Board Thread:Site Discussions/@comment-20015702-20140405191815/@comment-24137578-20140406132834

Supermorff wrote:

Krazy Company wrote:

Supermorff wrote: People should not be arguing. At all. It is not and never has been productive. What they SHOULD be doing is calmly and civilly discussing things, so that they can establish mutual understanding and reach a satisfying agreement. That's not the same as arguing. If users can't do that, and they start (for example) insulting each other in a way that is not productive and disrupts the wiki, then admins SHOULD step in to stop the argument and encourage them to conduct themselves in future with civility. That's the job of the admins.

If you think that the only way to reach an agreement is by seeing an argument to its conclusion, then I feel very sad. Yeah. Stop it with the emotional blackmail.

Plus, Toxice is metioning the way admins stop fights are wrong. They end the fight causing another fight. People will fight. People are not civil. Admins here dont encourage the users to the extent that the users listen. They give a slap to the face, leaving the user to whine and moan about it again. I'm not sure if you're accusing me of applying emotional blackmail, in which case please assume good faith, or saying that I want people to stop emotional blackmail, which is true but doesn't seem relevant.

Anyway, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that people don't listen to the admins. If that's the case, it seems that admins are being too lenient when stopping fights. If an admin breaks up a fight once, then it starts again shortly afterwards, the penalty for the users after the second fight should be more severe. And should become increasingly severe the more times it happens. Is that not happening recently? (Unless the fight is not disrupting the wiki, in which case admins probably shouldn't intervene at all.)

As for Toxice's point that admins should reason it out with people, admins are not counsellors. They are average people who volunteer their time and get no training. Their responsibility is to the smooth running of the wiki, not to make sure that people like each other. That's just a bonus when it works out. Admins arent to leniants, admins and users tend to give a shut-up-call to misunderstood users and they end complaining to Toxice. And if its an admins job to make things smooth, the admins shouldnt do that, but instead reason better.