Talk:E-123 Omega/Archive 1

Faults
While the article seems to be very good, I feel that there are a few faults


 * 1. There's too many images. Personaly, I feel as though the only images needed are: Latest art, first art, Team Dark group photo, and a weak maybe gameplay photo.


 * 2. Relationships needs to be cut. Omega's relations with the Nocturnus, and Metal are very minor. I feel they should be removed, and Eggman's section could be lenghtened a bit. Mephiles may also need to be either cut, or removed entirley.


 * 3. Info on Omega's roles in each is un-needed, and should be merged into that games article. I feel as though it's just there to make the article larger.


 * 4. The abilities section also seems to be ther, just to be there, and can easily be placed in his template thingy (Sorry, I forgot what it's called.)

I hope you understand, and I will be trying similar things with other character articles. Why'd I start here? Omega's up for FA, and if this will become a FA, I want to be in tip-top shape! Skeletal SLJCOAAATR  Soul 21:44, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Fans want plot. There was a vote recently stating so. The abilities section goes more in-depth. Mephiles is a key role towards Omega. Cut a bit of the relationships and abilities section and you'd cut a few of the refs too. The images would just become useless then.Fair field fencer F F F  07:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but plots belong more in each games specific article. Should we start adding each, and every little role to Sonic's article? No. It'd become useless, repetative, and far too lenghty. As for Mephiles, personally, I feel as though a one-time relationship isn't that important. If Mephiles were to ever reappear, I'm all for it, after all, he IS my favorite character, and it pains me to injure him like this, but, it's for what I believe is the best for the article. Why would the images be useless? Skeletal SLJCOAAATR  Soul 19:34, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * They'd just be lying around on none of the articles like the other dozen or so images.Fair field fencer F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  20:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * We could easily ask Ferral, or Nav to delete them? <font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal <font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#800080">Soul 21:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I know you got it from The Word Of God (or the closest thing: the Flynn-man), but... E-123 Omega is the 123rd robot in the E-100 series? Seriously? That dosn't add up, FFF, and you know it. Molten Scandium 01:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ...Maybe Ian meant 123'rd of the E-Series? <font color="#CCFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 01:49, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That's closer, but it's STILL wrong. Because of Zero. Zero's first, which means E-101 Beta is 2nd, E-102 Gamma is 3rd... a process which would eventually make E-123 the 24th E-100 series robot. It make-a the no sense! - Molten Scandium 02:16, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ZERO being part of the E-100 Series doesn't make any sense. After E-102 Gamma was built, Eggman said he was the second of his E-100 model machines, after E-101 Beta. If ZERO was part of the E-100 Series then Gamma would be the third. As for Omega being the 123rd, what Flynn says has come from background checks, possibly even a SEGA official. What he says goes. More confusing stuff than this has happened in the Sonic Series before.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  10:00, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Arithmetic dosn't make mistakes, FFF. People make mistakes. Whatever way you look at it, you can't cram 123 robots into 23 integers. Molten Scandium 12:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Granted. But what the officials say is final. Perhaps Eggman called it the E-100 Series because he was planning on making over 100 models. Thus making E-123 Omega the 123rd. If you like, I can ask Ian again about the mistake this Sunday. Or you could sign up and ask him. Clear a few things up. You could even use your sig as an advertisement for SNN.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  13:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Not having ever read an Archie comic in my life, methinks I'd be something of an imposter on Bumbleking... :S Molten Scandium 13:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of topics on the games. There's even a topic on E-123 Omega I made and who you think his next voice actor will be. But now I'm just rambling- point is, you can still fit in without being an Archie fan or reader.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  13:20, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The way I see it, ZERO technacially E-100 Alpha is a prototype because he is E-100 with a zero in it while E-101 Beta is designated E-101 with the one making him the first in the main line. Omega is E-123 or the twenty-third robot. So I see it as the last number or two numbers is the number in the main series, with ZERO possibly not even being in the series of robots.
 * I just wanted to say, how is his middle section rotating possibly a glitch? In Sonic Heroes, his body spins in order to deliver that huge purple beam. How could his body rotate here, and have nobody question it, but the second his body spins on the end "OMG, GLITCH!"? [I don't have an account]
 * I just wanted to say, how is his middle section rotating possibly a glitch? In Sonic Heroes, his body spins in order to deliver that huge purple beam. How could his body rotate here, and have nobody question it, but the second his body spins on the end "OMG, GLITCH!"? [I don't have an account]
 * I just wanted to say, how is his middle section rotating possibly a glitch? In Sonic Heroes, his body spins in order to deliver that huge purple beam. How could his body rotate here, and have nobody question it, but the second his body spins on the end "OMG, GLITCH!"? [I don't have an account]

Sad News...
I, SmashGirl, Sonic fan extrodinaire, am sad to announce(I you like the old voice actors, you probably won't care) that Maddie Blaustien has died. Why am I telling you this on Omega's article, you ask? Because she was his voice actoress, of course. She also did a great job voicing Meowth on Pokemon, just ask the Pokemon fans. This obvously mens that SEGA's gonna have a problem, cause now the poor bucket of bolts needs a new actor. Fourtunatley, they won't be switching the voice actors to DIC anytime soon(Just a little joke, Haha..) RIP Maddie. You were better than no one at all, just like the others. That's what I beileve. Give the 4kids actors a chance people. SmashGirl
 * I've heard Meowth's voice and Maddie was very good. The article already states her passing and his need for a new voice actor, but thanks for informing us. And I like 4Kids voice actors. Dan Green does quite well as Knuckles. Granted he sounded always angry in Sonic X, but that's changed now. I wonder who'll voice the 'bot now. Please don't let it be "Ergo." Whoever it is will probably only be there for one performance. No one's done the English roll for more than one game. First was fired, second retired and the third passed on. Let's hope nothing happens to Taiten.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  23:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

it's awesome. The Chosen One of Fire 16:27, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What's awesome?<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  17:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Omega's Voice
Many disliked Maddie's Omega voice in Sonic the Hedgehog, I included, but I feel that this wasn't her fault, as I shall now explain.

I think SEGA must have changed the audio equipment to make people have robotic voices in Sonic 06. I've seen a video of all of Team Dark's cutscenes in Japanese and Taiten Kusunoki, (Omega's JAP VA), sounded way different.

SONIC HEROES -TEAM DARK- (Japanese)

But listen to the difference in his voice in Sonic 06.

SONIC THE HEDGEHOG (X360) the MOVIE {JPN Ver.} Act 4 (3/4)

He sounds way different. So... I would blame SEGA for making Omega sound bad and not Maddie. (S)he has proven to have a very deep voice in her/his previous roles. Such as the President in ShtH and the Babylon Guardian in Sonic Riders. Do you think this is noteworthy for the trivia section?<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  12:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, we don't have any sources saying that Sega used a robotic voice machine, on top of her voice recordings, so, I say no. <font color="#DFFF00">SLJCOAAATR  <font color="#CD00CC">the SNN Admin  <font color="#009A63">Careful, it's a Faradox 15:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There's no way that's her own voice though. Shame this isn't about Jon St. John. This video proves he had a robotic sound effect added. You just hear his natural voice in Team Dark's prototype opening.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer  <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  15:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Here's a new issue. Maddie Blaustein was also credited along with Jon St. John in the DS version of Mario & Sonic at Olympic Winter Games, and I've been looking through the Wii credits's on YouTube and there's not a mention of St. John, and only credits Blaustein. Now, Big the Cat doesn't get a speaking role in the Wii version. I don't even think he gets an appearance. But in the DS version he does and it's definitely St. John who speaks, as Big hasn't received a voice actor since Sonic Heroes and the line was definitely from that game. IGN.com says development for MASATOWG started in 2007 after the original, way before Maddie died, and in cartoons the voicing is one of the first things needed to get sorted out, so do you guys think it possible that the voice of Omega in this game was actually Blaustein on her/his own?<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  16:37, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

I like Omega's voice. What's so bad about it?-- BigBoss  58  11:02, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Many complained that Omega's voice was too high-pitched and nasal when Maddie was his voice actor, and not deep like in the other games. I, however, think there is enough evidence here to support that it wasn't Maddie's fault and that the sound effects guys simply didn't use whatever feature there was to make Omega's voice how it should sound. The cutscenes above prove Taiten Kusunoki's voice was different when it shouldn't have been, (why would he give himself a new voice that is oh so coincidentally like Maddie's), and if it is indeed true that Maddie was the sole voice actor for Omega in MASATOWG, (which she would be since no one else was credited), then this proves that she could very well have done a deep voice and the fault is not with her, but SEGA's sound effects guys. I'd like to add this to the article, but I think I need consensus for that first.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  15:57, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Um...yes it is high-pitched but I guess that works too. It's not that bad, fans just complain too much! How do you know that SEGA screwed up the sound effects? It is definatley her voice. The sound effects of the robot touch is nothing really, the voice adds the change.-- BigBoss  58  15:38, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * You heard what Omega's Japanese VA sounded like compared to Heroes. It was too the same. High-pitched and more robotic. They must have been using a different synthesizer or something.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  18:06, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Is it E-123 (E one twenty-three) or E-123 (E one two three)? I don't know which, and as a result, I get stuck on the former.-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 00:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it's E one two three, as evidenced by Julien-K's This Machine in which the vocalist (presumably Shadow) addresses him as such. Xeno the Hedgehog 05:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah'k, Thanks Xeno.-- A k  a  m  i  a ( Talk )( Want to see what I've been doing? ) 07:17, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Rouge also said E, 1, 2, 3, Omega as well in Sonic '06.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  11:17, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Possible Sonic Characters to appear in Sonic Universe
While it talks about the role of Omega in the Archie Sonic Comics, the article also lists a ton of characters who did not make it into the comics. I deleted GUN Commander from the list because he appears at the very end of the first Sonic Universe issue and in issue 3.--Twilightwizard0309 23:21, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hhrrm. Is pretty trivial, and irreevant. FFF's attempts at longest article ever. :P Feel free to remove them, but I'm not angering FFF. OH HO HO, GOOOOD LUUUUUCK. :D <font color="#BF00FF"> SLJCO <font color="#CCFF00"> AAATR <font color="#6050DC"> So <font color="#C71585"> ul  23:24, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I only deleted GUN Commander though! What could he be mad about? That I deleted two words? --Twilightwizard0309 23:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll delete all of it. It is pretty trivial, and I don't think removing this will stop E-123 Omega being SNN's longest article.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  08:35, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * SOUNDS LIKE IT'S YOUR LUCKY DAY, TWILIGHT. <font color="#BF00FF"> SLJCO <font color="#CCFF00"> AAATR <font color="#6050DC"> So <font color="#C71585"> ul  22:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Skill Type?
Alright, now in MASATOWG, the costumes are supposed to allow Miis to mimic the stats of the character the costume is based on, right? Well, upon gaining the Omega suit, I noticed that instead of being a powerhouse, the skill stats was pretty much at peak! So, doesn't that mean that if Omega had been playable, the powerhouse robot would have been a Skill-Type? Considering that in every other game, Omega is known for his raw strength and being the power type of Team Dark, that would be a big change of pace, wouldn't it? I don't really know why I brought it up, I just thought it was a neat little tidbit or something.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 14:42, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, blowing **** up takes skill! But in all seriousness, I wouldn't have expected Omega to be a skill character. Though, since he is the speed skating rival, you would need to have plenty of skill. That sport does not look easy. Maybe he should have been applied to a different sport, like snow ball fighting. Betcha he's got a weapon for just such an occasion.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  19:27, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Well, taking a better look at his (or more accurrately, the Omega Suit's) stats, it seems that while Speed and Power are low (yes, you heard me right, he has a low power level), his Skill and Acceleration are almost maxed out. I'm really surprised myself at such stats. Oh, and as for "blowing **** up", doesn't he just fire wildly and hope that something hits?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 19:31, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Never criticise teh fan-boy! But you're right. Speed and power are surprising, but acceleration isn't. The guy walks slowly, but those jets give him great speed.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  20:46, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. I mean, you'd expect Omega to be more around Donkey Kong and Dry Bowser's stats: powerful and fast, and considering his fighting style, you'd expect his Skill level to be more around Metal Sonic's level. Hey, do you think this would be something worth a mention in his trivia?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 22:03, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't see why not.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  08:01, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Cool! Maybe I should look at the stats of the other rival suits as well.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 13:58, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Think you got a bit mixed up there, Kagi. Omega's skill level is peak, but his acceleration is on par with his strength and his speed is the second highest of all his stats.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  11:55, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

sonic chronicles 2
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i bet youll have to find omegas parts to unlock him

Omega would be AWESOME but he should be unlock-able

they should get rid of big the cat and put omega as a story mode character and also cream should be a story mode character-sonicstar

Sonic X

 * Hope E-123 Omega appear in Sonic X Season 4 2010.


 * Except that there won't be a "Season 4," as far as is known so far. 23:26, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Profile Pic
I suggest we change the profile picture to his '06 artwork because his current one is somewhat blurry, only shows half of him and is not a good angle.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  21:22, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's the most recent picture we have of him, and 2006 one doesn't even feature his real design.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  21:27, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

It's not that bad, just a slightly different proportion and a bigger metal thing and it's a much better quality image.  Myself  <font color="Black">123  21:42, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * True. But there are others we could use that depict him better. That's I'm saying. Anyway, I just blew up the image so it'd look better on a thumbnail.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  22:05, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Why does he still have the 06 image????SENATORSILVER 23:48, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Does he look any different from in that game, to every other appearance he's had?<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  09:22, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * No but we could use a newer image...SENATORSILVER 23:36, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

The quote
You got anything that sums him up better?<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  18:07, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

That's a good quote, but that is a rare philisophical moment for Omega. We don't hear him say stuff like that often. Usually it's "Eradicate! Annihilate! Destroy all Eggman robots!!"<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  19:46, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

How about "Crush, Maim, Destroy!"? Simstar3 03:53, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * This article is primarily about the game version of Omega. That comes from the comic. The only place you could put it is E-123 Omega (Archie).<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  08:06, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

References Not Working
Instead of just showing that little number it's showing stuff like:

In the least noticeable case:

In the most noticeable case: <ref name="Chronicles Quote">Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood (2008) [After they enter the room with Omega inside.]Shadow the Hedgehog: "Wait! That's Omega! I knew it! Those Marauder goons. We have to--" [Robots enter.] Miles "Tails" Prower: "Later! Someone's coming!" Shadow: "Good. I need to smash something." [...] Shadow: "Omega!" Doctor Eggman: "Oh, don't waste your time on this one. He's been a thorn in my side for years!" Shadow: "Quiet, Eggman, or I promise you I'll--" Tails: "He's still functioning! Just heavily damaged. But I think I can... Yes! With the parts from those guardian robots, I can repair him!" Shadow: "Do it." [...] Shadow: "Omega! Can you hear me?" E-123 Omega: "SYSTEMS COMING ONLINE -- E-123 OMEGA BEGINNING REACTIVATION PROTOCOL." Rouge the Bat: "If I had a nickel for every time I heard that..."E-123 Omega: "EGGMAN DETECTED. BEGINNING ANNIHILATION SEQUENCE." Tails: "No! Omega, Eggman is on our side!" E-123 Omega: "ORANGE FOREST CREATURE HAS GONE MAD. RECOMMEND IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION." Shadow: "No, Omega. He's right. Eggman is helping Team Sonic against the Marauders." Rouge: "As hard as it is to believe."E-123 Omega: "THERE IS NO REASON TO DOUBT SHADOW OR ROUGE. THERE IS NO REASON TO TRUST THE REST OF THESE MEATBAGS." Tails: "What happened to you, Omega?" E-123 Omega: "I CAME HERE TO DESTROY ALL OTHER EGGMAN ROBOTS. BUT I WAS SURROUNDED BY STRANGE CREATURES AND FORCED TO FLEE. THE COWARDS FOLLOWED ME. THEY MADE THEIR ROBOTS DISMANTLE ME WHILE I WAS HELPLESS. DISASSEMBLED BY INFERIOR MACHINES. IT WAS EMBARRASSING."Shadow: "Come with us, Omega. We're going to destroy the Marauders for what they did to you." E-123 Omega: "YES. THEY WILL BE DESTROYED FOR WHAT THEY DID TO ME."Rouge: "Ugh. Again with the emotionless revenge. It just gets tired." Tails: "Let's go, team!" Eggman: "Yes. We have much work to do!" E-123 Omega: "I MUST TAKE TIME TO RECHARGE BEFORE COMMENCING REVENGE." Shadow: "The stronghold in the Underground, Omega. You can recharge there." Eggman: "I never agreed to allow that faulty machine to--" Shadow: "Silence, Eggman. Now." E-123 Omega: "I WILL GO TO THE UNDERGROUND TO RECHARGE. YOU WILL FIND ME THERE IF YOU NEED ME." Shadow: "We'll get the Marauders for what they did to you, my friend. Let's get to it. The Marauders must pay."

It might just be my computer, though.
 * It isn't. This is a new glitch from wikia. The reflist option will not work if you put a capital R at the beginning. It's wierd, but at least we know how to fix it.07:31, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Last Two POW Move Images
There are two pictures missing in the POW moves section. The POW Moves in question are Blazing Tornado and Temporal Field. Does anyone know where I can find a picture of these moves? Or maybe a video so I can just take a screenshot?<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  14:27, August 30, 2010 (UTC)