Talk:Sonic Forces/Archive 1

New Rivals?
What if Dr. Eggman had some made-up children or something of his own while Sonic was gone similar to the counterparts from different video game franshise or something? I could be wrong?Ksandershw (talk) 13:48, June 3, 2017 (UTC) I'll give you a hint: The two characters might be similar to the ones from different video game franchises. Reference to Prometheus and Pandora from Megaman ZX series, Jack/Jack Corvus and Queen Tia/Queen Virgo from Megaman Star Forces series. I hope that could work for the new Sonic game. I just want the fans to see something new and different.
 * 1) A male with aggressive personalities
 * 2) A female with cold nature and calm personalities

Ksandershw (talk) 11:39, June 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * A very far presumption--Luma.dash (talk) 13:50, June 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * I meant what if Sonic Forces could have 2 new rivals and enemies like the dark twins to fight against Sonic and his friends:
 * Please, start a discussion for this over here. This talk page is for improvements to the article itself.--Luma.dash (talk) 11:44, June 4, 2017 (UTC)

Timeline and Sequel?
In Sonic Chronicles: Sonic and his friends (Tails Prower, Knuckles the Echidna, Amy Rose, Cream the Rabbit, Big the Cat, Shadow the Hedgehog, Rouge the Bat, E-123 Omega and Shade the Echidna) left their own world and been in Twilight Cage for too long and for years due to the time and space. Maybe that's why.

Ksandershw (talk) 21:34, April 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * Highly unlikely Chronicles is connected to this due to Ken Penders' legal cases.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 21:37, April 15, 2017 (UTC)

Who are the resistance for this game?
Any old and new characters coming?

Ksandershw (talk) 20:10, September 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * If we knew that, it would be on the page. Be patient.  Myself  123  20:27, September 15, 2016 (UTC)

Main theme song
I'll just note that we have the instrumental version of the theme song in here (for now). Mystic Orb (wall) (contributions) 23:08, March 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * It is pretty cool, huh?Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 23:09, March 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep, definitely looking forward to hear what the final version of the song would sound like. Mystic Orb (wall) (contributions) 12:27, March 21, 2017 (UTC)

Found some interesting composition info about the theme (despite being in Japanese): http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/soundcolumn/ohtani/20170421_001338/ Mystic Orb (wall) (contributions) 14:40, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

Hmmmm.....
This will be interesting. I've written fanfictions about this kind of story, but it took place in an altenate timeline.

I think this will be too dark for my family to play as we have a 6 year old, but i still can't wait!

--JoeMaster4426

E3 nominated
Like Sonic Mania, it appears that Sonic Forces has been nominated for Best of E3 for the website I Beat It First. The problem is that I cound't find a source. GuKeltke (talk) 00:23, June 17, 2017 (UTC)
 * I could not find the source either. I can keep looking though. DeCool99 (talk) 00:31, June 17, 2017 (UTC)

Separate Dimensions or Connected Timeline
I'm sure many of you saw the interview of Iizuka where he said that Sonic, his friends, and Eggman live in a different world than the rest of the humans, and were probably just as confused as me… Then comes E3, where during Classic Sonic's boss in Green Hill Eggman calls Classic Sonic a "pint-sized Sonic from another dimension." Should it be taken that Classic and Modern are no longer the same Sonic? I'd hate this, because the lore and story of Sonic was what made me like the character even more.

Are they actually different Sonics or are Iizuka and Eggman just saying things? We seem to be having a dispute over the "Playble Characters" section, anyway… Sonic Hog Speed (talk) 02:48, June 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Old post, but I wouldn't take it literally when Iizuka talks about different worlds in Sonic. I believe he's talking abouts aspects and themes of Sonic as opposed to saying there are different universes that Sonic travels to. Think of it like the Paper Mario series as opposed to the main series, one world, but two very different interpretations of it. Notice when Iizuka answers the question about the moon; he doesn't say anything about it being the human world's moon or that Sonic's world's moon is fully intact, he speaks as if there's one moon for all Sonic games.


 * As for why Eggman said that Classic Sonic was from another dimension as opposed to the past, we'll have to wait and see.  Myself  123  01:17, August 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'd say more, but you said to wait, which is logical… As for the Paper Mario thing… Mairo and Luigi: Paper Jam says "hi"… The Paper Mario world exists in a book that exists in the Mario world. Mario and Paper Mario are two completely different beings that aren't tied by the same stories. Then again, the Mario series seems to reset itself every game based off of Galaxy… so… yeah. Sonic Hog Speed (talk) 06:45, August 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, that can be true - but remember, SEGA and Nintendo are not the same company, let's alone siblings company. There's a jossed in that theory - If Classic Sonic is from another universe, then explain to us why Modern Sonic failed to stop Eggman from take over per SEGA's "Sonic Win, Eggman Loser" rule? FredCat 11:20, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't say they were the same company or even suggested that they're connected. Paper Mario may have been a bad example, but the point still stands: same world, different interpretations.  Myself  123  14:34, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * Then "Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time" would also be a bad example for this logic - it's due to time split after you done beat the boss. As in Modern Sonic's timeline, the world's already under Eggman's control by the time he (Sonic) woke up and found himself in the situation like this.
 * Like I told Lockhqu on his talk page, it's better to wait until the game is released, then we can settle with the possible source of what caused that to happen. FredCat 16:00, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * Why are you bringing up other bad examples? They're completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The OP thought that the interview suggested that the Sonic series takes place on several different worlds, I'm just clearing up the confusion.  Myself  123  16:11, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, you were the one started that discussion at that point. I only claimed that it's just pointless to fight over which theory is correct until the saying game is release. FredCat 21:25, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * I wasn't talking about Sonic Forces or theories though, I'm explaining what Iizuka means when he talks about worlds.  Myself  123  21:29, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright, yeah, wrong example - how about "Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild"? It's a canon game that set after Ocarina of Time, and it seemed to be mix of three timelines (Twilight Princess's landscape, Wind Waker's Koroks, and Link's right-handed from Ganon's Timeline). But if that's still not a good example, then forgive me for bring this one up as well. FredCat 22:28, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * Personally, I kinda hope it's separate dimensions instead of timelines. Time travel's been done to death in this series. Let's switch it up a little. That's just my opinion.PhantomHeartless5 (talk) 01:37, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, in the end, Classic Sonic in this game is, indeed, from another dimension. Lockhqu caught on and confirmed it. FredCat 16:02, September 15, 2017 (UTC)

Writers
Warren Graff says he's writing the game but Shun Nakamura says the "story is being created in Japan". So who's writing what? Is there more than one writer involved? SonicSolSnake (talk) 21:12, July 24, 2017 (UTC)

Tag Team Stages
There is confirmation of Tag Team Stages. Is there any more info about it at this time? More info. There's a hammer weapon for the Avatar/Custom Hero. But which Sonic is working with the Avatar/Custom Hero? InfiniteAnnBeyond (talk) 19:19, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, we have to wait for more info to be honest. The Tag Team stages sound like those extra levels in Sonic Generations with most of the characters. The hammer makes it sounds as if the Blue Cube is back to play. But as usual, this is speculation and we need more information. DeCool99 (talk) 19:38, August 22, 2017 (UTC)

Rouge and E-123 Omega
They are confirmed in "Famitsu's most recent article"? Can we get a translation if they appear in person in the present time or are they only heard from a radio or only mentioned? Can we get a citation of the exact page in question? Some context and elaboration is required. SonicSolSnake (talk) 16:17, August 24, 2017 (UTC)

Promotion
According to this site a Shadow costume is a pre-order bonus as well. Nzambi (talk) 13:08, September 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to add it.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 14:27, September 1, 2017 (UTC)

Silver's Bracelets?
Unsure if this should be in Silver's article, but... I wanna bring this to the mind - First time you saw Silver in the recently revealing trailer, take a close look at his bracelets on his wrists and ank- er, boots. Do you see that? Alright, then look at him at near end of the trailer (where Knuckles throw his fist into the air), what colors are his bracelets? If you caught on, would that mean Silver in the meeting is actually... a traitor? A double-spy agent? Or a robian that looked too real to be "robot"? You can guess it. Well, that's my two cents. FredCat 16:01, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's some new lighting the animators have most likely given him. Later into the video, they glow gold. DeCool99 (talk) 16:05, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright. Just a thought... It's nice to see that they have improved so much since Sonic the Hedgehog'06. FredCat 16:54, September 15, 2017 (UTC)

omega

 * Why was my edit removed when it clearly says here that omega is in the game? User Eggman Fan
 * https://www.sonicstadium.org/2017/09/playable-shadow-the-hedgehog-returns-as-free-sonic-forces-dlc/
 * He's only mentioned. We don't actually see himDeCool99 (talk) 16:33, September 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * It's like there is no "Phantom Bonnie" in Five Nights at Freddy's 3. But yeah, that's pretty much same as Omega until the game's release. Patience is a virtue. FredCat 22:21, September 19, 2017 (UTC)

Reliable source for the Mania-Forces connection?
I've heard mention of Iizuka confirming Classic Sonic being the Sonic we see in Mania but I've not actually seen any real evidence of this, does anyone have a source that can confirm or deny this? Zack1stplayer (talk) 03:53, September 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * Here you go: https://youtu.be/213YuG7gqLQ?t=51m59s DeCool99 (talk) 08:25, September 25, 2017 (UTC)

2 Promotion sections
I don't know if anyone noted, but there's two sections about the game's promotion in the article. GuKeltke (talk) 17:42, October 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Promotion in the Development section is for every piece of information that is revealed up to the release of the game (and a little beyond if necessary). The Promotion section below that is for elements released to promote the game, so they talk about different things. They may overlap, but the lower section is for elaborating on the elements used to promote the game. If a better name for one of them exist however, it would be helpful to hear.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 17:48, October 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, i understand now. Thanks for explaining to me. GuKeltke (talk) 17:57, October 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * NpUltrasonic9000 (talk) 17:59, October 6, 2017 (UTC)

Sonic Forces: Moment of Truth
Is this digital comic can have an article or put it in the Main page? 17:12, October 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * It should have its own page.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 17:16, October 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * No, hold off on it for now. Webber said there'd be a series of mini comics each week. This may have to be laid out like Sonic Comic. DeCool99 (talk) 17:40, October 12, 2017 (UTC)

Sonic Teaches Numbers reference
The Sonic Teaches Numbers reference might also be referring to the few Sonic Educational games out there, possibly Sonic's Schoolhouse, or Sonic X for the Leapster Zack1stplayer (talk) 19:31, October 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Sonic's Schoolhouse perhaps.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 19:32, October 22, 2017 (UTC)

Blitz0248 (talk) 18:49, October 24, 2017 (UTC)This is going to be the best game ever.

Shadow DLC
I'm a little confused about the Shadow DLC, does it come with the downloaded version, pre-ordered, or the physicial copies..... or all three? Don't really understand what the article says about that part......Pikmin theories (talk) 05:14, October 29, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it's just a free separate download that everyone can get. Zack1stplayer (talk) 06:06, October 29, 2017 (UTC)
 * Indeed, Shadow DLC is a free DLC - Sega just want to throw that in, but had no chance to put that in the main game... so... they made it DLC. FredCat 09:51, October 29, 2017 (UTC)

Typo (but the page is locked so I can't fix it)
Can someone with editing rights please fix the line "...Wispon equipped, Avatars can harnesses..." by either removing the word "can" or making the word "harnesses" singular? I can't do this myself because someone seems to have locked the page. (The only way I can view the source doesn't give me line numbers, so if you can't find what line I'm talking about use Ctrl + F and type/paste "Wispon equipped, Avatars can harnesses" into the search.) Zack1stplayer (talk) 00:04, November 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * Done. Nice job spotting it, my dude! - 00:12, November 5, 2017 (UTC)

Mysterious light
When you beat Sonic Forces, the title screen background changes. It goes from a dark Resistance base to a lit one, with the sun shining through it. The thing is, the base was built underground, and the ceiling is closed. Where is that light coming from?! i'm alphonse uprising 04:31, November 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * The roof is open, wait for the camera to pan all the way to the left and look up at the ceiling. Zack1stplayer (talk) 05:43, November 11, 2017 (UTC)

Blitz0248 (talk) 16:18, November 13, 2017 (UTC)Coolest Game Ever.

Episode Shadow & Missing information
I keep hearing "Keep the DLC and Original game separate" and I think, "Okay, yeah, that makes sense," but then instead of separating them, the DLC info is just removed. On top of that, the info isn't even separated as the Shadow exclusive stages are after the main stages but before both the Secret and the EX stages. If you're going to talk about keeping them separate, why not actually do that? That rant aside, we still need somewhere to note which stages can be played with Shadow. Where it should be put I'll leave to the admins. I don't want to be responsible for placing a massive block of info in the wrong place. Zack1stplayer (talk) 10:15, November 21, 2017 (UTC) Also, sorry for being so rude/angry in this.
 * Only Shadow's name was removed from the stages in the Main Game. And for creating the separate paragraph of Shadow's details, I am leave that to Admins as they knew the wikia better than I do. And that take times to cover up. Thank you for speak out about your thought on Shadow section in this article. And I forgive you as well. FredCat 14:38, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

Balkiry
From what I can gather, the enemies that appear in Mortar Canyon are Balkiry, from what I can make out, they're bird-shaped (I played through the level a ton and paused when I could, also closely looked at some videos, haven't been able to get a good-quality screenshot though), and can be homing-attack targeted like any other enemy. I talked to someone who has seen the ripped model of the enemy from the game, but don't have a picture myself, and they MIGHT be labeled as such in the files, but that's just what I assumed from the discussion, can't verify it myself.

I can see if I can get more concrete proof, but I'd just rather not leave information out, the enemies are in the game, so I feel it should be added to the page in some form, even if there's not enough evidence to label them with a name at the moment.

Furthermore, if anyone who has ripped the models or at least viewed them can verify, it'd be much appreciated (as well as verifying the names of the beetle and ostrich badniks, if they're listed). BubbleRevolution (talk) 04:31, December 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * If you can get concrete proof and/or a model of it, then I see no reason to not add it. Still, this is only a safety measure, since, like you said, we cannot be 100% certain of what this enemy is.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 09:36, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

Unnamed Enemies
I noticed a couple of Badniks still haven't been identified. I've just been calling the ostrich Badnik "Egg Ostrich" (I don't think Eggman's ever built another ostrich-themed robot, has he?). As for the beetle robot, I think that's meant to be a militarized version of the Blaster Badnik? They both resemble a cross between a beetle and a tank and have artillery cannons. Devo DrakeFox (talk) 22:10, December 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's true that they were not found at all. But until the official names straight from official site that SEGA produced has confirmed, we are keeping that ways. It's like you have to name "Toy Bonnie" as "Bonnie V2.0" before the release of Five Nights at Freddy's 2. So just leave that be for now. FredCat 22:14, December 28, 2017 (UTC)

Team Sonic?
I've noticed that, in the list of playable and non-playable characters, Shadow, Rouge and Omega are all listed as part of Team Dark, the same with the members of the Chaotix, which is OK for me because they still exist as entities and work together, but why isn't Team Sonic there as well? All three members appear in the game and help each other alongside the rest of the Resistance. It would make sense to list them as members of Team Sonic/Heroes... At least Tails and Knuckles I suppose. Young-and-UpComer (talk) 06:23, January 4, 2018 (UTC)
 * Nope. They aren’t there as Team Sonic. DeCool99 (talk) 09:53, January 4, 2018 (UTC)


 * Like DeCool said, Tails wasn't himself or pulled his stuffs together like in Sonic Heroes. The major of the game Tails did was trying to keep himself from losing his mind and spent his time companying with Classic Sonic. Not working in the team with Sonic and Knuckles. FredCat 10:09, January 4, 2018 (UTC)