Forum:Sonic Tournament Characters

Top heading (for contents)
Here we Go! I've taken the liberty of creating this chart, so we can keep track of who we decide will be in the tournament. I went ahead and filled in a handful of the really main characters just because I assume there will be no argument against them. However, let's not put more characters in until we've agreed on them. Sonictoast 23:25, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Update: I've added in all 42 playable characters and those who have gotten 3/4 votes so far.

Update: Alright folks, it is time to finish the list. Aweful shame that Blazerocks hasn't shown up this whole time. The characters who have received 2/3 votes will move up into the roster. If there are open spaces in certain categories, I will be assigning the characters in that category a number, then be using a random number generator which will pick which character gets to be moved up into the roster. Since there have been no objections to the 7 sega all-stars they too will be added. At the bottom of this page, we will start the "Wild Card" Nominations, so if you have a character who you think should be the wild card, be sure to nominate them. Sonictoast 04:21, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Alright Sonictoast, Murph, Super Guy 100 please check in before we choose the charactersBlazeRocks55 18:16, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Super Guy 100 reporting for duty!

Is sonictoast online then we can choose charactersBlazeRocks55 18:19, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

IDK. Super Guy 100 =)

Then we'll pick without himBlazeRocks55 18:23, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

M' kay. Super Guy 100 =)

Sonic and Sega bothBlazeRocks55 18:27, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

agree. Super Guy 100 =)

Hold everything let's choose the characters before we find out who plays whoBlazeRocks55 18:31, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mighty v Fang/Nack? Super Guy 100 =) Let's do all the Sonic Heroes charactersBlazeRocks55 18:35, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Are you nuts? We can't fit that much characters on the roster! But, ok. Have it your way. Super Guy 100 =)

Dude we need 128 charactersBlazeRocks55 20:06, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I forget who they are?BlazeRocks55 18:37, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

OK we'll have to do this around 4:00 Eastern my computers having issuesBlazeRocks55 18:39, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

What state do you live in?BlazeRocks55 20:06, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Murph, Super Guy. answer this question when you get back and I'll give you a new scheduleBlazeRocks55 20:17, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Gang, Sorry i missed earlier I was not aware we were meeting at that time. Anyway, Here is what I propose.


 * All 42 playable characters (Counting Flicky, not counting SatBK counterparts or super forms).
 * 20 more Game Characters
 * 10 Archie characters
 * 10 STC Characters
 * 10 SatAM characters
 * 9 Underground Characters
 * 10 Sonic X Characters
 * 10 aosth Characters
 * 7 Sega All-stars

Sonictoast 20:34, June 9, 2010 (UTC) To make it easy on you guys, the 42 playable characters in the series are (in no particular order):
 * 1) Sonic
 * 2) Tails
 * 3) Robotnik/Eggman
 * 4) Knuckles
 * Amy
 * 1) Metal Sonic
 * 2) Flicky
 * 3) Nack/Fang
 * 4) Cream
 * 5) Emerl
 * Big
 * 1) Shadow
 * 2) Rouge
 * 3) Omega
 * 4) Gamma
 * 5) Bark
 * 6) Bean
 * 7) Tails Doll
 * 8) EggRobo
 * 9) Chao (Playable in Sonic Shuffle and SA2/SA2Battle as ChaoWalker)
 * 10) Dark Chao (playable as Dark ChaoWalker in SA2Battle)
 * 11) Metal Knuckles
 * 12) Blaze
 * 13) Silver
 * Ray
 * 1) Heavy
 * 2) Bomb
 * 3) Mighty
 * 4) Espio
 * 5) Charmy
 * 6) Vector
 * Jet
 * 1) Storm
 * 2) Wave
 * 3) E-1000G
 * 4) E-1000R
 * 5) SCR-GP
 * 6) SCR-HD
 * 7) Black Knight
 * 8) Tikal
 * 9) Chaos
 * 10) Shade.

Dude, why Sonic the Comic? I never it before. How about some Mario characters? Super Guy 100 =)

I've never read Sonic the Comic either, but we should make this tournament apply to all Sonic Fans, even the UK ones. Maybe we can cut the StC characters down to like 5 or 6.

I was under the impression that Mario characters would not be a part of this. I suppose that is something we can discuss here. Sonictoast 20:39, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Spaghetti and Meat Balls
Let's get this moving already. Sonictoast 15:05, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, since not one else is doing anything, I'm taking action.

I'm going to but boxes of characters from different sonic categories. I you want that character in the tournament, put "yes" next to them under your column. If you don't, put "no". Everyone get's 10 "yes" answers. In the event of a tie, it will go in favor of the character, unless there is more than has been designated for that category, if still too many, whichever comes first in the alphabet gets the spot.

Update: I've gone through and bolded those who have 3 votes so far, that means they will for sure be in the tournament.Sonictoast 23:33, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Update We are making good progress. Once all these characters are chosen, there will still be one spot left for a wild card, a character that we all agree should be in the tournament, but for some reason was left out of the voting or something. Let's have all votes in by midnight tonight eastern time: (11 Central, 10 Mountain, 9 Pacific, 5 UTC). Then tomorrow we will decide our wild card and be done with the list finally.

Update Now that all the votes are in, we have a lot of ties. I can simply use the random number generator to pick which characters get the spots or we can vote on them. I would rather use the generator and finally be done picking characters and get on to the tournament. Does anyone else have a preference?Sonictoast 15:43, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Here are the 24 characters who all tied in their categories. How it would work is I assign them all a number, 1-24 and the first 11 to be chosen by the random generator get to be in the tournament. Or we can just vote on them, 11 'yes' votes each. Sonictoast 15:58, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

I punched them into the random number generator. I will underline the ones that came up. If your cool with those picks, say so. If not, say something. Sonictoast 18:58, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Update I tallied up all the characters and all the ones that were split 2 yes and 2 no I added into the random generator and Froggy was the one who missed out on the tournament which means Tekno, Vanilla, Caterkiller, Crabmeat, and Gemerl are saved. BlazeRocks55 23:13, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

final vote (11) Sonic X (10)
 * sonictoast - ST
 * Murphyshane - MS
 * Super Guy 100 - SG
 * BlazeRocks55 - BR

Adventures of StH (10)

SatAM (10)

Archie comics (10)

Sonic Underground (8)-you get 8 "yes" votes

Non-playable Game characters (20) you get 20 "yes" votes

Sonic the Comic (6)-you get 6 "yes" votes -If you don't know who someone is, click on their link and read about them. -I don't know much about StC, if you do know about it and know an important character I missed, please add them.

Other (4)-you get 4 "yes" votes

-These are characters from the movie, Night of the werehog and scrapped game characters.

In Addition, we have 7 SEGA All-Stars on board:


 * Aiai
 * Amigo
 * Alex Kidd
 * Beat
 * Billy Hatcher
 * NiGHTS
 * Ulala

If there is any objections to these seven voice your opinions now. Sonictoast 16:38, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Wild Card Nominations
Wild Card

Choose 1 except yours you nominated

I Nominate Orbinaut.

Why: 1. He is one of the most reoccurring badniks. 2. He has been around since 1991.

Sorry I haven't been here I've been terribly sick I say the wild card let's let everyone decide but I'd go with Banjo mix in a non Mario, SEGA OR Sonic characterBlazeRocks55 17:23, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

For real, I nominate Ella.

Why? 1. She's funny, fat, farty, Eggman loves her and she is a terribly racist stereotype of a Hispanic house maid.Sonictoast 22:09, June 17, 2010 (UTC)



Anyone else gonna nominate someone? Murph? Superguy? I'm only allowed to vote for Banjo right now, and though Banjo is a good choice, I'd rather have a variety of candidates to choose from.Sonictoast 06:37, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah guys (I already let Murph know he can nominate someone)BlazeRocks55 11:24, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

At this rate we can nominate 2 characters I sayBlazeRocks55 11:31, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I nominate Banjo. No Specific Reasons. Super Guy 100 =)
 * Banjo is already nominated. You vote for him. I'm voting for Banjo too in hopes that we can move on. Sonictoast 14:25, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I'm tired of waiting around. Looks like Banjo Wins! Roster finally complete!Sonictoast 04:31, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Why doesn't anybody like Ella?Sonictoast 16:37, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Becuase Ella Chris Danny ect ect ruined Sonic X the new humans ruined Sonic XBlazeRocks55 19:44, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Youtube
If anyone has a YouTube account we could post something on Youtube to get everyone's attention about thisBlazeRocks55 23:29, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well done Blazerocks55. That is an excellent idea. I have a very prominent youtube account with over 6000 subscribers and yes a majority of them are Sonic fans. Once we have the dates set for the tournament I'll put up a video advertising it.

We also gotta get some other things moving. We gotta set the match ups. I was thinking the number generator could be used for that. We should see if we can get a link to the tournament put up on the SNN homepage. It would be great if we could get something about it on the Sonic Stadium, that would bring in a lot of voters. We should make banners for it that will link to the tournament. We need to set dates, we need to figure out how many matches we will have each day. We also need to make the bracket. We are all going to need to be very active if we are going to do this right. No 1 of us can do it alone, we'll have to work together. It would be good if we can also recruit more users, so there won't be so much lying on the shoulders of the four of us.Sonictoast 06:34, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

We don't even know about the wild card yet?!BlazeRocks55 11:27, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

How about SSM or 58 to help or Admiral he would do great making banners and stuff?BlazeRocks55 11:25, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, Admiral's banners seem so robotic. This should be appealing. Sonictoast 15:05, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I think i already subscribed to you, toast. Look for Homsar386 (don't ask about why i have that username; i like homestar runner.) Multiverseman 15:13, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Responsibilities
We should start figuring out who does what. Does anybody know how to make a tournament bracket on wikia? Sonictoast 07:28, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yep it might me done in about two days maybe but we need to find out who plays whoBlazeRocks55 11:21, June 19, 2010 (UTC) Uhhh, what? Super Guy 100 =)

Alright, i think we should use the random number generator to decide who plays who. They can have their numbers in the box at the top. Sound good? Sonictoast 16:40, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

I say to the one across the ends of there line like this Sonic v. Omochao Emerl v. Julie-Su Dark Chao v. Molly Dark Oak v. Shahra

because what would happen if it was Sonic v. Tails Knuckles v. Amy some of the more popular ones could be eliminated in the first round get it?BlazeRocks55 19:40, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Use a seeding system. Put the top 8 or so from the table into different brackets and assign all the others randomly. Also, for random number generators, I recommend RANDOM.ORG. -- Supermorff 19:52, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * We've been using random.org and thanks for the help we'll think about the ideaBlazeRocks55 21:24, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Blazerocks, I like your idea, but I would rather use the random generator. Simply because by your system the SatAM characters are matched up with other SatAm characters (Antoine vs Snively, Sally vs rotor). most all the Sonic X characters are against the Sonic Underground characters. It seems a bit boring if there are ten Sonic X characters vs 10 Sonic Underground characters. I'd like it to be a little more mixed up, that's why I would prefer we use the random number generator, but also using Morff's idea of assigning the first 8 characters to seperate brackets. Sonictoast 04:30, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, I totally didn't see that link you had to random.org. Great minds think alike I guess. Anyway, in case anyone will find it useful, I've drawn up a proforma tournament diagram at Template:Tournament. It doesn't have any names in yet, but it's a full 128 size. Feel free to change or edit as you like, and ask me if you want help. -- Supermorff 19:15, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, Morff, that looks excellent. Can you put Pictures in that or only text? Either way I love it, seems perfect for this. Sonictoast 00:09, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

So I don't have to do the tournament bracket?BlazeRocks55 11:34, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Morff made a really nice template. You could copy paste it into the tournament page and put all the names in. Sonictoast 16:26, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * All rightBlazeRocks55 17:33, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * All right you use the random generator tell me the matchups and I'll get to workBlazeRocks55 17:34, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

sounds good. Sonictoast 18:04, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Look! You can even put pictures in! This is awesome! Though I don't know why they have those { – }} around them. Sonictoast 16:43, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * The text and formatting goes at the end of each line. I've fixed it. -- Supermorff 18:25, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I know I'm not part of the group, but I vote yes for the Tails Doll to move up! Multiverseman 19:25, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * When the actual tournament begins, you can vote for Tails Doll.Sonictoast 16:26, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Match ups
These are chosen by a random number generator except for the top 8 characters who are purposely equally spread out from each other. Also, I switched spots between Shade and Silver because I assume Silver is a more popular character.


 * 1) Amy Rose vs Black Knight
 * 2) Emerl vs Antoine D'Coolette
 * 3) Snively Robotnik vs Momma Robotnik
 * 4) Cream vs Johnny Lightfoot
 * 5) Athair the Echidna vs Mephiles the Dark
 * 6) Manic the Hedgehog vs Erazor Djinn
 * 7) Caterkiller vs Hero Chao
 * 8) Topaz vs Tekno the Canary
 * 9) Knuckles vs Void
 * 10) Crabmeat vs EggRobo
 * 11) Metal Sonic 3.0 vs Sonia the Hedgehog
 * 12) Mammoth Mogul vs Blaze
 * 13) Bokkun vs E-100 Alpha (Zero)
 * 14) Chris Thorndyke vs Ray the Flying Squirrel
 * 15) E-10000R vs Monkey Khan
 * 16) Tails Doll vs Bartleby
 * 17) Dr. Robotnik vs Katella
 * 18) Doctor Finitevus vs Ulala
 * 19) Pir'Oth Ix vs Wes Weasely
 * 20) Aiai vs Chao
 * 21) Rob O' the Hedge vs Bark the Polarbear
 * 22) Eggman Nega vs SWATbots
 * 23) Tikal the Echidna vs Marine the Raccoon
 * 24) Chomps vs Coconuts
 * 25) Shadow the Hedgehog vs Cluck
 * 26) Beat vs Chuck Thorndyke
 * 27) Espio the Chameleon vs Oracle of Delphius
 * 28) Dark Chao vs Bomb
 * 29) Chaos vs Molly
 * 30) SCR-GP vs Uncle Chuck
 * 31) Old Man Owl vs E-102 Gamma
 * 32) Fiona Fox vs Big the Cat
 * 33) Sonic the Hedgehog vs Cheese the Chao (poor Cheese)
 * 34) E-123 Omega vs Mighty the Armadillo
 * 35) King Boom Boo vs Storm the Albatross
 * 36) Vector the Crocodile vs Jet the Hawk
 * 37) Ebony the Cat vs Grounder
 * 38) Rouge the Bat vs Rotor Walrus
 * 39) Robotnik Jr. vs Chip
 * 40) Scourge the Hedgehog vs Amigo
 * 41) Metal Sonic vs Billy Hatcher
 * 42) G.U.N. Commander vs Shahra the Ring Genie
 * 43) Cosmo the Seedrian vs Scratch
 * 44) SCR-HD vs Shade the Echidna
 * 45) Maria Robotnik vs Bean the Dynamite
 * 46) Zonic the Zone Cop vs Gemerl
 * 47) Vanilla the Rabbit vs Mecha Sonic
 * 48) Wave the Swallow vs Porker Lewis
 * 49) Miles "Tails" Prower vs Shortfuse the Cybernik
 * 50) Merlina the Sorceress vs Metal Knuckles
 * 51) Alex Kidd vs Omochao
 * 52) Enerjak vs Doctor Zachary
 * 53) Dark Oak vs Wallace A. Ditso
 * 54) Heavy vs NiGHTS
 * 55) Mr. Tanaka vs Charmy Bee
 * 56) Ixis Naugus vs Decoe
 * 57) Silver the Hedgehog vs Sara
 * 58) Bocoe vs Muttski
 * 59) Bert Whoo vs Flicky
 * 60) Black Doom vs NICOLE
 * 61) Banjo-Kazooie vs Sally Acorn
 * 62) Fang the Sniper vs Julie-Su
 * 63) Tiara Boobowski vs Bunnie Rabbot-D'Coolette
 * 64) Professor Von Schlemmer vs E-10000G

I think the top eight characters should be randomly ordered, but only amongst themselves. The way it is now, we've guaranteed that Sonic cannot fight Tails in the final (for example), because their battle (if they got that far) would be in round 4. Sonic can stay in number one place though, that's fine. -- Supermorff 20:04, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Excellent point. I went ahead and randomized those with Random.org and am now proceeding in the match ups. Sonictoast 21:46, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

few, finally finished, that took a lot longer than I thought it would. Sonictoast 22:54, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

OK the tournament won't save somebody else do it pleaseBlazeRocks55 13:26, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

OK I fixed it but there's one problem the final matchup well see for yourself Template:Tournament I don't know how to do pictures so if someone else could do that BlazeRocks55 18:20, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * yipe, That's only the template, you were supposed to copy paste it somewhere else. no worries, I'll see if I can fix it.Sonictoast 18:34, June 22, 2010 (UTC) 34 made me laugh. Mighty vs Omega? HA! IT'S NO COMPARISON! MIGHTY WINS! Super Guy 100 =)

ATTENTION! No more editing on the template. go here Forum:Sonic Tournament bracket. Sonictoast 18:47, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I got edit conflicted and confused. I'm fixing it now. -- Supermorff 19:12, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * holy Toast, no Morff, yours was perfect, I just now saw your edits and they were perfect, i was just getting annoyed because everyone was making it look so weird, that's why I made a forum, so to keep the original intact, but with what you did with putting the characters in looks perfect. We should keep what you did and I should delete the forum. Sonictoast 19:31, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Morff, If it is okay with you, I think you should be in charge of the bracket. You obviously know what you are doing, and no one else, should be allowed to touch it without your consent. What say you?Sonictoast 19:34, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't delete the forum, but yeah I guess I could be in charge if you want. -- Supermorff 19:39, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed, I think that would be best, rather than having 4 people editing it left and right. Sonictoast 19:50, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Dangit. The tournament bracket is too large to transclude like a normal template. Guess we will have to just copy and paste after all. -- Supermorff 19:55, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sonictoast, I'm done editing Template:Tournament for a while. If you like, why don't you go through adding all the pictures you like? -- Supermorff 20:02, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was just going to ask you if I could do exactly that. Thanks. Sonictoast 21:31, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Hooray!!! I finally finished putting all 128 pictures in. They are all background-less, mostly all full body shots (except a few characters that I couldn't find full body shots of to save my life). Take a look, Template:Tournament, I think you'll all like it. Sonictoast 05:42, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Fun stats about our 128 characters:
 * we have 50 Bad guys
 * we have 30 Robots
 * we have 28 females
 * we have 19 humans (20 if you count NiGHTS, is NiGHTS human?)
 * we have 14 Hedgehogs
 * we have 11 Birds
 * we have 10 Echidnas
 * we have 5 Chao

Sonictoast 06:19, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

The only thing left is advertisingBlazeRocks55 14:29, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Look at this: http://sonictournament.com

Just a little something I threw togetherBlazeRocks55 19:57, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sonictoast, that template now looks amazing!
 * BlazeRocks, I'm afraid there's still more to do before we advertise full out, although the website looks pretty cool (you might want to link the characters back to this wiki, though). We need to sort out places for people to go for each of the match-ups. I suggest, in the first round matches, that we do four at a time (that is 8 characters at a time) and that we open voting for either 1 or 2 weeks.
 * A blog format would be good for the matches, but I don't want to affiliate the tournament with any one person, so I think it would be better in forums. We could put them in 'Sonic News Network:' namespace, though, if we sort it out suitably.
 * Each period of voting will need an introductory paragraph and a poll, plus some pictures. Not sure whether to put the tournament bracket in every page, or maintain a central page with 'Round 1', 'Round 2', 'Round 3', of the tournament bracket appearing multiple times.
 * Also, Sonictoast, NiGHTS is a Nightmaren, not a human. FYI. -- Supermorff 20:13, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just felt like making a site and I thought of this I wasn't going to show it off unless you want me toBlazeRocks55 22:24, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

I've written up the sort of thing I had in mind for the weekly match-ups. Have a look at User:Supermorff/Week 1. Feel free to tweak and improve. We can move it to a more appropriate location when we're ready to start. -- Supermorff 13:00, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Morff that's amazing! I just tweaked it a bit. Now we need to advertise about it. Again we need to work on a youtube video. Who's doing that again?BlazeRocks55 14:08, June 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Jeez, I can't believe I wrote that Cream flew by flapping her "wings". Well spotted there, BlazeRocks55! Outstanding jobs:
 * Decide where we want to put this (forums/projectspace)
 * Decide when the tournament is actually going to start
 * Advertise! We need to drum up support, both on this site and elsewhere.
 * I think we're looking good. -- Supermorff 15:09, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

We should know I do a bad job at advertising. That's all I'm going to say. And Morff, thanks for helping us. Super Guy 100 =)


 * This is where I need some input from you guys: Where should we hold the tournament, forums or projectspace (namespace "Sonic News Network")? Projectspace would probably be better, or in any case more permanent, but it would also take more effort to arrange as we'd have to run it by some other admins first. For forums we could get it set up right now. -- Supermorff 12:33, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do projectspaceBlazeRocks55 13:56, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi gang, I gotta apologize, I have had very limited internet access over the last week, I lost my job and have been busy trying to find a new one. Anyway, Morff, the write ups for the match ups look awesome. I do think being able to vote 4 at a time would be good, otherwise this will take a long long time. Also, Blazerocks, your website looks very cool, thanks for using my collage. I agree that projectspace would be better, I'm an admin and I give my support. As for advertising, I will do a youtube video, but we need to figure out dates and location of the tournament, so I can include them on the video. Also, does anyone have any connections to "the Sonic Stadium" because that is like the best Sonic News Site in existence, if we could get them to do an article on out tournament, it would be sure to bring in a lot of traffic. Sonictoast 14:29, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Me again. I think having the bracket on its own separate page would be best, we can update it with every match and provide a link to it on the main battle page. It just seems too big and takes too long to load to include it on other pages. Also, Morff, I also really like that there is a comments section for the match ups, great idea. Sonictoast 14:40, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to hear you lost your job, Sonictoast. I hope you manage to find a new one soon.
 * My current thinking is that we have a central Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament page, with the bracket, updated as we go. We also have pages for each round, to maintain old versions of the bracket, at Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament/Round 1 etc. Then we have more pages for each week of voting, at Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament/Week 1, etc. This will amount to a huge number of pages, I realise, but I don't think it'll be a problem.
 * I'm also thinking four matches per week for the first four rounds, two matches per week in the quarter- and semi-finals, then (obviously) one match in the week for final. This will be a total| of 34 weeks - two thirds of a year! And we will have to update it every week.
 * I hope everyone appreciates the scale of what we're undertaking here. -- Supermorff 16:16, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

i don't know, 34 weeks is a really long time. What if we could cut it in half. 17 Weeks. Start with 8 matches a week, 4 in the quarter etc. etc.Sonictoast 21:59, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * You can't reduced it to 17 but you can reduce it to 18 by having 8 matches in each of the first four rounds, then 4, 2, 1 and in the final stages. I did consider it, but honestly I think 8 is a lot per week - the voting pages will be quite long and people may not focus on each match. (Either that or we strip out everything in the page so that we only keep the polls, which is far less interesting.) Also, in 18 weeks I will be in the middle of my final exams and will probably be avoiding SNN like... something that will distract me from exams... so somebody else will have to deal with the tournament then. If somebody is willing to do that, then fine. -- Supermorff 22:09, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I fold. 34 weeks sounds great. On a separate note, I'm going out of town until mid-next week. Sorry, I haven't been helping much lately, life is just hectic for me right now.Sonictoast 01:44, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

It's all right I'll get to work on this Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament BlazeRocks55 11:17, July 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I asked a few admins about this. Kagimizu gave his support and the others didn't seem to care either way, so I say go ahead with it. If you need help making the page, let me know. Hopefully we can get started pretty soon. -- Supermorff 10:54, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just thinking here, but if we wanted to make the tournametn a bit shorter, we could have each set of voting up for a day instead of a week. It would mean more regular editing, and we'd probably need a buffer ahead of time, but it would probably be more manageable in the long run. Anyone have any opinions about that? -- Supermorff 10:58, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

A Day seems kind of short, I don't know if we would get a very big response. And as far as the daily updates, I don't think I'd be able to keep up myself with my current schedule. Sonictoast 18:04, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, okay, we'll stick to a week then. How are things going, anyway? -- Supermorff 19:05, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Things are alright. Since I don't have a job, I took this last week to make a video for the SEGA's Sonic's 19th B-day contest. I think I did pretty good, but last night I saw T-bird's (from the Sonic Stadium) video and it was pretty amazing. But I think I may have a fighting chance for the win. Come Monday, it's back to the job hunt. How are things going for you? Sonictoast 19:31, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not bad, thanks, can't complain. Tried to step up the pace on writing the STC articles a bit, because I'd been falling behind. You'll have to send me the link to your video some time. When's the contest?
 * Is BlazeRocks55 around? If not, I might just write up a page without him. -- Supermorff 20:24, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm hereBlazeRocks55 21:05, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, you are here, excellent! I've lost track of what's happening next. Were you writing up a page at Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament? -- Supermorff 21:13, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

I was just copying what you made on that and renaming it but I'm having trouble isn't that what we want to use though?BlazeRocks55 21:53, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah. We'll use that as a central hub and link out to voting on other pages. I was just checking to see how it was coming along. Let me know if you need help. -- Supermorff 22:40, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, we should give it a catchy name, like "Clash of the Mobians" or maybe "World War Sonic" or "Super Smash Hedgehogs Brawl" or "Ultimate Sonic Championship" or "Project Showdown" (get it? Like Project Shadow.) Or we could just stick with "Sonic Character Tournament". Sonictoast 22:48, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm gonna say no to "Super Smash Hedgehogs Brawl", and I thik we should probably avoid the word "Mobian" since fans familiar only with the games might not know the term very well. "Ultimate Sonic Championship" is quite good, as is "Project Showdown", although neither of these really convey what the contest is. I think the word "Character" should definitely appear somewhere. "Ultimate Sonic Character Championship"? -- Supermorff 23:18, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I say yes for Morffs ideaBlazeRocks55 19:12, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah and here Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament it's not the same because I couldn't copy the pictures so just do that and advertise let's do thisBlazeRocks55 19:19, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * BlazeRocks, you're not using the Real Text Editor by any chance? That might explain why you're having trouble with the formatting on these things.
 * I've moved the first week to Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament/Week 1 and transcluded it into the main page, but we also need to add the tournament bracket and get a proper title and everything, plus an introduction. So did you decide not to call it the Ultimate Sonic Character Championshi in the end, or are we just having this as a title and call it the longer name on the pages themselves?
 * The most important thing to do now - right now - is decide when we want voting to start. We'll need to know that so we can advertise effectively - which should also start now. I think we can get up and running by next week. Anyone have a preference for days? -- Supermorff 20:19, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it's good news: we've already had some interest! Better not leave them waiting...
 * In fact, I think we're pretty much ready to go, as soon as you guys give the word. And advertise! -- Supermorff 21:20, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'll get started on a youtube video. Voting should start next Monday! What do you guys think? That way we'll have a week to prepare and advertise. By the way, Morff, the Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament page looks pretty amazing. I like the name Ultimate Sonic Character Championship. Maybe I can make a cool banner for it. Sonictoast 04:59, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Whaddayall think?




 * That banner is awesome! We should definitely see if we can get that on the main page of the wiki! Also, BlazeRocks, you could maybe use it on your website. I think next Monday (19 July 2010) is a good idea - if we're agreed we should mention it wherever possible.
 * Sonictoast, has Kagimizu been in touch about your next featured user interview. You could mention the tournament there too maybe? -- Supermorff 09:14, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright and do we have a videoBlazeRocks55 13:08, July 12, 2010 (UTC) The banner looks pretty good. Are we all set? Super Guy 100 =)

Good idea, Morff, I'll be sure to mention it in my interview. I'm working on the video it'll be be done probably by wednesday. But hey, as a shameless plug, you should all check out my entry for the Sonic 19th Birthday contest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3iIsTj-cNY Sonictoast 14:20, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd give you the prize straight away, but for the sake of fairness I did look at some other entries... and yours is still the best. Good luck! I've added the date to the Tournament page. Now we start advertising, I guess. I don't want to put the banner on the front page until probably friday or saturday, just in case people get disappointed that it hasn't already started. -- Supermorff 19:48, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * All right I can't wait for this. It better be popular or else all this work will be for nothingBlazeRocks55 19:51, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Plus on are page there is no where to vote do you want me to fix thatBlazeRocks55 19:55, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * No no, that's intentional, because voting hasn't started yet. We'll add polls next Monday.
 * I've also drawn up a page for the week after next, at User:Supermorff/Week 2. Have a look!
 * Sonictoast, I've just uploaded a new image of Tekno the Canary. It's higher quality but a bit smaller. Think you could remove the background in the next two weeks? Pic is at File:STC103-Tekno.jpg. -- Supermorff 20:43, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Morff, you are beautiful. You have no idea how many hours I spent surfing the net for a full body shot of Tekno that wasn't fan art. and still all I was able to find was that one where the legs are cut off. Anyway, I can totally edit that image and put it in the bracket. I'm working on the youtube video, its not looking bad so far. I think I'll ask T-bird from the Sonic Stadium if they'll do a piece on the tournament, I'm sure that will bring in traffic. Sonictoast 21:27, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

moving on
Sorry, I got tired of having to scroll down so much to edit, so I started this section. Just wanted to say, morff, I am loving the little match up bios you are writing. They are short, sweet and interesting. Sonictoast 21:59, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'm going to need help with some of them, because in some cases I just don't know enough about the characters. Metal Sonic 3.0? What makes him interesting? I know nothing at all about E-10000R. I am quite looking forward to writing up Robotnik vs Katella though! What a first match-up for him! -- Supermorff 22:15, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought that was a match made in heaven... or the other place. Maybe we could just use one of these pictures.

Anyway, here's Tekno Sonictoast 22:53, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

I made this smaller little banner that says it starts monday. Whaddaya guys think? It could maybe go on the front page for early advertising. If the shape is bad, I could change it too. Sonictoast 23:14, July 12, 2010 (UTC)



Fine with meBlazeRocks55 23:03, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Gang, I finished the commercial. I'll show ya'll once it uploads on youtube. Sonictoast 05:10, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Alrighty: thumb|418px|right|Here's the ad I made

holy Toast you guys. The video has been online about 20 minutes and is already up to about 100 views and it's 1 AM! Sonictoast 07:04, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

AwesomeBlazeRocks55 13:45, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh. My. God. That's just... so... awesome. Must go on front page right now... -- Supermorff 18:02, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Alright Gang, things are looking up. The video is getting some positive feedback on youtube, fans are getting excited. Morff, the tournament page is looking great and I love that you put the video on the site's main page, very cool. I sent an email to the Sonic Stadium, telling them all about the tournament with links to it and the video. I also asked them to do a blog or news post about it. If they do, that would bring in a lot of Sonic fans. Toast.

So the date is coming up soon. We have to get ourselves organized and make sure we know who is doing what. One thing for sure, morff is doing an amazing job, but the rest of us can't just rely on him to do all the updates every week. We have to communicate who is doing what and when. Though Morff, you seem to know pretty well what's going on. What responsibilities do you think need to be delegated? Sonictoast 21:49, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Right. Good question. Um... might have to think about that.
 * Right, yes. Jobs are as follows:


 * 1) Write the weekly pages. This can be done ahead of time. It would be good if everyone could chip in. Write a paragraph for one of the upcoming battles (but not from weeks 1 or 2, which have already been done). Put them on my talk page and I'll put them together. Get as big a backlog as possible, to make the other jobs easier. We don't want to have to be doing this the day before a weekly update, no sir.
 * 2) Every week, we need to switch over the voting. If I've written up the weekly pages in my userspace, they will need to be moved into projectspace. Then, a single edit on the main tournament page will a) update the tournament bracket with the winners, and b) change the transclusion on the main tournament page to point to the new week. I can do this for the first few weeks, but someone else will have to take over when I become unavailable, so it's best if they pay attention to what I'm doing.
 * 3) At the same time, a slightly harder job - at the end of each week, we need to close the polls. This is quite difficult, as there is no mechanism for this in wiki software. My plan is to take snapshots of the polls as at the end of the week and then upload them as pictures. Brief descriptions of the results - congrats to the winner, commisserations to the loser, comments on the score, etc. - should be added to the weekly page. These will need to be written really quickly on the day the polls close. Possibly we could have some templates done ahead of time, particularly if it looks like a clear win, but we can't count on this. As above, I can do the first few weeks, but somebody will need to take over from me when I can't do it.
 * 4) We can't let up on advertising. Every week, we need to put out a list of the current contestants. BlazeRocks, your site would be good for this. On this wiki, I'm thinking we should use the Community Corner. I'll try to figure out how that works before Monday.
 * From this, I think what I'm saying is, I'm willing to do most of the work this week. If nothing else, it will help me work out the best way to do things so we have a formula for going forward. But people should pay attention to the changes, and people need to start writing the battles, because that job is way too big for me on my own, particularly since I don't know who all of the characters are. -- Supermorff 22:23, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, thanks morff, that definately puts a lot of this into perspective. I'm going to do the write ups for week three. Anyone know if Murphy Shane dropped out of this or what, haven't heard from him in a while. Sonictoast 22:46, July 14, 2010 (UTC) IDK I'll ask him tomorrowBlazeRocks55 01:45, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Right, guys, Sonictoast has written up some great summaries for week 3, which I've put up at User:Supermorff/Week 3. If anyone else wants to contribute even a single battle summary it'll help. The list of battles still to write are at User:Supermorff/Battles. Please please please chip in however you can. -- Supermorff 20:40, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

It's all looking very good, Morff. That was a really good move doing the User:Supermorff/Battles page, because it makes the task a whole lot less intimidating. In case you all were wondering, my video did not make the top ten for the Sonic Birthday contest :( Sonictoast 22:31, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. I actually tried checking yesterday, but everytime I clicked on the link (or typed in the address manually), it kept redirecting me to the UK mirror site, which has a completely different contest. More bizarre was the link at the bottom of the UK mirror site that said 'For the top ten videos in the US, follow this link', which I did, and which redirected me back to the exact same page on the UK site. -- Supermorff 14:08, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I know, it was exactly the same for the US entries. The link to the UK page would just open another tab of the same US page. kinda lame. Someone at Sega's gotta get their act together.Sonictoast 14:31, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Um I'm not good at making summariesBlazeRocks55 16:01, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

How bout this for summaries. Sonic, fast. Shadow, immortal. Knuckles, strong. I think i'd be able to do it -- Murphyshane Don't click here 17:05, July 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're so silly Murphyshane. Good to have you back, but still, you're so silly.Sonictoast 17:16, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

So two people have to write 127 battle summaries and results? Fantastic. BlazeRocks55 and Murphyshane, your job is now to find people on this wiki capable of writing battle summaries and recruit them. Go. -- Supermorff 17:49, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Tomorrow
Tomorrow is the big day. Can anyone think of anything last minute that we need to take care of? Sonictoast 18:17, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not really. I'm a tiny bit concerned that by leaving the weekly pages open for comments we're left open to vandals, and if they mess around with the polls that could jeopardise the voting. There are ways around it, but too much effort at this point. See if something goes wrong first, I guess.
 * Jobs for tomorrow morning: add the polls, announce on the page that voting is open, change the Community Corner thing to announce it as well. It'll be harder next week when we have results to deal with as well. -- Supermorff 18:31, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Got itBlazeRocks55 19:01, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * This isn't for you unless you can write battle summaries please do it on the Tournament Page in the comments sectionBlazeRocks55 19:09, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * This isn't for you unless you can write battle summaries please do it on the Tournament Page in the comments sectionBlazeRocks55 19:09, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * This isn't for you unless you can write battle summaries please do it on the Tournament Page in the comments sectionBlazeRocks55 19:09, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

No, don't do it there, do it at User:Supermorff/Battles. -- Supermorff 19:28, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

I meant post your opinions on the comments section not the battle summariesBlazeRocks55 20:03, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, sorry. I misunderstood. -- Supermorff 20:38, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

what if we made the comments section an actual part of the Tournament page instead of the Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament/Week 1 page (which will be locked), then at the end of the week we move the comments to the week 1 page, so it is clean for the upcoming week.Sonictoast 23:07, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've actually put the comments section into a separate forum, Forum:Character Tournament Week 1, which is transcluded into the page. That should solve it. Plus, if someone more knowledgeable about forums than me can put it on a forum index, it might help encourage more people to participate. I was wondering whether I should transclude the weekly page into the forum, so people can vote there directly?
 * First round of voting is now up! Go vote! -- Supermorff 06:18, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Morff, can you put a link to the tournament page on the wiki's front page? Maybe above or under the video, I think the tournament itself is a little hard to find. Sonictoast 14:51, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'll do that later today when I have more time. I'm actually considering taking the video down unless you're really keen for it to stay. It seems more like a 'coming up' video than a 'now on' video, but maybe that's just me. If I take it down, I'll put up your banner in its place - you can actually link pictures, unlike videos, which is a big plus. If you want the video to stay, then we'll need something different, something that's a bit narrower than the banner we've got at the moment. Something with proportions more along the lines of Template:Archie and all those sort of banner templates (long & thin).
 * Will also probably put something up on the Community Portal, if I remember. -- Supermorff 15:27, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I say put up the banner with a link below itBlazeRocks55 15:30, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with taking down the video. Sonictoast 16:52, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Voter outcome
Only one day in and already over a hundred voters. I'm very pleased with this outcome, imagine how many votes there will be at the end of the week. Heck, the Shroom only has like 250 voters. we are doing good friends, we are doing good. Sonictoast 00:54, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sweet. I was hoping for this many in the whole week. But we can't let up. We don't want it to drop away in future weeks. Any luck with those other websites? Sonictoast, have you left a comment on your YouTube vid saying that voting is open? -- Supermorff 10:50, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Close enough, I changed the description to say that voting is now open. I also left a comment the night before saying "voting starts tomorrow". I have not heard back from Sonic Stadium, which makes me think they are not interested, though they may just be busy planning Summer of Sonic right now. Maybe next week, I can make an updated video. Sonictoast 18:14, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Bravo to Morff on an excellent transition from week 1 to week 2. And Bravo to everyone for a very successful first week. I'd like to propose an idea. What if we put the results in the bracket itself, for example:

I completely copied this idea from the Shroom, so my feelings won't be hurt if no one else wants to do it, but I just think it would be an easy way to keep record of the results and would make the bracket a tad more interesting as the tourney progresses. What does everyone else think? Sonictoast 15:13, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah why not let's do itBlazeRocks55 19:31, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Let's not forget that Blaze came up with the idea to bring it here -- Murphyshane Don't click here 19:33, July 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * What's your point Murphyshane? Sonictoast 21:07, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I thought I made my point crystal clear. Everyone loves this tournament but alot are forgetting who came up with the idea to have it here. So, we should all give BlazeRocks55 the credit he deserves. -- Murphyshane Don't click here 21:56, July 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Was anyone not giving him the credit for that? Anyway, Sonictoast, I think that's a great idea. Apologies for not noticing the suggestion sooner. -- Supermorff 22:08, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I just can't say somethin' smart can I? -- Murphyshane Don't click here 22:22, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Hey gang, i just thought it was funny, I was looking at the bracket and by round 4 there is a chance we might have: Eggman vs. Eggman Nega, Sonic vs. Scourge (AKA Evil Sonic), and Metal Sonic vs. Mecha Sonic. I thought all those match ups would be pretty coincidental and funny. Of course there is no guarantee any of them will happen. Who knows if Sonic will even make it past Cheese. Sonictoast 01:53, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I'm voting for Cheese since he has no chanceVote Blaze!!! 12:13, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

I was gonna vote for Cheese regardless. Who's he up against? -- I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow Don't click here 12:15, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Sonic Vote Blaze!!! 12:16, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

No contest, Cheese'll win -- I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow Don't click here 12:17, August 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * @Sonictoast> That's pretty cool.
 * Guys, while I WILL be available to do the changeover this week, I will NOT be available the week after (Monday 16 August). It might be a good opportunity if someone wants to have a practice this week while I'm still around to correct problems? Anyone interested? -- Supermorff 12:19, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

What's pretty cool? -- I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow Don't click here 12:20, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how to keep the polls up but close them so no one can voteVote Blaze!!! 12:24, August 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * @Murphyshane> Sorry, that was directed at Sonictoast. I've fixed it.
 * @BlazeRocks> I don't know what you're saying. Just in case you're asking how you would go about changing over the weeks, I've made a list, which I've set out below. -- Supermorff 13:06, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

I think Blaze was asking how do you disallow users to vote in polls but still show the poll's results --  I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here   13:35, August 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * You can't, so you have to upload pictures. See steps below. -- Supermorff 14:33, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Steps for change-over

 * Step Zero
 * You need to write the paragraphs to go under each battle on the weekly page. Do this before the change-over. I will probably do this today.


 * Step One
 * Take screenshots of the voting boxes as they stand at the end of the week and edit to remove the buttons (I usually do this in Paint). Then upload as images, e.g. jpegs.


 * Step Two
 * Edit the page of the week that is ending. In this edit, you must replace all of the voting boxes with pictures from Step One (not in thumbnails) and the paragraphs from Step Zero. Make sure you leave a line gap between the pictures and the paragraphs.


 * Step Three
 * Edit the main page of the tournament, changing the week of the transcluded page, updating the results and editing the bracket.


 * Step Four
 * Edit the page of the week just beginning, adding the voting boxes under each battle and adding the text:


 * at the very bottom (where X is replaced with the current week of the tournament).


 * Step Five
 * Create the page Forum:Character Tournament Week X with the following text:

Comment
Feel free to comment about any of the matches below this line.

<hr width="50%"/>
 * where again X is replaced by the current week of the tournament.

Last week, Steps One to Five took me about half an hour. I remind you all that, one week from tomorrow, one of you will HAVE to do this, or it will not be done. If you don't want to try it out tomorrow, fine, but this is the last chance for a dry run. Up to you. -- Supermorff 13:06, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'll do it this week and next. Sonictoast 14:12, August 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's excellent, thank you Sonictoast! I'll try writing up some paragraphs you can use and I'll put them on your talk page. -- Supermorff 14:33, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good it seems very long and hardVote Blaze!!! 19:56, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

No comment. -- Supermorff 20:22, August 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Blaze, Not really,

Step Zero All ya gotta do is type em out.

Step One You just need to take pictures of the polls using the Print Screen key (Prt Scr) and crop them with Paint or Word.

Step Two Simple, just add the pix you uploaded to the new page Step Three Edit the next page of the tournament and adding the text Forum: Sonic Character Tournament Week whatever week it is}}

Step Four Copy and Paste the following text: in the new Forum

Might take ya a while but still easy --~


 * If it is so easy then why didn't you volunteer, Mr. Shane? Sonictoast 06:26, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

1) Cuz you volunteered before me

2) Why the Hell did you call me that -_-

P.S. Shane Murphy is NOT my name. How many ppl do I have to freakin' tell!?

-- <font color="#00b6ee">I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 06:29, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

@Mr. Murphy

Don't yell at me. Yell at your friend, here. He needs it --> Sonictoast 07:09, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

You're really startin' to bug me ¬_¬ -- <font color="#00b6ee">I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 07:11, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I want to give a HUGE thanks and congratulations to Sonictoast for an incredibly smooth changeover. I realise that I made a little mistake in writing out the steps (now corrected), but all in all I think things went very well. -- Supermorff 07:04, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

@ Morff,

thanks. ... Sonictoast 07:09, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just remembered that, once change-over is complete, you can also update MediaWiki:Community-corner. I think only admins can edit it, but I could be wrong.
 * Right. I am now off for a week. Try not to let the internet burn down while I'm away. -- Supermorff 20:04, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi guys, I'm back. Nice work on the switch over, seems to all be fine. Any problems? -- Supermorff 14:01, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Had a little snag, I.E. Kagi trying to help without being asked and accidentally making things bad, but besides that things went just fine. How was your trip? Sonictoast 14:57, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * One week on, and I only just noticed you asked about my trip - it was fine, thanks! Saw lots of fantastic art and architecture, and ate lots of ice cream. -- Supermorff 21:02, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Lucky55 Skcor Ezalb 21:05, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

New pictures for round 2
I was thinking we could change things up a tad when round 2 starts in a couple months. I thought maybe we could make head to head pictures like in a boxing match. Here is an example I whipped together using backgrounds and art from Sonic Battle, Sonic X, SatAM, Sonic channel and Sonic Advance 3.



What do you all think? I'm willing to do this for every match if necessary. Then when round three comes along, we could do something different, like battle pictures or something. Again, what do you all think? Do you like the idea? Do you not like the idea? why?Sonictoast 05:24, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Very interesting. However, further editing could be done, so people won't recognize Sonic's Axe Kick.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 06:21, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I like it, think it looks very cool. I didn't spot the Axe Kick, but not too sure about the Sonic Battle logo. However, if we do start doing this there's no going back and nobody else would be able to do this - so you'd have to do it for every single battle in Round 2 at least, and maybe for the subsequent rounds as well if we can't get anything else. It's up to you, man. -- Supermorff 19:05, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Looks cool to me -- <font color="Crimson">Murphyshane <font color="#00b6ee"> I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 19:06, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thinking about it, I am a tiny bit concerned about what'll happen if one of the characters only has 3D art. Don't suppose you could draw up another example for another match that'll have that? -- Supermorff 19:08, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's awesome55 Skcor Ezalb 20:54, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Alrighty crew, so here are some new mock ups. The first is the same old Amy and emerl except with the flaming sonic head in a different spot. The second is the same one with no flaming Sonic head at all. The third is an example of one with a character (Mephiles) who has no 2D artwork. If no one likes the 3D artwork, I suppose we could resort to using fanart, though I'd really rather not. Let's all voice our opinions, what works, what doesn't work, what we like and don't like.Sonictoast 21:43, August 25, 2010 (UTC)



As for your concerns, Morff. If I am the only user capable of doing a picture like this, then yeah I guess I'm willing to do it for every match in round 2, especially if I start now, then I should be able to get them all done in plenty of time for round 2. Sonictoast 21:43, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

This is perfect keep it up55 Skcor Ezalb 17:56, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Toast, you did a bang-up (good) job! -- <font color="Crimson">Murphyshane <font color="#00b6ee"> I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 18:03, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I say lose the flaming head entirely, it doesn't add anything, but generally this looks really cool. Even Mephiles looks fine. I'm just thinking, though, how it'll look on a week page. Since it'll probably be centred, could we possibly make them a bit wider than they are high? Not necessarily a lot, but a bit. A smidge? Another 100 pixels, say. I don't even think you need to change the angle of the kickflash, just give some extra background on either side and maybe move the characters further apart. What do you think? -- Supermorff 18:38, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I say this is as good as it gets outstanding job Toast! 55 Skcor Ezalb 20:26, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I say we keep the flaming head, looks cool -- <font color="Crimson">Murphyshane <font color="#00b6ee"> I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 21:31, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * On its own it looks cool. Here it looks like someone took the Sonic Battle logo and slapped it on as an afterthought (no offence, 'Toast). -- Supermorff 21:57, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't listen to him it's fine keep making them PLEASE don't change it55 Skcor Ezalb 21:59, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

It looks cool when it's in the middle, am I right Blaze? -- <font color="Crimson">Murphyshane <font color="#00b6ee"> I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 22:01, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

It looks cool period. 55 Skcor Ezalb 22:02, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'l take that was a yes -- <font color="Crimson">Murphyshane <font color="#00b6ee"> I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 22:03, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

What I mean is I like it any way55 Skcor Ezalb 22:05, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

OK -- <font color="Crimson">Murphyshane <font color="#00b6ee"> I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 22:08, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Um, BlazeRocks, I think you may be confused about the disagreement. I think the pictures look cool, but I think they look better without the Sonic Battle logo. Murphyshane thinks the pictures look cool, but that they look better with the Sonic Battle logo in the middle. What is your preference? -- Supermorff 08:43, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't care there both awesome but if I had to choose one it would be without the Sonic Battle logo it has nothing to do with the tournament55 Skcor Ezalb 11:48, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well, except for the fact that Emerl's first appearance was in Sonic Battle. -- <font color="Crimson">Murphyshane <font color="#00b6ee"> I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 11:57, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but no one will notice or care55 Skcor Ezalb 11:59, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I guess, it'll probably only affect Emerl -- <font color="Crimson">Murphyshane <font color="#00b6ee"> I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 12:00, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Fellas, glad to see you've been discussing this. Looks like the general consensus is "no Sonic Battle Logo", sounds fine to me. I admit, it was kind of tacked on in the end. Anyway, Morff I like your suggestion about widening the pictures. I am out of town right now, but when I get home wednesday, I'll throw together some wider mock ups and we can figure out which version everyone likes better. Sonictoast 21:41, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alrighty gang, hear is the same picture, a bit widened so as to fill up the screen more. What does everyone think?Sonictoast 19:55, September 1, 2010 (UTC)



I like it. Proportions are definitely much better. I resized and centered to get a better idea of what it might look like on a page. -- Supermorff 20:14, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Perfect now get to work55 Skcor Ezalb 01:22, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

I have a question what do you use for this? Paint? 55 Skcor Ezalb 21:28, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Photoshop, perhaps? -- <font color="Crimson">Murphyshane <font color="#00b6ee"> I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here   21:33, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Extended Banner
I extended the Banner to include more characters. I thought it could take up more space at the top of the tournament page. Whatayal think? Sonictoast 22:29, September 17, 2010 (UTC)



Looks great. I've changed the page now. Ialso really like the pics you've been adding to the Battles page. -- Supermorff 10:18, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

I think it looks awesome 55 Skcor Ezalb 12:26, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks guys. Morff, you still good on doing change overs this week? Sonictoast 01:18, September 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think so, but someone else will need to write up the Billy Hatcher vs Metal Sonic battle. Got no clue whatsoever who Billy Hatcher is. -- Supermorff 07:49, September 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * That makes 2 of us. I do know that in Sonic Riders Zero gravity, he makes Chicken sounds. Also, I'm pretty sure he has never made a single appearance without Sonic being present in one way or another. Sonictoast 15:20, September 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, either way I think you did a good job on the description and I'm glad I didn't have to. -- Supermorff 18:14, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Switch over this week
Heya guys. Sonictoast and I have been talking. In a while I'm going to be taking a wiki break and won't be available to do switch overs. Sonictoast hopes he'll be able to cover, but just in case we thought it might be a good idea if someone else offered to be on hand to help out. If someone is willing (Murphyshane, I'm looking in your direction), this week might be a good opportunity for a first run, since both Sonictoast and I will be around to lend assistance in the event of problems. -- Supermorff 18:50, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

C'mon fellas! It doesn't have to be Murphyshane even. I'm sure there is someone who wants to prove that they are reliable, responsible, trust worthy and capable. Morff and I have been working our quills to the bone on this tournament. Surely somebody wants to show some initiative and help out for once. Sonictoast 04:03, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

I am not ANY of those things 55 Skcor Ezalb 12:09, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

You can count on me Morff! When am I to do this? -- <font color="Crimson">Murphyshane <font color="#00b6ee"> I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 12:23, September 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Monday morning, early as you like. I usually do it about 7am GMT, which I figure is about midnight somewhere in America (possibly on the west coast?). -- Supermorff 13:59, September 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good for you Murphyshane, way to step up to the plate. I live in the US, mountain time. So I usually start between 10 and 11 pm on Sunday night and finish close to midnight. I think that's like around 5 or 6 AM for England, so they all get to wake up to a new week of tournament. Sonictoast 17:28, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

OK, I won't be available Monday morning (I've been late for skool like EVERY DAY so far) so I'll do it Sunday night 22:00 GMT. I shouldn't have trouble with it. Thanx for the oportunity! (whatever that means) -- <font color="Crimson">Murphyshane <font color="#00b6ee"> I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 18:30, September 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, that was a bit of a bumpy switch-over, I'm afriad. Murph, you didn't add any polls, so people couldn't vote. You didn't categorise the pictures (Category:Wiki images for now, until we find something better), you didn't update the tournament bracket on the main page, you didn't add Week 10 to the previous battles box, and you didn't add any paragraphs for the concluded battles. Think you'll be able to manage those things next time? -- Supermorff 08:54, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Murphyshane, I don't know if you should have a second chance, or if you'll even want a second chance. I mean you started the switch-over, you did all the easy parts and then said you weren't done yet, but then never came back to finish. It seems like you completely flaked. I'm thinking I could probably cover these next 5 weeks myself. Sonictoast 16:25, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

(For the record I DID come back and finish. Check my contribs) Fine, don't offer me the job -- <font color="Crimson">Murphyshane <font color="#00b6ee"> I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 17:01, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I apologize, I thought Supermorff had done all of it. You did not do terrible, and if you are willing and remember the things you missed this next time, I think you are still fit for the job. Sonictoast 18:10, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Don't think so, don't offer me the job again -- <font color="Crimson">Murphyshane <font color="#00b6ee"> I voted Blaze, so you vote Shadow <font color="#C0C0C0">Don't click here 18:18, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

I'd be willing to try. I need to get more involved with the wiki anyway.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 18:55, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Cool Kagi, sounds good. Here are the steps that Morff wrote up before, I'm just copying them down here so they are easier for you to find. But why don't you give it a try this next Sunday or Early Monday morning. And I'll be online this first time while you do it in case you have any questions.Sonictoast 20:11, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Step Zero
 * You need to write the paragraphs to go under each battle on the weekly page. Do this before the change-over. I will probably do this today.


 * Step One
 * Take screenshots of the voting boxes as they stand at the end of the week and edit to remove the buttons (I usually do this in Paint). Then upload as images, e.g. jpegs.


 * Step Two
 * Edit the page of the week that is ending. In this edit, you must replace all of the voting boxes with pictures from Step One (not in thumbnails) and the paragraphs from Step Zero. Make sure you leave a line gap between the pictures and the paragraphs.:: Edit the page of the week just beginning, adding the voting boxes under each battle and adding the text:
 * Edit the main page of the tournament, changing the week of the transcluded page, updating the results and editing the bracket.


 * Step Four
 * Edit the page of the week that is ending. In this edit, you must replace all of the voting boxes with pictures from Step One (not in thumbnails) and the paragraphs from Step Zero. Make sure you leave a line gap between the pictures and the paragraphs.:: Edit the page of the week just beginning, adding the voting boxes under each battle and adding the text:


 * at the very bottom (where X is replaced with the current week of the tournament).


 * Step Five
 * Create the page Forum:Character Tournament Week X with the following text:

Comment
Feel free to comment about any of the matches below this line.

<hr width="50%"/>
 * where again X is replaced by the current week of the tournament.

(long whistle) This oughtta be fun. I'm telling you now, be ready to fix mistakes and possibly having to do it if I forget or mess up.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:11, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

No worries, like I said, I'll be online while you do it this week. And feel free to message me if you have any questions or if you are having trouble. I'm not quite as savy as Supermorff, but I've done it enough times (and have made enough mistakes) to where I should know what's going on. Sonictoast 21:25, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, just warnin ya.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 22:05, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not going to be around this week (as already mentioned), but I've set up the weekly page at Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament/Week 13. I'm also not going to be around for about another month, so I have also set up weekly pages at: Just move them to the appropriate location when they're needed. Good luck! -- Supermorff 20:41, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * User:Supermorff/Week 14
 * User:Supermorff/Week 15
 * User:Supermorff/Week 16
 * User:Supermorff/Week 17

That is excellent Morff, thanks for doing that.Sonictoast 22:07, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Round 3
Alrighty gang, round 2 seems to be coming along nicely. So lets talk about round 3. I think we should go for a new look for the versus pictures in round 3. Any good ideas or suggestions? I was thinking of an artist's rendering of the battles. Of course I can't draw to great and I don't know if any of you can. Maybe we could do sprites, like straight from the video games. That wouldn't be too hard considering the VG characters are mostly the ones winning. Anyone else have any ideas? Sonictoast 03:38, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

We could ask Deviant Art drawers if we could use their art? 55 Skcor Ezalb 13:04, December 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * What, and hope that they happen to have already drawn the battles we need in a suitable style? No, if we do this it has to be custom made and it has to be consistent. If you know any good artists that would be happy to help, now's the time to ask them. -- Supermorff 13:32, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

I've been thinking of a couple ideas. Here is one of the simpler ones. It is very similar to round 1's set up except the characters are a little more glorified. Take a look at these examples I made:



See we kind of show off some of their different appearances and they are standing on their first appearance game, you know, like that's their foundation. What do you guys think? If everyone hates this idea, I have a few more. Sonictoast 06:59, December 12, 2010 (UTC)Ama

Amazing again Toast this has to be round 3 HAS to 55 Skcor Ezalb 12:40, December 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's okay. If people like it I'm happy to use it (but I wouldn't mind hearing other ideas as well). Personally, I think it would be better if we had them standing on their games (quite a nice touch) but we didn't have the other boxes down the sides. I do think the new Sonic-shaped 'Vs' are fantastic. -- Supermorff 14:57, December 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, if someone knows about the characters, can they write battles for Omochao vs Enerjak and Dark Oak vs NiGHTS: Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament/Week 23. -- Supermorff 15:01, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

You have a week and a half you better get to work55 Skcor Ezalb 12:49, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll assume that was addressed at Sonictoast, considering Week 23 has already started and the two battle summaries have already been written. -- Supermorff 13:49, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

I'm on vacation. I'll get on it come Monday. I'm thinking about just using these above pictures, but taking out the side boxes like Morff suggested. By keeping them simple I can produce them a lot faster and some characters do not have 3 additional pictures to use for the sides. Sonictoast 15:18, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

For comics would we put the cover of that comic that they first appeared in? 55 Skcor Ezalb 18:54, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, sounds good. -- Supermorff 20:24, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

I know this is cutting it close, since week 3 is next week, (holy toast!), but what do you guys think of these battle pictures? They are in need of a few touch ups, but you get the idea.Sonictoast 06:31, December 29, 2010 (UTC)



Nice work.--58SlugDrones! 07:31, December 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, those are incredible. Do you think you'll be able to make them for every battle in round 3? I wouldn't mind going with something a bit simpler. -- Supermorff 15:37, December 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think I could handle it for all of round 3 considering there are only a few battles. Sonictoast 06:50, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Cool. I've set up the first page of Round 3 at Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament/Week 25, using the pictures you already posted. If you want to touch them up, you can upload new versions or just swap them out when you add the other pictures. We also need a "Mephiles vs Hero Chao" para for next week, if anyone's up for that. -- Supermorff 14:35, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Round 4
We need suggestions for the round 4 characters maybe a suggestion using the old round 3 setup since the characters are more popular and it would be easier 55 Skcor Ezalb 12:59, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Here's my idea for round four. Profiles comparing the two as if they were in an investigation, the main focus will be their past performances in the tournament. Here is an example:

Sonictoast 06:02, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

That's fantastic! Do it do it! -- Supermorff 09:03, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Idea: Could you split this image down the middle, so that it would look exactly as it does now when the two images are placed next to each other? That way we could make each half of the image link to the relevant page. Another option is using the image map, but I won't have time to try and figure them out. Or we could just not bother, because it's hardly going to detract from the thing if the image is just an image. -- Supermorff 09:09, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, images should be a maximum of 650 pixels, because a lot of people won't have done our special trick of removing the Wikia rail/sidebar/rubbish widgets. -- Supermorff 09:11, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I can do the image split. I probably won't have time until tonight though. Sonictoast 18:00, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

I love this idea toast you have a week to do 3 of them 55 Skcor Ezalb 19:13, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, let's see if this works.



Holy Toast, that took about 50 previews to get them to match up.Sonictoast 03:22, January 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * They look great! Um... maybe I should have mentioned this earlier, but there is a way to specify the height of a picture instead of the width. So if you want an image to be 200px high and 100px across you can either use:


 * or


 * This might save you some time in future, I don't know. Anyway, I've set up a new weekly page at Sonic News Network:Sonic Character Tournament/Week 29, for the first week of the next round, added a couple of missing descriptions.
 * It occurs to me that, from here on out we're not going to have any time to prepare the tournament pictures and descriptions in advance. Winners from one weeks will have their next battles the immediate week after. Anyone have any ideas how to deal with that? -- Supermorff 10:37, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * We might have to have bye weeks 55 Skcor Ezalb 13:04, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * We might have to have bye weeks 55 Skcor Ezalb 13:04, January 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, another thing, the image of Chaos looks kinda blurry. I hate to ask you to re-do it considering how much effort you must have put in, but... could you possibly re-do it? Sorry. -- Supermorff 10:48, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Well that is good to know about the vertical px, thanks. I guess you learn something new everyday. About Chaos, I can easily replace it, I just need to find a larger picture of him somewhere, if anyone has any leads on where to find a larger picture of him, clue me in and save me some search time. Now a solution to the characters battling the next week. About half way through the week, we can look at who's winning start writing descriptions and making pictures for who we predict will be moving on. If we are wrong in the end, we will have to scramble the night of, but chances of that happening are scarce considering we can usually predict the outcome of a match by day 2. Sonictoast 22:02, January 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * The picture of Chaos looks better now - did you fix it, or does it just look different now that I'm on a different computer? Anyway, I think I'd rather go with Sonictoast's method and just prepare stuff during the week, because having bye weeks seems like a lazy (and, worse, unprofessional) solution. I'm going to have trouble contributing during the week for another two weeks after this one, but I'll try to help out whenever possible. -- Supermorff 21:24, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

@morff Yeah, I actually found a larger picture of Chaos and replaced it so it didn't look so fuzzy. Never hesitate to give me constructive criticism, it's all for the best. Anyway, I think I can handle round 4 just fine while you're gone. Though if you want to write another description or two, you know it is always appreciated.

@Everyone, I want to start the round five pictures sooner instead of later. I'll post my ideas as soon as I come up with some, if anyone else has any ideas, I want to hear them asap. Sonictoast 04:00, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Round 5
Here's my idea for round 5. They are pretty self explanatory. What does everyone think? Sonictoast 06:11, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Love them! That's a billiant way to show the characters' history. These will be great.99.179.141.59 22:58, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome! They look great. -- Supermorff 15:54, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

So I'm totally blown away that Robotnik lost to Tikal. I'm thinking I should change the round 5 pictures now because Tikal artwork is very limited and she looks the same in all of them. Real shame, Eggman's would have looked so cool with his aosth design, his SatAM/ Underground design, his '06 design, and of course El Gran Gordo, sigh, is anyone else sad that he didn't win? Anyway, yeah, what's everyone else think about changing the pictures for round 5? Sonictoast 05:46, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Here's the new idea:

you can see the style is exactly the same, but the concept completely different. Sonictoast 05:59, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Again, that's great. It's a good idea to show who they've beat, but what if someone just walks in on the tournament? Isn't it possible that they'll think that it's Amy, Mephiles, Cream, etc. and Knuckles, Tails Doll, Blaze, etc. going against each other?

Finals
Guys, User:BeRzEcKeR has raised an interesting idea at Sonic News Network talk:Sonic Character Tournament. In addition to having the usual tournament bracket, we could also have a sort of playoffs. I think it's too late to do anything extra for Round 5 (but I could be wrong) - but we could maybe have a playoff at the end to establish the third-place character. I'd suggest (if we go for this at all) having the playoff before the final, so we don't steal any thunder. The final, naturally, has to be the single focus of its week. Thoughts? -- Supermorff 22:44, February 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I like the idea, then when it is over we could have an official 1st 2nd and 3rd place. Then we should place a cool picture of them at the top of the page, or maybe on the home page even, it could be cool. Sonictoast 23:45, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'm working my butt off on this tournament already, as has supermorff as well. I'm too tired to take on another tournament, plus I don't like fan characters, so I don't like your idea at all. i don't speak for everyone though. Sonictoast 05:32, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

I was thinking for the finals that we could put the two finalists in front and all the beaten characters in the back watching them? Thoughts?55 Skcor Ezalb 12:32, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * All as in like all 126 eliminated characters? I like that idea, that could look really cool. Sonictoast 15:48, February 8, 2011 (UTC)