Talk:Silver Sonic/Archive 1

Comparison to Nazo
This is a thought quite literally off the top of my head, but has anyone thought to compare this son of a b*tch (apologies - just spent the last 20 minutes trying to kill him) to our mysterious pal Nazo? --Danish Ranger 15:25, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Please censor your swearing in future. As for your question, I'm not too sure, Silver Sonic's a robot, and Nazo appears to be organic.  Myself  123  15:44, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Merge
I think this page should be merged with Mecha Sonic, as they're the same robot, just two different revisions of it, as this boss is known as "Mecha Sonic" in the Japanese manual of Sonic 2. Moreoever, I'm positive that the only reason why his Sonic 2 and S&K counterparts have different names in the American games is that the name "Silver Sonic" doesn't fit his S&K version (as it's blue rather than silver), so SoA saw itself forced to give him a different name than his Sonic 2 model. - 190.138.10.18 03:21, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

They look nothing alike. Spyro Sonic   2000  03:44, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Whether you think they look alike or not is irrelevant. Fact is, they have the same Japanese name, same concept (both are robotic Sonic copies), and an extremely similar move arsenal. - 190.138.10.18 18:54, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Let an admin take care of this. Spyro Sonic   2000  19:00, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yeaaaa-No. They are not the same robot. DarkK3 02:56, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Sigh. Then prove it. I already provided evidence of why they are the same character, NONE of which was refuted. Also, do you consider the Sonic CD version of Amy to be a separate character from regular Amy just because she was originally named "Princess Sally" in the American continuity!? - 190.139.243.220 19:20, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Somewhere in the articles it says something like "...this robot was called Mecha Sonic too..." or something like that

So... why do you put those together, but this "Silver Sonic" has his own page?

I also say we merge. Keep in mind Mecha Sonic model no. 29 (which the wiki gave the [I think] unsourced name Rocket Metal Sonic, based on the internal [and unseen in normal gameplay] "Rocket Metal"). That implies that the different Mecha Sonic designs are all different models. We should merge Silver Sonic, Mecha Sonic and [uh] "Rocket Metal Sonic" together under the name of Mecha Sonic or Other Sonic robots. LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:37, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

We don't gain anything by doing that. Would make more sense to me to make a Mecha Sonic disambig, split out the 16-bit and 8-bit versions of Silver Sonic and rename per Talk:Mecha Sonic. -- Supermorff (talk) 15:58, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yes we don't gain anything from merging the pages togther.Sonamyfan666 a Amy Rose Expert and fan (talk) 17:48, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

I might as well throw in my opinion as well: NO merging. I remember Myself 123 saying that individual pages are often preferable to big pages with lists, and I agree. 17:57, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it was revealed in the back story of Sonic 4 that Silver Sonic was actually Mecha Sonic. I suppose they retconned the name like they did with most things from the older games. If not a merge, we should move all the information on the game version of Silver Sonic to the Mecha Sonic article. Diamonddeath (talk) 02:44, October 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * That is the definition of a merge, isn't it? -- Supermorff (talk) 08:22, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Look, Silver Sonic is different than mecha. after all, their abilities are quite different, and they look nothing alike. and use that amy rose stuff! sega changed her appearence so that she can enter the 3-d world, and it looks completely possible for her to revert to old look, as you just have to simply take off the head band that holds her hair like hair, and refit her with her old-skool skirt. besides, mecha sonic is the name of a individual, not a brand name.

The problem with that is that we already know there are multiple Mecha Sonic robots (see Mecha Sonic model no. 29), or at least it is suggesting that it is the same robot rebuilt after every defeat. In all fairness, a merged article really wouldn't be that huge due to the fact that not much background is known on the Mecha Sonic(s) other than they/it resemble(s) Sonic - it's not like it's Metal Sonic. Besides, the Metal Sonic article gave us the basics in a fairly small frame.

That said, I would not be opposed if we picked one of two approaches - either merge everything except Metal Sonic under the common Mecha Sonic umbrella (that includes model no. 29), or keep everything split and leave the connection in the view of the reader and out of the wiki's hands (which is mostly done, but I also mean to split the 8-bit and 16-bit Sonic 2 robots - Archie calls the 16-bit version Silver Sonic, while Sega of America also called the 8-bit one Bionic Sonic, if that helps differentiate the two). LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:50, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

so, i'm back, and i did a little research that opposes any merge. metal sonic was called mecha sonic in japanese manuals, along with any other mech until sega gave them names. so if you use that japanese manual stuff, than you are saying that you would call metal sonic mecha sonic, and that is not accurate! also, if silver sonic was called mecha, than silver sonicII would be called some thing different, and obviously he isn't.

I think you misunderstand. We're not saying to use the Japanese manuals. We're saying to use the most up-to-date English backstory, which is from the Sonic 4 website, in which the robot was called Mecha Sonic. Metal Sonic is still Metal Sonic in that backstory. Silver Sonic II's name is made up by fans too, so that argument doesn't work. And you still haven't registered that nobody is suggesting a merge at this point. Quite the opposite. -- Supermorff (talk) 09:39, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Look, silver sonicII is NOT a fan made name. he was first called this by archie comics, and SEGA later adopted this as his real name, making it a relavent argument point. And second of all, SEGA has confirmed that his name is silver sonic, so shut up about it!

I'm 06 lover by the way.

06 lover

Pretty harsh, no-one's gonna be able to take oyu seriously if you're going to act in such a heated way. If you what you say is true about these names being offically used by Sega, you should have absolutely no problem finding sources that prove it, right?  Myself  123  19:40, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Stop being so smug about it. if this, and every other source i know(besides manuals and sonic 4 website) says their names are what they are, than they should be kept that way. besides, manuals have proven theselves unaccurate at times.

06 lover

I wasn't being smug, unless the meaning of the word "smug" has changed, but I don't think it has, anyway, despite claiming that there are plenty of sources that prove you right, you've yet to give any. If you want to end this discussion and prove yourself right, just provide links.  Myself  123  22:06, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sure.

Sonic wiki

Mobius encyclopedia

Sonic Fanon wiki(Not an acurate source. sorry)

06 lover

One last one.

Any retro review

06 lover

By "Sonic wiki" are you referring to this wiki? The Mobius Encylopedia is soley about the Sonic Archie comics, so doesn't cover this, and, as you said, the Sonic Fanon wiki is not accurate. Lastly, these are all wikis, now if these wikis contain links that back you argument then those links are the one we need.

EDIT: What do you mean by "Any retro review"?  Myself  123  22:39, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, by Sonic wiki i mean this wiki, Retro Review is any review on a game that is posted on youtube. Also, the archie comic's characters are trademarked to Sega, albeit unigue ones like Sally Acorn, and Bunnie Rabot.

06 lover

Archie comics may be trademarked by Sega, but they work mostly independant from Sega, their information isn't necessarily accurate.  Myself  123  22:49, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

YOU'RE TOTALLY MISSING THE POINT!!!!!!!! If these characters are trademarked by SEGA, than that means the character's names were trademarked by SEGA, making that the official name.


 * Please, keep the civility. There is no need to shout like that. And I'll have to agree with Myself on this matter. 22:53, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not missing the point, what you said isn't true, that does not mean that Sega trademarked the name.  Myself  123  22:55, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sigh, if you guys want to merge that bad, then go ahe... NO! ive already made my points clear, and Myself has yet to come with a backhand response

OH, THE DRAMA!!!  22:58, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

look, myself, you have abseloutly NO official info to base on, brsides your own opinion and you may not use manuals as your resource.

06 lover


 * Why isn't he permitted to use manuals? They are official evidence of his points. 23:04, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Just because Archie used that name, does not make it offical, is Metallix an official name for the game version of Metal Sonic? I think not.  Myself  123  23:04, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

This brings me back to the part about manuals. if you listen to those manuals, than you would be calling ANY robotic doppelganger of sonic mecha sonic, and obviously, Metal Sonic is called metal.

Also, you've comepletly missed my point, nothing I actually stated is about whether I'm for or against the merge.  Myself  123  23:08, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

That brings me back to unique characters. Metallix was not used on the metal sonic from the real world, but a variant exclusive to the archie comics.

06 lover
 * Sonic the Comic, that was form Sonic the Comic and was based on Metal Sonic.  Myself  123  23:13, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

well SORRY! but by the way you talk, it seemed like you were for the merge. i am against the merge.

No, I'm questioning the legitimacy of the name Silver Sonic, I'd comsider this robot different enough to the other Mecha Sonic have it's own page.  Myself  123  23:13, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

wait, so are you agreeing with me now?

No, this whole time I was asking for proof for the name "Silver Sonic".  Myself  123  23:16, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

oh. well, our little war continues

06 lover


 * It'll only continue if you keep defending your own knowledge and refusing to understand the points brought up by others. 23:37, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, i have one question for you; if this is not his real name, then why is the official sonic wiki(yes, this one) has this as the official name of the bot?

by the way, who has brought any points besides you?

Also, don't use mecha's talk page a gainst me. i spend more time here because this is where my war with you is at its climax.

I will not stop until you guys see that this is his official name.

i already did that.

The reason why this entire discussion started in the first place is because we're not sure. This is a wiki, where anyone can edit, we're trying to make sure all our info is correct but sometimes we get things wrong. That's why we have these talk pages.  Myself  123 00:16, November 2, 2012 (UTC) P.S. you didn't provide reliable sources.  Myself  123  00:16, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

well then, take the official part of this wiki. if it is not official, than you can believe anything you like.

Guys, i got it!!! maybe we can keep this guys name, and say he is a Mecha sonic, as you guys seem pretty certain that mecha sonic is a brand name, and not a certain character.

plus, i have already sworn this information into secrecy.

I not quite sure what you're saying now. Regardless, you have failed to provide any reliable sources that prove this character's name is Silver Sonic, therefore I suggest we go ahead and change the names of this and Mecha Sonic's pages and create a disambiguation page.  Myself  123  01:50, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

im not saying that is his official name, hes just more popular by the name(Yah, im giving up). so maybe, we can do an A.K.A thing, like this; Silver SonicA.K.A Mecha Sonic, and say that he is a mecha sonic, as you gus have already said that there are numerous mecha sonics. this way, we can keep his popular name AND have him known as a Mecha.

Yeah, well what source confirms that his name is mecha sonic. manuals arnt acurate, as they have displayed time over time, and the sonic4 website is irrelevant, as it was only meant to advertise the game, and not to give sufficient data.

06 lover

The Mecha sonic mentioned here is not specifially directed silver, and the backstory is not nessecarily canon

06 lover

by here i mean the sonic4 web

06 lover


 * At least he'll make a good political candidate one day. 10:18, November 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, indubitably. 10:48, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I was just being sarcastic, I felt obligated to slip that in. Though I share Solace's sentiments, still off-topically. Anyways, I think we ought to be finished with the current topic at this point. If this Unregistered user is still persistent over the matter then there may as well be a block delivered for harassment and spam over such a short topic. Whatever consensus of Administration decides upon at this point, I agree wholeheartedly. 11:43, November 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I believe we should end the discussion here and now, and take action against this user if he decides to prolong the argument any further. 12:02, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Alright. then i lesve you with one final question: what source proves mecha sonic a canon name? no manuals, or the sonic4 website are relevant,as i have already explain

The fact is that your explanations fall into personal canon territory, which any good wiki should avoid. For the record - http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_CD_JP_Manual - please point for us where Metal Sonic was ever called Mecha Sonic, considering this is apparently a big part in the "don't believe the manuals they're not official" argument. Contrary to popular belief, that was never there. That little mistake stems from a profile in the initial PC version of Sonic the Hedgehog CD, and it's clear that the writer was merely confused between the two. This is the only time Metal Sonic was ever called Mecha Sonic or even suggested to be it, and such erroneous information has long since been superseded. Picking up on this earlier would have saved some trouble. 144.80.137.238 03:20, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Furthermore, the fact that Metal Sonic was once called Mecha Sonic does not change anything as he, like every other Sonic robot, has a seperate page. Although Metal was once known as Mecha Sonic, the name was corrected/changed/whaterver to Metal Sonic, whilst the first Mecha Sonic never had such a name change.  Myself  123  03:29, November 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Even so, my point is that Metal Sonic was never called Mecha Sonic in Japan and the only official source that ever claimed this was Sega of America's PC release of Sonic CD. Keep in mind that this dates back to a far simpler and more naive time of the Internet before the average person can get a hold of worldwide information so easily. Anyone who does "the research" can render that entire side of the debate moot and merely an oddity. 144.80.137.238 03:50, November 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know who you are, but you're awesome. Make an account! -- Supermorff (talk) 09:15, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

I surrendur. but plese keep something like a was populary known as silver sonic, in memory of his cooler name

06 lover

Wait, why have you not changed his name? i thought i lost

06 lover


 * We haven't changed his name. This version of the robot has only ever been officially called Silver Sonic (in the manual). When we split the pages, that's what this version of the character went to. -- Supermorff (talk) 20:53, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

So, i wasnt fighting for a lost caus! but i guess i should point one thing that could have not got me into this. the naming debate all happened under a early title that said "merge". if someone put a new title, like rename, i probably wouldnt have made such a big deal. so, a little word of advice: if it is a different subject, make a new title, so people wont get confused like me.

06 lover

It was the same subject, if you read the discussion, you wouldn't have gotten confused.  Myself  123  01:04, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, Sonic Tweet referred to this robot as Mecha Sonic. Isn't that the official English/American source? That makes this robot's name now Mecha Sonic in English as well, just like how the other previously known Silver Sonic was renamed as Mecha Sonic. It seems there are only two video game Sonic robots- Mecha Sonic and Metal Sonic.Diamonddeath (talk) 21:13, November 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wasn't Sonic Tweet a Japanese only thing?  Myself  <font color="Black">123  21:41, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Diamonddeath, can you please give a reference or a screenshot or something about the appearance in Sonic Tweet? -- Supermorff (talk) 14:48, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I just looked at the card image on this very wiki. I think it was the article for Sonic Tweet. Diamonddeath (talk) 18:09, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I just double checked, and the text on the image is not English. So I guess this is still unconfirmed, but chances are it will be changed to Mecha Sonic if it's ever revisited. Diamonddeath (talk) 18:17, December 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * If and when that happens, we'll rename the page. -- Supermorff (talk) 19:07, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

TOYS
maybe this guy can become a figure? he seems very kid friendly

06 lover