User talk:Supermorff

Adding categories to Dark Valley, you say??
Well... thanks. I'd clearly dropped the ball and forgotten them there. But in due course, I'd like to ask your opinion on the Locations vs. Game stages categories.

You would think they would overlap lots, wouldn't you? And, indeed, they do. What I've been doing (when I remember to add them at all!) is stick "Game stages" on everything that is... well, a named level or zone. And stick Locations on things when they become MORE than just one level - like Green Hill, which has been in many, many games, and so clearly becomes a Plot Element instead of just a random stage. Also, Soleanna, which isn't a specific named level ever, but is clearly a location.

Which generally boils down to: if it's NEVER been a game stage, it gets just location. If it's ONCE been a game stage, it gets Game Stage. If it's been a game stage more than once, it gets Location AND Game stage.

Do you think this makes any sense at all? I would like to try and hammer out (at some point) an SNN "best practice procedure" for Game Stage category vs. Location categoty, and so your sage thoughts on the matter would be much appreciated. :D The Doctor... IS IN Molten Scandium  00:28, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I think there are two things to consider here: namely the short-term and long-term methods for dealing with this little difficulty. Short-term, your solution is pretty good. It means at the very least that every game stage is categorised as such, and every location is either in the Locations category or one of its subcats.
 * Long-term, I'm still slightly conflicted over the best way to deal with it. Fortunately, being long-term, we have some time yet to ponder it. I assure you I will give this some thought.
 * Oh, the one thing I would point out is that some "game stages" clearly aren't "locations" in the usual sense: e.g. Babylon Guardian is a character and boss stage, but the location where the boss battle takes place appears to be called the Digital Dimension. So that's something to keep an eye on in future as well. -- Supermorff 15:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Here for users, and here for IP's. SLJC OAAA TR 1  16:48, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Kagimizu - Seeya 'round
Well, it wasn't a problem. It's an issue that needs to be dealt with, and since the Users are what make this wiki worth something, I think they should decide what to do about it.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 00:04, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I was intending to change the time on the block you had made (it was an iLike sockpuppet account) to "indefinite". However, I accidentally ended up blocking you instead. I didn't realise it until Scrab pointed it out to me.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 17:00, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

A query I have
Hello Supermorff,

I've been informed from Kagimizu that I should seek a mod about a query I have instead of actually trying to edit the articles themselves so I simply chose you out of random because I can't seem to find anyone in charge of this wiki as a whole admin.

Anyways, this topic is about the trivia sections on this site. I've been here at SNN for some time (I believe since June) and think this Sonic wiki is a good idea. A place where every fan can input info they find. I come to this site often to get info and listings. It's all good except for one section: trivia. When I look at the trivia sections, it's a complete mess. There is information in those sections on almost every page with trivia that should not belong. Some of them are fan speculations, others are hypothesis and guesses, and some are just dumb and pointless. At this time, I thought someone was not taking care of this and all this info was inputted by someone who had no idea what they were doing or what belong in the article or not. So I decided to edit them myself and clean up the trivia sections that had information not necessary. Well to my surprise, they kept reappearing. Every page I went, the info kept popping up. At first I thought it was some stubborn user but then it turned out it was none other than Kagimizu, a mod. It would be understandable if it was some user who did not know how to input info into a trivia section but if a mod approves of such info, then we got a problem here.

I'm a fan of the trivia sections. I love them because you get even more in depth info from the subject in question that you would not learn formally. But when I come to SNN, I am displeased to learn that almost anything is put into the trivia sections. It's as if no one knows how to do a trivia section properly and assume anything can be put in.

A trivia section is a section of an article where info that cannot be placed on the main article is placed on it's own section. This info is not important enough to be a part of the main section but still useful enough to be known so it should not be omitted. The information that goes into a trivia section adds and expands the article and gives more insight, knowledge, and description to the subject. Wikipedia's guidelines for trivia state that it's info that can not fit anywhere and the editor should try to look for a place to put it in. In other words, trivia is the last thing that should be worked on because you want to search for a place to fit the info on the article and add to it. If it can't be added, then it's considered trivial and thus, goes into it's own section.

But this does not apply to SNN. When I see an trivia section, I am seeing information that is quiet useless to know about such as comparing one character to another. I don't understand why I need to know about a trait that is more coincidental than it is about the development of the character. If one character has a trait that is similar to another, such as Blaze being similar to Knuckles in the fact that they are guardians of certain emeralds, then you must ask yourself "Why is this important to the article?" In the example I showed, how does that information help the Blaze article expand more and give insight to her. If it was stated by a employee at Sega that they got inspiration from Knuckles when modeling Blaze, than that would be considered trivia since you would not be able to fit it into the article itself but is important to the understanding of Blaze's development. But if it's just a coincidence that Blaze so happens to be like Knuckles in only that they share that trait and there is nothing to back up that they both share such a common feature besides it being a coincidence, than that is not trivia because it does not help the expand the article and it's pretty much just an observation someone made.

There are many common mistakes that are added to the trivia sections. Others being fan speculations, good obsevations that are not informative enough to warrant research, what people "think" might be, and stuff that is not informative at all and are just comments. These may be interesting to know but when I read them, they didn't add to the article I was reading and didn't help my research. It felt like I was reading a persons comment rather than an excerpt of the subject. If the item doesn't give you applied knowledge, it should not be included.

I believe that the trivia sections need a serious clean up. If a mod approves it, then that means that no one here knows how trivia should be done. Serious guidelines should be done for trivia and what it is, what should go in it, and so on. The other info is not important to be warranted as research. Though I have thought about why a mod would approve of it, I come to the conclusion that they consider it important to know. I came to this because I remember I edited out a bad trivia item when I was editing articles. When it was brought back though, that item was not. So there is some attention being put to the trivia sections but no real guideline. That is why I propose there be a new section: miscellaneous. Just what it means, anything and everything else that doesn't even fit in trivia. While trivia SHOULD still cover the article's items that are not important to be in the article itself but still important enough to be known, miscellaneous is just information that is not really important to know but have been observed and might be of interest one way or another. Observations that have bee noted like comparing one character to another (especially when the other character is not even from Sega) is not really trivia but can be put into miscellaneous. I think it would clean up the trivia section and make it more neat.

So that is my post. Sorry if it's huge but it should show you that I am serious about the trivia sections. I love them and hate to see this wiki mishandle them just because people don't understand what trivia means. Just because trivia means info that cannot be inserted into the main article, it does not mean ANYTHING can be placed under it. It should still contain information that adds to the article in a small way but gives you a bit more information about the subject that is necessary to know about. Anything that is simply observed or coincidences are not trivia unless it is backed up by a source of information that is not hearsay or guessing. If you want to have that information, then a good idea would be to make a separate section for them. This will help keep the article in order so when you get to the trivia section, it won't be a jumble mess and you will be able to tell what's actual fact and what is a possibility. --TKGB 07:27, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'm glad that you agree and was surprised to know that someone else has a concern about it. But that still doesn't solve anything. Isn't there anything that can be done about this? Simply editing it won't do since someone will just end up undoing it.--TKGB 00:28, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that's not entirely true. If we simply keep an eye on the articles and remove uneeded info, that should really clean up the Trivia.--Kagi mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 00:36, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well that would be ideal except that people don't understand what trivia is here. There is no guideline for that in this wiki and people just keep posting items unrelated to being trivia and it keeps being approved. So when you say "uneeded", what does that mean here? That's why I'm proposing two sections. That would be ideal to keep stuff that is still revelant to the subject and info that is are just hypothesis that people have (i.e. "...because of this, it is believed that...").--TKGB 00:47, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Well, Trivia already has its own "section" on pages, but seperate pages is too far. The way I see it, if the trivia is notable and relevant, it's fine by me. For example, some new trivia that was added to Amy's page was that "Amy is currently the only female hedgehog in the games". Stuff like that seems reasonable to me.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500"> 'round ~ 00:52, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * See, that kind of information is not trivia. Firstly, what I suggested was not a new page but a new category for this kind of thing. Second, I don't think you understand the meaning of trivia. As I've said on the original long post I made for Supermorff, trivia is information that aids the article. It helps expand the article on knowledge about the subject. Don't you think that pointing out that Amy is the only female hedgehog is too loose to be considered helpful. If you approve of that, how about "Amy is currently the only pink female character". How about "Amy is currently the only character who wields a hammer". Or "Amy is currently the only character that was kidnapped by Metal Sonic" and "Amy is currently the only hedgehog whose design has changed drastically"? You have to ask yourself if the information is helpful in research and development of the character both ingame and real world, not just observations.

If you still can't understand what I mean, consider another subject. Let me use English as an example. Look at this site:

http://www.sentex.net/~ajy/facts/words.html

The site contains many information that can be considered trivia. So by your approval, one could put "As of today, the letter Y is the only one that can be used as both a vowel and a consonant." Yeah, thats nice but it's pretty obvious that most people know about it so it doesn't need to be written down. I hope you understand what I mean. --TKGB 06:13, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

In my books, if you have several strings of trivia related to each other, then those need to be clumped together to form a new section, as was the case with Silver when I first came here. Trivia is my biggest crib with this wikia and I'm a reglaur visitor here. I raised this issue recently, because Silver's trivia section was massive. I listed elsewhere several points and problems with trivia. In the end it comes down to this: Can it fit elsewhere on the page? If yes, then it doesn't belong in trivia. If not, then it belongs in trivia.

As a experience wikia peep, this wikia can be off putting at times, but I come here because I have long term issues with wikipedia (used to be a wikipedian until 2 years ago or so). At the very least, what someone needs to do is look at the largest section on the page other then trivia (not including galleries) and ask "Is the trivia section bigger then this?". If yes, something needs to be done ASAP, as I had to do with Silver's page. Regardless, I'm happy to see it finally being discussed, but there seems to be a problem with controlling it. If you have guidelines for trivia, that would help, if not, perhaps its time something was done. One-Winged Hawk 15:16, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Yep. So how long have you been a Sonic fan, Super? Phoenix the Cat The flames reborn....  17:24, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've been a Sonic fan for about over 2 years now, I think. I've been a fan of Sonic ever since I bought Sonic Rush for the DA over 2 years ago. Although there was something about the Sonic series that somewhat attracted me my whole life, I never fully got into the series until I played Sonic Rush (I also discovered my favorite Sonic character when I first played Sonic Rush, too: Blaze the Cat :D), and as time went by, I grew more obsessive over the franchise (I even started to buy the comics around Christmas time the same year that I fully got into the Sonic series XD), and I eventually became a true Sonic fan. When I look back, I can't help but call myself stupid for making myself miss out on a wonderful franchise most of my life: Sonic. '''By the way, I copied this text of of someone else's TP. This is basically the answer that I gave Shelly when she asked me how long I've been a Sonic fan. I wanted to type this whole thing out, but since it's already on someone else's TP...I just figured that it would be easier just to copy and paste my same answer right on here. I know, I'm sooooo laaaaaaaazzzyyyyyy...... Phoenix the Cat  The flames reborn....'''  17:59, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

"Is It You", is definately a new Sonic song.-- BigBoss  58  14:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it sounds like a Sonic song, because it's in a Sonic album, and a SEGA Japanese website announced it saying that it is a Sonic song because it's a Sonic album. But sadly I cannot give you the link...but I can give you this. http://junsenoue.com/site/?p=71-- BigBoss  58  15:19, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Got it! http://translate.google.com.pk/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsonic.sega.jp%2F-- BigBoss  58  15:38, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZFj7xYNMcM where can I put this info?-- BigBoss  58  09:21, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Re: User masthead
Hey Supermorff. Sorry for the late reply. I just tested this code and it worked, so just add it to Monaco.css and hard refresh (Ctrl+F5).

color: #000000 !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs a {

color: #BA0000 !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs a.new {

background-color: #FFFFFF !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs li.selected a, #page_tabs li.selected a.new {

background-color: #EEEEEE !important; }
 * 1) page_tabs li a, #page_tabs li a.new {

body.masthead-regular #page_bar, body.masthead-special #page_bar { border-bottom: none; }

While we're talking about css colors, I was wondering if you'd want to make the text on the header buttons (GAMING and MORE) more visible. They're quite hard to read. If you want to change that text color, edit this item in Monaco.css:

/* this makes the background of those 'pill' buttons blue also */ .headerMenuButton dt, .headerMenuButton dd { background-image: url(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/help/images/3/3a/Sapphire_header_button.png); color: #808080; } Just change #808080 to white or a light gray (such as #DDDDDD, #CCCCCC, etc.) to match the color of the little down arrow. Let me know if you have any problems or need help with anything else. JoePlay ( talk ) 21:30, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * If you use Firefox, then Firebug is a very useful tool for troubleshooting css code used on the Monaco skin. JoePlay ( talk ) 19:57, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Eggman's eyes…
Of course that video showed Eggman's eyes. Very clearly it did, even. The camera was, at multiple times, at an angle that cleary revealed his eyes. Here's a screenshot someone took also showing it. Herman2000 19:41, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I disagree there, indeed. If it's in the game, it's obviously canon. Herman2000 01:19, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sir Frances Charles. His full name was revealed in SatAM. Trust me, I wouldn't lie. Watch SatAm to comfirm my sources though I can't remember which episode. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

Archie vs Fleetway
Just to spark a small conversation; Have you seen that video on YouTube? It's called "Archie versus Fleetway". If you haven't seen it, you should check it out. Sonic & Scrab  Master

Yeah. I though the voice acting was spot on. In fact, Shortfuse the Cybernik's was perfect. Even referencing STC when he mentions his back story every time he appears. (man that got annoying!) Sonic &  Scrab  Master

Super Sonic (STCO)
I'm just wondering, in Sonic the Comic: Online, Sonic transformed into Super Sonic and then Doctor Zachary took control of Super. But he changed back after some time. So does that mean that Zachary is the only person to defeat Super Sonic? (in a way) Sonic &  Scrab  Master

It was like the second or third issue of Sonic the Comic: Online. It was when Sonic, Porker, and Ebony tried to restore the Floating Island after it sank during the official Sonic the Comic series. Sonic & Scrab  Master

U Won't 4get Me
I can explain that. Bentley Jones once said that if you make like a music video or something for U Won't 4get Me, then you'll get a copy of Sonic & SEGA All-stars Racing. He also mentioned it once during the Summer of Sonic '09. Sonic & Scrab  Master

I just did a bit of research. U Won't 4get Me is the theme of Bentley Jones. You can delete it then. Sonic & Scrab  Master

I'll admit, I'm gonna miss that article.

Super Sonic & Shortfuse the Cybernik
Also, NiGHTSRocks wants to know more about Fleetway Super Sonic. She also wants to know more about Shortfuse the Cybernik. Including his backstory, telling how he became encased in the Cybernik armor, but keeping his free will to fight Robotnik for putting him in the Cybernik armor, but keeping his free will to fight Robotnik for putting him in the Cybernik armor, but keeping his free will to fight Robotnik, (keeps going and eventually says it very quickly and in a high-pitched voice) Sonic &  Scrab  Master

Deceased Characters
Actually, I only put it for characters who were revealed to be deceased. And for characters like Gamma, only if they are dead in all continuites. I'm highly diverse in many continuities. For example, I didn't label Cobar as deceased because it is unknown if he's dead in the altered future of M:XYL. Sonic & Scrab  Master

For another example, Floren-Ca. It was unknown if she was dead or not, but the current Archie writer, Ian Flynn said she was dead. Same goes for Hunter. He was on the list of deceased characters. Sonic & Scrab  Master


 * Hey Supermorff. I came here to talk about something on SNN thats been buggin me for awhile now.... It's those dang Song Connections on most of the vocal song pages. I think that they're pretty much pointless, as one would only visit an article about a song to either listen to it or look up the lyrics. Anyone with a brain could figure out those connections to the character if they know who the theme song belongs to. For example: His World: Theme of Sonic the Hedgehog - Its title obviously advertises it as Sonic's theme, so its lyrics are unmistakably about him and make connections to his character. Another example: Unknown From M.E. - The lyrics are written as if it's like Knuckles himself is talking (because he obviously is), so clearly one would know everything connects to him. Whoever wrote it (Sonic &amp; Scrab Master I think) might as well have wrote:

"His duty's to protect Master Emerald diamond"-Knuckles' duty to protect the Master Emerald (doy!)


 * Not only are they kinda useless, but they're also kinda poorly written. I know someone probly put a lot of work into writing those Song Connections, so I dont want to go on an editing spree removing the Connections on the several song articles that have them, as to not cause a huge argument, so I wanted to get your input on the matter first.

 I AM THE LAW! ~ DjWindmaster97  22:04, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hey man. I took a little break from the SNN, which is why I didnt reply to your message right away. I've got a plan for those Song Connections that will probly solve everything without some incident. I'll write them in paragraphs like you said, as a description of the song. It will be a lot of work but I can do it. And another thing.... I think the Bentley Jones song article "U Won't 4get Me" should be deleted, 'cause I researched and I dont think it has anything to do with All-Stars Racing, besides being on the same album as the game's main theme. I think the song is just a regular main-stream song, not a track made for the game.

 I AM THE LAW! ~ DjWindmaster97  21:20, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

OKLa la la la la la A New Venture 16:12, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Hey man. That Unregister Contributor is back and he's still saying characters are dead when he has no proof. Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master

The admins have seen it and haven't said a thing. Same goes for Wonderman. Sonic & Scrab  Master

Hi
Hi Supermorff,how do you create templates??? I saw that you created some and I want to create one. Can you help me out??? - Jet50 23:08, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Thx,Supermorff -- Jet50 23:23, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Thx,Supermorff,this is my very first template

Jet50 23:44, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Help with character info box set up web site wwww.boondockstv.wikia.comSondow209 21:06, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Super, can you do something about this User? She's been going around removing content off articles and sometimes replacing the content on them. Phoenix the Cat The flames reborn....  22:18, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Can you help?
I don't mean to bug you but, I was trying to add some pictures to Sonic the Hedgehog 4 and instead it gave me a message saying "user rights error" is it supposed to do that? I'm new so it may be something I don't know about... I would appreciate any help.

Hey Super, can you keep an eye on this User? This User re-added the fanart from the Rouge the Bat art gallery that I removed, and even removed some of the offical artwork/screenshots this time. Phoenix the Cat The flames reborn....  06:58, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Delete
Ronic The Hedgehog is a fan page on mainspace. Please delete

Delete
Ronic The Hedgehog is a fan page on mainspace. Please delete-- Milo the  echidna  20:22, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Big Prob
User:HappyDays

What's he doing:Vandalizing the Shadow,Tails,Blaze and Silver pages

Your mission:Ban emBlazeRocks55 16:05, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Kay sorry MorffBlazeRocks55 21:48, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

AllrightBlazeRocks55 21:52, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Supermorff? You there? We got a vandal! Help! Sonic &amp; Scrab  Master


 * Indeed. It's OhBoy.--Shadow34 23:27, April 21, 2010 (UTC)Shadow34