="Black">123  18:41, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Myself, it's already set up, and aside from the fixed width, none of this can be changed; we can't get the shoutbox back, we can't replace all this stupid flash with substance, and we can't get rid of the widgets. The sooner we leave Wikia, the sooner we get Monaco back, and complete creative freedom on the wiki.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:49, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

12pointdesign.com. Nero's dad will copy every single scrap of SNN's data, and copy it onto an empty "HuskWiki", cloning SNN perfectly. History, privelages, ranks, and contributions will all be preserved, and we'll have good ol' Monaco back.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:54, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I don't know how or why Wikia chose this as a new skin. Maybe they were playing with hammers again -- <font color="Crimson">Murphyshane <font color="#00b6ee"> I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 18:57, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, whatever their reasoning, as soon as the move happens we won't have to listen to 'em anymore.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:00, November 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * "we can't get rid of the widgets"> Yes you can. The instructions are right there on the blog. I said as much in my last comment. -- Supermorff 19:05, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

I apologize for missing that Morff. Regardless, I can't wait for the moving to be done, so we can finally friggin move on.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:08, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm so sick of this monobook garbage. I want Monaco back! Sonictoast 06:12, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

We'll get it back. Just in the December-January timeframe. 'sides, Monobook is better than Oasis, otherwise we wouldn't be using it. But regardless, we'll still have monaco back soon enough. Good ol' Shoutbox, no stinkin widgets, and no Wikia to tell us to do anything.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 06:58, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Question: I've been hearing constantly that once (and if) this move is initiated and everything here is "cloned" to another site, we will get back some lost features including the favorable Monaco skin which was lost. However, I have yet to hear anyone explain how we would get even Monaco back after we move. Do the host(s) of this other website even know the coding required to impliment Monaco? Along with all the other features and Widgets which were lost? Phoenix the Cat The flames reborn....  20:04, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Is your wiki still planning on leaving wikia?
Hello, someone on this wikia wrote on the Anti Wikia Skin Alliance Moving page, that your wikia is moving. Please remove your wikia's name or add your wikia to the Moved Wiki page.

Thank you. Anno1404 22:31, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

We haven't moved yet.  Myself <font color="Black">123  00:06, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Monaco is available on shoutwiki
Monaco is available for wiki's on shoutwiki, click through on the above link. Thank you. Anno1404 22:31, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion on Prima Guides as sources
Hi, I started a discussion about some information in GameSonic canon that comes from Prima's Official Game Guides over on Talk:Shadow The Hedgehog, and I was looking for anyone who would be willing to participate in the discussion. I thank anyone in advance for participating (whether they agree with me or not). Sonic saiyan 18:55, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry if this question has already been answered
Where did the 3D pics of Shade and the Nocturne come from? Are they fan-made or screenshots from an upcoming Sonic game? PCE 08:48, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

The pictures are from commercials for the game she was in.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 09:10, February 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. Thanks a lot for the info, it's much appreciated. PCE 09:58, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Join the latest and newest Sonic and Mario discussion on Youtube!
Join the discussion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2VtTmJUIe4

P.S. No negative aruguements please!

MusterChief 03:22, February 6, 2011 (UTC)MusterChief

Sonic Battle Moves
As of yesterday, I now have Sonic Battle. So, I have a question: Should I perhaps list the moves that all the characters have on their respective articles, so as to give more detail?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 19:06, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, go for it man -- '<font color="Crimson">Murphyshane - <font color="#00b6ee">Morph! He's alive! <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here '19:07, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Alright. Any other suggestions and whatnot?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 22:41, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * My opinion is that moves that don't appear in more than one game are trivial and don't need to be listed in character articles (perhaps a section could be set up within the game articles to list moves?) Sonic saiyan 20:15, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well, this wiki is supposed to cover every single aspect of the Sonic franchise. Leaving out the moves means we're leaving out information.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:40, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * True, but that info would not technically be left out if put into the game articles (and thus the wiki would still cover every single aspect) - while the character articles will eventually become extremely bloated with such details, many of which will not be important in the future as many of these moves are forgotten. I just don't feel a massive list of moves from who knows how many different games, most of which may never be of any significance again, makes for a good character article, but again that's just my opinion. Sonic saiyan 01:57, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

How about a list page, or different list pages for different characters and links on the pages?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  15:57, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

What about what we've done with Sonic Chronicles moves? Those have all been listed.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 16:48, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, we can do that.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  17:18, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

I mean in the articles.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 04:17, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Moving from Wikia
Since you guys have planned the move from Wikia, I'd like to ask you guys something. What will become of this Wiki here? Would it still exist? Would you delete all the pages? Because if other Sonic fans come to this wiki, what will become of it?

 Hey! Bullet!  The Easter Bunny is Here! 15:43, March 30, 2011 (UTC)﻿

Dunno just yet. Personally I say delete everything.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 16:47, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Chances are we'll most likely delete everything from this place, once we're completely sure that everything on here has been copied and moved to another location. Although, if we could, I'd say that we should try to see if we can just have the Wiki as a whole deleted instead after we're done moving, because there's a good chance that Wikia will try to use what's left of this place against the new SNN, and may try to get our name lower on the search list on search engines such as Google. There's also the risk that Wikia may try to get us back somehow or merge the new SNN into it's own mainframe, like what they tried to do with Memory Alhpa Wiki. So what's gonna happen to this place is uncertain as of right now, but if planned carefully then we should be able to move successfully without a hitch and not risk having to face any unfortunate difficulties later in the future. Phoenix the Cat The flames reborn....  17:08, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

THIS WIKI IS GONNA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?? WHY? O_o

Ediskrad327 17:35, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Because of the Skin that Wikia is forcing upon this website. Don't worry about it, though it might still be a long time before the move actually ocurrs.

 Hey! Bullet!  The Easter Bunny is Here! 17:57, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Oh and also Kags, do you know when you think the move is going to occur, before the new year maybe?

 Hey! Bullet!  The Easter Bunny is Here! 18:02, March 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Wikia don't delete their wikis, because they represent advertising revenue. For a wiki of this size and with this level of traffic, they also will not allow the pages to be deleted, and they will take steps to block anyone that attempts to damage the viability of the site. They've done it before and I guarantee it will happen again here. And, seriously, if you guys still want to move then just do it. Forget Nero's offer because the delay has demonstrated that SNN won't get the webmaster's attention it will need to operate - just go over to shoutwiki or something. Honestly, since you've left it so long I doubt you'll get many people jumping ship. I no longer have any intention of doing so, but then there was only an even chance of me going in the first place. -- Supermorff 18:06, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't want to move, either, actually. I know how many of the users here hate the new skin, but I found it to be quite useful. Let me ask you all something: Ignoring the fact that there is no shoutbox or anything resembling one, what features have you noticed about this new skin that were better than what was on the old one? I've found quite a few.-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 21:34, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Shoutwiki requires payment, losing everything we've got and starting from scratch, and no Monaco; waiting for Nero's dad gives us all of these things. Unfortunately it's not up to any of us how long the move takes; Nero's dad has paying clients and has suffered other delays. However, Nero has said that the move will be completed. And with that move, article and User data and history will be preserved, we'll have Monaco, and on top of that, the wiki will be free both monetarilly and from Wikia. We won't have to pay for it, clutter up the wiki with advertizements, and Wikia can't push any updates people don't want, unlike what was done with the new skin. That's one of the main points of the move; the fact that despite overwhelmingly negative response to both Oasis and the mandatory removal of Monaco, they did it anyway, despite Wiki being a "community-driven site". We have no reason to believe it won't happen again unless we move. This new skin is all flash and minimal substance. Most people deal with it because they have no choice; the only other skin option is Monobook, and some people don't know how to use it.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:51, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Well, Akamia and Morff do point out some good things, but so does Kagi.

 Hey! Bullet!  The Easter Bunny is Here! 04:07, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. On top of that, we would have total creative freedom; we could make the wiki look however we, the community, wanted. We could add things that normal wikis and any of those standard wiki sites wouldn't have. We could make the SNN totally unique.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 04:16, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

That is true. We could include anything we wanted and wouldn't have to listen to Wikia.

 Hey! Bullet!  The Easter Bunny is Here! 04:21, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Monobook takes time getting used to, but it works more or less just as fine as Monaco. I prefer using Monobook because I find it easier to naviagte around Wikis with, and I also don't have a hard time finding certain buttons in order to either edit a page or go to a specific page altogether. Even when I have Oasis on for a few minutes or so every now and then, I still have some difficulty remembering/figuring out where everything is because it all seems out of sight. The only reason I'm neutral on this move is because I still have a skin choice that allows me to edit around Wikia to the best of my ability, and at this point I'd only have doubts about leaving unless Wikia decided to kill Monobook as well and leave only Oasis as our only skin choice, and also prevent everyone from being able to modify or create skins for good. As long as there's a skin I can know how to completely use and work with easily, then I'm probably not gonna jump ship anyway. Besides, as Supermorff pointed out, if we were gonna move we would've done done so already, and since we haven't even I'm beginning to have doubts about whether or not this move will ever occur, or even if it's really necessary anymore at all. As long as I can work and navigate around Wikia without any serious problems that'd make it difficult for me to do so, then I don't really care what we do at this point. As much as I'd like Monaco back, you can't help but ask yourself this, especially at this point: Is it really worth still attempting to go through all this trouble just to get a single skin back? Unless Wikia does something really stupid, then I see no point anymore in seperating with them just to get this one skin back. Phoenix the Cat The flames reborn....  04:25, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Look, we'd also get the Monobook skin, but there's also the fact of how Wikia went about installing the Oasis skin. They completely quashed the negative opinions most people had about the skin. Even when people wanted Monaco to be maintained alongside Oasis, they still dumped Monaco. We have no reason to believe that Wikia won't force more junk on the wikis. And all the trouble we're going through is just a long wait, which happens because Nero's dad does this as a business, not a hobby. He gets paid to make websites, and as far as he's concerned, he's only doing this for his son and his friends; so of course we get the backburner. On top of that, there have been delays such as finances, moving, and blackouts. I hate having to do all this waiting myself, but it's the fact that Wikia disregarded the community and did what they wanted to do. When the wikis move, Wikia won't be able to tell us to do sh**; we will decide the changes made to the wikis.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 04:38, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

You bring up very good points. Which leads me to this conclusion, as far as skins go; How about we go ahead and bring back Monaco, like everybody wants, but also bring along Oasis, for those (like myself) who have grown accustomed to it, and prefer it over Monaco. I realize that such people may possibly be very few, but maybe at least have it as an option.

As for Wikia's forced change decision, I concur; It was wrong of Wikia, and it directly goes against what they claim to be. Perhaps leaving them behind will be for the best.-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 10:30, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Seperating from Wikia and using their current skin would probably be a not-so-good combination....--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 13:53, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

I felt more comfortable around Monaco when I was just a Wikia Contributor. When I came back to make an account, I couldn't find anything, we might have to move, Monaco was much better then Oasis.

 Hey! Bullet!  The Easter Bunny is Here!  17:22, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Kagi, shoutwiki and all of the major wiki farms operate a migration service. We wouldn't lose anything in the transition. Shoutwiki operates a free service, but it has adverts. It also has Monaco, but that would require payment. If that's not sufficient, try WikiSpot or Ourproject.org, or XWiki, or try the wiki-finder tool at http://www.wikimatrix.org/index.php. -- Supermorff 20:19, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well with regaining the unfairly taken away Monaco being one of the main goals of the move, and with no way to pay that's a problem. Regardless, it's nice to know that we have other options, if Nero's dad really doesn't pan out.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:27, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Let me remind the page that the reason for the move was the community's extreme dislike for Oasis, the favor of Monaco, and the fact that Wikia threw us out the window, in a manner of speaking. It doesn't mean we have to throw Oasis out at all. As I said, for those who liked it better, why not keep it for such people? Everyone else, even the wiki itself, without users' own custom settings, can use Monaco as they please. Oasis can be at the bottom of the skin list, for all I care, but at least consider making the skin an option. Besides, by now, I myself would be rather clumsy with Monaco, due to my getting used to Oasis, which I kind of like better.-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 23:38, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Look, I hate Oasis and how it came about with a passion, but if possible I'd make sure it could tag along. The problem is, while Monobook is standard and Wikia freely tossed out Monaco, Oasis was made by and is currently used by Wikia; bringing it along could get people in big trouble. Though if we go without adverts and no-one makes a profit from using Oasis, that might be okay...--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:41, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Hm... I see your point. Well, if we can make it work, then okay then. If it doesn't work out, I suppose me and Monaco should get re-acquainted. In any case, your logic is sound. Only time will tell if plans work out.-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 23:46, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

I see your point Kagi.

'' Hey! Bullet!  The Easter Bunny is Here!  15:09, April 3, 2011 (UTC)