Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode I

Hoax?
I have my suspisions about this, if its released 2010, SEGA won't have a game for the 20th anniverery, i think its a wind up by gamespot.  Myself 123  12:03, September 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * I also have suspicions. The "teaser trailer" has no graphics that could not have been slapped together by Gamespot. However, I don't see any particular problems with having a page about it, as long as we make it clear that it was announced solely by Gamespot and that it has not been confirmed by Sega (apart from that one interview, also on Gamespot). Also, it would be good if we could find some secondary sources that suggest it may be a hoax, just for the sake of fairness. There must be some somewhere. -- Supermorff 18:07, September 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Its official. How would it end up on Sega's website anyway? http://www.sega.com/games/project-needlemouse/ http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2009/09/10/fans-take-a-guess-at-project-needlemouse/#more-2722 Sonixrulerz 07:25, September 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * The longer this goes on, the more I'm beginning to accept that it may be real. That said, your first link doesn't seem to have anything to do with Project Needlemouse. It just goes to the main Sega webpage. And the second is purely fan speculation. These don't particularly constitute proof. -- Supermorff 15:47, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Early Bird
Lucky I Searched before I started this article. As for authenticity... GameSpot report.--Mystic Monkey 20:45, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

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 * You made this? You didn't sign in, i'm still spectical though, i guess time will tell.  Myself 123  20:53, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't make it. I was going to because I thought nobody else did, but Searched to check if it's already an article.--Mystic Monkey 21:03, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh right that makes sense.  Myself 123  21:05, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

The reason SEGA is doing this...
...is because the fans control the games. Ever since Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) came out, Sonic's been getting bad ratings, so the fans have been complaining about the mass disappointment of the game. That they want Sonic to "go back to the old days". Well, NOW LOOK WHATCHA DID! Next thing you know SonAmy's gonna become a nightmare come to reality and we'll all hate it. This is just SEGA's way of "Saving Sonic" and it ain't workin'. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  05:29, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

My thoughts exactle shelly, my thoughts exactly-13sonicstar-

its the back of sonics head (just use microsoft paint to zoom in) by darksonic50

You mean the emblem? it's the sonic the hedgehog emblem as seen in sonic 1 upwards.  Myself 123  08:34, September 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Shelly you need to chil for god sake, sonamy wont happen because SEGA use it for comic releif, and do you not want needlemouse then?-- Skyler ' the ' Wasp 20:21, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Eh, I dunno. We don't even know the console it's gonna be on. And as for SonAmy, I just don't get why people support a coupling between a bezerk Sonic fangirl and the Blue Blur himself. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  04:16, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I personally like the idea of a casual romance, rather than all that luvey-dovey junk. I think that would work very well.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 04:20, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

I really don't like SonAmy. If Amy really wanted to be Sonic's boyfriend, she'd learn to ease up. Keep this up and she'll just scare Sonic away completely. She's too clingy. That's why I liked Elise better. But that's just my say. And I wish SEGA wouldn't worry about having to bring Sonic back to the past. His games are doing very well. They keep getting cooler each time. But, if SEGA is behind the Olympic Sonic/Mario crosses, why is Mario's name above Sonic's? --Narutoheroes12 02:20, October 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Alphabetical order.  Myself 123  17:36, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Im gonna say this. You all better god d*mn gratfull for a new sonic game. I hope they just dont have Werehog. This could be one hell of a game, think about it a high def 2D sonic game, thats awsome. I my self im looking forward to this game. Dudes the list gets bigger and bigger for awsome games coming out in 2010 Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker, Metal Gear Solid Rising, Halo Reach and now this. Just reamber guys, Sonic 3 and Knuckles!!!!!!!!

-- 22:05, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

I would like to point out that I used to think like this, too. But the thing is, SEGA isn't going "back to basics" ''permanently. ''We'll still be getting great games like Sonic Unleashed.

-SalaComMander

Who added the characters?
I'm pretty sure no one has confirmed a single character for the game yet. They just announced it. --Narutoheroes12 23:22, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Well...other than Sonic of course... --Vae Infectus 01:54, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

I noticed Sonic's name is on the list, I wouldn't be suprise in the end it is just his name with his shaded face being revealed. But I must admit, that jaggedness next to him, i know what it's suppose to be but it looks more like a pikachu's tail to me, I could be just paranoid and well hope I am wrong about my suspicion. I would IRL cry if this is all a joax--Mystic Monkey  sez 02:30, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

I am worried, I really hope it's not Sonichu I would probably commit Seppuku if it is. The worry is on my mind.--Mystic Monkey  sez 21:20, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

And suicide over a video game? That's a bit exaggerated, wouldn't you say? Herman2000 22:17, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course, you do realize that it's already been confirmed that Sonic will be the only playable character and that there won't be any more new characters in there as well?
 * I can't do Seppeku, Im British. But so far I am accurate with my guesses.--Mystic Monkey  sez 18:23, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

classic Sonic
Can anyone confirm the rumors that Sonic and Robotnik are going back to their original, chubby designs for this game? Sonictoast 15:49, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Dude there not gonna do that!

-- 22:19, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Have you seen them? They're just as fit-looking as ever. No Classic Sonic for you!

-SalaComMander

Sonic Rush Style game
Based on the little info that's here, it looks like they're taking a Sonic Rush type approach, a 2D game with a few 2.5D moments as that seemed to be more successful (Both Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure had decent ratings). As for everything else, plot, characters (other than Sonic), pure speculation. --Vae Infectus 01:14, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Hm, sounds reasonable. 3D side-scrolling game seems like what they're gonna do.--Kagi mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 01:21, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

That and the Werehog gameplay in Sonic Unleashed and Sonic's sword weilding antics in Sonic and the Black Knight weren't too popular --Vae Infectus 23:50, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to see them do it with 3d graphics like the bits in Unleashed.  Myself <font color="Black">123  00:05, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd like to see that too, but with way more speed. In Sonic Unleashed and SatBK, there was a noticeable lag between 3D and 2D speed.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 00:19, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Now I'm usually open-minded with Sonic games, but 3D sidescrolling is what closes it up! Can't people get the fact that it belongs with Smash Bros.? COME ON!!-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 02:03, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

i think a 3D side scroller would work for a sonic game-- Cyrus The  Hedgehog 19:24, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Revival type game
You know, I'm a little suspicious about this. I mean, it could work. But at the same time its sounding like what a lot of old metal bands have been doing, a "revival" of sorts, that usually doesn't work. Hopefully yeah, like others said, a Rush approach would be great.--Halofighter92 17:32, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

3D can be good
SEGA can make a good sonic 3D game,like sonic adventure1 that was good,after needlemouse remake sonic adventure1 & 2.they were good.they could port both games to 360

What about Sonic Unleashed?

-SalaComMander

revival characters
they should bring back characters,here is a list of characters who should be revived.1 fang the sniper 2 mighty the armidillo 3 metal sonic 4 egg robo.user:retardedNHS

What about Ray the Squirrel? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master  19:18, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

What!? no not ray or mighty the bolth suck, if they are gonna revive a character it should be fang the sniper, i mean come on they are bolth cheap ripoffs of sonic, tails and knuckles--13sonicstar F**k you! They're great characters. Though Ray only had one appearence in the games. G30FF!

See its because of retro fans that sonic is going back to its roots,im not saying that i hate those old games but all you did was jump around and run to one direccion, and also mighty and ray didnt have so much personality (only in comics).--13sonicstar--

Well i do agree with you User:13sonicstar -- User:Michaeldragon800

Why thank you, at least someone agrees--13sonicstar--

G30FF: Yeah yeah. (snaps 13sonic's neck) Sonic &amp;  Scrab  Master

Well they should limit the pool of other Sonic characters for this one. One of the problems the Sonic series has had is WAY too many side characters end up taking the spotlight(Sonic 06, for example). I don't mind other characters, Tails should be in there as always, Knuckles & maybe Blaze because everyone loves her and the Rush games.--Halofighter92 07:25, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Definatly Fang, he deserves a revival most. But mighty may return, if a sh**ty character like charmy gets revived then so can ray User:RetardedNHS half past your mum

Download Only
It seems as if there is an increasing chance that this game is download-only. THis game may also be the reason why there were rumours of an HD Wii-- Milo the  echidna  18:38, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm, I think that this game would be a remake of first game Sonic the Hedgehog as guessed then having it for download would be a good mood! Noticed Super Mario Bros for the Wii? It ?!$$€$ me of when critics call Sonic's latest games an "answer" to Mario's games. If Needlemouse is a remake of Sonic 1, yet downloaded for main console than brought in shop then if Needlemouse is an "answer" to SMBwii it won't just be subtle, but also an oppotunity for a new series of Sonic games for sequals like Sonic the Hedgehog 2 or 3/ plus if it sucks, won't directly critisize the main Sonic games. My oppinion though.--<font color="#66DDAA">Mystic Monkey  sez 02:25, January 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nonsence this game is not going to be a remake of the first Sonic game, Besides they say its going to be a BRAND NEW 2D Adventure, Meaning its going to be a new adventure, not a remake. -- User:Michaeldragon800

I'm pretty sure it will only be downloadable. I doubt Sega would sell 2D gameplay games in boxes now, except for Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure. But those two games were made for the DS, so people couldn't download them into their DS. Maybe it will be downloadable to the DSi and Wii. Xsonicdragon 05:11, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

I maybe on the Nintendo Wii at the time when I written my thoughts before, but it looks a bit different from what I remember saying. Could of been Wii frikked it up, but I believe it won't be a remake of Sonic 1 but a new story entirely, but based after genesis times as in the return of the badniks and Sonic Rush gameplay.--<font color="#66DDAA">Mystic Monkey  sez 18:30, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nailed it.--<font color="#66DDAA">Mystic Monkey  sez 23:02, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Logo comparison
I was looking at the Needlemouse logo and suddenly thought the logo looked similar to the 1991 Sonic game logo, I went in to paint and put the the two pictures together so you can judge for yourself. - RASICTalk 15:19, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

The day I saw the picture at the bottom, I knew it looked the the 1991 Sonic logo. I still think SEGA's just setting fans up for disappointment, and pretty much nothing anyone can say will change my mind. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 04:02, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Oops, looks like Shelly was wrong.

-SalaComMander

Small Problem
We have a tiny hiccup at the Sonic Stadium: There's some kind of war going on. Which means we might not get the news until later. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

It's an Shellcracker...
Please i need to shove it in your face? (Look at the details CAREFULLY) and read the (カニパンチ) an Punch Crab, Shellcracker japanese name on the pic. CookiePinguy 20:33, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Only Sonic?
Okay, we all know that Sonic is going to be playable, but I think we all were specting at least two characters, I mean... If they were rejecting characters, they should say at first that only one character is going to make it to the game...

If they have done that, It should be pretty obvious...

Still, I like the idea of a 2-D game

And they said in the final post that Sonic is indeed the only player character and an the only character to make to the game (excepting Dr. "Eggman" Robotnik, probabbly). They said it was an return to the roots, and the root of roots is an Sonic game vs Robotnik and his badniks, that until now is that what P. Needlemouse seems to be. --CookiePinguy 10:55, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * The whole thing was just to "troll" a little with purists that can't see characters like Big in a sonic game, and an exelent marketing scheeme to make people know about P. Needlemouse and Sega's channels of information.

WHAT?! JUST SONIC, no one else?!?! I knew this game was going to be a rip-off! Thanks, but no thanks, Sega! Two words for ya: EPIC! FAIL!! -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 06:59, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Oh come on Shelly just because Sonic is the only palyable character in this game does'nt mean its going to suck. -- User:Michaeldragon800

really who did'nt see that it would be just sonic? Cyrus The  Hedgehog 11:17, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Shelly, i think it's obvious you are from another generation of sonic fans (i was 6 when i played the first sonic ever), some of the new games, for me aren't like the old ones they have too much cutsceen and the gameplay focus in just being fast on almost an single line with a bit of plataforming here and there, nothing like the simple fun of exploring big stages on sonic's shoes. But you know i still love some new games like Rush Adventure and others. Give it a try you may like it and have fun like i had when i was an child, you know because even if our tastes are very diffrent, we have something important in common, the love to run with sonic shoes with an plastic controler. CookiePinguy 19:53, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

This game was aimed at the classic gamers, Shelly, the ones who grew up with him. There's only so much Sega can do to please all of the fans. Now, they're focusing on older ones. Ash-Kun 23:42, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

It's more like 2.5D (3D graphics with 2D gameplay), as for some characters not being included, it is understandable as Amy didn't catch up with Sonic until Sonic Adventure and Shadow isn't released from his prison until Sonic Adventure 2.

If were going with continuity then should Dr. Eggman be called Dr. Robotnik? He isnt Dr. Eggman until Sonic Adventure 1 or something, In my opinion the continuity here is already taking something of a running jump... that and I miss being able to play as Shadow. Ouroboros Omega 23:36, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

This game
i probably might buy this game but if all games are like this from here on out, with sonic being short and fat and eggman being robotnik and nobody talking and especially the lack of story, i just might not play sonic anymore =( -13sonicstar-

As if someone cared... Just buy the ones you like. CookiePinguy 20:30, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

ok for starters its my opinion and second i like the retro sonic games but i just think that they are past their time, just compare sonic unleashed and sonic 1, now if sega gets the idea and meets the miidle for bolth types of fans they wouldent have gone thorugh all that trouble and make retro sonic games and 3d sonic games-13sonicstar-

You people make a mess of everything, As if the characters talking or not matter, as if the good old doc use "Robotnik" or "Eggman", the only problem the games have is gameplay issues and how the games are made. Belive me, no one bitching how silly Mario characters are, the game is fun and fluid an that's what matter. Sonic should follow the same way, investing in gameplay whatever it has big or silver or whatever. --CookiePinguy 20:36, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

the Sonic the Hedgehog Game thing fits inside of the Needlemouse logo witch mean that it must Be Sonic

the Hedgehog (I hope its like Super Mario Bros Wii) Nero the Hedgehog  Lets Rock...  07:55, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

The only reason why Sega is doing this game is because they felt jealous because Nintendo was making New Super Mario Bros. Wii-Ohmygod123

Sega is an business corporation, not an angry kid, belive me that's the least of their reasons. CookiePinguy 20:02, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Could be. This is supposed to be like a blast from the past to alot of the classic gamers. Its much hyped, and to say the least, I'm thinking its going to be far from what New Super Mario Bros. Wii is. I'm having a bit of a time trying to piece together what you guys are on about. Ash-Kun 23:35, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

This game is likely to be canceled
On the account that this game is not going to be pleasing anyone. At all. Apparently, some of the hardcore fans couldn't even recognize the title logo from the golden days. The problem isn't so much of the quality of the games themselves as it is the fanbase itself having impossibly high standards for every single solitary new entry into the franchise, expecting everything to live up to the 'good old days'. Cause y'know, it could only be good if it's 2D and nothing else. But even arises to the problem that even those this game is going to be 2D, the impossibly high expectations rise about this BECAUSE it's 2D. Because people are going to want something that is exactly like those old games. And when people do it play, guess what happens: ''IT'S NOTHING LIKE TEH ORIGINALZ!1 IT SUX TEH OL GAYMZ WER BETR'. Sega tries and tries their best to please. Always doing something new and different with each game, but to no avail. ''

But what's the point? Even with Sonic Unleashed's success, it'll be futile in the end as the 'hardcore' gamers are naught but solely intent on hating everything that's new. It comes to a point that we must ask ourselves: How many of us are even fans anymore? How many of us are just being hypocritical bundles of misery with impossibly high standards trying to pass ourselves off as 'true fans' who know naught but hate? Why should our fanbase had to have mutated into a cesspool of hate over one single solitary game and how a character's voice sounds? Seriously? What happened? That was nearly four years ago. We are no longer in the 90s. This is the here and now and Sonic is making a good comeback. If you want Sonic to be good again, stop amountin' everything to the first three games. The whole main point of Sonic is the thrill of speed, not copy-pasta over nostalgia. Kaihedgie 22:38, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I highly doubt it's going to be cancelled. If they cancelled games because people are being pissy about what they supposedly like, no game since, say, Heroes would have been made anymore at all. They do keep on making this though, because of the undoubtedly high potential of cashing in big time with this title. The likelyhood for cancellation is not any higher than with any other title here. Herman2000 22:47, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

But the problem is, is that everyone has completely different opinions about how this and that should be done, all with ridiculous standards. There's no way to fulfill everyone's wishes and then get some significant backlash these days. Not only do you have the 'hardcore' gamers that want only Sonic and Eggman, you also have other 'hardcore' people who want their favorites in the game, which amounts to a heated conflict about who wants what Kaihedgie 22:50, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

"all with ridiculous standards". Just because one small group of idiots scream doesn't mean it represents everyone.

I think your mixing every oldschool sonic fan into the same bag, every series (not just in video-games) have it's "purists", an Sonic isn't an expetion there are Sonic 1 purists that think only Sonic/Robotnik, Sonic 2 purists that can't see sonic with green eyes, SATAM purists that somehow think the game's universe it the same and always bitch about Robotnik. The truth is that "Sonic Team" over the years changed too much, and the quallity of the games was always decressing in general, Bad and faulty gameplay for an standart name in plataforming that was in the level of the mighty Super Mario, and maybe better in some minds, and Sega's business model on nowadays focus too much on unnecessary things like creation of character just to make innocent children go "OH MY GOD NEW GUY" without propose instead of using an steady group of character and create character if one paper was needed like in old games and not exagerate, (We need an rival, we need Knuckles. for example. In Unleashed Chip could be an better character if he did only the paper needed to that story, the paper of Light Gaia, Sonic sidekick we already have Tails.) Sega just care now to make quick buck with low quallity tittles. in general people want an 2-D sonic because it worked, if sega cared to make an quallity tittle on par for example Mario Gallaxy, only those small group of purists would scream and bitch, belive me. And if Needlemouse it's an 2-d classic sonic-like (alternative ways, pinball mechanics, focus on mommentum, basics of Mega Drive sonic games) it will be good game even if it isn't as good like the "almighty Sonic 2" people will like it and only stupid purits will scream there. If you find hard to belive, just see good recent example that seperated real old fans from fanboys (read "hateboys"), Mega Man 9 and New Super Mario Bros. Wii, it's was generally acepted with so much people and financial sucesses, and yes purists did scream (and some scream really high like some IGN guy stating that "Nintendo was lazy") and people forgot and didn't care and continued to play CookiePinguy 12:50, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Ok you may say "Mario was always good", but Mega Man no, and it was (and it's still is a bit) in the same position as Sonic in recent times, good game here and there, but generally quick buck products (It's Capcom). CookiePinguy 12:57, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

The question is, will it work now?? Expectations are, as I've said, are ridiculous. It will most likely never live it up to mundane standards. Apparently, it's cool to hate. Of course, Sonic 06 was bad, but people also like to apparently forget about the Rush and Rival series, both of which were 2D, and yet ended up overshadowed by tard rage. The Dark Brotherhood was also fairly good as well and of course the inception of Sonic in the Smash series. So no, it doesn't matter. At all. People will rage and moan and whine, and this small portion is growing. Kaihedgie 18:11, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Y'know, the points "CookiePinguy" itself could be seen as a perfectly fine example of what "Kaihedgie" is trying to say… Herman2000 00:10, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

it seem's to me that sega are not taking time to ask the players what they would like to see within a sonic game. i personally would like to see a sonic game like SA but enable's the player to be able to create and custemize their own character. who woulden't like to play as there favorate character or even there own character. Cyrus The  Hedgehog 00:34, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea, but it's just too good to be true. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 03:42, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Taking ideas from the fans, as I've said, is not a good idea at all. Tempting as it maybe, there are too many idealistic suggestions that conflict with each other, some vocal and others adamant about it. It just wouldn't work. Kaihedgie 07:44, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

@Herman2000, See you already joined me in the "same bag" club, just because i think Sonic have some defects now, doesn't mean i hate them and doesn't mean that the old ones are 100% perfect. Maybe because you don't know me, and that understandable. I have various of those games, from Sonic Heroes to Sonic Unleashed, some i bought at full price when they were released, and for me they were all good purchases, some even love on par of the old games, when some kids come to home asking if they can play them, i don't act like an priest and say that they are evil or something, i showed both old and new games to them and they loved every single of them, i have friends from that era too that loved Unleashed for example. and I have an feeling that i will like Project Needlemouse whatever things wrong it have.

And @Shelly the Hedgehog, you said probabbly that about the "cancelation" of Project Needlemouse, considering your words up there, if not then i'm sorry and ignore this. May because your an kid/teen and all and nothing is wrong about that, but your acting like those "elitists" that bash a game without knowing much about it and without EVEN trying, like those people that say bad things about the sonic games you like, be carefull with that. CookiePinguy 10:44, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

HyperHarry: I dont think that Project Needlemouse should be cancelled because is'nt it what all Sonic fans wanted for a long time, around 10 years in fact. So you should let SEGA take there time and see what comes out in the end


 * @CookiePinguy: I was merely stating that what you said is an example of many different fans having very varying ideas of how a Sonic game should work. In effect, that is exactly what Kai was talking about, nothing more. This was not meant as an attack at all. Herman2000 18:45, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Some bugs
Hello, I work for Sega, Josh Spencer. I wish to share with you that Project Needlemouse has MILLIONS of bugs. It'll be delayed for quite some time. You guys shouldn't even know about it. Yet.

O.K. forgeting that needlemouse exists....now. what were we talking about Cyrus The  Hedgehog 13:25, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Mhm, because everyone can just come out and claim they work for a company without any proof whatsoever and will be expected to be believed. If the fans aren't supposed to know about this game yet, how come the Teaser Trailer was released? How come that on the OFFICIAL SEGA-USA blog we get a tad bit of new information? All inexplicible occurences or what? I don't believe this guy one single bit. Herman2000 18:47, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, so you work for SEGA? Can you prove it, then? -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 03:14, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

If you really do work for sega,proove it.Send us a video of the game in action.-Ohmygod123

New Console
I hear that SEGA's going to make a new console for Project Needlemouse. It's called a "Ringedge". It looks like a cross between a Wii and those old computer hard drives. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Nice!! The Dreamcast of the next generation! -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 03:30, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Cool55 skcoR ezalB 19:33, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Well, this game does mark the aneversarry of the Dreamcast. Some people sometimes call it the Dreamcast 2. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Wait, so we'll have to buy a new console to play Project Needlemouse? Shima the Hedgehog 03:54, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

I just heard it. I never said it was true. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

I hope it isn't. I can't afford to buy another system...Shima the Hedgehog 04:24, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

(arms folded) I can. I could afford 2 Gamecubes, 2 XBoxes, a Wii, an XBox 360, a PS2, a PS1, a PS3. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

I doubt that it'll be on RingEdge, because I read that there's already a game for that console SEGA developed called "Border Break". And, on a side note, I'm not gonna get one, I don't think, but I'd like to get a PS1, so I could play Wild Arms and Wild Arms 2 XD -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 04:42, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

I want a Nintendo Power Glove. It's true that Nintendo 'does do some things that SEGA don't. But the Game Gear has a special app that allows you to watch TV, something not even the DSi and PSP today can't even do. Yeah, I got two DSi's as well. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

* shakes head* I just don't believe this. Not only are they going backwards now, but they are also making Sonic the only one playable! AND it's a possibility there's 3D sidescrolling (getting this from a few headers above this one)! I know, I own New Super Mario Bros. for DS, but, although I like it, the 3D sidescrolling is a minus to me like it was with the parts of Sonic Unleashed that were like that. I'm sorry, Sega, but I'll have to pass for until you go back to REAL 3D platforming... or at least add another game with more playable characters (I'll even accept a playable Eggman!)! Until then, I wash my hands of Project Needlemouse. In my mind, it now no longer exists.-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 05:25, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Finally, someone agrees with me! *Hi-5's Akamia* -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 05:32, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

All the games from Sonic 3D to that new SEGA all star racing game. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Also, if you want to play as Eggman, there's this hack on Sonic Retro that let's you play Sonic 1 as Eggman. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

as long as it dosen't do the same thing as unleashed were you had to collect them freakin medal's to get to new stage's i don't what it look's like or plays like Cyrus The  Hedgehog 18:33, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

I liked collecting the medals. Gave me more a sense of adventure as well as finding those upgrades. That's why I chose the 360 version. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

You have a 360! do you have xbox live?

21:18, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

iv got the 360 version meself i just find it tedius to collect the medal's i always thought that was mario's thing Cyrus The  Hedgehog 21:21, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

No. I don't have an XBox Live. And I liked the medals and I was hoping they'd bring back Chip, Marine, and give Shade a voice actor. And bring back the Chaotix, they're extremly funny. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Just so you can get your facts straight -- Ringedge is a trademark relating to Arcade-machine-hardware, making it highly unlikely that Needlemouse will come out for that system, considering its slated for a Download-only-release. Herman2000 22:50, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Remember, not much info was given about Project Needlemouse. They said it might. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Leaks
Anyone here has heard about the incredible leaks this game is getting?-- BigBoss  58  16:26, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sonic The Hedgehog 3 And Knuckles
All I want is a game like Sonic The Hedgehog 3 And Knuckles that was one of the best 2D games ever the others being Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake.

18:48, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

So that means you're an old-school Sonic fan, right? Have you heard about the leaks?-- BigBoss  58  10:13, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Looks like this game is set sometime in-between Sonic and Knuckles and Sonic Adventure. Vae Infectus 14:04, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion?
Shouldn't this page be used for discussion of the article content as opposed to personal opinions? That's what we got forums for… right? Herman2000 21:37, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

No. This is what these palk pages on the articles are for. To talk about that certain article. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master `

Heheh, palk page. And I beleive this game will come out, but past of me is convinced this will be like Sonic X-Treme.Riot\AU 00:27, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

That game was never released! It was canceled and replaced with Sonic 3D Blast. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

I think that's what he means. As in, "the past of him is convinced this game will be cancelled". - Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 04:00, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

It was fun to a degree, but the controls were horrible. And to quote Eggman from Archie (talking about 06) "The controls are horendous! I should have spent more time in development!" Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

It most likly wont be like Sonic 3D or the cancled Sonic X-Treme

01:08, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Of course! It's a new 2D game. Of course it won't be like Sonic 3D Blast of Sonic X-Treme. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Yeah I agree with lone wolf (thats my nick name for 58) Sonic 3D was extremely boring and no I dont think im an old sonic fanboy, I like sonic adventure 1 and 2 also even though I never played sonc 2006 im sure it was a bad ass game and dont know why everyone talks trash about it?

18:05, January 28, 2010 (UTC) `

I think it's probely something to compete with New. Super Mario Bros. Wii.Riot\AU 23:13, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

In Sonic '06, Sonic moved extremely slow (slower than in Sonic Labrinyth and 3D Blast), there were many glitches, all lot of uneeded open space, many unfair deaths, bad storyline, the Chaos Blast move was almost useless, Elise kissed a dead, blue animal on the lips (sonic), the dummy ring attacks from Tails can cause confusion when you get hit and your trying to get your rings back, when Omega moves his joints sound like real machines which makes it annoying, and the characters hardly sound like they have any emotions, and horrible controls (read Archie Free Sonic Comic Day '08 or '09 when Eggman says "I should have spent more time in development"), after beating the final boss time resets (Why did time restart after all those unfair death?! All that hard work and it didn't even happen!), and HUGE plotholes! Did I leave anything out? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

nope you hit the nail so hard the wood split Cyrus The  Hedgehog 00:06, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Cool! I'll have to give myself a (words form overhead) Prrrrrrrrrrrrrromotion! (pushes the word "Promotion" away) (pulls a medal out of thin air and slaps it on chest) Sonic &amp;  Scrab  Master

Slow? did he start slow or was the game just slow paced and I guess if sonic team would have spent as much time on the game play as they did with the graphics it would be a good game. Explane these plot holes?

06:17, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

For example: If Elise had a Chaos Emerald for Ten years, then how were Sonic and his friends able to collect the seven Chaos Emeralds? And if Mephiles could merge with Iblis in the future, why didn't he do it then and destroy everyone? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Actually, I believe that Sonic 06 is non-canon for a few reasons. What do you think? And Sonic is not slow in Sonic 06, the game is pretty good but not the story.-- BigBoss  58  08:39, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

That was an emerald from the future, right? And he might of gotten to Iblis to late (which explains why he was with Silver and Blaze for that chicken speech) or one of the emeralds were destroyed/shattered.

Let me rephrase that, all characters except Blaze moves extremely slow. '06 is canon since it's part of the main series. Sonic does moves slow (not counting the mach soeed stages and the blue chip) Sonic &amp;  Scrab  Master

Shouldn't all of the above discussion be moved to, I dunno, this? Herman2000 22:21, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

don't worry herman-san these thing's are tied to needle mouse. ie if sega does any of these thing peaple are gonna be p***ed Cyrus The  Hedgehog 22:45, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. But I don't think Project Needlemouse will ever stack up to Unleashed. That was the perfect Sonic game. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

ill agree the game play and story where good. there's nothen better than charging strait though a bunch of robot's at high speed Cyrus The  Hedgehog 00:35, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

So you mean you didn't like the Werehog or even SUPER SONIC!? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

the were hog gameplay is good as well even if it is rippin off knucklehead a little and supersonic i don't really know i haven't got that far Cyrus The  Hedgehog 00:42, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

I love the Werehog. And peice of advice for Super Sonic: if you fill up Super Sonic's life bar, you get an extra life. I beat the game and got a maximum of 99 lives. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

I think Sonic 2006 was a step in the right direction. The thing is, Sega didn't give the team enough time to work out the kinks. If they had, it would have been Sonic's best game to date. Makes you wonder whether this crap was done on purpose, including Genesis and Unleashed... Did anyone on this page who bashes 2006 actually play it?

Come to think of it, most of the 3D games bring something to the table, but totally botches something else. I see 2006 as a good game with a lot of potential, mired down in a lot of crap that could have been fixed.

(Ghaleonh41 03:02, January 30, 2010 (UTC))

Simple. Change title. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

New title
Because Sega is going to announce the official name of the game, some admin who has access to the wiki code to the menu at the front needs to change it to the correct link when the page is created (additionally we need to add the redirect)-- Milo the  echidna  21:59, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Who knows how to change the text? It's gettin' kinda hard to read. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

sonic the hedgehog 4? im actually quite surprized-- Cyrus The  Hedgehog 13:47, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

I'm wondering: if this takes place after Sonic & Knuckles, do any of the other games like Sonic Adventure 1 and Sonic Heroes even exist?! Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

I don't believe it necessarily means that. It most likely takes place before those games (like a "lost prequel").Shadow34 00:19, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Shadow34

like the star war's: force unleased Sledge The  Hedgehog  23:36, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly.Shadow34 00:39, February 17, 2010 (UTC)User:Shadow34

Congrats
Congratualations SEGA, for putting up with the whining for almost a decade! Now you've shutup alot of critics!-- Milo the  echidna  01:27, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

But if I know one thing, it's that they won't be able to shut up those idiots and IGN. You can't spell ignorance without IGN, right? Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Well not all of them anyways. -- User:Michaeldragon800

Exactly! (hi-five) Sonic &amp;  Scrab  Master

Ok, what are the odds that everyone at IGN is ignorant? (But we at least know that Hilary Goldstein is.)

-SalaComMander

Super Sonic
I hope sega comes to their senses and allows the player to be super sonic in any level after getting all emeralds (or hyper sonic with all super emeralds, who knows?). And keep a last zone for super sonic like in sonic 3 and knuckles. If not then this game in my eyes will never be a true Sonic 4

13:43, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

I believe in SUper Sonic, but I think we won't see Hyper Sonic again unless Angel Island or the Master Emerald is under direct threat. Thats my theory on the Super Emeralds.--<font color="#66DDAA">Mystic Monkey  sez 20:07, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

an old nemesis?
i think metal sonic may make a apperance. as on the website it's say's " Eggman revisits - and improves - the very best of his creations to defeat our spiked hero." metal was considered his greatest creation if im not mistaken Sledge The  Hedgehog  14:54, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

What has happened here?
Okay. The only thing I seem to be understanding by this talk page is that Sonic fanboys are the 2nd most psychotic of all. (1st being DBZ.) Anyway, I like just about any Sonic game for probably 1 main reason: I don't set my expectations astronomically high. I liked Heroes and even, yes, Sonic '06.

Back on topic: Sonic 4 is a must-DL for me. Almost any 2D sidescroller is fun to me. Though, to be honest, I probably would have preferred to have Tails and Knuckles playable (a la Sonic Advance 1, a good game as well) as well. Sabre Knight 19:31, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Are You Thinkin What I'm Thinkin
Maybe Sonic the Werehog may get in there in a night stage?WHAT!!! 14:11, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

No, that's extremely improbable. However, SEGA has announced that the Werehog will return someday, and I'm looking forward to it.

-SalaComMander

Lets hope so. I'm prayin' my brother, that the Werehog will return to us someday. Hallelujha! Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

It's not a matter of "if", but "when" and "HOW THE HELL?", since, the ending to Sonic Unleashed pretty much...yeah.

-SalaComMander

Unlikely as Sonic 4 is set before Sonic UnleashedVae Infectus 15:11, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

S-Sonic 4?!
It's taking place directly after Sonic & Knuckles?! That really does change things... I'll keep to my previous arguments, but I must know what happened next!-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 01:11, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

The Leaked video Is Uncool
We might as well, at least for now. I don't think it's your fault, 58. People have ways of retrieving info over the internet, you just happened to be one of them. -- Shelly ' the ' Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey! 03:21, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't get to see it it wouldn't come up55 skcoR ezalB 19:32, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

...the "Alpha Leak" video, you mean? Well, it's not like we'll be taking it down for good, just until (or possibly sometime before) the game is available. -- Shelly   the  Hedgehog  I'm not a monkey!  02:48, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Previous Islands
Do we really need to start new articles for the new Zones? Because they are very simular to past levels from the first few Sonic games (prequals to Sonic 4) that they might as well be clipped onto already existing articles we have now. Whats your verdict? Of course it's acceptable more Zones would be added (probably more than 3 to make an emerald oppotunity for each Zone) but just wondering if these new Zones would need there own articles or be clipped on to existing ones.--<font color="#66DDAA">Mystic Monkey  sez 19:37, February 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Give them all their own articles (except Special Stage), doesn't matter if they're short. -- Supermorff 19:43, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Nah I don't think they need there own articlesI Gotta Be So Much More Then This 19:59, February 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay then, let's just merge every slightly similar article together then, shall we? These Zones have different settings, different names, appear in a different game, and frankly you have no idea just how similar they might be to existing Zones until the game is actually released. By all means, mention the similarities in the existing pages. Provide a link. But different Zones go in different articles. -- Supermorff 20:09, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

OKI Gotta Be So Much More Then This 14:38, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

No! Thats not what SNN does, have we gotten lazy. WE MAKE THERE OWN ARTICLES! Now will people find the zones easy and just becuse they have simmaler names or theme does not mean they arint a diffrent zone altogther. 02:56, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

What about such Zones as Mecha Green Hill Zone or Neo Green Hill Zone? They look a bit different from the original but also have different names. Does that mean they must be seperated too?--<font color="#66DDAA">Mystic Monkey  sez 02:07, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

I hope that this game will feature a somewhat detailed story like Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood, and have decent gameplay in it, otherwise I may not call it something that can help regain the Sonic series honor. Sonic '06 pretty much killed the series honor, and the series has been getting bad reviews since then, like Shelly said. Sonic Rush had some promise because it revived the classic feel and gameplay to the series for a brief time, and even added new features that made the gameplay even more fun, such as the dash and trick techniques. From what I can see in some of Sonic 4's screenshots, the game looks a lot like a modernized Sonic Rush game, and I'm hoping that Sonic 4 will be just like that, because Sega will need to bring back some old school formula's back to the series and add some new ones that will fit in with the old formulas perfectly, if it wants to get somewhere decent with future Sonic games, including Sonic 4. And by "formulas", I mean that Sega will need to bring back everything that made the first Sonic games such a hit, and apply new techniques to the gameplay (Like they did with the Sonic Rush series) which will help perfect the old ones while adding new elements to the gameplay. Once again, I think that if Sega wants to regain the Sonic series honor, then it will have to bring back some old school formulas that they used in the older games and modernize them. Phoenix the Cat <font color="#ff0000">The flames reborn....  20:59, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry gensjs but, NOPE. Just give me a remake of Sonic 3&K with new and even bigger zones with the abillaty to use super sonic in any level, thats what I want. 21:07, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I also prefer a Sonic game with little to no plot like Sonic 3 and Knuckles.--<font color="#66DDAA">Mystic Monkey  sez 22:37, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oh and mystic, yes neo green hill zone sould be seperated from green hill zone. 21:09, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

the iPod Touch and iPhone
seriously, I am getting POed at the people who keep editing the page saying that it is unconfirmed, the official site's code shows that it is in fact the iPhone and this was found out a LONG time ago, is there something we can do about these people?

Oh, wow. I didn't know that, man. Sorry. I was one of the people doing that. Seriously, though, not everyone goes in and checks the code of a website. Maybe you could put in a note about that in parentheses on the page, saying where it was found. Aakid1995 07:24, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea how to add a reference tag, so here is the link

http://www.sonicstadium.org/news/exclusive-sonic-the-hedgehog-4-coming-to-iphone-all-versions-out-2010

E.G.G. Station Zone
It was confirmed by the achievement list, I would add it as a reference to it on the page but I am a nub at wiki and don't know how, here is the link

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/sonic-the-hedgehog-4-episode-1/achievements/

Wow, that website shows the achievement, clear all acts as Super Sonic. That means we can play as Super Sonic in this game on all the acts!--Xsonicdragon 04:20, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Fans threaten to Boycott Sonic 4... by Purchasing Sonic 1?
I'm dead serious about this. People are going this far just to boycott this game...and boy is it something to laugh at. Just look on youtube.

User:Nathbud789

My friend told me about this, I found it hilarious, there are so many things wrong with it, I mean first off we don't know enough to say is sucks, in fact the devs making it have a lot of great sonic titles under their belt (advance series and rush series), secondly it makes no sense to boycott a game by buying a product from the same company. "We hate you and we are not going to buy your game, so here is our money for your other game." I swear people are getting stupider every day.

Its just like what P. T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute." Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

I really don't see what is wrong with the upcomming game. In fact, I'd say those boycotters are not just idiots but very selfish since this is what fans have asked for to begin with! For ages fans have asked Sega to make a game thats just classic, and now that Sega have given what the fans wants, what nerve to disregard it and what stupidity to play on the original games as a sort of excuse.

OK yes, I do have one critism to Sonic 4 and that I believe the levels are too olskoo to a limit I suggested that the upcomming Zones be attached to already existing articles (as said fourth messages up). They could at least stick to the theme of the old zones than just directly copying them.

Anyway I understand that it's stupid to play first Sonic games to spite Sega, but I also see it as selfish.--<font color="00FF69">Mystic Monkey  sez 21:38, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

This is crazy! So the fans are boycotting SEGA... by supporting it? Man! How f**ked are these guys?!?!?!?! Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

maybe there trying to brakrup sega? Sledge The  Hedgehog  21:58, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

HOW?!?!?!?! Sonic &amp;  Scrab  Master

game's are very expensive to make. which is why new game's are so expenvise so the company can make a profit and stay in buisness. sonic 4 is being sold on xbox live, the psn, ect, ect and are split into episode i think im right in saying. if sonic 1 is what boycotter's are gonna buy they will probably get it for say 5 maybe 10£/$. this would cause sega to lose profit, which in turn would cause future sonic game's to suck epic toe and eventually lead them to bankrupsy Sledge The  Hedgehog  22:16, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sledge, you realize games made for services such as Xbox live Arcade have much lower budgets, not to mention this game is $5 and sonic 1 is $5, they wouldn't loose any money, all these idiots will still be giving the same amount of money to sega.

But... but...but... (deep voice from the commercial) SEGA DOES what Nintendon't! Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A CONSOLE MAN!! nintendoes as does sony and microsoft. let's face sega hasen't been taken seriously since the dreamcast Sledge The  Hedgehog  22:30, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

But Sonic Unleashed was the best game ever. The werehog was totally awesome. And Chip was hilarious. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

agreed. but but there are some who dislike the game though Sledge The  Hedgehog  22:43, March 17, 2010 (UTC)