Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25415705-20150503012906/@comment-679780-20150509152615

SuperMarcoToad64 wrote: You do reliaze Mario aviod beams that go really fast (Propely or propely not faster than Sonic), battle a demon queen, defeated the dark star without a SuperForm while Sonic uses a super form plus remember the fast flower I will admit there are beings faster than Sonic. the Flash and Superman from DC. Dragonball fighters perhaps. Mario is just not one of those who can beat Sonic.


 *  *Not familiar with Fast Flower and looks it up* 

It does seem to increase Mario's speed but not by much and only temporarily. The flower would not be enough for Mario to out-run Sonic but perhaps be enough to defend himself from Sonic if it increases the speed of his reflex. However Sonic could turn to avoid Mario long enough until the effects of the flower passes. And since the Speed Flower doesn't slow down Mario's perception of time, Sonic could still blind side him if he's fast enough.

For example if Sonic and Mario were granted a choice of any power-up to fight with other than Invincibility based ones, Mario would perhaps choose the fire flower in order to shoot fire balls at Sonic. Sonic may know this and will choose his fire shield, this would leave Mario at a major disadvantage as his power is reliant on throwing fire while Sonic can not onto aborb fire with his shield but do a flame dash which would be most effective.

Also keep in mind in Sonic Generations, Sonic had a rematch with giant robots and Perfect Chaos without the need of super transformations. Either these bosses were inferior versions of their past selves or this prooves that Sonic's powers are actually improoving over time that even he will be able to take on powerful foes from his past that would of required super-transformation before.