Board Thread:Sonic News Channel/@comment-24560510-20140217220116/@comment-26808654-20140813042013

Godhand1999 wrote: Evtini200 wrote:

MauriceOgilvieSonic wrote:

1. When Tails is attack by Cubot in a crab body (Lost World)

2. When Tails was trapped by the fake animal pod (Lost World)

3. When Amy was being held at gun point by Eggman (Adventure 2)

4. When Sonic tried to chase after Metal Sonic who kidnapped Amy (CD)

5. During the race against Metal Sonic (CD)

6. When Elise was moment away from crashing (2006)

7. When Sonic tried to escape with Elise from Eggman (2006)

8. Every time sensitive stage.

If he really could be that fast, don't you think he'd do it any of those times? 1 and 2. Sub-par reactions does not equal sub-light speed. Sonic was clearly not moving at his fastest speed on either occasion.

3. Plot instructive so that Sonic would be seen using Chaos Control with a fake emerald.

4 and 5. Fact: Sonic beat Metal in the race (also Metal's intangible when he first grabs Amy as Sonic can jump into him as soon as he shows up and not do anything).

6. Sonic 06 is poorly written.

7. Sonic 06 is POORLY written.

8. Are you sh*tting me?

Now, time for my own list to why he can go light speed and beyond.

1. Sonic Adventure, Adventure 2 and Unleashed all state the Light Speed Dash is light speed. In Sonic Heroes and Generations he can do that without Light Speed Shoes, and the Light Speed Attack in the former.

2. In Sonic Unleashed, the SPD from checkpoints and even the speed meter in the corner show Sonic can outpace said Light Speed Dash casually.

3. In Shadow's introduction in Sonic Adventure 2, he warped past Sonic but were clearly moving at the same speed.

4. In Sonic Colors Omega states Sonic would at the very least be able to surpass light speed at his current rate (and it was right after a mission which forces him to slow down). Sonic called light speed small time/no challenge thereafter.

5. In Sonic Colors, Sonic caught a Cyan Wisp when it had been described as uncharacteristically shining and was called the Cyan Laser after it flew into him.

6. In Sonic Generations, Tails confirmed Sonic's speed was able to alter time and space.

7. In Sonic Colors 2- I mean Lost World, Sonic can outpace lasers in the casino level. "Oh GAWD! Tails/Elise/Amy are in danger! Better not got at light speed."

I'm not the only one who finds that weird? Now if Sonic can travel at faster than light speeds and the stages are just slowed down so that we can see what's going on, then Sonic's reflexes are ridiculously fast. So when Tails was attacked and getting trapped in Lost World, Sonic should've been able to notice and prevent it from happening if his reflexes are fast enough to avoid obstacles at light speed. That means either:

A). Sonic can't reach light speed.

B). Sonic didn't really care about what happened to Tails.

Anyhow, on to your stuff:

1. Just cause it has Light Speed in the name doesn't mean it's light speed. What about Knuckle's Meteor punch (think it was punch)? Or thunder shot? Or Chaos Magic? Or Light Shield? Or psychic knife? Or Meteor Mash?

2. I'm not entirely sure what those are as I haven't played the game in a few years. I'm not going to say you're wrong though.

3. Clearly, no. They were going in opposite directions with a slowed down effect. If Shadow were really warping during that moment he'd be on top of the building and Shadow can clearly keep up with Sonic with or without an Emerald via jet boots, the things he uses to move faster.

4. To quote Myself "Omega said Sonic may be able to pass light speed. I'm also pretty sure Sonic was just bragging. Much like how a buff guy would say "I'm strong enough to life mountains." You know he really can't, he's just bragging about how strong he is.

5. Even when using the Cyan wisp "light speed" powers you still aren't going at light speed. While in laser form the other enemies will still move at the same pace, meaning you just traveled at a slightly faster speed than normal. Unless the robots also have light speed and just use it to pace around.

6. How fast does one need to be to alter time and space in a world where there is no time or space? There's no real science behind it because White Space doesn't exist within time or space.

7. That would imply the whole stage is in light speed and just slowed down so we can see it. If that were true, the gravity in that world is incredible as Sonic in a slowed down light speed falls at a normal rate. It also means everything else there is moving at light speed, including the rolling coins and robots. It also means the whole stage was completed in less than a second.

Either Sonic can't move at Light Speed, or everyone and their mother has light speed travel. Agian Lost World is a poorly written game...The writers had no idea what the f**k Sonic was capable of...Sonic is capable of moving FTL but half the sh*t you said Sonic moving at mach speed is more then enough to perform those instances. BTW That part where Tails gets attacked is agian plot included stupidity. Exactly stages are being slowed down now stop brining up gameplay.

1.Holy sh*t those attacks do different things. The Light Speed Attack and Light Speed Dash are capable of moving at light speed and Sonic already surpasses it's speed anyway.

3.It doesn't matter Shadow and Sonic are mostly the same speed if not Sonic is a little faster.

4.Sonic agian is proud of his speed and plus he knows how fast he's going. Omega calced his speed and it was about to surpasses light speed if Sonic went any faster which he certianly can then light speed would be broken

5.Yes the Cyan Wisp is a beam of light meaning it's moving at light speed attacking all the enemies.

6.Even then Sonic still brang space/time and life back into the white space. If anything Time Eater probably sucked the reality out of the whole universe turning it into a white space. And according to what Tails said Sonic is definalty FTL...

7.No because it's just the lasers in the casino stage that are being shot at Sonic and Sonic simply dodges them. If you're gonna go around saying Lost World doesn't count because it was poorly written, I could say the same about Colors, Battle and pretty much everything else. What is and isn't poorly written is really up to opinion and opinion is the exact opposite of fact. No matter how "poorly written" something is, that doesn't make it not canon unless otherwise stated, so I can use Lost World as evidence. As for your arguments to my points:

1. As I said before ''just because Light is in the name doesn't mean it's light speed. So many shows/comics/video games/ have words throw into an attack name to make it sound cooler. Just because it says Light Speed attack doesn't mean he's going at Light Speed.'' He's clearly going only slightly faster than his normal speed. Look at those example I listed above with words thrown in for effect. Silver isn't really throwing knives or dropping meteors, it's just a title.

3. Sonic is faster than Shadow depending on how Shadow is using his boots. In battle, Shadow was faster than Sonic but at the cost of not being able to control his speed. In most other instances, he moves at the same speed or slower than Sonic.

4. Yes, Sonic is proud of his speed. He's also boastful and cocky. Much like how a strong man would say "I can lift mountains" Sonic says "I'm faster than light." Something he knows he can't literally do, but is so fast he exaggerates the point. He's bragging. And once again, Omega said may. Not may as in "you could've done it if you moved a but faster." May as in "There's a chance he has the potential to travel at Light Speed."

5. Except while the attack is happening, the enemies continue to move at the exact same speed. If the enemies stopped moving it would mean the area around Sonic slowed down so we could see the attack that's really going at light speed. But the area doesn't slow down because Sonic isn't speeding up that much.

6. Time Eater didn't suck away reality. It's very clearly stated multiple times that Time Eater just took pockets of time away to White Space. Likely because since White Space had nothing, it made for the perfect place to store pockets of time. Also, Tails never said Sonic could move faster than light. He just said that the worlds are restored when Sonic runs through them, he never said why. Maybe because Sonic repeating old actions sets the timeline back on track. Maybe Sonic has a direct link to those areas. Maybe Generations was about playing through old games and less about plot. Who knows?

7. Maurice said the lasers moved at light speed (a reasonable guess) and since Sonic was able to dodge and outrun those, he's moving faster than light. If that were true, that would mean we are seeing everything slowed down, because if we saw Sonic moving at light speed we wouldn't be able to see anything (or control it for that matter). But if that's true, that means everything in the stage is moving at light speed because their movement is proportionate to Sonic's. The giant coins are moving at a slow rate that Sonic can easily outrun, but if Sonic is moving at light speed then that means so are the giant coins which makes no sense. It also means intense gravity because Sonic falls after jumping at the normal rate of a human being. If we're just seeing things slowed down, Sonic is hitting the ground at ridiculously fast speeds. Before you say "Sonic isn't always running at top speed," understand the lasers are moving at the same time as Sonic and everything else, meaning they are all going at a proportionate speed that makes no sense at light speed.

It's also worth noting that a lot of your points contradict each other. First you try to use evidence from the games to prove Sonic's speed but then you say Sonic games lack logic and they can't be used for proof. You're also very selective of what games count and which don't, forgetting that all the games count.